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#501 Re: Unmanned probes » X-37 Goes to Mars » 2024-06-02 11:27:18

Here is another X-40A: Experimental Space Plane That Helped Create the X-37B

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Summary and Key Points: The X-40A was an unmanned space maneuver vehicle, serving as the precursor to the X-37B spaceplane.

-Developed by Boeing's Phantom Works, it was 80-90% the size of the X-37B and was designed to test guidance, control, and landing systems.

-The X-40A conducted several drop tests from a helicopter, starting in 1998, to study its descent and horizontal landing capabilities.

-This testing provided valuable data for the development of the X-37B, which can orbit the Earth for extended periods and return autonomously.

-The X-40A is now displayed at the National Museum of the United States Air Force.
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Meet the X-40A
After the space shuttle retired, it looked like it was the end of the line for vertically-launched and horizontally-landed reusable spacecraft. But the United States actually has an unmanned “mini-space shuttle” called the X-37B that can orbit the earth for up to 780 days. What was the precursor to that spaceplane?

The X-40A provided the impetus for guidance and control during autonomous flight and gliding landings. This allowed the Americans to gain insight and flight experience to optimize the craft that would become the X-37B.

What Was the X-40A’s Mission?
The unmanned X-40A space maneuver vehicle was 80 to 90 percent the size of the X-37B. The craft was tiny – only 22-feet long and 2,600 pounds. It was dropped from a Chinook helicopter at 15,000 feet and then started its descent to land horizontally at Edwards Air Force Base. The X-40A had no engines – it was an aircraft created to study how the software and other internal systems would react to a 75-second free-flight descent and landing.

The craft was built at Boeing’s Phantom Works at Seal Beach, California known for “black projects” and experimental aircraft. The first flight was in 1998 at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The X-40A, made of graphite-epoxy and aluminum, had to learn to land with wind gusts and make sure it didn’t do a face plant on touchdown. It conducted seven other landings under the guidance of NASA starting in 2001.

What Was the X-40A Used For?
The idea behind the X-40A program was to help the United States someday create a spacecraft (the X-37B) that could send out satellites and perform surveillance and logistic duties. The X-40A cost around $1 million to build and the program had $5 million invested in it.

The Difficulty with Reusable Space Planes
The difficult part of a reusable space plane is the size of the cargo payload. It is desirable to cut launch costs so, for example, NASA could spend just $1,000 per pound of cargo instead of $10,000 per pound of cargo. Both the X-40A and X-37B are small crafts. The X-40A had a small payload bay and did not have a capture arm like the Space Shuttle - so that reduced its capabilities.

x-38B
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Also, the X-40A, having only a limited glide mission, could not prepare engineers for what would await the X-37B in space. Would it be cost-effective? Could it be turned around quickly for new flights without having to replace tiles? How flexible and responsive was the X-37B going to be?

All of these questions would come from lessons learned flying the X-37B, but the X-40A had an important role in developing a testbed for gliding and free-falling to land horizontally – the main aspect of having a reusable spaceplane.

You can see the X-40A now at the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

#502 Re: Home improvements » Solar cooking » 2024-06-02 10:33:02

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cooker

People have built quite the variety of products that mostly relly on solar concentrating to bring heat levels up to what is needed to bake and more.
solar dishes are popular
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#503 Home improvements » Solar cooking » 2024-06-02 10:30:17

SpaceNut
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Some areas are going to be easier to use but thermal energy is what is needed.

Wilson solar grill stores the sun's energy for fuel-free grilling every night

Sort of a back yard BBQ .

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Grilled food is undeniably delicious, let it be burgers, chicken, corn on the cob, steak, or something more inventive. During warm weather, it's an enjoyable time to connect with family, neighbors, friends, and old acquaintances.

Unfortunately, our grills are harmful to the environment. Whether you use wood chips, charcoal, or propane, it releases emissions and creates poor air quality. Up until now, solar-powered cookers needed to the sun in order to function, which means that the environment suffers by night and evening barbecues, which, to be honest, is the prime time to have them.

This genius found the perfect solution for us to barbecue without ruining our environment.

Wilson Solar Cookers Without Fuel
MIT professor David Wilson developed a new solar technology that will bring a solar cooker that functions at night. This invention will significantly benefit developing nations who depend on wood for cooking.

Wilson's technology concept harnesses the sun and stores the latent heat for cooking for up to twenty-five hours at temperatures above 450 degrees Fahrenheit. The technology uses a Fresnel lens to hold the sun's energy to melt a container of Lithium Nitrate which acts as a thermal-storing battery for 25 hours at a time. Afterwards, the heat is released for our favorite way to cook outdoors.

"There are a lot of solar cookers out there," Wilson says, "but surprisingly not many using latent-heat storage as an attribute to cook the food." There have been solar cookers, grills, and ovens made before, but they all had to be used during the day to function.

#504 Re: Unmanned probes » X-37 Goes to Mars » 2024-06-02 10:25:53

The other version of a space plane.

NASA's X-34 Spaceplane: A High-Speed Vision Grounded by Reality

In the 1990s, NASA embarked on an ambitious project to develop a low-cost, reusable spaceplane capable of reaching hypersonic speeds. The X-34 spaceplane was designed to achieve Mach 8 and an orbit at 50 miles altitude, featuring advanced technology like GPS navigation, reusable fuel tanks, and automatic landing systems. Despite successful ground tests and captive carry flights, a series of technical issues and cost overruns led to the program’s cancellation in 2001. The X-34 could have revolutionized space access with flights priced at $500,000 each and a payload cost of $1,000 per pound, a stark contrast to the Space Shuttle’s $10,000 per pound.

NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center initiated the X-34 program in 1996, aiming to frequent space more often and inexpensively than the Space Shuttle. The unmanned spaceplane was 58 feet long with a 28-feet wingspan and carried by a Lockheed L-1011 mothership. However, by 2000, it was clear the X-34 was not meeting its ambitious timeline and cost projections. The X-34 faced avionics and auto-landing system challenges, and program reviews indicated significant risks and potential cost overruns.

The two built X-34 prototypes, and the uncompleted third, ended up in increasingly unfortunate circumstances. Initially stored at Edwards Air Force Base’s North Base, they were left in dilapidated hangars exposed to the elements. There were fleeting glimpses of hope for their utilization, such as potential use by the Sierra Nevada Corporation for engine testbeds or display in a museum.

The X-34s briefly found themselves as laser designation practice targets for the Air Force and were later moved around various installations, including Mojave Air and Space Port and NASA’s Armstrong Flight Research Center. Ownership passed from NASA to the Air Force, and in a strange twist, the vehicles eventually landed in a backyard in Lancaster, California.

#505 Home improvements » Building high efficiency space style homes » 2024-06-02 09:45:37

SpaceNut
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One of the ideas floated around for a period of time is to construct homes for earth to gain a means of financial gain. This has been shown to be something that earth people have constructed in the past.

13 Spaceship Homes That Are Out of This World

53 slides of images.

depending on locations and needs features will change.

#506 Re: Terraformation » Are there numerical climate models to simulate Terraforming? » 2024-06-02 09:32:42

We know that mars needs are a thicker atmosphere, but heavy elements will not make it breathable as they will not stay aloft but will sink to the planet's surface.

A higher global field is also required so as to keep it from being blown away.

High altitude membranes tied to support retention is just a means to slow the loss rate.

Adding mass to mars is just another means to a slowed loss rate.

Getting the magnetic core to create a greater field is also something that will be needed long term.

#507 Re: Not So Free Chat » News about 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season Begins » 2024-06-02 09:26:28

You have the ability to create in that space and only some members can post or create within it unless the attributes are changed.

Keep in mind that the suns energy comes in across lots of wavelengths and the red end of the spectrum is heat that gets absorbed in air, water and land. Any energy from the sun needs to be captured before its absorbed by any of these.

#508 Re: Life support systems » Architecture for Sea Level Rise on Earth » 2024-06-01 17:53:32

For a business one must have a state, town or city and last but least the landowner willing to pay the price to keep what they own from vanishing.

Building a seawall costs $25,000 on average, with a wide range between $10,000 and $100,000, depending on the size and type of seawall.

https://www.angi.com/articles/how-much- … eawall.htm

How much does a seawall cost?

$150 – $600 seawall cost per linear foot
$15,000 – $60,000 Average cost to build 100’ seawall

Materials wood, steel, concrete and even others...

#510 Re: Life support systems » Architecture for Sea Level Rise on Earth » 2024-06-01 17:33:12

Now back to the resources required and types.
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nice green lawn.

Normally pile is set then the wall is created.
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#512 Re: Life support systems » Architecture for Sea Level Rise on Earth » 2024-06-01 17:14:04

try each line in the post response until you find the line that is whining.

The Us has many oceans front waters that will be below if it keeps rising.
Maryland Map Shows Where State Could Be Underwater From Sea Level Rise

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Panama prepares to evacuate first island in face of rising sea levels

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Every year, especially when the strong winds whip up the sea in November and December, water fills the streets and enters the homes. Climate change isn't only leading to a rise in sea levels, but it's also warming oceans and thereby powering stronger storms.

The Gunas have tried to reinforce the island’s edge with rocks, pilings and coral, but seawater keeps coming.

#513 Re: Meta New Mars » JoshNH4H Postings » 2024-06-01 16:10:55

Good to see you back and posting,
We have been working to make the website sustainable and are on the learning curve on what it takes.

#514 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Rocket Equation » 2024-06-01 14:51:09

Not sure if I have all of the numbers yet but wanted to see what I could do with stages that are already con structed.

The equation is expressed as: Δv = Ve * ln (Mi/Mf)

Natural log IN
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Where:
Δv = velocity change of the rocket
Ve = exhaust velocity of the propellant
Mi = initial mass of the rocket (including propellant)
Mf = final mass of the rocket (after propellant is expelled)

Falcon 9 first stage modified for ssto.
Mass (without propellant)[39]    22,200 kg (48,900 lb)
Mass (with propellant)    433,100 kg (954,800 lb)
Liquid oxygen tank capacity 287,400 kg (633,600 lb)
Kerosene tank capacity 123,500 kg (272,300 lb)
Payload fairing      1,700 kg (3,700 lb)

Thrust (stage total)[4]    7,607 kN (1,710,000 lbf) (sea level)
Specific impulse    Sea level: 282 seconds

Propulsion models (Vex = 9.80667*Isp/1000)    2.76548094
MR = 433,100 kg / 22,000 kg = 19.6863
Rocket equation (reversed as MR = exp(dV/Vex))
Δv = 2.76548094 * 2.97992296  = 8.24092

#515 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » SSTO Engine Technology » 2024-06-01 14:40:16

I began to wonder if the Falcon first stage with modifications would be capable of a single stage to orbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9_Full_Thrust

Mass (without propellant)[39]    22,200 kg (48,900 lb)
Mass (with propellant)    433,100 kg (954,800 lb)
Liquid oxygen tank capacity 287,400 kg (633,600 lb)
Kerosene tank capacity 123,500 kg (272,300 lb)
Payload fairing      1,700 kg (3,700 lb)

Thrust (stage total)[4]    7,607 kN (1,710,000 lbf) (sea level)
Specific impulse    Sea level: 282 seconds[

#516 Re: Life support systems » Architecture for Sea Level Rise on Earth » 2024-06-01 14:27:11

We have had another chunk of ICE brake off the ice shelf of Antartica to which it will not be3 the last as we continue to have temperatures rise.
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Even teh everglases will disappear
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Venice attempts
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#518 Re: Human missions » Boeing Starliner OFT-2 » 2024-06-01 10:52:23

Well Boeing was indicating to Nasa that launch was a bad idea due to the leak. So, the outcome of trying did not change the providers stance to not launch.

#519 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Why the Green Energy Transition Won’t Happen » 2024-06-01 10:50:29

One of nation's largest solar projects nears completion in old coal mining town — here's how it will usher in a new energy era

Xcel Energy's huge solar and energy-storage facility in Becker, Minnesota, is getting closer to completion — and it's set to start pumping out power this fall, Canary Media reported.

Like many exciting energy projects that have recently been finished or are in development, the Sherco facility is being built on the former site of a coal-powered power plant. Coal produces toxic, heat-trapping air pollution when burned, so many states are shutting down their coal plants.

#520 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » 500 passenger safety use requirements » 2024-06-01 10:28:24

Hamock do not make sense.95aa092a-9189-4362-a305-da9549de4df0_4.8f6714d45bf29116fc6f6c5f2230fb5c.jpeg

But the low gravity seat seems to be more to the use that space x has been using.

Here is the EVA suits that we will require even if hopefully not used.
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#521 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » 500 passenger safety use requirements » 2024-06-01 07:52:58

https://www.faa.gov/headquartersoffices … dimensions

One can assume that mass will alter seating as compared to that of an airplane.
https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/handbook/00-12_apC.pdf

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This is too heavy for use.

current space x crew seats
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Airbus A380 is approved to hold 853 passengers and 20 crew, and has an interior volume of 550 square meters of floor space (if you assume 2m height, that's 1100 cubic meters). The Starship will have 1100 cubic meters of volume, unclear on how much is usable.

starship interior

If we go with a rough weight estimate for 100 people + Suitcases + Seats + Floor to carry them would maybe be 250 kg per person in mass. Which would in that case mean 25t total 'payload' compared to and empty Starship upper stage.

This means we are max payload with no safety margin for anything else if payload is exceeded.

#522 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2024-05-31 15:10:14

Trumps own history is to outrun the time limits and appeals process hoping to get his way to settle out of court never to face the real law that he did break.

Has Biden broken law or policy during his term? Possibly both and I want neither for another term in office.

#523 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » Vertical Launch Assist Technologies for SSTO » 2024-05-31 15:05:26

We did talk about the aircraft carrier launch system that was steam powered but also of the electrical version and of a sled as well.

Along with the launch cannon barrels and others in the past.

electromagnetic launch with microwave propulsion

#524 Single Stage To Orbit » 500 passenger safety use requirements » 2024-05-31 15:02:54

SpaceNut
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tahanson43206 wrote:

Life Support Systems: The document doesn't detail the life support systems for 500 passengers. A detailed analysis of the required systems and their mass and volume is necessary.

Risk and Failure Modes: A comprehensive risk and failure mode analysis should be conducted to identify potential vulnerabilities and mitigation strategies.

Overall, the design specifications for the SSTO spacecraft appear well-considered and technically sound. However, further detailed analysis and engineering studies are recommended before finalizing the design and proceeding with development.

Good question as the passengers needs to be on the ship for the chase, orbital use and the descent before it can be reused after resupplying the ship with the need goods and made ready once more.

Safety is a prime goal for any ship delivering crews to orbit, work while on orbit and during the landing.

Seats are part of that safety mass, maybe overhead luggage storage if not being packed up, maybe space like suits with helmet, Seats are most likely adjustable and would have more plug in capabilities for monitoring the persons vitals during launch and descent. Part of that life support requires food, water ect for any crew use period.

#525 Re: Unmanned probes » MARCO POLO/Mars Pathfinder » 2024-05-30 19:26:04

Seems that the lander was dropped and only lab equipment development was to be done as indicate in one of the pdf files 2012....

https://marspapers.org/paper/Muscatello_2013_pres.pdf

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