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yes there's lots of news on this, I wonder if they will accept it as our 10th planet?

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Planet 10 found- Ice planet Sedna discovered

distant relative of mars--?

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The Sol system seems to have an extra planet, number 10 for the Sun, Planet SEDNA orbits 68 AU from the Sun, named Sedna after Inuit goddess of Sea.

[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3511678.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3511678.stm

Ice world at 10,000 million Km from the Sun, found by spitzer space telescope and hubble

[http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co … 98,00.html]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common....00.html

That's a great imagery, the pictures we are getting from Mars are great

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Setting up a Tavern on the Red Planet? Moonshine is a favourite in the old  west, pruno was used in jails, the people save the prunes when get with their meals ferment until it becomes alcohol and they drink it,  Dynamite Whiskey another very popular one, bosrum or bushrum was the Surinamese  illegal type-vodka, Irish old whiskey a strong potato-wine-moonshine Made outta methane nitrates and potatoe husks called poteen,  Icelandic white lightning was another strong one from Europe. Chinese samshu , shorgum and Japanese sake are other favourites. Ingredients are very important, remember that Mars does not have the great comforts of Earth, so try to establish a place where Barley or Yeasts can ferment is going to be a problem. Shipping supplies back and forth to Mars would be too costly

Would a bar catch on in Mars..who knows? Maybe the workers on mars will need a break from their hard work from day to day, build constructions, driving robotics, digging, mapping. The will need to also rest and relax. Setting up a drinking den is going to be hard, will they use billion dollar rocket-fuel to make Martian Vodka? Maybe they will have a thrist, and get fed-up with over-working. Stress and anger and over-working can drive workers crazy. It happened on MIR when the Russian space crew turned off their equipment and refused to talk to the ground Moscow crew for a few days.

A bar on mars would be funny, maybe even become a tourist attraction. But what kind of stuff can they use, and will they go blind from drinking something made from rocket fuel? Maize can be used to make alochol drinks, chicha made from germinated maize. Some of the old fire-water made in the west was made by bartenders, it saved them money instead of buying whiskey and rum from suppliers. Ingredients will be rare, plus there also the danger that measurements will be mixed up like they have been in the past, do we use feet or meters, the british tonne or the American ton, the litres or gallons. Put too much of one thing, large oranges, raisins,  sugar, too much dry yeasts and things will go wrong . Some ingredients of course will be missing crushed rye, starch  crushed barley malt. If they don't know what to put into that plastic martian barrel things will go wrong  and suddenly everyone is getting sick, bad for your mission.

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I have no real idea about the minium requirement but I have read some stuff on this issue, some people say that we would need at least 100,000 KG of equipment, steel, plastics, soils  and other material moved to the planet before naything can happen.Plus of course there isn't enough research and design being done about a future Mars mission, the betting organisations offer 50-to-1 odds against humans landing on Mars before the year 2031.

Mars is a horrid, dry and dead world, but next to the moon it isn't too bad a place for setting up a future base or colony, the people have evidence  of something below the surface. Mars has very thin air and almost no water but it has permafrost under the dust, so there is water below, it just can't exist as a liquid because of the thin light atmosphere.
There are many people who have been looking into how to put life on mars, in some kind of biological mini eco-sphere, much like a greenhouse. There are many articles wrote by the people on main site newmars.com plus there are links to other sites with other ideas.

Is there a way of  getting a few plants, moss or organism to strech their abilities and to adapt to the harsh ground icy conditions in an early mars dome built by robotics? Or maybe we should think of dropping a pre-made dome with our living things onto the mars landscape? NASA is doing great things right now but its cash is low. The lander probes have shown Mars was once a warm and wet planet, suitable for hosting life's origin. Without thinking of the benefits to science, aerospace designs , having a manned mission to Mars will give us other ideas, there are a number of geologists who would love to look for microbes , and tell us the answer, are we alone? But to set such a station up will be an enormous task.

Such we be sending our bio-domes on a test flight to the moon first? Could our best people construct a Super-fish-tank, fill it with gold fish, a tank that could survive in the deepest cold and vacum of outer-space, and other bad conditions. Knowing life, we also know that some alga can live in harsh conditions, fish can survive in depts beneath the cold ices of the artic, things surviving in the Australian sands, and life was growing in an earth billions of years ago, an earth we would think to hostile for life. Shouldn't we be able to make life survive in the darkness of space?

We now have evidence that we are changing the Earth's atmosphere and environment in significant ways. Now it is critical that we understand all our Earths cycle and its environment. We can compare and contrast conditions in our planet systems, something that is very imporant as we increase toxins from our worlds factoris and face the threat of greenhouse gas emissions. Having people on Mars , living,  researching might bring these answers on the cycles of planets and their delicate systems.

To create a self sustaining society on mars migt be easy if we are only going to send a high-tech bio-sphere of fungus to land, live and survive on the planet, but we are not. The people in NASA intend to do something mcuh greater than this, and I hope they can do it because it will benefit mankind greatly.The people who do this will be brave ineed, some have even suggested a one-way ticket to mars! Even this kind of barvery won't solve some of our basic problems, martian radiation levels, the harsh ground, the cold. How can we make plants live in this type of condition. There has already been much research done on mice living in lower gravity, the International Space Station (ISS) has lots of info on the effects of weightlessness on the humanbody plus we can see what light-levels plants and greens need  to grow in space. Mars has other conditions seasons , its levels of sunlight are lower than earths, and dust storms . The photosythesis rates will be much lower plus can the structure of a bio sphere base withstand such stress and conditions?

The first obstacle we must overcome is knowing the martian ground, we must find out if there is any large levels of sub-water below ground on Mars.   If we do find these large trapped layers of underground water on Mars, then the best site(s) for a colony should be identified straightaway. In fact  at least one of the rovers should be doing this job right now, and only this job. Chosing a site for the future people of Mars. The USA could out big money into this,  put man back in outerspace, return to the moon with human explorers by 2020, and possibly as early as 2010 but with the Shuttle grouded after the recent disaster there are now many complications.

Some say we must build a bio-dome on the moon before we go for Mars but the moon has many problems also.  What should we do, pick a deep crater, nicely sized crater/hole and stick a glass roof and solar panles on top and call it our new base? The Moon is a lot nearer but its has many complications even lower gravity, variations in massive heat and real cold. The Moon has several useful elements, including some trapped oxygen; but it is short of hydrogen for water, no good carbon type molecules,  and  a lack of nitrogen which has many uses in industry on Earth, and of course the Moon has no air. Even if the odds are against us building cities on the moon don't bet on it. In the early 1960s, William Hill offered 1,000-to-1 odds against a human landing on the moon before the end of the decade ? and paid out 10,000 pounds in 1969 when David Threlfall won his 10-pound bet.

The Americans and Russians have learned much from the effects of zero gravity, but the space stations like ISS were never self sufficient, food and water had to be trasported back and forth at huge costs. In order for a bse on the moon to survive it must stand alone on its own two feet. Plants and greens must grow and live on a lunar colony, there is also the issue of their pollination , plus of course there will possibly be errors, mishaps or gas leaks like that in our previous space stations.

There are many firms and company now that look into sustainable bio domes and bio spheres. Ones in Canada, Europe, Asia and the US. Some of the results end in disaster others learn lots, but fail early and some continue on. We must push this type of research to its limits. There are companies now doing a
a simulation on Earth of a five person sustainable biospheric life support basedesigned for Mars that can be replicated & extended for additional crews and robotics ( maybe they having been watching the movies? ). We laready know of many  space-systems for water and wastewater recycling, but now they have other issues food production, and air purification for a large group of people. Plus these people will have to work, dig out places, map areas, use their robotics eat their food, live their life in comfort, pave the way for future explorers ( build another base? ) and rest at night. Knowledge gained from the building of such a habitat can be used train future Mars explorers.

The Russians know much about living in space, Europeans have studied in outer space and the US has done some great things. NASA have the best chance of getting us there. We are we very far behind, we don't have the stuff necessary to create a self sustaining society on the Moon or Mars, we have much to do, but don't bet against us. Mankind has built and done wonderous things in the past and will do great things into the future.

Theres politics there also, yes building a base on the moon is going to add more complications to such a mission like Mars but I think the USA might be thinking about political strenght, show its power in desgins, its powerful economy, its areospace, the US might want to go back to the moon before some person from Europe or Russia will go on a manned mission for construction of a lunar camp, and other ideas.

Esperanto? What was the one Europeans made up..was it that Esperanto..a combo and mix-mash of many languages such as french, german , italian...sounds good but would it work?

but who knows, it depends on what type of trade mars has, who works on the planet, what people move there in the future Mars might start speaking Spanish, Chinese, Russian or Arabic? Communication and education will be important for the future of mars, maybe we should send bi-lingual on missions.

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Well done NASA, great images

They should send me, I've had plenty of experience
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/china.htm

A licenced loony moon buggy driver!!

I recall a program, it was like a space encyclopedia on CD-rom called redshifts I think Focus media made it?

You had a star chart that would show you the planets form earth but an extra feature was that you could pick a view of the night sky from the moon and mars.

I'll see if there's a site where you can download something like this.

From the space leaders in NASA

[http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/technology]http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/technology

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