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Hydrogen: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … 2663&ei=13
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Calliban has previously wondered about Mars.  If it turns out to be what is hoped for on Earth then perhaps Mars as well, as we now believe that their is a large amount of liquid water deep down on Mars.

I believe that precision fermentation may use H2 and CO2 to produce food.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_fermentation

Tony Seba on precision fermentation: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE

So, CO2 could become an important resource.

And in this pathway, we could find a way to chemicals that will promote plant growth, such as Acetate, then a pathway to some vegetables perhaps.  The vascular plants will need at least some light, but they could be modified genetically to grow in the dark for the most part, eventually.

If you don't like GMO then don't have it.

This is going to be a problem for "The merchants of doom".

That will reduce their power to try to set up a globalist dictatorship. 

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There is some talk about a electron with sufficient energy entering into a atom and combining with a proton and so altering the atomic number of the atom and making it into another type of element, maybe an isotope?

Carbon Shielding gets transmuted from a nuclear reactor.  But I may have been wrong supposing that the particles in a magnetic field could do similar.  I apologize.  I don't know for sure if I am wrong, but at this point as I cannot obtain sufficient information, I will have to presume that I have stepped into it.  A mistake perhaps.

Such information is kept rather secret from idiots, for good reason, so I do not anticipate that if it is possible that I will obtain any confirmation.

So, I end it.  But not the idea of ionizing chemicals to run a artificial biosphere.  The secondary radiation could do that, I think.

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I think that is a good plan Terraformer.

I have recently read that James Web found lots of tiny asteroids in the belt.  They may tend to be rubble piles and what you suggest could well work with them.

I like it.

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https://www.livescience.com/space/aster … ward-earth
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So, maybe bite sized, and maybe a jumble of materials.  Maybe some platinum metals, Carbonaceous, and then stony materials.  They might be like dust bunnies.

You just scoop them up in Terraformers centrifugal can.  Then you have a very low gravity field to process the materials in as Terraformer has suggested.

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I don't know if I want to be confined to the terms you dictate (th).

It is my impression that the atmosphere of Venus does not turn over very much vertically.  Otherwise, it would have radiated off much of the heat down below.

The atmospheric super rotation higher up causes very strong horizontal winds between the day and night though.  I think those rotate once every four days.

If you want to make a vertical structure and can cope with the winds, for vertical strength space elevator materials might do.  But they are likely to react with the corrosive atmosphere.  Therefore, you might want a protective sheath around your elevator.

In building a vertical structure you are free to include floats appropriate to altitude.  So, unlike a space elevator, the structure would not depend downwards so much from a floating island.  Neither would it have to have the compressive strength to rise from the surface.  Your vertical structure could use tensile and compressive strengths relieved periodically with floats.

To some degree, if you had Carbon tensile structures, you might cloak those in some sort of acid proof plastic materials.  Outside of that you might have glass shingles, so that liquids condensing on the outside could flow downward and even be collected to turn a turbine.

If you brought the H2SO4 downward to a hot location you might cause it to decompose into H20 and SO2.  And you might let those gasses flow upward, to condense into water which you could allow to flow downward internally to wash the Carbon of acid,  The SO2 you could vent.

Clean water flowing downward internally could generate power going down as a liquid, and then you could boil it to turn a turbine and let the gas flow up.

Floats.

But way beyond our level at this time.

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If you had such a "Beanstalk" then water running down could cool some installations on the surface as well.

And you might be able to bring solid materials up and down inside the "Beanstalk".

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I believe that the current output of the device is very small but its lifetime is very long.  I would say, that if you had the materials for it, then perhaps they could be ganged together to produce significant energy.

If we were to create a ring of Carbon Dust, I would fear that the materials would get sucked into Jupiter.

If we made a ring of Carbon of larger components, it might be that it would absorb the radiation of the Jupiter.

As I understand it, currently Carbon 14 for nuclear diamonds is taken from Shielding from nuclear reactors.

A different way to access the radiation belts of Jupiter would be habitats encased in very thick Carbon Shells.  So, when at the point of orbit away from the Perihelion, the aphelion.  Some of these might allow access to moons like Europa and Io as well.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsis

While I think we have done a lot with chemistry, it seems to look like we will begin to work with Transmutation.

I don't know if the radiation belts of planets will be suitable for that, but it does not hurt to ask, except for the danger of seeming to be a fool.  I will make that easy.  Indeed, I am to some extent a fool.

Here is a video about Nuclear Diamond Batteries: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/r … 636f&ei=12

I have had an interest also in Aluminum-26, which I think can be produced by transmuting Silicon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium-26

I am not sure exactly what type of radiation is in the radiation belts of Jupiter.

Our Van Allen belts are primarily of Protons and Electrons.  I do not know if they have the ability to do transmutation.

Anyway, if the belts of Jupiter can be useful that way, then if we can put materials into them to transmute, then we might be able to throttle or alter the character of those radiation belts.

If this is possible then perhaps Aliens might do it.  Maybe a signal would be generated from that.

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I think you are correct in that (th).

In my view our main problems with the vanishing of the Frontier Experience, is the Landlords.  They are people who want to collect rents while not providing a value added service.  And those types will pollute the sorry telling in order to justify their position of parasitic extraction of wealth.

An example of this could be Arabs, in the expansion under Islam.  They promoted high culture by joining several civilizations together, so then there was a blooming.  But then they began replacing competent males in the gene pools of those civilizations, and the end consequence was a fall.

They themselves may admit that that was true, at least some of them.  This is not to say that it is a fault of Arabs only or Islam, but rather that it was a case of the affliction.  In school I was told how very much better the Arabs were than the Europeans, and that they had created so much.  But it turns out that to some extent the attributed other civilizations work to themselves, or westerners made the attribution of credit for it in error.

And that leads to the possibility that we have such entities in our ranks that are not from any one ethnic group but have the natural compulsion to become rich and powerful, and if left unchecked they can smother the intellect from our cultures that does exist.

In my opinion when I see academics or ignorant people putting down space efforts, I hold high suspicion that these individuals are among that process that wishes to eat the brains and will kill the light.

The Shortcut mind is a real problem.  A Shortcut mind can copy the works of the creative but cannot create very well.  They can test very well in a school situation sort of like a magician giving an illusion.  But their goal may only be to seek power and wealth.  (Like many of us).

There is a place for caution in the hopes of expanding humans and robots into the solar system, but we have to be careful.  Many people are Shortcut people.

Nature does not value brains or creativity, unless it promotes survival of a pattern in time.

One experience which may indicate a possibility of the Shortcuts laying groundwork for eating societies brains is when people say that the USA did not go to the Moon.  I think that their could be some secretes about that, but I expect that the America haters such as Communists, and Socialists, and other nations would have exposed us as soon as possible if we had been false in going to the Moon.

But just laying the groundwork, could help allow a conquering parasitic culture, to alter the records at some point and tell a false story about us.

Being aware that the "Fakes" are always seeking to replace us in the gene and meme pool, is necessary to hope to avoid the fall of our world.  It is not a guarantee, but a hope.

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I found an excentric, more so than me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nlc6lw7o_U
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I guess I enjoy the idea that we can talk about these things.  I resent the idea that environmentalists automatically act like they can rule us.

It does begin to make sense that the Los Angelis aqueduct perhaps should be shut down, or maybe even reversed.

It seems like Mars should have no problem generating plenty of fresh water.

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OK, if you have a thick slurry of Carbon or organic Carbon Dust mixed with Venus atmosphere, the suspension will be much easier than for Earth atmosphere.  If you have ceramic ice engines or turbines......

Then can you have liquid metal lubricants?  Possibly also liquid metal coolants, maybe also salts.

So, if you could grow algae or cyanobacteria in bags in the clouds, then you could provide your source of fuel.
Others have suggested LOX as the Oxidizer.  I am still considering Sulfuric Acid as Oxidizer as it is quite available in the cloud tops.

Burning Carbon/organics, in Sulfuric Acid needs an additional heat input to sustain, but that heat is available on the surface of Venus.

I could be wrong about the Sulfuric Acid, maybe LOX is a better way.  But I have read that Carbon and Sulfuric Acid with a heat input will create CO2, SO2, and H20.

If you start with a liquid (Sulfuric Acid) and a solid (Carbon), and the results are all gasses, I expect that that may be able to power a motor.  But of course as I have said, I am not sure of it.

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This is in a large part about robots but other things as well, so I will put it here: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC
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A very important thing is the suggestion that there could be 5 humanoid robots for every person, in the future.

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On the question of how to distribute wealth.  I think that an earlier retirement might be considered as wealth may accumulate sufficiently.  Maybe things could be a bit more like the Nordics, providing that the economics would justify it.

As for American debt, for some time I have had a suspicion that such debt at low interest rates may turn out to have been a good thing, as to set us up to enter this new world.  If the debt can be managed and also rendered less and less of the productive value of our economy, then it may well, be a mild sickness rather than a fatal one.

As for the parties of people who perhaps have a mental disorder, who continually insist that we are bad people and indeed inferiors.  We should not allow them to test their theories.

For instance, the NAZI have the philosophy that continual killing will improve the human race.  They seem to have a continuing desire to subordinate any people that they can.  I think that they act on the level of insects, craving hierarchy at a level that is detrimental to the interests of the human race.  It is not sensible to excessively weed out certain genes, as you never know if you may have use for them in the future.  It has occurred to me that there is limited space inside of a person who grew from a certain genome.  I am fairly sure that it is not practical to put all "Good" traits into such a genome.  And then if you clone your "Perfect" human and everyone has the same genome, you make the human race brittle and not as adaptive as it should be to change.

As for the "Blank Slate" people, who have the philosophy that if they could get control of the human race completely they could teach the human race to be good, perhaps they should perfect themselves before thinking to change the nature of other people.  (That is many of the far left who have those ideas).

So, America is quite a long way to the path that may be more desirable.

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This is a somewhat more conservative evaluation of "Super Power": https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC
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So, this evaluation suggests that sort of universal "Super Power" will not show up by 2030, but rather 2040.

I think that if energy prices continuously drop then demand will rise.

While reconditioning "Used Water" is an option, I have wondered about using microwaves to heat the oceans surface just a little bit, and so then to cause moisture to move to land.  Many deserts are existing because of cold water off of their shores.  "Distillation" done by this method would not produce an intense brine, so may be less disruptive of the oceans ecology.

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I am under the impression that I shall be accursed should I intrude in "Index» Science, Technology, and Astronomy» Pure Carbon burned with pure Oxygen Analysis"  https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10976

But as the owner has said, there are plenty of topics where speculation is allowable.

I am already aware of pulverized coal burners.  A big device like a bearing grinds coal to a dust and then I believe that flue gas is used to carry the dust to a combustion event.  This could probably work with "Pure Carbon" as well.

Here is an article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulverize … red_boiler

Another thing I stumbled on was that Carbon can be burned in Sulfuric Acid, producing CO2, SO2, and H20.
The burn process may require an input of external heat, which may not be a problem lower down in the atmosphere of Venus.

So, Sulfuric Acid could serve as an Oxidizer, instead of Oxygen.  The Sulfuric Acid may also work as a coolant, I suspect, but handling it would be a real bit of trouble.  But Glass may work.  Glass and Ceramics we are familiar with are seen as brittle.  But is the same true at high temperatures down below on Venus?  Perhaps at those temperatures they may have more suitable qualities.

And then we have the Ceramic Engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic_engine

I would look into turbines though, and there is a problem with lubricants, as I think has been mentioned by other members.

I find it hard to understand how you can invent a new thing without speculation.  But that is just me, I guess.

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This has prompted me to speculate that if you could create UV tolerant plastic bags. you could grow algae or cyanobacteria in them with very little weight.  Such "Balloons" could then support a heavy structure(s) with robots in them.  You could then subject the algae or cyanobacteria to pyrolysis, to yield a Carbon rich material to be a fuel.

The Carbon brought down to the surface could be heated to the temperatures normal there.  And then you might think to burn it in Sulfuric Acid collected above, and dropped down to the surface for that purpose.

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