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#301 2025-12-19 13:22:10
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Re: Peter Zeihan again: and also other thinkers:
I am putting this here for future review by me: https://www.bing.com/search?q=Wokeness+ … pc=EDGEXST
Articles by Professor Edward Dutton. One example is: "Wokeness and Intelligence with Edward Dutton
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Amazing Academics
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I am not advocating or criticizing what he has said. I don't know that to think yet, but the samples I have of his speaking suggest that I will want to understand what he is claiming.
I was busy with plumbing and could not focus on the video I watched.
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#302 2025-12-19 22:11:12
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Alright from the last post I have selected this video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … de3f31dc76 Quote:
Wokeness and Intelligence with Edward Dutton
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Amazing Academics
34.3K views
I have found a refinement in my thinking that I confirmed in this video, I feel.
Starting at about 21.32 in the video we have a segment that differentiates intelligence emergence in the two genders. I feel that this is very important as they present it but I feel I have things of value to add.
I have held IQ as suspect, but it is a measurement. I have worked in association with Metrology, so I have perhaps a fair feel for how to evaluate measurements. They can be sneaky, difficult to understand under the surface.
I will list the stated items as I thought I heard them.
-Prior to puberty the boys and girls have about the same intelligence.
-Females have earlier puberty and their intelligence tops out at 15 years of age.
-Males have a later puberty, and their intelligence tops out at 21 years of age.
*If so then there is a period of time in the American public school system where girls are more intelligent than the boys.
*I feel that this has been exploited by the formulators of the public school system, to intentionally damage boys psychologically.
*Or it may be that boys need to learn how it is to be the inferior before they mature. (Not sure).
But the public school system was set up to stunt creativity, and to make assembly line type workers, and clerks and bosses to supervise them. The rich would own the supervisors, the supervisors then being above the clerks and the assembly line workers to be at the bottom or not employed in industry.
That is to become not a problem soon I hope as with robots and computers, if humans to exist with children, then the children can be tutored by robots, perhaps like the proposed Optimus Robot of TESLA.
We can get rid of all the damaged people who torment the children in schools.
It is claimed in the video that boys end up about 4 IQ points smarter than the girls once they grow to be men. That incidentally does not happen until about 3 years after the 12th grade.
I think that that only exists because of taking the values from the test at face value. I am not sayng that score has to be corrected but rather that its Apples to Oranges.
The speaker says that the females have a higher capability tilted to Language.
The speaker says that the males have a higher capability tilted to Math and Spatial Relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_i … sychology)
In my mind this begins to fit together.
While we let people with verbal skills manipulate society, as we may be lesser in that intelligence, now I see how it may be that the Neanderthals and perhaps Denisovans, receded and the surviving humans resemble early homoserines more.
The Neanderthals and perhaps the Denisovans, were in smaller groups. Often in challenging environments that would not support big groups. The males of the Neanderthals have been speculated to have had a lot of testosterones.
https://www.livescience.com/health/gene … -ancestors
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Neanderthals were exposed to higher levels of testosterone during development, which is likely to make them more unreconstructed in their behavior. This suggests that Neanderthals were more likely to start fights over mates and hierarchy in the group and more likely to have multiple partners. The study used the ratio of the two finger lengths for a range of ancient hominins, including four Neanderthals and an early modern human from 70,000 years ago. The findings indicate that Neanderthals were more testosterone fuelled than modern men, which could have made them more aggressive and promiscuous.
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https://www.livescience.com/health/gene … -ancestors.
* Actually I think that the above passage may be false, as the hormone will promote strong bones and muscles. And old men of our age get crabby when their testosterone levels drop. Testosterone makes men friendly. But of course, if they have a masculine body and get angry then they can be a threat. If they are weak and get angry, then they may lack options to fight back.
Now let's have a look at the early Homo Sapiens females. Can you say "HIVE MIND!
In the wrong situation with a collection of females you might just as well jump into a sea full of sharks. Most men don't have much of a chance in that case. So be careful where you leap, stay to your own strengths do not play to theirs.
No, I do not think that a hive mind of females has to be evil, but it can be, just like some men can be a big problem.
So, can you measure the IQ of a hive mind? A hive mind can be of a collection of various people and now even computers.
My impression is that with the exception of when the young females migrate to another tribe, females stay closer to the village. So verbal competition and co-operation will matter there more than out in the hunting areas.
And the males if they go out to kill things, should be less reliant on language, as it does not pay to announce your presence in many cases.
And often unlike a village, things might jump down on you from a tree, or you might seek to hunt animals in trees. So, male thinking may be more 3 dimensional than female thinking I am guessing.
So, I am thinking that the subordination of the Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes to the early Homo Sapiens genome would be largely due to a large female hive mind. The Neanderthal females might not have been as competitive.
As for the dense bones and muscles of the Neanderthal and perhaps the Denisovan, with a bigger population, there might not have been enough food to keep them healthy in times of want.
There could be other factors as well of course.
How to deal with mentally ill dominantly female hive minds? I think we might want to have a look at Tomboys as potential allies.
They like to play with boy toys, and perhaps they could be helpful as they are still females.
I am guessing there is someone at SpaceX who is one. A very valuable one.
And we need to keep the wokeoids from trans gendering them and making the useless.
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I largely criticized the American society, but anther fault seems to exist in the British one. They seem to be infatuated with literally dividing the human race into ruler and servant sub species. This is damaging to the human potential, and should be wacked on the head with a shovel and then buried in the ground.
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#303 2025-12-20 08:56:53
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So, I will break my own rules, as sometimes is necessary. To speak is to be subject to potential predation.
But I like to examine, diagnose, and solve. This topic of the last post is the equivalent to me of figuring out how to do similar in outer space for a non-human situation. I am not as obsessed with this one as you might think. But this "File" in my mind is open so I choose to try to update it.
If it is true that hive minds are often dominated by certain types of females', and a narrow sliver of the male population, then such a hive mind relies on communication at the speed of conversation or it's equivalent.
For the human race to be competent to survive in its environment, it needs efficiency, and it needs capability. A hive mind can be more efficient and might also have sufficient capabilities.
In terms of the stone age, if you have 10 people with small bodies and extra fat on those bodies, they can survive better than 10 people with lots of muscle and body weight but low-fat levels. That is likely true, when the food supply runs low.
The exception to that is if the 10 stronger people take what food there is. But if that is done, then reproduction is inhibited because you likely killed off many of the female population.
The verbal collective of a hive mind is pitted against the partial autonomy of a collection of men and perhaps tomboys. That is if you excessively bulk up the brain, you can produce autonomous minds, but that comes at the cost of calories. Similarly, a bulking of muscle comes at a cost of calories. The point is, if you can have a collection of autonomous big brained and big muscled people, that can be afforded if the environment they are in offers rewards for those attributes. But if you are in a calorie restricted situation then you have to go to a lower powered hive mind.
Having the two genders (More or less), allows humans to access either of these options when it becomes necessary. Compared to most mammals, the human genders are most differentiated of all that I can think of. (I have also read that that is true).
I have read that all computers are female. Well, I really don't know, here is a response:
The statement that "All computers are said to be female" is a humorous and ironic reference to the historical and cultural perceptions of women in computing. Throughout history, women have played significant roles in the development and operation of computers, often working in roles that were initially feminized or associated with clerical tasks. This has led to a stereotype that computers are female, which has been challenged and corrected over time. The reality is that computers have been used by both men and women, and the gendered history of human computers reflects the diverse contributions of individuals in the field.
I suspect that as robots are created, the result will be more masculine, as to be animated in the material world. Males typically are more animated, as they have more muscle on average. I don't know that that is true, but we may find out.
So, what the computer has done for men is to give them a chance to be more communicative. And the produced network is a hive mind of sorts. And that may work faster than a purely verbal hive mind. Verbal hive minds might be slowed down by interpersonal contests. A computer being a high-speed idiot, (So far), even so a male which is often isolated from the core of verbal hive minds, gains a power he was unlikely to have by using computers.
We will see how gains what when humanoid robots emerge.
What I have at some point read is that in WWII, the Germans ordered that American officers should not be killed but rather be allowed to mislead the troops. It has been said that when the Germans would aim to kill the higher officers, then the Americans could start to improvise. So, if there are lower ranked troops with sufficient intellectual autonomy, the danger was that when the hierarch of the hive mind was killed, the Americans would then improvise something that the Germans would not be familiar with. I have read that some American men have an extra part of the brain that allows that. But they would not be selected to be the officers often as they do not easily comply with strict orders.
It is my notion that the American experience would have promoted the breeding of such men as opportunity and challenge existed here. In Europe, I expect that such men would be culled out for being disobedient.
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I ran into an interesting video this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V21dm9Fuwk
Quote:
The Real Reason Beauty Standards Changed — And Why Men Pay the Price
Hannah Spier, MD
I am going to pause to listen to it again....................
I am very pleased that she seeks to understand and that she does have quite a lot of understanding.
Men's sexuality is their own. But the government has been bent to play pimp for those who want to turn it into a sex industry. I suppose that private enterprise often has value but, where it facilitates Royal thinking, and the damaging of the society, it has gone too far.
The women who she mentions only understand reality from their own shallow self-serving desires, which are actually perverted.
Unfortunately, things that are desired are manipulated by the succubus, by soliciting a pimping function from an incubus. It is much like the drug trade.
First you find out what is desirable.
Then you introduce it.
Then you withhold it.
Then you charge for it.
And you want to cripple the individual so as to be better able to exploit them.
We are in this stage where the product offered is not satisfactory, but the product desired is to be withheld.
The purpose is to produce an unsatisfied addiction. Male happiness would be the very last thing they would desire.
I have seen conversation that points to London for the drug trade. Opium Wars, American drug problems expanding in the 60's.
Royal thinking is that it is just fine for cause decay, and to feed off of it. Damage the lesser people and they will be easier to exploit.
You will find, i believe that the purpose of the current campaign against male sexuality, is to link male sexual satisfaction to the extraction of money and power.
I understand that when the government decided to figure out how to regulate this on the internet, they solicited advice from Priests, Feminists, and Pornographers.
Ha Ha, a Priest is the function of a pimp as to say who and how sex may occur. The Feminist has a desire to be satisfied endlessly, and a pornographer is a part of this.
So, instead of natural and voluntary depictions on the internet, those were smothered, and deviant and unhealthy things to be promoted for the extraction of money and power.
At any rate I need to move on to more useful things today. So, my summary is "Hands Off!". It is not yours and should not be yours. Get a job and do some useful work!
Stop assisting an unhealthy association of law enforcement with control of male sexuality to extract money and wealth.
I am as an old man who has little true interest in such things anymore. This was a postmortem of sorts.
I am very uninterested for the most part, but I hate irrational bumbling around while the ship is on fire.
And I am happier for it being able to dissociate myself again from the problem.
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#304 2025-12-20 15:55:14
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Re: Peter Zeihan again: and also other thinkers:
The End of China's Rise and the Future of World Order.
https://youtu.be/IL6OHMr21f8
As Chinese economic power declines, it becoming increasingly aggressive.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
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#305 2025-12-21 09:42:12
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I found the article you provided as very interesting/important Calliban.
It seems that P. Zeihan has some things to say that are at least partially true in a big way. I think that the China story can be modified by the interests of surrounding players, and what they see as worthwhile. I think that for the USA it may be partially worthwhile to prop up China to some extent, at last for a while. This can also be true for other pacific rim east Asian countries.
For example if East Asian labor is to falter per human workers, then if they convert partially to robots, to some degree those robot might make things that countries like the USA would want to buy. It is not only that American artificial labor might be of value but that of other countries also may be useful to maintaining out economy. So, the future might create strange bedfellows, I am guessing.
Here is some additional fun: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … d9909fe1ba Quote:
How Russia DESTROYED Europe's $245 Billion Theft With ONE Legal Move
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Egov Haze
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And of course assets that Venezuela siezed under socialist/nationalist justifications, hints at another sort of international money games.
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Here is a related article: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ajaxhist=0 Quote:
RUSSIA SUES EU FOR $230B, Brussels’ Asset Theft Exposed as Zelensky’s War Backfires |Times Now World
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Times Now World
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#306 2025-12-24 09:36:20
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Should we think any of this could be true?
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:
Britain's Hidden Hand in America's Government | They Set Up The Deep state!
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CRYPTO RICH POLITICS
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I am not sure I can believe that there are no random senseless events such as assignations.
But the process if frantically importing 3rd world people into western countries, fits into the NAZI principles, the need for endless killing to get rid of the weak in the population. For instance, if you can get gang violence going in a culture, you can expect the weak and those of poor intelligence to be victimized more. Then if you are really lucky you can create an ethnic sort of war.
Over the course of history, I do believe that the results the NAZI produced was for that. To force killing events. In that light Hitlers intention as he supposedly said it was that he would either bring Germany to rule or destroy it. And this is what he did do.
I think it may be that some of this could be true or at least parallel to the truth.
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#307 2025-12-24 18:18:20
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I want to balance the accounts a bit. The last post I made had a story about how a certain set of entities were the criminals of our history.
This one gives an idea of how reality at the international level is rather close to the "Law of the Jungle": https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … fff91c494c Quote:
The Secret History: How America 'Bought' The British Empire
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History Meets Economic
I was fairly aware of the bigger part of this already.
I guess I might attempt to claim that America's resentment for history and certain actors, made it desirable to make sure that such levels of power could not be exhorted on again. But I regret the burden that the British people had to endure.
I might try to argue that the method to conclude WWI as said to be enforced by France and Britain onto the Germans, may have brought Hitler to power.
Who is the chicken that laid the egg that hatched into a worse chicken? It goes on and on.
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#308 2026-01-03 08:52:21
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I had a dream that was partly lucid about buying a new suit that was very heavy, and had at least 50 Dickies in it.
These seemed to be all different plaids though: https://www.amazon.com/turtleneck-dicki … eck+dickie
I wasn't sure I wanted it but I wondered after taking it apart if I could put it back together again.
Then I woke up and found an unexplained puddle of water on my kitchen floor.
Then I listened to a video that made me wonder if the world is about tiny, brained people behaving in bogus manners, not really understanding, but trying to out-bogus each other?
I will see if I can get the video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ac1e3bf29f Quote:
Trump's Silver Bullet: The End of Britain's Financial Empire!
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CRYPTO RICH POLITICS
My brain is full.
Pause......................
So, if this had occurred before we had Shale Oil, I am thinking that we would have to buy Foreign Oil with weak dollars. But this is not currently a problem. We also have food and fairly good water.
I think I dimly understand.
Our dollar low is an encouragement for foreign people to convert their currency to dollars and buy American produces. I think. Tariffs, discourage Americans from buying foreign goods with our weak dollars.
I do keep trying from time to time but I the end I have to plead stupid. I see glimmers, but not the picture.
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We might avoid too much inflation, as we have quite al lot of resources internal to our country.
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#309 2026-01-04 09:23:15
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https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … bed440366e Quote:
Tom Luongo exposes what’s really going on with TRUMP & MADURO
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Those who ware globally oriented, might think that just because I place this video here, I must be in their camp.
Yes, I see some of their perspective. I am not against them but I am not yet willing to sign up to their hexarchy. I expect that they don't want to run a Hierarchy.
I could tell you why the head of the church of England and the pope offend me. They think that the world should be centered under their feet. I do not dispute their religion, rather I dispute their authority to be justified to play Judas, and nail our people to crosses. They are naturally globalists, so as they run parallel to the non-Christian Globalists. When the give assistance to the enemy, they can never win my allegiance.
That only goes as far as I do not accept their criticisms. I am offended by what they say.
We have plenty of Churches here that do not bless the Globalists. I would prefer those, Christians. And so my feelings are similar about the judgements that Europeans may cast against us. I am repulsed and offended.
We tried Globalism, and may try it again someday, maybe 80 years from now, but it is deeply infected by parasitic processes. Doing the opposite in this next 80-100 years, may offer a way to scrape the parasites off our bodies.
It is probably better that you adapt to this new reality.
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#310 2026-01-07 22:27:02
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WTF! Privateering is now on! Not just piracy, privateering.
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#311 2026-01-07 22:40:35
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RobertDyck,
Weren't you the one endlessly advocating for sending weapons to fight the Russians in Ukraine?
Now that America is directly and actively pushing back on Russia by hitting them where it hurts most, you're shocked that we did it?
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#312 2026-01-07 23:37:47
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kbd512,
Yes. I'm glad the Trump administration has broken with Russia. For the reasons you state. But taking commercial ships in international waters? That will escalate. Russia attacked Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea. Ukraine is justified in attacking Russian ships anywhere, considering Russia is currently invading Ukraine with intent to completely annex all their territory, make Ukraine cease to exist. Ukraine and Russia are in full-scale war. The only weapon not used so far is nuclear. But attacking shipping of a country with which you are not at war? That ship flew the flag of Guyana last month. Attacking a ship of a country with which you are not at war? This means any country can seize any ship. And this will begin. How long before Russia seizes a container ship operated by the Maersk shipping company. A company based in Denmark, but operating the largest container ships, including carrying goods from China to USA. This is just an example. Expect other countries will seize other goods, just because they want them. International trade cannot exist as long as countries allow piracy.
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#313 2026-01-08 01:35:42
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RobertDyck,
Ukraine is justified in attacking Russian ships anywhere, considering Russia is currently invading Ukraine with intent to completely annex all their territory, make Ukraine cease to exist.
I don't recall anyone stating that they're not justified. Unfortunately for them, they don't have the manpower and coordination to win a land war with Russia. Their actions in combat are admirable, but courage only takes you so far. The math doesn't work. At some point, training, sheer numbers, and logistics become determining factors. If we put our troops on the battlefield, Russia's war with America will be over shortly after it starts. I'm pretty sure that's what President Trump just did. I think his patience in dealing with Russia is wearing thin.
But attacking shipping of a country with which you are not at war?
President Trump first made a genuine good faith effort, on behalf of both America and Ukraine, to stop the war in Ukraine. That was an act of pure generosity and kindness to everyone involved. President Putin's actions made it clear that he did want that. Russia has now entered into the "finding out" phase.
During President Trump's first term in office, the Russians and their mercenaries deliberately attacked American troops in Syria. Our Air Force then decided that a quick terraforming project was in order. By the time the shooting was over, there were no more Russian troops left. I'm sure some pieces of them were left somewhere, just not ones that anyone could ever identify.
International trade cannot exist as long as countries allow piracy.
From the age of sail to the present day, piracy has never stopped, nor has trade. Your assertion about this and all available evidence are at odds with each other. Shipping will become more costly at certain times and in certain places.
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#314 2026-01-08 02:33:18
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Ukraine... Unfortunately for them, they don't have the manpower and coordination to win a land war with Russia. Their actions in combat are admirable, but courage only takes you so far. The math doesn't work. At some point, training, sheer numbers, and logistics become determining factors.
Actually, Russia is losing. Historically, Russia fights long-term wars. Invasion started with Crimea in 2014; this one has barely lasted a single decade. However, in a long prolonged war, the invader gets progressively weaker, while the defender gets progressively stronger. The only way to win a prolonged war (as Russia has for centuries) is to erode their resources. But Europe is providing Ukraine with resources, so their resources will never be depleted.
Numbers are not what Russia claims them to be. Their much vaunted reserves of tanks proved to be exaggerated. Yes, they had 70,000 tanks... theoretically. But the money Russia spent to maintain them was taken by senior military officers to enrich themselves. They weren't maintained. Many had rusted so badly wheels will not turn, turrets will not turn. Upgrades to optics never happened. Russia has long since put all their tanks into Ukraine. Those that could be repaired easily, and optics installed as basically a go-pro strapped to the barrel, have been. Those that had optics but required upgrades, took longer. But they have been. All that's left are rusted hulk. Russia is not trying to see if they can scavenge parts from 3 tanks to get one that works well enough, that with a few new parts it can be put into service. Or scavenge 4 to make one, etc. Russian factories are making new tanks as fast as the can, but the total of scavenged plus new tanks thrown into Ukraine are fewer than the number Ukraine destroys every month. Numbers... Russia will never have as many tanks as they have now. Every month they have fewer and fewer tanks in combat. With nothing in reserve. Same for APCs, and other armoured vehicles.
Personnel: all highly trained, highly skilled Russian soldiers that took part in the initial invasion of February 2022 are either dead, or injured so badly they cannot fight. They're gone. Now Russia recruits middle age and senior citizens, over weight and drunks, gives them less than 2 weeks training, and throws them into the fight. Yes, there are some 18-year-olds. Putin tried to activate conscription (the draft) but got so much back-lash that he backed down. Now they offer sign-up bonuses, death benefits, and trick people into joining. Both death benefits and sign-up bonus are paid by local county government, not the Russian federal government. And many of them have run out of money, so those benefits and bonuses are not paid. When green recruits first show up, many have their sign-up bonus stolen by their commanding officer. Those who object, are tortured, then sent on a suicide mission. Not a highly risky mission, I said suicide. Running over open ground with no backup in broad daylight directly into a position known to be strongly held by the enemy, is not just "risky". A couple reasons Russians do this: when the point man is killed, that will reveal the enemy position. So fire on the Ukrainians. The point man will die, no chance of living, but counter-batteries operate quickly. Another reason is to soak up enemy ammunition. If a Ukrainian position runs out of ammo, then Russian troops can storm. It's called a "meat assault".
Ukraine knows Russia. 6 Russian soldiers die for every Ukrainian lost. On average. Training is one reason, tactics another. But Russia cannot withstand this. Russia took heavy losses in World War 1. This resulted in the Communist Revolution in 1917. And the Soviet Union attempted an arms race against the US in the 1980s. This resulted in economic collapse in 1989. That resulted in the Soviet Union breaking up. They weren't the only ones. In 1879 a revolutionary faction formed, and in 1881 assassinated the Tzar. But the Russian army put down the revolution. The army couldn't in 1917 because they were fully committed in WW1. During WW2, Russia was again pushed past the breaking point. The only reason Russia was able to hold itself together was massive aid from USA. Food aid, financial, weapons, vehicles, ammunition, etc. This time Russia is fully engaged in Ukraine. Russia couldn't assist Syria, couldn't assist Iran, couldn't assist Venezuela. They're committed. A large-scale revolution will topple the Russian government. Ukraine knows this, and Ukraine is actively working to make it happen. Ukraine is not risking large numbers of troops for land, instead ensuring Russia takes massive casualties while Ukraine takes minimal casualties. Meanwhile Ukraine has built factories to mass-produce missiles, drones, and sea drones. Ukraine is destroying Russia's oil infrastructure, which funds their military. And of course fuel is necessary for tanks, APCs, trucks, trains, ships, aircraft, etc. Without fuel, they can't operate. When Russia water, sewage, electricity, and heat fail, the Russian people will no longer support the war. This is already happening. A blackout across a large portion of Moscow on New Years Eve. Fuel shortages for private vehicles (cars, etc). Fuel costs dramatically increase. All will pressure Russians to no longer support their government.
Revolution will most likely happen when Oligarchs are no longer safe, and losing money. Already Putin is seizing assets from Oligarchs because he needs those assets to fund the war. When too many Oligarchs feel Putin won't protect them, when they believe Putin is their threat, they will turn against Putin.
I know, not the sort of war you're used to. But it's how Russia fights. Ukraine is turning Russia's assets into liabilities.
If we put our troops on the battlefield, Russia's war with America will be over shortly after it starts. I'm pretty sure that's what President Trump just did. I think his patience in dealing with Russia is wearing thin.
Would be nice. I certainly hope so.
President Trump first made a genuine good faith effort, on behalf of both America and Ukraine, to stop the war in Ukraine. That was an act of pure generosity and kindness to everyone involved. President Putin's actions made it clear that he did want that. Russia has now entered into the "finding out" phase.
Again, I certainly hope so.
From the age of sail to the present day, piracy has never stopped, nor has trade. Your assertion about this and all available evidence are at odds with each other. Shipping will become more costly at certain times and in certain places.
MV Ever Given was just one ship, stuck in the Suez Canal in July 2021. It halted trade for a few days through that canal. World trade was thrown in chaos. Now visualize many container ships like this seized by pirates.
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#315 2026-01-08 10:48:04
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Robert, it may very well turn out that I am too stupid to understand, but your "He Said", is against what others say.
There is a one Star American general from the gulf water that says, Ukraine cannot win and that the Russians will win.
So, it is "He said", "He said", "He said"....................................
Me being as lost as I am, it is a good thing that I am in charge of nothing.
I will say this against you Robert, you strike me as someone who could easily be convinced to go and be fodder on a killing field.
Did this guy turn Commie Russian and the American Government does not lock him up? https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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I am afraid I trust him more than you Robert.
Here is something that I am very unsure of as to be real and not deception but it is interesting. It is yet another "He Said":
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … c4719ce3ec NATO General: The TRUTH About the Seized Russian Ship | EM Burlingame & Blaine Holt
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OK, I am not in a position to want to bet my money or life on any certain view of reality.
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#316 2026-01-08 11:42:05
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Void,
Ukraine is getting supplies from Europe. They're also getting supplies from Canada (another NATO member), Japan and Australia. Under Biden, the US provided supplies to Ukraine, but now with Trump they're only selling to Europe at a profit. So include supplies from USA, paid by other countries.
Russia is getting supplies from North Korea and Iran. China is only selling to Russia at a profit, and they're not selling weapons. China is selling components that can be assembled into weapons, and doing so at a profit.
Ukraine has much stronger backers than Russia. As long as Ukraine's backers continue, they have a very good chance of winning. Furthermore, USA dropped bombs on Iran, and is now seizing tankers from Venezuela.
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#317 2026-01-08 12:14:12
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I almost think that I am not allowed to reply, but I will.
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Ukraine is getting supplies from Europe. They're also getting supplies from Canada (another NATO member), Japan and Australia. Under Biden, the US provided supplies to Ukraine, but now with Trump they're only selling to Europe at a profit. So include supplies from USA, paid by other countries.Russia is getting supplies from North Korea and Iran. China is only selling to Russia at a profit, and they're not selling weapons. China is selling components that can be assembled into weapons, and doing so at a profit.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk … r-AA1Rlhab
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So, certain powers want to misuse NATO to get conscripted people from other countries into the fight.
NATO is a defensive organization. Ukraine is not part of NATO. If some irresponsible people lead the Ukrainians on about this, I am sorry for them as they are victims.
But a pattern of irresponsible behaviors from Europeans and some Americans and maybe Canada, tells me we cannot partner in NATO anymore. It is like being with a community of irresponsible people who may lead you into a disaster.
Russia was never going to give up the Naval basing in Crimea. Had Ukraine simply given them sufficient permissions and had the Russian speakers been given internal autonomy, there is a good likelihood that this may not have happened at all.
The Russians probably have tons of Gold and other things they can use to get needed materials on black markets all over the globe.
But you may be right is this continues there is a possibility of a disruption of Russia. You want to do that again? Do you recall how well that worked out for the 20th century? IF we want the Russians and China to play at all they have to get something better than the destruction of their countries.
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What is the point of that sentence?
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#318 2026-01-08 12:45:51
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Tried to watch the video you linked. The speaker starts with a lie. He said (quoting the video you linked): "empire of lies that have been constructed over the last 3 1/2 years by the West to try to justify this pointless destructive war against Russia, at the expense of Ukraine and its people, is beginning to crumble."
This statement makes me angry. That statement starts with a lie. Russia invaded Ukraine. The West did not engage in war against Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is NOT part of Russia. Kyiv was founded in year 482, Moscow in 1147. Ukraine existed for 665 years before Moscow was founded. Moscow conquered land to expand, become Russia. Ukraine has seen what rule by Russia is like. Russia conquered Ukraine in the 1700s; kicked Ukrainians out of east Ukraine. Took their homes, their farms, their workshops, places of business, etc. Russia brought in Russian settlers to ensure Ukrainians didn't try to move back into their homes. Russia stole the wealth of Ukraine. After the Russian Communist revolution of 1917, many eastern European countries gained their freedom, including Ukraine. Ukraine was an independent country from 1917 until the first week of February 1922. In 1932/'33 Soviet Russia under Stalin enacted "Holodomor", which means death by starvation. Although Ukraine produced a surplus of food, the Russian army stole so much there was not enough left to feed Ukrainians. Before the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, official numbers stated 10 million Ukrainians died in Holodomor. After 1991, when Russia records were released, the number appeared much higher, closer to 30 million. Today Putin claims the number is "only" 7 million. Either way this means millions of Ukrainians died. Millions more fled Ukraine to the West to get away from Russia.
Ukraine is not part of Russia, and Ukraine is fighting for their lives.
Vladimir Putin has said he wants to put the Soviet Union back together. A part of Ukraine is not enough, he wants all of it. And realize from the first days of Moscow in 1147, Moscow has attack its neighbour, then force-conscripted (force drafted) citizens of that conquered country into the Russian army to be cannon fodder in their fight against their next target. Russia did this in February 2022, just prior to the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. All Ukrainian men in occupied areas age 15-55 who did not have a Russian passport, and all those who did have a passport but did not work in a job Russians consider vital infrastructure, were force-conscripted. From Russia's point of view this meant Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians. Any Ukrainians who refuse to follow orders were killed. Just one week into the full-scale invasion, Russia expanded the age range to 15-65. If Russia succeeds in conquering all of Ukraine, he will do that with all of Ukraine. All Ukrainian males age 15-65 who refuse to get a Russian passport, and all those do not work in a job Russia considers vital infrastructure, will be force-conscripted. Any soldiers in the Ukrainian army will refuse to obey Russian orders, so they will all be killed. Russia's next target will be Ukraine's allies, so many Ukrainian men will refuse. They will also be killed. Expect death camps on the scale of Auschwitz. Unfortunately, as we saw in occupied areas of Ukraine, some men will obey. When given the choice of do as they're told or be executed right there, some will do as they're told.
Putin alternates between threatening Poland or the Baltics. Which Russia attacks first doesn't matter, the other is next. So these countries are providing the most support for Ukraine. They know if Ukraine falls, they're next. So they provide more per capita than anyone else.
Russia intends to conquer and annex: Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia, Finland, Moldova, a narrow strip of Romania between Moldova and the Carpathian mountains. Belarus is currently an ally of Russia, but the citizens of Belarus do NOT want Russia to rule them. One reason Belarus did not provide any military assistance to Russia for the invasion was the citizens would have revolted. As it was, citizens of Belarus sabotaged rail lines so Russia couldn't use them to invade Ukraine. Many Belarus soldiers defected to Ukraine, and one entire Belarus battalion defected. So when Russia tries to annex Belarus, it will be war.
Russia will also annex Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan. And central Asia: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. They were all part of the Soviet Union. Poland and Finland were never part of the Soviet Union, but they were conquered by the Russia under the Tzars in the 1800s, and Soviet Russia sure tried. Russia invaded Poland 1917-1921, but failed. Russia also invaded Finland in 1939, the Winter War. Russia did take 9% of Finland.
Russia will not be satisfied. All the countries with "puppet" governments that the Soviet Union controlled, Russia wants to control again. This means they will invade: Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Albania, North Macedonia, Bulgaria, and the remainder of Romania.
Soviet Russia had a puppet government in East Germany, and Russia has expressed that they want Germany too. Germany is now united. It's a founding member of the European Union, and a major Western nation. If they conquer that, Russia will continue. They will conquer all of Europe, all the way to the Straight of Gibraltar, and Scandinavia and the UK.
Russia is NOT defending itself. Putin is trying to start World War 3. Russia (not just Putin) wants to be the sole world Superpower. Europe is providing support for Ukraine, because they know if Ukraine falls, they're next.
Oh, I should also mention. Russia also wants Alaska. Once America is weak, poor, isolated. Once America has broken all military alliances and offended all trading partners. Once Russia is strong and America is weak, then Russia will invade Alaska. Here is a billboard in Siberia. They're all over Russia. It's in Russian, it reads "Alaska is ours".
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#319 2026-01-08 13:15:23
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OK, you say someone if lying. Well maybe everyone is lying.
The Naval Base in Crimea, would really have been little problem. The "West" could have thrown them a bone.
The Russians do not have good ports. Various points of constriction are easily done if necessary.
Here is the basic problem. The United States had the power to nit together two very different parts. Dixie and the North. It was not easy.
The one is influenced by African and Latin behaviors and the other by Pseudo Asian peoples. Hard as it was we managed to get some level of comfort. We were compelled to work with NATO. But the "Europeans" are primarily the vestiges of the Roman Empire. Culturally incompatible with our true north.
1492 was a certain event. and various European powers have risen traveling North on the atlantic Coast of Europe. The UK was the last one.
the process is likely to continue. Why the Scandinavians are hooked to you Europe (Roman) is probably desperation. They must fear Russia. But the funny Joke is at least the Swedes are the "RUS".
I am the "RUS" to some small extent. But not a Russian. My loyalty is the USA.
The Europeans (Roman) are incapable of balancing between Asia and Africa. This asymmetry is incompatible with the culture of North America. The Europeans (Roman) are causing an imbalance that we cannot afford to support. There was some hope that East Europe and Russia could be gently assimilated into a larger Europe (Not only Roman).
The Greeks of history are a people we might have been able to partner with. India seems to be such a item as well in the current day.
In the America's there is some hope as a somewhat Latin people are coupled with a Pseudo Siberian people. But a lot of work and frankly hope is needed for that.
As I understand it the people of Argentina include Northern Italians, which are rather Frankish in nature, and Pseudo Siberians. That mix looks pretty good, I think they have potential. By the way, I want places like Argentina to develop as their path is to be. They are not a target of bad behaviors from us.
We loaned some of our unifying force to Europe (Roman), they misused it and started practicing conquest again.
It cannot be tolerated. We will draw our unifying force back to ourselves.
I am sure you found this post very strange. Reality is very strange, not necessarily the thing we may think it is.
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#320 2026-01-08 13:20:13
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Russia was never going to give up the Naval basing in Crimea. Had Ukraine simply given them sufficient permissions and had the Russian speakers been given internal autonomy, there is a good likelihood that this may not have happened at all.
Russia was told they could continue to operate bases in Crimea. Russia paid Ukraine to rent land for their bases; Ukraine expected that deal to continue. When Obama was US President, Biden was VP. Biden talked to Ukraine about joining NATO, but the rest of NATO would never have allowed that. Accepting a new member of NATO required unanimous consent of existing members. Hungary and Germany would never have allowed Ukraine to join, Turkey and at least one other may have objected as well, but didn't explicitly take a position. However, Russia jumped to the conclusion that Ukraine would join NATO after Euromaidan. Again, that was wrong, it would never have happened. But then Russia invaded Crimea, and those members of NATO who objected began to reconsider. Then later in 2014 Russia invaded Donbass, and those members reconsidered even more strongly. Then in 2022 the full-scale invasion; at that point the decision was made: Ukraine would join NATO. Let me repeat this point: Putin claimed invasion was to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, but before the Russia invaded there was not even a snowball's hope in hell that Ukraine would join. Now after the invasion, and because of the invasion, Ukraine will join NATO.
The Russians probably have tons of Gold and other things they can use to get needed materials on black markets all over the globe.
The Bell: Russia starts selling gold reserves
The Moscow Times: Russia’s National Welfare Fund at Risk of Depletion By 2026, Economists Warn
As of June 1, the fund held 2.8 trillion rubles (about $36.4 billion) in liquid assets, its lowest level since 2019. That figure represents a dramatic decline from the prewar peak of $113.5 billion in early 2022.
But you may be right is this continues there is a possibility of a disruption of Russia. You want to do that again? Do you recall how well that worked out for the 20th century? IF we want the Russians and China to play at all they have to get something better than the destruction of their countries.
This war could end today. Russia must remove all their troops from Ukraine. That means 1991 borders, Russia cannot keep anything.
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What is the point of that sentence?
Russia's allies are weak, and getting weaker. Venezuela cannot provide oil or any other means of support to Russia, and Iran's ability to support Russia has been diminished.
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It might be better if you let me finish a post before you reply.
Anyway, you see, we are drifting apart, and I think that is as it should be. I believe in a structure in reality. In time and space. I think it is like a magnetic field, but I cannot tell you what it is composed of, what sponsors, it.
But it cannot be that things will not change. So, it should not be strange to you that we might consider leaving NATO, and partnering with Russia. After all the Russians have lots of minerals, and they like money just as most people do.
If I had conquered Russia, I would import Russians so that they could live in it and be productive. There has never been a need to conquest Russia.
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#322 2026-01-08 14:46:57
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Void, you have been a member of this forum for many years. You are a valued member. But why on Earth would you even consider abandoning NATO and partnering with Russia? I tried to watch that video you posted again. It's 47 minutes and spouts absolute bullshit. I couldn't watch more than 2 1/2 minutes. Please stop watching crap like that.
Here's a video from Jake Broe. He's an American living in Los Vegas. He used to be a US air force officer, manning Minuteman III missiles. He now posts updates about the war in Ukraine; 3 videos per week, each about half an hour.
YouTube: Russians Losing Hope After Watching Venezuela Abandoned
The first background slide of the video is a Twitter (X) post from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. It includes a quote from J.K. Rowling, author of the Harry Potter books: "We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided."
There's also a graphic from Twitter, from the MoD of Ukraine. The MoD posts one of these per day, this is January 6, same day as the video. The red "+" are additional Russian losses in just one day. Eliminated personnel are on the Russian side only, including killed, captured, and wounded. To put this in perspective, on June 12, 2025, Russian personnel loss reached 1 million. Zelenskyy later said that was 250,000 Russian soldiers killed, 700,000 Russian soldiers wounded, and 50,000 non-Russians fighting for Russia. He also said 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed by that same date. Yea, Russians vs Ukrainians killed are not a ratio of 6:1, it's only 3.5:1, but you decide what that means.
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I have seen Douglass McGreggor say that the Ukrainians have lost much more and the Russians not that much.
I cannot say it is a quote, but my impression is Ukraine 8 to Russia 1.
But this conversation is not useful it is only annoying you and wasting my time.
I think I will resign from the conversation. Reality will do whatever is will do and the future belongs to hose who will be there.
Relax, and believe what you want to believe.
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