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#26 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2021-03-12 03:15:06

louis wrote:

I do agree that NASA obfuscate. There is no logical reason for using the orange filter and the grid that both obscure detail in photos. It also seems odd that in 50 years NASA have really failed to improve picture quality to any great degree.

On the other hand I don't think they are lying about atmospheric pressures. There is no reason to do that.

There's something going on with NASA - they've spent 50 years denying there's any life on Mars and now, with Perseverance, they seem to have set everything up to announce there is life or has been in the past. Very odd! But I think it might be because NASA have now been captured by the international "planetary protection" mafia.

No Louis, they are, air pressures like earth mean a higher possibility of life, as does the -173 at night one lie, (they moved the decimal point on all of their data, or it is lucky to get down to minus 2 at night not minus 200).

They botch up Viking, then after Carl Sagan went on a monitor rampage, it has been orange screens ever since.

They know that after 50 years of knocking anyone who see's anything weird, as nuts then releases satanic aliens at area 51, propaganda to scare everyone on youtube, (watch PAUL, that movie takes the p...s out of all of that crap) they will have a hard time controlling mass paragrim shifting individuals in shock smashing in any tv store available.

And NASA do release HD images on rare occasions, (check out the last image on the Mars, stealth mission thread).

SpaceNut wrote:

The answer to the air pressure is in the
https://d2pn8kiwq2w21t.cloudfront.net/i … th-640.jpg

This it from high above the surface as imaged from High Resolution Imaging Experiment (HiRISE) camera aboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO).
This one is not the parachute of the landings but it shows how the parachute inflates to be able cause drag....

https://mars.nasa.gov/system/news_items … 890-16.gif

This page has a video of it opening plus shows the heat shield or back shell dropping

Agreed if it was a near vacuum, then it wouldn't be opening like it did, (the moon is a near vacuum, and as Buzz showed with his feather experiment it would have been useless).

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#27 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2021-03-11 19:40:20

Calliban wrote:

Tmcom, would you care to place a wager?  I will bet you a tenner that median air pressure on the Martian surface does not exceed 1KPa.  If the world discovers otherwise by 2040, say, I will pay up.  If not, you pay up.  The Chinese are in orbit around Mars right now and must be aware of atmospheric density to be able to design an aerobraking system.  Are they also in on the con?

China, Russia and the US, have all made a pact to stay Mum on the subject, so no you will be paying.

I suggest that you watch the video, pure water droplets on the rover, which can only come from rain, and wet sand at the same time to back it up.

The proof is in front of your face, and if NASA wasn't fibbing then why didn't they release this news to the world, answer: they want to release a trickle to the small percentage of the worlds population that can still think rationally, so they can manage the majority that will go ape-shit when this is all released, (well, before 2040).

I suspect that NASA will own up in 12 years time, have your PayPal email ready.

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#28 Re: Unmanned probes » Official MSL / Curiosity Rover Thread | Aug 5, 2012 10:31 p.m. PT » 2021-03-11 08:04:08

GW Johnson wrote:

Balancing the available evidence against the need for "extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims" is tricky at best. 

There seem to be both life and non-life explanations for what the instruments on Viking saw. 

There seem to be both life and non-life explanations for the purported microbe fossils seen in the Allan Hills 84001 meteorite from Mars. 

There may be both life and non-life explanations for the thiophenes seen by Curiosity. 

And there's likely more such examples.  I dunno,  I haven't kept up with all of those. 

But there's a trend here:  multiple examples over many years of things that may indicate at least past life on Mars.  Couple that with the current thinking that life forms fairly easily if liquid water and sunlight are present.  Such was true for the first billion years or so on Mars,  as best we understand.

My best guess (and guess it is) is that eventually we will find underground living remnant microbe populations on Mars,  and fossil traces of widespread earlier surface microbe life on Mars.  It will take years of people searching on Mars to uncover all this.  But I do believe that eventually we will. 

GW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgZOhlNCiM&t=1s

Nope, NASA want to maintain a propaganda regime, and these billion dollar rovers fit their narrative nicely.

I have found pure water droplets on the second last rover, dispelling the air pressure can boil away water myth and strongly hinting at rain.

Or demonstrating that Mars is a lot more earthlike than what they will admit, which makes no sense, on the surface, unless someone or something is living there, and has energy systems, (that we keep burying) that threatens oil profits.

This all sounds pretty far fetched, but Mars is in the habitable zone, and Hubble as well as anyone pointing a telescope at Mars, Always sees a blue atmosphere.

But anyway NASA cannot keep a lid on this forever, or someone who isn't biased will land something there and show the world eventually.

This will all come up soon enough, and scare the hell out of a lot of people who have made a career out of ostriches doing the obvious.

The images in the video are from the rovers raw images, Sol 600+, mast cam.

#29 Unmanned probes » Another Rover Lands on Mars » 2021-02-23 06:14:06

Tmcom
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9spAjJ5-hEA

https://www.scientificamerican.com/vide … ing-video/

But this time the sky is blue on the ground, but don't expect anything else from these liars.

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#30 Unmanned probes » China's space probe sends back its first image of Mars » 2021-02-08 02:45:39

Tmcom
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https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story … 2021-02-06

The quality is a bit lousy, which doens't give much hope of HD images on the surface, but they may stuffup more than JPL, and let something decent through.

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#31 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Real Mars » 2021-02-02 04:15:27

bZP03Sy.jpg

This gives a clearer view, (the sunset one was edited by me, to remove the bad data).

#32 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Real Mars » 2021-02-01 04:19:51

SeCtsnn.jpg

First image above shows the locations of the anomaly's, (the rover distortions are obvious) and a more detailed description will be given elsewhere, (see links above on previous posts).

Ok, first few, are the rovers reflections, that l have distortion corrected to show the martian landscape and also gives us a glimpse or what a real mars sunset looks like, (the rover has no orange, and no color correction was done) so solid evidence, that Mars sunsets are like ours.

Next one down shows a puddle, and the rover drives right past it, (but JPL do blurr it, figure).

Next one possible markings on the hill.

Second last a obvious martian depiction with an entrance, and last a possible road or river.

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#33 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Real Mars » 2021-01-29 09:07:18

https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/curiosi … /?site=msl

I know Spacenut, massive images, and l was barely able to get the second largest into Photoshop, to study, with the largest one being unusable, even for my fast laptop.

I will post my findings here, and they seem to be in true color, (white on rover looks white and a blue sky).

And l will most likely stay with their big image and screen capture, even though that makes location of anomaly harder to show.

Over 200,000 views, for this thread, sweet.

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#34 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Slow Glass Individualized Service on Mars or Anywhere » 2021-01-27 03:15:19

tahanson43206 wrote:

For SpaceNut ...

Our recent conversation about "Slow Glass" is best captured at the link: http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 61#p160461

I am offering this new top level addition to "Life on Mars" for several reasons:

Summary: A high density video camera would be set up at a customer selected site. Images would be delivered to the customer anywhere.

Model:

(th)

Sounds like a great idea, or obviously l would want a HD video feed on Mars, preferably in a high interest area, (green areas shown in the ESA orbital image).

(:

#35 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Real Mars » 2021-01-17 03:10:37

SpaceNut wrote:

After fifteen years of imaging and nearly three years of stitching the pieces together to create the largest image ever made, the 8-trillion-pixel mosaic of Mars' surface.  Fluvial Mapping of Mars

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/ge … -rivers-on

Each of the 8 trillion pixels represents 5 to 6 square meters, and coverage is nearly 100 percent, thanks to the "spectacular engineering" of NASA's context camera that has allowed it to operate continuously for well over a decade.

Great achievement to get all of mars but the granularity is not going to be able to tell until the last seconds where we are landing level or in a hole....

https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2020/12/ … is-decade/

That is great, but it isn't downloadable, and considering how they intentionally botch up the atmosphere, they would have photoshopped anything interesting away.

All JPL staff have to sign a disclaimer, which beggs the reason, if they are there to find stuff, then why keep it secret?

#36 Re: Human missions » Musk - giant of the age! » 2021-01-06 19:33:01

SpaceNut wrote:

The dreams of Star Trek are getting closer everyday to being real as

Quantum entanglement and data teleportation is a complex science, and not even the experts fully understand how it might ultimately be used in a quantum network. Each proof of concept like this that we get puts us a little closer to making such a network happen though.

Is teleportation possible? Yes, in the quantum world and We’re one step closer to a communication network based on quantum teleportation

Still a long way to go, to get up to a dog going from one location to another, without looking like Sundays Curry.

#37 Re: Human missions » Musk - giant of the age! » 2021-01-06 03:08:37

kbd512 wrote:

tahanson43206,

I watched the entire interview.  Some of the General's questions were answered, whereas others seemed to go off on tangents about fully reusable rockets.  However, I get the sense that Mr. Musk is very excited and passionate about the work being done at SpaceX.  He said he wants to make Star Fleet Academy a reality.  I believe him.

One interesting side note as someone who lives and breathes innovation, is that he said we may not be able to achieve teleportation or warp drive within our lifetimes.  I think that's fundamentally the wrong attitude about those technologies.  If we're to have a Star Trek future, then those two technologies are pivotal.  Apart from curing cancer or something like that, if there's any other task to use AI to accomplish, it should be figuring out how to produce a working warp drive and teleportation device.  Once we have warp drive, impulse drive, and some kind of gravitational field reduction device, then we can explore the universe at our leisure.  At that point, we won't need fully reusable rockets.

Agreed, warp drive wouldn't even be potentially viable unless a mathematician messed about with the numbers for a laugh, and realized there where ways around it needing the energy output of Jupiter to pull it off.

If Musk wants Star Fleet then he needs to pump serious cash into antigravity systems.

And he shouldn't watch Star Trek Discovery Season 3!

#38 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2020-12-25 03:03:40

SpaceNut wrote:

Yes GW says that he can hear the engine testing....as far as seeing it; sure would be something to witness first hand....

At least solar panels on the moon makes sense, (no atmosphere, or clouds) and they could be strung around it, as the moon is one huge piece of land, and actually provide 24/7 power.

Not sure if the timeline will prevail with Trump gone and the new one putting other, less inspirational goals first.

#40 Re: Exploration to Settlement Creation » Air. Shelter. Water. Food. » 2020-12-17 04:52:13

SpaceNut wrote:

So far Tmcom, we have seen the mirages of streams but we did see muddy areas where its ice melted under the suns influences as seen by rover tracks in sandy areas that it went through.

Mirages maybe, but rain on Mars is a given,(no other explanation for water droplets on the rover).

SpaceNut wrote:

well Insight with its mole was to answer to mars internal heat possibility but until we send a real drill to mars we seem to be stuck in a rote.
If there is volcanic heat down inside mars I sure would call it a win....

There is, or recently volcanic activity was found by satellite.

#42 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2020-12-14 03:22:46

Oldfart1939 wrote:

Elon's move from California to Texas may be related to the personal income tax levied by California, versus that of Texas.

Also the fact that the Mayor of California may make the vaccine mandatory, since he is an idiot, and Musk has publicly stated he won't be getting jabbed.

And he is closer to his megafactory, which may house the industrial complex for mass producing his rocket ships.

#43 Re: Human missions » Starship is Go... » 2020-12-12 02:16:31

Oldfart1939 wrote:

Just another point of interest here: Elon is moving from California to Texas.

California is crazy, and Musk doesn't want to get the jab, so is understandably doing a runner.

Haven't heard from M-Albion for a month, but since he lives in California he and his family may have done likewise?

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#44 Re: Mars Rovers / University Rover Challenge » Mars Rover cameras - the orange filter... » 2020-11-30 03:10:04

louis wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PevDwIENVKA

Interesting discussion of the use of filters on Mars Rover cameras, filters which provide an oddly distorted view of the Mars landscape.

Any thoughts? 

I am reassured by this that many Mars anomalies researchers are right to remove the filter effects.

They don't want the masses to realize that Mars is earthlike, and the next one on its way, will be more of the same.

I have seen Curiositys ground level camera, take a shot of the ground, (or no more than a meter) but it had so much orange over it, it was like the rover was driving through a severe dust storm, (but the Mast Cam shows a clear sky).

Then NASA gives a p...weak explanation, the herd buy it, and every one is happy, except us.

We have another 13 years of this crap, so may as well get used to it.

But one day we will be proven right, instead of being shunned by lemmings, then they will be the nutters.

#45 Re: Mars Society International » Shop at the Mars society store » 2020-11-24 19:47:59

Ah, so this is how you guys make money. smile

And remember SpaceNut that you can link back to this thread or page, from my forum either using a link, etc in the sig, area.

cool

#46 Re: Unmanned probes » Perseverance New 2020 Mars Rover based on MSL » 2020-11-16 08:13:59

Yes, interesting read, 100 days and 4 billion, but the usual.

They did that with the 1 billion 1970's probes, and could have easily botched the oven tests, (dropped the dirt before adding moisture and heating up).

They willl never bring back samples from Mars as independant researchers may get a hold of some, and find it has organics or microbes in them, as Viking showed in its first two oven tests.

They spend more and more with fancier tools, but it all boils down to the same thing, a smokescreen of low pixel Mast Cam images, intentionally avioding anything that should be inspected up close, and intentionally repeating images from earlier Sols, (l have noticed that at times) to hide the current rovers treck over some water or overcast skys.

And we get NASA officials saying how exited they are, l will be exited when they tell us what is really there.

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#47 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Voyager 2, is alive and well » 2020-11-07 03:02:57

SpaceNut wrote:

With out the deep space communications dish we would not be able to get all of this information form the many probes that we are communicating with.

Hopefully we will not make these just one time visits so as to learn more about what we already know from these probes that have already gotten from them.

Agreed. smile

#48 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Voyager 2, is alive and well » 2020-11-04 21:55:10

tahanson43206 wrote:

For tmcom re #1

Thank you for your post, with that neat image, and for the link to the NASA announcement.

I appreciated the chance to catch up on what I gather is a major upgrade to the Canberra dish and associated hardware. 

https://www.nasa.gov/voyager

https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov

Calla Cofield
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
626-808-2469
calla.e.cofield@jpl.nasa.gov

2020-207

Last Updated: Nov. 3, 2020
Editor: Tony Greicius
Tags:  Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Moon to Mars, SCaN (Space Communications and Navigation), Voyager

It is good to know that the upgraded antenna will be fully online in time for the Perseverance landing at Mars in 2021.

(th)

No probs, and you need to click on the planet or sub planet twice with the mouse to see it up close, (the real life rendering of the Pluto probe is pretty impressive, you can move around it, etc).

#49 Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Voyager 2, is alive and well » 2020-11-04 03:33:25

Tmcom
Replies: 11

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-c … twork-dish

They are repairing the dish at Canberra, Australia, but have sent a signal with a reply.

And the rendering software on this site is pretty cool, or you can move Voyager 2, in and out and explore all our planets, etc.

beLjE59.jpg

Here is a screenshot of Mars, sigh.

cool

#50 Re: Pictures of Mars » The Real Mars » 2020-10-28 03:07:47

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02751-1

NASA owns up to three giant lakes under the ice, (best we can expect).

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