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#76 Re: Interplanetary transportation » The Light Speed Barrier - Is there really a universal speed limit? » 2003-09-01 16:33:38

It's certainly not going to happen with rockets because of the ridiculously enormous reaction mass you'd have to carry and, even with an impossibly-tightly-focused, ground-based laser, the amount of energy you'd have to pump into it to keep accelerating a constantly increasing mass, closer and closer to light speed, would be vastly greater than Earth's entire energy production! You'd need to be able to harness a good proportion of the output of a star, I should think, to achieve your goal.

The energy problem is a sticky one to be sure.  I don't even pretend to believe that laser powered, relativistic light sails are something we could do with current technology, but a laser powered lightsail is about the only thing I can think of that you could keep accelerating at 1g.  Of course if you can generate the power for that laser you could probably use the same energy source in some other fashion to gain the desired velocity.  Does anyone else here fear large scale production of anti-matter?  Knowing its destructive potential I don't think we should develop it, at least on Earth.  Manufacturing accidents and anti-matter weapons could end all life on Earth easily, much more so than traditional nukes.

#77 Re: Interplanetary transportation » The Light Speed Barrier - Is there really a universal speed limit? » 2003-08-31 22:10:52

How do you keep that ship constantly accelerating at one g though?  Maybe some kind of very powerful laser pushed light sail could do it for awhile but I'm not sure about clear out to the center of the galaxy.

#78 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Asteroid Defense - Asteroid Defense » 2003-08-31 22:02:22

Since an asteroid or comet on a collision course with Earth will probably be detected decades if not more in advance of impacting you could just alter its course through more simple methods like changing its color.   Making it darker or lighter will affect its velocity in the long term. You wouldn't necessarily have to 'paint' the whole asteroid.

#79 Re: Not So Free Chat » Appropriate Topics: On War and Politics » 2003-08-31 21:53:53

We haven't learned from history.  We keep making the same mistakes (or perhaps they're intentional) over and over again.  We solve our problems by stirring up the hornets nest.  Does anybody really think that invading Iraq has helped ease the threat of terrorism?  I personally do not.  I believe Iraq will be a victim of devastating terrorist acts for a very long time and that it will turn into a nerve center for terrorist planning and recruitment.  And how do you think the USA and its puppets will solve that mess?  They'll get draconian over the people and piss them off even more which will result in even more sympathy for the terrorists' side.  It's a no win situation!  Maybe I'm getting out of bounds here but I believe G.W. Bush and his fellow neo-con devils will end up being the death of us all if they don't stop invading and threatening to slaughter every country on Earth.  How he still manages to pull high ratings in polls is beyond me.  Now I'll go outside and count to ten.    :angry:

#80 Re: Not So Free Chat » Appropriate Topics: On War and Politics » 2003-08-31 00:38:16

I think it has to be asked what motivates these terrorists to get so angry over America and some of its allies.  I doubt if they hate us just for the sake of hating us, I think they hate us because globalization has been forcing them to swallow values they despise.  Our economic institutions, i.e. transnational corporations, haven't exactly been kind to a lot of these people either.   Biggest and foremost however is America's arrogance in the way it's been carrying out foreign policy which includes subversive and terroristic acts of its own.  Look up the overthrow of Allende in Chile and how the CIA helped install the brutal dictator Pinochet in his place, or how the USA has been sponsoring the indiscriminate spraying of agricultural fields in Colombia that frequently wipe out legitimate crops along with illegal ones. Or how the USA actually aided in the rise of the Taliban and Bin Laden in the Soviet-Afghani war, or how it supported the brutal dictator it 'suddenly' came to hate for being a despotic dicator, Saddam Hussein, in the Iraq-Iran conflict.   This so-called war on the "Free World" was hardly an unprovoked event.

#81 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages, Return of the - A simple question, opinions please » 2003-08-31 00:19:35

From a lyrical and phonetic point of view, I don't understand why Italian would be any more appealing than Portuguese, Spanish, or French.  To be honest though, if someone put a gun to my head and told me to vote on which language I would have to speak on Mars I'd pick the easier of the two to learn since I really have no preference based on other criteria.

#82 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages, Return of the - A simple question, opinions please » 2003-08-30 13:58:56

Which qualities make a language suitable to Mars?  Except for maybe the amount of vocabulary there's really no such thing as a language that's superior to another.  Is Portuguese superior to French?  Is Inuit superior to English?  They're all just flapping of the tongue with a few cultural idiosyncracies thrown in.  Languages adapt to their situation, so I'm sure if some Eskimos got stranded on Mars they'd develop the jargon they need to communicate with each other in no time.  So to get to the point I'd say both Italian and Japanese are equally suitable.

#83 Re: Not So Free Chat » Appropriate Topics: On War and Politics » 2003-08-29 21:18:03

In the real world, nobody educated takes seriously the argument you make, by implication, that islamic fundamentalism is somehow worthy of comparison with liberal democracy. It plainly is not and you know this full well, my machiavellian friend!

I think one has to question though if our method of stamping out radical Islam is really helping.  Bush is making the mistake in thinking he can just shove his western ideologies down the throats of the Iraqi people and they'll just sit back and take it.  And honestly, if I were an Iraqi I'd be pissed off too that some clown felt free to invade my country and appoint officials/puppets over me who don't share my values, but have been empowered to determine my future without any input from me, voting or otherwise.   These types of actions by Bush and his cronies aren't going to stop terrorism, it's going to breed it out of control.  Radical Islam is more charged than ever.

#84 Re: Life support systems » Supercritical CO2 - Useful technology? » 2003-08-28 23:51:12

If the process is as easy as the article mentioned, it seems generating water from the regolith could turn out to be the most beneficial use of hypercritical co2.  It would beat getting out the witching stick to find big reservoirs of water to tap.  Here's the snippet from the article:

Pulling water from rocks will probably have the biggest payoff, at least in the short term, says Debelak. In addition to drinking, "you can split water into hydrogen for fuel, and oxygen for breathing--or as an oxidizer for some sort of engine." Eventually, colonists could set up plants that use CO2 from the martian atmosphere to process hundreds of kilograms of raw material a day.

#85 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can I mooch some free help? - A Mars related question » 2003-08-27 16:16:26

Earlier today I read an article about some soothsayers who think the approach of Mars is a portent of doom for all humanity.  Bill maybe you should have some fortune tellers in your story.  Fortune tellers and Mars go hand in hand.

#86 Re: Human missions » Artifical Gravity design - Ship design to create AG? » 2003-08-27 16:03:53

By the way, a warm welcome to New Mars! You'll have a ball here with some of the discussions.
   Most members are great fun, though quite a few of them are politically right out there on the edge. But don't worry. My politics are perfectly normal and reasonable (thank God), so if there's anything you need to know on that score just ask me! OK?

Don't be scared away by Shaun's political delusions.  Before it's all said and done I'm sure Shaun will come to see the logic of the Green Anarchists and will run with the luddite hordes to burn down every last trace of industrial civilization.  Yes, eventually we'll see Shaun kicking back in animal skins and foraging for wild berries out in the jungle.   Civilization and agriculture are not compatible with freedom!  When will you see the light!   ???

#87 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Should Klingon be an official language? » 2003-08-27 15:45:11

I remember being told once by a histoy teacher that the Romans would execute the family of the engineers, and their decendants, if their civil engineering projects failed.

And some of those old Roman aqueducts are still in use today...

Today they just make you kill yourself by suing you for everything your worth.

#88 Re: Mars Society International » I WANT - MARS » 2003-08-26 20:33:11

The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return.
                                                                   Gore Vidal.

That seems to sum it up.   smile   I was reading a study that people tend to drive faster the wider the road gets.  The so-called 'driving the geometry' theory.  If that's true gov't should ensure that when building new roads the road design doesn't inherently induce people to drive faster than the limit.  Of course knowing the way our illustrious public officials think they'll probably pass some law requiring roads to be superwide for 'safety' reasons and keep the speed limit ridiculously low.  Can't say I'd find it shocking.

#89 Re: Life on Mars » New research paper says - Mars life unlikely » 2003-08-25 15:04:09

Judging from all of the projects he promotes to his assertion of trees on Mars, Clarke seems to be getting bold and controversial in his old age.  Anyhow I thought trees mostly breathed in carbon dioxide and exhaled oxygen.  Maybe I need a biology refresher course along with that chemistry one?  We better tell Shaun to bring more donuts and coffee just in case.  big_smile

#90 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Low Cost rockets being developed - SpaceX - Falcon $6 million dollar rocket » 2003-08-25 14:52:47

Great interview with Elon Musk.  I think we might finally be entering the era of cheaper space access.  I just hope the markets start looking up for this sort of thing.

#91 Re: Water on Mars » H20, where'd it go? - What happened to Marsian water? » 2003-08-25 14:48:50

And one last question: What of the 'snowball comet theory'? What if it's true that Mars (and Earth) are still being pelted with fluffy water-ice mini-comets every day?! This would mean a continual replenishment of water over geological time. How does this affect estimates for early Martian oceans and for how much water is left?

Wouldn't the water in comets that impact Mars mostly evaporate upon impact and when re-entering the atmosphere?  I guess it's possible that some of the comets are big enough to keep thier cores frozen?   You might be interested in reading this depressing article if you haven't already:  New Findings Could Dash Hopes For Past Oceans On Mars    sad

#92 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Rep. Lampson seeks to revive X-38 - Could an X-38 land on Mars? » 2003-08-23 14:39:38

One reservation I have about pilotless war planes is the danger that they'll lower the threshold for war. In other words, with no chance of losing American personnel in aerial warfare, is the U.S. likely to launch attacks more readily, rather than exploring diplomatic solutions?
   Just a thought.

I worry about the same thing.  One thing I've learned from history is that political elites and fanatics with strong agendas have no qualms with imposing their enlightened visions on people regardless of how many people they have to slaughter.  The idea of people like this having whole arsenals of automated 'intelligent' weapons at their disposal doesn't sit well with me either.  And yes I know that early versions of weapons like unmanned fighters will still require a human command to fire but I doubt that will always be the case.

#93 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Rep. Lampson seeks to revive X-38 - Could an X-38 land on Mars? » 2003-08-22 21:42:00

According to a NOVA espisode on the Joint Strike Fighter competition, the F-35 and F-22 are the last manned fighter jets the U.S. military wants to produce.  Apparently the military believes the future belongs to stealthier and more manueverable unmanned planes.

#94 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Two Unrelated Questions » 2003-08-22 01:13:00

*Well, I did encounter quite a few elementary and junior high school math teachers who, when I would ask a question after the lesson, would reply "What did I just tell you?"  They did this to other students as well, of course.  If I knew what they'd just told us, I wouldn't ask!  They would breeze through the lesson, and (it seems) just because Jim Sweers (the brainest guy in the class) could answer any question posed to the class in a few seconds, -lesson over-!  It was discouraging to say the least.

I had a Spanish teacher just like that.  He was this super cranky old man that somehow expected you to magically learn everything the first time around and had no qualms whatsoever about belittling you if he had to re-explain things.  The weirdest part though was how he'd frequently go off on these long lectures on sheep hunting and archaic Spanish words that are no longer used.  I think I learned more about wild sheep than I did Spanish.

Maybe one happy day, we'll all meet up at a Mars Society conference and get that opportunity!
  I'll even buy the coffee!"

*Okay, and I'll buy the doughnuts!

Did somebody mention coffee and donuts?  Hey, I think I could use a refresher or two myself in chemistry.  big_smile

#95 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Fusion - What it Help Us Go to Mars? » 2003-08-21 12:42:41

Since the fuel you need for a fusion reactor can be extracted from water it would probably be easier to produce fuel for it in-situ.  I wish I still had the link, but in the UK they've been experimenting with small fusion reactors and it appears that it might be easier to make fusion work in small reactors as opposed to very big ones.  That could be good news for spacefaring.

#96 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Rep. Lampson seeks to revive X-38 - Could an X-38 land on Mars? » 2003-08-20 16:34:35

Can't say I'm surprised at the inflated price tags.  I've just accepted the cold fact that the government really seems to have no interest in keeping things cheap.  If it did it would learn to put its foot down and say enough it enough.  But of course all these bureacrats and big contractors are in bed with each other.  I'm still wondering where that trillion bucks the pentagon lost is.  Have they looked under the sofa cushions?  Ah the joys of spending other peoples' money.

#97 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries - Extraplanetary, deep space, etc. » 2003-08-19 18:14:15

If the government no longer wants to foot the tab for keeping Hubble alive they should look into donating the thing to another country or institution that would be willing to take over operations until the thing dies.

#98 Re: Not So Free Chat » DARPA Grand Challenge - Ever hear about it? Comments? » 2003-08-19 18:04:04

I have bittersweet feelings about DARPA.  On one hand they're probably the most creative and open minded government agency we have for technology R&D but unfortunately a lot of their work lately focuses on technologies that aren't exactly conducive to the privacy of normal civilians.  All of this Homeland Security nonsense is helping to see to that.

#99 Re: Life on Mars » New research paper says - Mars life unlikely » 2003-08-17 20:45:55

Us conspiracy hounds have already shot down NASA's and the Free Masons' attempt to keep those cities on Mars secret so we know NASA already knows life had existed there.  But just hypothetically speaking, I think NASA would be highly inclined to reveal the discovery of microbial life on MArs since it would spark a lot more public curiosity about Mars and hence more pork for Mars projects.  I could be wrong but judging how unsuccessful the extreme fringe of environmentalism has been in preventing launches of RTGs I don't think the greenies would be a big obstacle.  Also, as you already hinted at, I doubt the secret could be kept for long since a lot of countries apart from the EU and USA such as Japan and China will probably be sending gaggles of probes on their own.  NASA probably wouldn't want to lose the glory of claiming it found life first.   smile


Oh yeah, don't forget about the media circus that was revolving around that Martian meteorite.  I believe the scientists who were working on it were paid by NASA so that should be evidence that NASA isn't out to keep discoveries of unintelligent life secret.   cool

#100 Re: Water on Mars » H20, where'd it go? - What happened to Marsian water? » 2003-08-13 21:14:56

Thanks for the interest in "Ma'adim Lake".
    I think its importance can't be overemphasised because of the implications for Mars' earlier climate. It seems difficult to understand how Dr. Nick Hoffman's "White Mars" hypothesis can get so much publicity, while this enormous paleolake is allowed to fade into obscurity.
    I think there must be an institutionalised  bias against the notion that Mars was once a balmy watery world. As usual in scientific circles, this probably arose because so many "eminences grises' have gone for the cold, dry, lifeless scenario and have created a paradigm which will be hard to dislodge. History is full of similar scientific edifices which have had to be pulled down, painstakingly, brick by brick. This is one of the biggest drawbacks with the scientific method - the human factors of pride and intransigence hampering the principle of objectivity.
    [Oops, sorry ... there I go with the soap-box routine again!!!   big_smile  ]

    Incidentally, I owe you an apology for an error in my reporting of the computer-generated image of Ma'adim Vallis etc.
    The view should be described as "facing south from Gusev toward the lake".
    Sorry!   sad

Shaun are you telling me that all of those teachers I had in school were wrong when they told us younglings that science is nothing but the search for truth and is the perfected form of human reasoning that knows no bias?   My teachers said all scientists strictly adhere to the scientific method and that it is officially bias-proof.  I don't think my sixth grade teacher would have given you very high marks in science.  :;):

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