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The spiral Ziggurat is a structure that would pile the berm msterial around the dome.
That mean counter compression is not the same externally for the shape of the domes upward pressure rise for the internal shape.
Building a dome on Mars using local soil to create bricks is a feasible concept being actively researched by scientists and engineers. Bricks made from compressed Martian soil simulant have been found to be stronger than steel-reinforced concrete, potentially exceeding the specified Grade A brick 125 N/mm² strength requirement.
Martian Brick Strength
Material: Martian soil (regolith) contains iron oxide nanoparticles which act as a natural binding agent under high pressure.Method:
A simple high-pressure compression method (like a blow from a hammer) can create sturdy bricks without needing an oven or additional binding agents from Earth. Other research explores using bacteria and urea or molten sulfur as binders.Strength:
Compressed Martian soil bricks have a compressive strength comparable to or even greater than steel-reinforced concrete (average adobe bricks have a much lower strength of 250-300 psi or 1.7-2.0 N/mm²). The specified 125 N/mm² (equivalent to approximately 18,129 psi) is an extremely high "Grade A" strength, which may be achievable or exceeded with these advanced composite materials/methods.Dome Construction and Soil Usage
Dome Feasibility:
Domes are a potential structure for human habitats on Mars, but they must be able to withstand the low external atmospheric pressure, internal positive pressure, and harsh environment (radiation, micrometeoroids).Construction Method:
The compression method is compatible with additive manufacturing (3D printing), where layers of soil are compacted to build a structure.Radiation Shielding:
10 tonnes of soil can provide significant radiation shielding. Habitats are likely to be built underground or covered with a thick layer of regolith to protect inhabitants from intense radiation. A depth of around 3-4 meters (or more to be safe) of rock/soil is needed to completely react out the pressure load and provide necessary shielding for a pressurized habitat.
In essence, using Martian soil to create extremely strong bricks for a protective dome is considered a promising strategy for future Martian settlements, as it drastically reduces the amount of material that would need to be transported from Earth
A counter pressure is generally not how an internal atmosphere in a Martian dome would be contained. The force from an internal, human-habitable atmosphere on Mars is immense (around 10 tonnes per square meter), meaning the structure needs sufficient mass and design to resist this tension and prevent it from being lifted off its foundations. The most practical engineering approach for a dome made of Martian regolith bricks involves using the weight of the material itself (or an external regolith covering) to counteract the internal pressure differential.
Internal Pressure Requirements
Mars's Atmospheric Pressure:
The external atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is extremely low, averaging only about 0.6 kilopascals (kPa), which is less than 1% of Earth's sea-level pressure. It is effectively a near-vacuum from an engineering perspective.Human Habitable Pressure:
A human habitat requires a total internal pressure of at least 25 kPa with sufficient oxygen partial pressure to be functional without a pressure suit, or full Earth-equivalent pressure of 101.3 kPa (1 atm) for a standard environment.Pressure Differential:
The critical engineering challenge is the 100+ kPa pressure differential between the inside of the dome and the outside Martian atmosphere. This creates a massive outward and upward force on the structure.Structural Considerations for Regolith Domes
Tension vs. Compression:
Domes on Earth are compression structures, meaning their shape naturally handles the force of their own weight pushing down. On Mars, the low gravity and high internal pressure put the dome under tension, trying to tear it apart and lift it from its foundations.Material Limitations:
Regolith bricks, even advanced "StarCrete" or sintered versions with high compressive strength (up to 72 MPa), have lower tensile strength. Standard bricks and concrete perform poorly in tension.Design Solution: Weight and Reinforcement:
The primary method to manage the internal pressure is to use a thick layer of regolith as shielding/ballast.
Proposals often suggest using an internal inflatable bladder or a strong internal shell (perhaps with steel or carbon fiber reinforcement) to contain the air.This internal structure is then buried under several meters of Martian soil/bricks. The sheer weight of this external material provides the necessary "counter pressure" by pushing down and counteracting the upward lift from the internal atmosphere.
In short, the counter pressure is not an engineered force applied externally but rather the passive mass of significant regolith shielding used to anchor the structure to the ground.
The value of 10 tonnes per square meter is commonly used in discussions about Mars colonization, but it refers to two different concepts:
Earth's Atmospheric Pressure:
The pressure of Earth's atmosphere at sea level is approximately 10 tonnes of force per square meter (or about 100 kPa). This immense force is a key engineering challenge for designing habitats on Mars. Structures would need high tensile strength to contain a standard Earth-like atmosphere while resisting this outward pressure.Radiation Shielding Mass:
Around 10 tonnes of material (such as Martian soil or regolith) per square meter of surface area is considered sufficient for complete shielding from cosmic rays and solar radiation for a Mars habitat. This would require burying a habitat under several meters of soil (e.g., about 6.67 meters if the soil density is 1.5 tonnes per cubic meter).The actual atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is much lower, varying with elevation and season but averaging around 600 Pascals (Pa), which is less than 0.1 tonnes of force per square meter (about 0.6% of Earth's sea-level pressure). This pressure is far too low for humans to survive without a pressure suit.
Martian sand grain sizes vary, with most active sand being very fine, around 50–150 micrometers, but coarser grains up to 500 micrometers or more are found in specific bedforms like coarse-grained ripples. The soil also contains dust particles smaller than this, and some inactive areas have a surface layer of much larger, dust-covered grains.
Fine sand
Dominant size:
The most common size for active sand is very fine, typically between 50–150 micrometers.Location:
This size is abundant in the troughs and on the surface of active ripples and other wind-blown features.Color:
The fine sand is often reddish due to the presence of iron oxides.
Coarser grainsSize:
Coarser grains can reach up to 500 micrometers and sometimes even larger, occasionally up to 1.4 mm or more.Location:
These larger grains are found on the crests of coarse-grained ripples and can be found on inactive bedforms.
Appearance: They may be reddish or whitish and have irregular shapes, suggesting they are formed from the erosion of local bedrock.Other particle sizes
Dust:
A significant amount of dust, much smaller than sand grains, is also present. It can mix with the sand or form a thin layer on top of other features.Gravel:
In certain areas, such as crater rims, gravel-sized particles (diameters above 2 mm) have been observed
Martian atmospheric dust grains are fine, typically with an effective radius of about \(1-3\mu m\) in diameter, though this can vary. During dust storms, larger particles can be lifted, temporarily increasing the effective radius to over \(4\mu m\) before returning to seasonal averages. The size distribution of atmospheric dust is a fundamental component of Mars's climate. Typical sizes
Average diameter:
Martian dust is fine-grained, with an average diameter of about \(1-3\mu m\).Effective radius:
The atmosphere typically supports dust with an effective radius near \(1.5\mu m\). Variations and dust stormsDust storms:
The effective radius can increase to over \(4\mu m\) during major dust events, when larger particles are freshly lifted and transported.Seasonal changes:
During low dust times, the effective radius may be closer to \(1\mu m\), while during higher dust times in spring and summer, it can be up to \(2\mu m\).Vertical distribution:
Studies show that dust particles have an effective radius of \(1.0\mu m\) over much of the atmospheric column, with little variation by height.Significance Climate impact:
The presence of micrometer-sized dust in the atmosphere is a fundamental component of Mars's climate, affecting the planet's water content.Sedimentation:
Dust particles are not suspended permanently and are continuously removed from the atmosphere through sedimentation, which is evident from the degradation of solar panels on landers
Seem the crash of 2005 took out quite a few posts with the following one for 2008 through 2011 until we got James for administrator.
That is why I started the wiki companion format for topics that should be more than just discusion.
Through it seems that this has failed due to this being more of a discusion forum it would seem.
Starlink satellites are falling daily, worrying Musk
Elon Musk’s Starlink network was built to blanket the planet with low-cost internet, but a growing number of its satellites are now falling back to Earth every single day. As I look at the data and the scientists raising alarms, the story is no longer just about connectivity—it is about whether the world is sleepwalking into a new kind of environmental and safety risk in the sky.
The scale of the Starlink project means that even a small design trade-off can have global consequences once multiplied by thousands of spacecraft. With experts warning that deorbiting satellites are already altering the upper atmosphere and could threaten aircraft and people on the ground, Musk faces a new set of worries that can’t be solved with launch capacity alone.Starlink’s rapid growth meets a new kind of gravity
When I step back and look at Starlink’s trajectory, the sheer speed of its expansion is staggering: thousands of satellites launched in just a few years, with plans for tens of thousands more. That aggressive cadence has turned low Earth orbit into a dense shell of hardware, and now the return journey—those satellites falling back down—is starting to define the next phase of the story. Earlier this year, reporting showed that up to four Starlink units are in the process of reentering the atmosphere on any given day, a rate that transforms what might have been a rare event into a routine part of the global environment.
What makes this shift so striking to me is that the falling hardware is not a surprise glitch but a built-in feature of the system: the satellites are designed to operate for only a few years before burning up in the atmosphere. A detailed analysis of the constellation noted that the spacecraft are intentionally placed in low Earth orbit so they will naturally decay and disintegrate rather than linger as debris, yet that same design choice means the planet is now being showered with a steady stream of artificial material. One investigation into how Starlink satellites are falling to Earth daily underscored that this constant turnover is happening at the same time as more and more units are being sent to orbit, raising questions about how sustainable the model really is.Daily reentries and the warning from space experts
As I dug into the numbers, the idea that “a satellite fell somewhere” stopped feeling like a rare headline and started to look like a daily background condition. Spaceflight specialists now estimate that up to four Starlink satellites are in some stage of orbital decay at any moment, each one gradually spiraling down until it hits the thicker layers of the atmosphere and breaks apart. That means dozens of reentries every month, and because the constellation is spread around the globe, the fallout is distributed over many regions rather than confined to a single corridor.The concern I hear from experts is not just about the spectacle of streaks in the sky but about what those streaks are made of. One space analyst described how the satellites’ aluminum and other metals vaporize as they burn, injecting material into the upper atmosphere that was never there in such quantities before. In a focused warning that Starlink Satellites Keep Falling, a Space Expert Warns that this daily rain of debris is happening at the same time as more satellites are being launched, creating a feedback loop where the more Musk builds his network, the more material ends up burning in the sky.
Scientists flag environmental risks in the upper atmosphere
What troubles me most is how quickly the conversation has shifted from abstract orbital mechanics to concrete environmental impacts. Earlier this year, Scientists documented that 120 Starlink satellites fell from space in a single month, a figure that turns the upper atmosphere into a kind of industrial exhaust pipe. Each disintegrating spacecraft releases metallic vapour as it burns, and researchers are now trying to understand how that plume interacts with ozone chemistry, cloud formation, and the delicate balance of radiation that keeps the climate stable.In their warnings, Scientists have emphasized that the satellites are designed to burn fully, leaving no large debris to hit the ground, but that doesn’t mean they vanish without a trace. Instead, the material is redistributed as fine particles and gases at high altitude, where it can linger and potentially alter atmospheric processes in ways we are only beginning to quantify. A detailed report on how failing Starlink satellites worry scientists highlighted that 120 fell in Jan and that the environmental risks from this metallic vapour are not yet fully understood, underscoring how Musk’s orbital strategy is now entangled with planetary-scale questions.
Avi Loeb’s “new threat from the sky” and the numbers behind it
Among the voices pushing this issue into the mainstream, astrophysicist Avi Loeb has been unusually blunt, describing Musk’s falling satellites as a “new threat from the sky.” When I read his comments, what stands out is not alarmism but a sober recognition that the system is working exactly as designed: the satellites have an average lifespan of about five years, after which they are expected to reenter and burn up. Loeb has argued that this predictable churn means we can no longer treat each reentry as an isolated event; instead, we need to think of it as a continuous industrial process happening overhead.Loeb’s concerns have been amplified by coverage that tracks how quickly the reentry rate is rising. One report by Zach Kaplan noted on Oct 10, 2025, and then Updated on Oct 11, 2025, that the number of satellites falling back to Earth could rise by 61% each year if current launch plans continue, a projection that turns today’s daily reentries into tomorrow’s constant shower. That same analysis pointed out that 37 satellites had already come down in a recent period, illustrating how fast the tally can climb. In that context, Loeb’s description of Elon Musk’s falling satellites as a “new threat from the sky” is less a rhetorical flourish than a summary of the math, and it is why I link his warning directly to the data on Elon Musk’s Starlink satellites falling to Earth.
Design choices: five-year lifespans and complete burn-up
From a purely engineering standpoint, I can see why SpaceX opted for short-lived satellites that burn up completely. By giving each Starlink unit a lifespan of about five years and placing it in low Earth orbit, the company reduces the long-term risk of dead hardware clogging space and triggering catastrophic collisions. The idea is that when a satellite fails or reaches the end of its mission, atmospheric drag will eventually pull it down, where it disintegrates before any large fragments can reach the surface.The trade-off, however, is that this design pushes the environmental burden from orbital debris to atmospheric pollution. A detailed account of how Starlink satellites have a lifespan of about five years explains that they are specifically designed to burn up completely in the Earth’s atmosphere, with some researchers warning that the resulting particles could contribute to warming the atmosphere. In other words, Musk has solved one problem—space junk—by creating another, and the question now is whether regulators and scientists can keep up with the pace of his design decisions.
“Already falling” and why the trend will only accelerate
When I compare early Starlink launches to the current phase, the most striking change is how normal falling satellites have become. SpaceX’s orbital internet fleet is no longer a static constellation; it is a conveyor belt, with new units going up as older ones come down. Analysts tracking the orbits have concluded that the satellites are already falling out of low Earth orbit at an increasingly alarming rate, and that the trend is baked into the architecture of the system rather than being a temporary glitch.Some observers have gone further, arguing that the pattern of failures and reentries points to a design problem as much as a planned lifecycle. They note that as the constellation grows, even small reliability issues can translate into dozens of extra reentries each year, compounding the environmental and safety concerns. A close look at how Starlink satellites are already falling suggests that the rate will only get worse as more spacecraft are added, raising the possibility that Musk will have to revisit core design choices if he wants to keep the system politically and environmentally viable.
Balancing global internet access with risks from above
For all the worry, I don’t want to lose sight of why Starlink exists in the first place. In remote villages, disaster zones, and war-torn regions, the network has become a lifeline, delivering broadband where fiber and cell towers either never existed or have been destroyed. That humanitarian and economic upside is real, and it explains why governments and consumers have been willing to tolerate a certain level of orbital clutter and reentry risk in exchange for connectivity that would otherwise be out of reach.The challenge for Elon Musk now is that the trade-offs are becoming harder to ignore as the numbers climb. With up to four satellites falling toward Earth on any given day, 120 recorded in a single month, and projections that the reentry rate could rise by 61% each year, the burden of proof is shifting: it is no longer enough to say the satellites burn up harmlessly. As I weigh the evidence from Oct 8, 2025, Oct 9, 2025, Oct 10, 2025, and Feb 6, 2025, and read experts like Loeb warning that Starlink’s falling hardware represents a new threat from the sky, it is clear that Musk’s next big challenge is not just launching more satellites—it is convincing the world that the daily rain of metal and vapour above our heads will not come back to haunt us on the ground.
Blue Origin Lands New Glenn Stage at Sea, Escalating SpaceX Rivalry
Could a single rocket landing redefine the balance of power in commercial spaceflight? Blue Origin’s New Glenn has just completed its first operational mission, delivering a payload to low-Earth orbit and returning its first stage to a drone ship matching capability that, until now, belonged exclusively to SpaceX.
The mission carried NASA’s ESCAPADE twin satellites, Blue and Gold, which Rocket Lab built to study how Mars lost its atmosphere. Each spacecraft, roughly the size of a copy machine, will fly in tandem around the Red Planet to capture a stereo view of how the solar wind strips away atmospheric particles. This dual-satellite approach, enabled by miniaturization trends in spacecraft engineering, offers redundancy and higher data resolution while keeping mission costs to a modest $80 million.
New Glenn’s success is rooted in years of engineering development. The rocket stands at 320 feet, nearly a third taller than SpaceX’s Falcon 9, and can lift up to 45 tons to low-Earth orbit almost double Falcon 9’s capacity. Its BE-4 engines, fueled by liquid natural gas and liquid oxygen, power a first stage designed for at least 25 reuses. In returning to the drone ship Jacklyn positioned 375 miles offshore, precise guidance, navigation, and control systems were needed to manage reentry dynamics, aerodynamic loads, and landing leg deployment on a moving platform.
Recovery of drone ships for orbital-class rockets is a complicated choreography: Jacklyn’s station-keeping thrusters hold position against ocean currents, while onboard tracking systems guide the descending booster onto a reinforced landing pad. This capability enables recovery from missions without fuel margin for a return-to-launch-site landing, increasing operational flexibility while lowering per-launch costs.
The destination of the payload adds another layer of technical achievement-the planet Mars. ESCAPADE will follow an innovative trajectory, first traveling to the Sun-Earth L2 Lagrange point to collect solar data before slingshotting back past Earth for a gravity assist toward Mars. This route reduces propellant mass to about 65% of the spacecraft’s total, compared to the 80-85% typical for direct transfers, and offers more flexible departure windows than the traditional Hohmann transfer.
While this mission demonstrated New Glenn’s orbital delivery and sea-based recovery, the next challenge for Blue Origin will be the Blue Moon Mark 1 lunar lander. The uncrewed Mk.1 will be powered by BE-7 engines burning liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen and is designed to take cargo to the surface of the Moon on a single New Glenn flight. Already, the company is stacking the aft, mid and forward modules of the Mk.1 in Florida in preparation for thermal vacuum testing at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. Future variants, such as the crewed Mk.2 lander, would need orbital refueling via a Lunar Transporter technology which will require mastery of cryogenic propellant storage and transfer in space.
hat development comes as NASA has reopened its Artemis 3 Human Landing System contract, which awarded a noncompetitive contract to SpaceX over a year ago, due to delays in the Starship program. The over-50-meter-tall Starship HLS must still demonstrate orbital propellant transfer, targeted now for 2026, before carrying astronauts to the lunar surface. Blue Origin is positioning itself as a credible alternative with its proven New Glenn launch vehicle and advancing lunar lander program.
From a manufacturing standpoint, scaling reusable rocket operations will be crucial. The SpaceX Falcon 9 has executed a high operational tempo with its 516 landings and 484 reflights to date. To compete with SpaceX on price and cadence, Blue Origin must first ramp up production of New Glenn first stages, refine refurbishment workflows, and integrate rapid turnaround processes. The economics of reusability depend on minimizing inspection and repair cycles without compromising safety-an engineering challenge that will define the next phase of this rivalry.
With New Glenn’s first operational mission complete, Blue Origin has moved from proof-of-concept to active competitor. The ability to deliver payloads to orbit and recover boosters at sea is no longer a SpaceX monopoly, with implications for launch pricing, government contracts, and deep space missions that are immediate. We’ve entered a new era in the reusable rocket market, one in which the contest for dominance will be fought not just in the skies, but in the engineering labs and production lines that make these feats possible.
Leaked Document Shows Elon Musk’s SpaceX Will Miss Moon Landing Deadline. Here's What To Know
According to the original Artemis plan, we should have already put people on the Moon. Artemis III should have gone and come back by now. Instead, it is currently tentatively scheduled for no earlier than mid-2027. However, the mission is almost certain to be delayed again. The reason for the delay lies with SpaceX's Starship rocket: a leaked memo states that the vehicle won’t be ready until mid-2028, at least.
During the first Trump administration, the mission to bring humans back to the Moon was christened Artemis. It was going to involve the already-in-construction Space Launch System (SLS) and Orion capsule, as well as a privately built Human Landing System. Orion and SLS were tested with Artemis I in 2022.The original selection for the Human Landing System spacecraft was SpaceX's then-planned Starship. This actually created legal troubles for NASA. Jeff Bezos’s Blue Origin, a rival space company, filed a complaint in federal court against NASA, escalating its original complaint that NASA unfairly awarded the lunar lander contract to Elon Musk’s SpaceX.
At the time, the legal trouble seemed to be a major delaying factor. Issues with the spacesuit designs and problems with the heatshield of Orion added to the delays of both crewed missions: Artemis II, which will launch next year and travel around the Moon, and Artemis III, the mission that is going to bring the first woman and first person of color to the surface of the Moon. The next Moon landing was first envisioned to happen in 2024, then this year, and then it was postponed to next year. At the end of 2024, a mid-2027 date was put down, which remains the currently agreed target.
Before that agreement, an analysis published over a year ago by the US Government Accountability Office was skeptical that it would be possible to make that date, and posited it would be pushed to 2028. The major delaying factor now is Starship. The vehicle suffered multiple explosions this year. Despite the most recent successes, the vehicle is well behind schedule to safely carry astronauts from lunar orbit to the Moon's surface and back.
A few weeks ago, acting NASA administrator Sean Duffy went on TV to announce that the space agency was open to other companies to provide a lunar landing system. “[SpaceX and Musk] push their timelines out, and we’re in a race against China,” Duffy told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” at the time. “So, I’m going to open up the contract. I’m going to let other space companies compete with SpaceX.”
The only company that is ready to compete is Blue Origin. The company has not been advertising what they have been doing with their Blue Moon human lander, but it is expected that an actual space test will happen in the first half of next year. Blue Moon is supposed to be delivered in 2030 for Artemis V
Elon Musk did not take the news of NASA shopping around well. He turned to social media to post school-yard insults regarding Duffy (called him “Sean Dummy”) and wrote that: “The person responsible for America's space program can't have a 2-digit IQ.” Duffy retorted that “great companies shouldn’t be afraid of a challenge.”
In the leaked memo reported by Audrey Decker at Politico, SpaceX will be ready to land humans on the Moon in September 2028, more than a year after the mid-2027 goal of NASA. Before that, Starship needs to demonstrate in-space refueling, currently scheduled for June 2026, and an uncrewed landing on the Moon in June 2027.
To make that schedule work, nothing can go wrong. While Starship has achieved certain success as defined by the specific tests from SpaceX, it has yet to demonstrate the capabilities of flying to space and landing back on Earth safely. To state the obvious, a safe landing is the crucial part of a Lunar Human landing system.
NASA’s plans for the Moon missions continue to shift. The Trump administration’s budget has proposed canceling SLS, Orion, and the Lunar Gateway – the next-gen international space station currently under construction to replace the ISS – that is supposed to orbit the Moon to help facilitate both Moon landings nd further space travel. The administration's goal is to rely more on commercial partners, but it's an ever-changing race which ones they will be.
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Just FYI ... I have tried to bring up bedrock, but so far I haven't seen any mention of the importance of setting the base of a massive building on bedrock. At present, we humans have very limited ability to know where bedrock is on Mars. There may be some data collected by satellites that could be helpful, but I'll bet no one has sifted that data looking for bedrock.
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The depth of Martian bedrock varies, with the crust reaching up to \(23\) miles (\(37\) kilometers) in some areas and potentially being multi-layered, while the shallow subsurface is about \(200\) meters (\(656\) feet) deep in certain plains. The deepest bedrock layers can be up to \(37\) kilometers thick and contain water in some regions, with a shallow sedimentary layer sandwiched between solidified lava flows just below the surface.
Crustal and shallow subsurface depth Crust:
The overall thickness of Mars' crust is estimated to be between \(12\) miles (\(20\) kilometers) and \(23\) miles (\(37\) kilometers), depending on the number of sub-layers it has.Shallow subsurface: Studies of plains like Elysium Planitia have revealed a shallow subsurface about \(200\) meters (\(656\) feet) deep, which includes a layer of basaltic rock (cooled lava flows) and an intermediate layer of low seismic velocity.Layered subsurface:
The shallow subsurface is not a single layer of bedrock but appears to be multi-layered, with a sedimentary layer between lava flows in some locations. Deeper bedrock and water Deepest crust: The deepest parts of the crust are estimated to be as deep as \(23\) miles (\(37\) kilometers).Water in the crust:
Some models suggest that the mid-crust, around \(10\)-\(20\) kilometers (\(6\)-\(12\) miles) deep, may be porous and cracked, with enough water to form a global ocean \(1\)-\(2\) kilometers deep if collected.Other depths Surface layers:
The very top layer of the crust (first \(5\) meters) is thought to be a porous granular material, while the next layer down, from \(5\)-\(180\) meters, could be porous volcanic/sedimentary rock or consolidated volcanic rock.Polar deposits:
In the polar regions, layered deposits of CO2 and water ice extend to a depth of \(1\) kilometer (\(0.6\) miles).Bedrock on Mars generally refers to the underlying solid rock of the planet's crust, which varies significantly in depth depending on location and local geology.
The Bedrock Depth on Mars
Varies by location: The depth to bedrock can be very shallow in some areas, potentially just a few meters or less from the surface, especially in specific crater rims or outcrops.
Deep in other areas: In other regions, particularly where significant layers of regolith (soil and loose rock) have accumulated, the bedrock may be much deeper.
Crustal Thickness: The overall Martian crust (which is all bedrock) ranges in thickness from about 6 to 30 miles (10 to 50 kilometers). Data from the NASA InSight mission at its landing site suggested the crust was approximately 20 kilometers or 39 kilometers thick in two potential layers.
Scientists study the depth and composition of the bedrock using data from orbiters, landers, and rovers, which employ tools like ground-penetrating radar, cameras, and drills to analyze the surface and subsurface
Found the oth4r topic which is related Buried geodesic domes
I was not adocating for the use of Rebar but we may need to think about a substitute.
here is the brick types that are currently employed in building.
Class A construction bricks are a type of engineering brick known for their high compressive strength and low water absorption. These durable bricks, often called Staffordshire Blues, are used in demanding civil and commercial projects requiring extreme resistance to water and frost, such as retaining walls, sewers, and tunnels.
They have a compressive strength of over \(125N/mm^{2}\) and a water absorption rate of less than 4.5%.
Characteristics and specifications Compressive Strength:
Greater than \(125N/mm^{2}\) (approximately over \(18,000\) psi).Water Absorption: Less than 4.5%.
Composition:
Typically made from clay that is fired at very high temperatures to create a dense, strong, and non-porous material.
Appearance:
Often a dark blue color due to the high-temperature firing process, though other colors may be available. Aesthetics are less important than their physical properties.Common applications
Below-ground structures exposed to high moisture and frost.
Retaining walls.
Sewer systems.
Manholes.
Tunnels.
Damp proof courses.
Severe exposure applications and contrasting detailing in brickworkClassification/Grade: Class A construction bricks
Key Properties:
[] Compressive Strength: High (typically around 125 N/mm²)
[] Water Absorption: Low (typically less than 4.5%)
Typical Applications:
[] Structural applications
[] Foundations
[] Tunnels
[] Below-ground work
There is no established "Class A" construction brick for Mars, but scientists are developing several promising alternatives to build habitats using in-situ resources. These methods include using Martian soil (regolith) compacted under pressure, with iron oxide acting as a natural binder, or creating binding agents from organic materials like potato starch, or through synthetic biology with biominerals and fungal mycelium.
Methods for creating Mars bricks
Compacted Martian soil:
Researchers have found that Martian soil simulant, when compacted under pressure alone, can form durable, strong bricks.
The iron oxide in the soil acts as a natural binding agent, and the bricks are reportedly stronger than steel-reinforced concrete.
This method is compatible with additive manufacturing, where layers of soil are compacted to build structures.
Starcrete (starch-based binder):
A material called Starcrete uses potato starch, salt, and Martian soil as a binding agent.
This method allows for the on-site production of building materials, avoiding the need to transport them from Earth.
It is stronger than regular concrete.
Biomineralization:
This method uses self-growing blocks created by agents like cyanobacteria and fungi to produce biominerals (e.g., calcium carbonate) and biopolymers.
These agents bind the regolith particles together to form building materials.
This is a "living bricks" concept where the materials are self-creating and require no human input for production, as discussed in SciTechDaily.
Other binding agents:
Scientists have also explored using protein from blood as a binder for Martian soil, similar to a concrete, as described in Stanford University's news.
Research has been conducted on using human blood, urine, and feces to create construction materials.
Sulfur cement and other types of cement substitutes are also being considered for use on Mars.
Key takeaway
While no official "Class A" designation exists, the primary goal is to use in-situ resources to create a sustainable building material for Mars habitats, with many different methods being explored and developed by researchers worldwide
For walls that are on earth the bricks are limited to just about 15 m height without rebar in them with concrete as the binder to hold a wall upright.
This will not only need lots of trial and error just to get a process for any design.
I believe musk was wanting to use them in orbit to control global warming a few months ago.
I have 20 sheets of this product Advantech 23/32 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. T&G OSB Underlayment Panel and additional 10 sheets to complete the roof surface with 23/32 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. Dry Guard Oriented Strand Board to which it is not as good for quality as the advantech product.
The wind was so strong over the night that the tarp was ripped off and is now on the ground.
The 2 drawings give me the impression that the buildings are also tied into the actual dome for support and strength with each wall contact of vertical rise.
I had to put a tarp over my roof to save it from having rain coming through it into the house. It has been lifting several 2x6 8 ft planks from the surface into the air. I am thinking of the types of use of the windmills for the particular use of it.
No single "epoxy" product exists for Mars temperatures,
but
researchers are developing specialized polymer composites using epoxy resins mixed with simulated Martian soil (regolith) and other local materials. These composites are designed for high physical properties and thermal stability in extreme Martian conditions, with some examples including modifications with tetraethoxysilane (TEOS) or the use of thermoplastic polymers for enhanced durability and UV resistance.
Epoxy and polymer composites for Mars
Polymer composites:
Researchers are creating polymer composites that use local regolith as a filler in epoxy resins.
High physical properties: These composites are being developed to achieve high physical properties, including mechanical strength and thermal stability, for use as building materials.
Modified fillers:
Chemical modification of the Martian regolith filler, such as with TEOS, can significantly enhance the properties of the final composite, notes this study from Cambridge University Press & Assessment.
Other considerations
Thermoplastics:
In addition to traditional epoxy, advanced thermoplastics are also being explored for their UV resistance and recyclability, which are crucial for space environments, according to this article from SpringerLink.
Sulfur concrete:
Another research avenue is the development of sulfur-based concrete, which uses sulfur as a bonding agent and is recyclable, notes this article from ScienceDirect.
Waterless concrete:
Given the lack of liquid water on Mars, many of these new building materials, including the epoxy-based composites, are being designed to be waterless.
Geopolymer cement:
Other research is focused on creating geopolymer bricks by mixing Martian soil with a high-pH solution to create a strong, cement-like material, according to University of Delaware.
Asking AI for Mars is not what we need first as we need to understand the difficulties of building first on earth where man does this manually. Mars will not allow this which means mars needs new machines and processes. Lack of materials for bricks is an issue, there is no commodity shop for other materials to bind or to make them adhere to the made bricks. That is why you develope within a chamber with the conditions that you would use on mars once you have methods to try.
The largest brick dome that can be made on Mars is likely limited to around 150 feet in diameter, (45.72 meters) though even this would require extensive foundation engineering. This is because a pressurized dome on Mars is under tension and would attempt to tear itself from the ground, a problem that increases with size, as lifting force scales with area while anchoring force scales with circumference.
Limitations of domes on Mars
Structural tension:
Unlike on Earth, where the atmosphere presses a dome down, on Mars a pressurized dome's own weight creates outward tension, making it want to pull itself out of the ground.
Anchoring challenges:
A dome's anchoring force scales with its circumference, while its lifting force (the force trying to pull it up) scales with its area. This means a wider dome requires a proportionally larger foundation to resist the greater forces.
Practicality:
While domes are a common concept for Martian habitats, traditional brick domes may not be the most practical due to the extreme anchoring requirements. Alternatives like multi-layered vaults, foam-filled arcs, or 3D-printed habitats using local regolith are being explored as more viable options.Potential solutions for Martian domes
Reinforced structures:
A multi-layered vault settlement made from bricks with a steel-reinforced outer layer is a concept that could offer more structural integrity.
Inflatable structures:
A combination of inflatable arcs and a hard foam filling could allow for the creation of very large buildings without the need for heavy machinery.
3D-printed habitats:
NASA has supported 3D printing competitions where proposals use Martian regolith as a primary building material to create structures for astronauts
A none clear dome could be done with brick of course.
Building a 200-meter diameter brick dome is a massive engineering challenge, a project that would surpass the scale of the world's current largest masonry dome, the Florence Cathedral dome, which has a diameter of approximately 42 meters.
Such a structure would require advanced engineering, modern materials science, and innovative construction techniques to ensure stability and durability.
Key Considerations for a 200m Diameter Brick Dome
Structural Feasibility:
A 200m dome is possible in theory, but traditional unreinforced masonry techniques (like those used in historical domes) might not be sufficient at this scale due to the immense weight and stress. Modern construction would likely involve reinforced masonry, steel, or concrete elements.
Foundation:
A robust and secure foundation is essential to handle the massive load of a 200m dome and transfer it evenly to the ground without settling.
Construction Techniques:
Formwork:
Unlike smaller domes that can sometimes be built with minimal or no formwork using specific "tricks" like sticky mortar and specialized tools, a dome of this size would likely require extensive temporary support structures (centering or formwork) or innovative construction methods.
Geometric Design:
The geometry is critical. Engineers would need to select an appropriate profile (e.g., a hemisphere, which might not be practical for the internal space usage, or a different curve).
Material Science:
The bricks would need to be strong, and the mortar would play a critical role in bonding the massive structure.
Engineering Expertise:
Collaboration between structural engineers and architects is vital to ensure all aspects of the design and construction are feasible and safe.
Modern Alternatives:
For a dome of this size, modern construction methods like those used for Monolithic Domes (using an inflatable membrane, foam, rebar, and shotcrete) are more common and potentially more practical and cost-effective.
Seismic Considerations:
If built in an earthquake-prone region, specific reinforcement and design considerations would be critical to ensure the structure's integrity.
Summary
A 200m diameter brick dome would be a monumental architectural and engineering feat, far exceeding existing examples of masonry domes. Its construction would require substantial engineering innovation, modern reinforced techniques, and extensive structural analysis to overcome the challenges posed by its unprecedented scale.
Of course all changes in scale as bricks are small and blocks are just larger ie cinder blocks. so what come next to build something larger?
sure we can build using a system of bricks or blocks.
For building arch shapes, you can use either tapered/wedge-shaped bricks or standard rectangular bricks. Tapered bricks are specially designed for arches to create uniform mortar joints, while rectangular bricks can be used for a flatter arch, sometimes called a soldier arch. Special shapes like double-tapered arch bricks or bricks with a specific angle (like a 70° skew-back angle for flat arches) are also available for curved elements.
Types of bricks for arches
Tapered or wedge-shaped bricks:
These are the most common for rounded arches. They are tapered to ensure that the mortar joints are of a consistent thickness throughout the depth of the arch.
Double-tapered arch bricks: These are double-tapered in either width or length to form curved features, like an archway or a circular window.
Rectangular bricks (cut or full-size):
Soldier arches:
These are created by placing standard rectangular bricks on their ends, with their long sides set vertically. This type is more of a flat arch and requires support like a lintel or frame.
Flat arches:
Flat arches are often constructed with standard rectangular bricks that are the same size and have parallel sides, sometimes with a specific skew-back angle.
Specialty and pre-fabricated arches: Modern technology allows for pre-fabricated brick arches built to specific dimensions and designs, which can be a cost-effective solution.
Key considerations for size and shape
Uniformity:
The key for most arches is achieving uniform mortar joints for structural integrity. Tapered bricks achieve this, while flat arches often use standard rectangular pieces with a consistent, small mortar joint.
Angle:
For flat arches, a 70° skew-back angle is common for the voussoirs (the wedge-shaped stones used to build the arch).
Customization:
If your design requires specific angles, curves, or a certain rise, you may need to specify custom dimensions or use pre-fabricated arches
ArtificialLichen is to change the soil to somewhat more like earths in that decade plant life creates topsoil which if enough water is present makes the soil not blw and become part of the atmospheric abrasve to breathing and static electricity cling.
Mars at one time did have it but with the loss of water and a much warmer planet the process stopped making clay and good topsoil.