slavery - why does it still exist?

dicktice · 2003-04-09 16:56:29

Cindy:
Re. If everyone of the poor you hypothesize were spacetravel inventors, yes we would be on Mars, because that's where they spent all the money had.
Re. Wealth produces wealth--sure, because the rich have time to finagle and money to hire lawyers to help them avoid paying income, etc. taxes.
Relative little money, and lotsa' inventive love'll get us to Mars soonest ... by "us" I mean the ones who land on Mars, as well as the rest of us, naturally, who watch entranced....

Shaun Barrett · 2003-04-09 19:48:46

Thanks everybody for the well-reasoned and very understandable responses to the 'Herman Kahn' recipe for economic advancement. (Thanks in particular to Cindy for seeing Herman's side of the argument and defending it while I slept! )

I never really expected much support for this idea because (a) it is a broad and simplistic argument, as Clark pointed out, and (b) it flies so starkly in the face of the political persuasion of many of our friends here at New Mars!
This idea is really capitalism taken to extremes by giving it full rein to create wealth. It's total anathema to the followers of International Socialism.

Just by way of clarification, though, I don't think Herman's idea was to eliminate the middle classes. My impression at the time was that the full spectrum of economic levels would be represented between the richest and the poorest. And I assume full social mobility - up and down - would be an accepted corollary of the system since it's based on a free market.
Just before half the people here start jumping up and down yelling about how unscrupulous 'rich folks' (akin to lepers in many minds! ) will be the only ones with any freedom while the rest of us are condemned to wage slavery, I freely admit that such tremendous freedoms in the market would have to be balanced by correspondingly strict and strongly-enforced codes of behaviour.

I know many of you will be thinking that such a system would create opportunities for corruption on a huge scale. I have to agree with you. But there is no political system, past or present, that isn't corrupt to its core - that, unfortunately, is the nature of human affairs.
Control of the worst elements of human nature in Herman Kahn's system will be as imperfect as it is in any system, but the advantages of encouraging wealth creation without limit would include the eventual elimination of the worst elements of grinding poverty - hunger and disease.

I never meant to imply, by the way, that greed is a good thing. But it is one of the demons which humanity has never managed to banish. If we can't get rid of it, why not harness it and get the most out of it?

We know socialism doesn't work. Capitalism does work but has numerous flaws which need to be addressed on a day to day basis to prevent unacceptable excesses. That's O.K. We know nothing's perfect. But controlled capitalism just happens to be our best shot at prosperity.

I don't advocate corruption. Hell!! I'm an Aussie for God's sake - our national motto is "a fair go, mate"!!!
When I finally become dictator of the world, it'll be prosperity, freedom, colonies on Mars, a fair go for everybody ... oh, and free beer for the first week!!

Palomar · 2003-04-09 20:30:34

I don't advocate corruption. Hell!! I'm an Aussie for God's sake - our national motto is "a fair go, mate"!!!
When I finally become dictator of the world, it'll be prosperity, freedom, colonies on Mars, a fair go for everybody ... oh, and free beer for the first week!!

*I don't like beer. Can I have free strawberry daquiri's for a week? :laugh:

--Cindy

Shaun Barrett · 2003-04-09 23:16:36

Cindy writes:-

I don't like beer. Can I have free strawberry daquiris for a week? :laugh:

Yes ma'am ... as many as you like!! And may you drink them in the best of good health!

dicktice · 2003-04-10 08:16:58

Greed Power--yea!

George H · 2003-04-10 15:17:44

Greed Power--yea!

Well, they're like lust, always gonna be around. We just have to deal with, learn how to cope with them. Maybe we should put down lust too, hey yeah! Population control right?

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-05-16 15:20:02

an old topic

Can it be written into law that Slavery is banned on Mars?

Slavery the owning of a person's freedom, the ownership of a person as property. Slavery seems to have happened with every continent and culture on planet Earth it is still widespread in Africa, the issue of 'Forced Labours', Human trafficking happening at borders is sometimes described by news media as a form of slavery. In War the Germans put minority the Jewish to work in factories in brutal conditions, Imperial Japan in WW2 had death marches and Korean women were to give sexual services, White Western soldiers captured put to work in Japanese production centuries before this the Portuguese arrived in Asia, the Asian and Japanese slave women were even sold as concubines, the transatlantic slave trade, segment of the global slave trade that transported between 10 million and 12 million enslaved Africans. The Indian Ocean slave trade a multi culture of Slave Empires it was multi-directional and changed to different trades of different peoples over time. In zones of conflicts sometimes kids have their child hood taken away the Child Soldiers brainwashed and trained to murder, sometimes drugged up, violent and uneducated and used as weapons of war, Forced marriages or what can be described as pedophile crimes or early child 'marriages' are still common.

Will the topic of slavery ever be eliminated, 2003 and 21 years later we still have slavery today. If the Romans were still around today with space tech and eventually went to Mars would a guy like Spartacus revolt, Third Servile War

21 years ago Wars were expanding, the US on more friendly terms with Russia and Ukraine was not under invasion. People seen darkness in some of these years, seemed somewhat hopeful in 2003 it would improve, this period after 911 vs the Taliban in Afghanistan and it was as the US was starting another front with the invasion of Iraq, people expected to be on Mars soon. General Tommy Franks said the objectives of the invasion were, First, end the regime of Saddam Hussein. Second, to identify, isolate and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction but there were no WMDs it was all confusion, maybe a bluff by Saddam to scare Iran?
Bush junior had yet to announce his vision for Space Exploration, finish the ISS, launch all these science missions, retire the Shuttle and use the Moon as stepping stone to Mars.

unfortunately the world has got more oppressive, wars continue and slavery still exists

its also possible the USA is changing its role in the world, some say it can not be the world's UN or NATO acting as the world's sole 'Police Force' Obama pulled back from the jnr Bush policy but there was intervention in Libya, the rise of ISIS and War against the Islamic State, at times both Biden and Trump seemed somewhat isolationist.
Obama's military success noted was the killing of binLaden who was hiding in Pakistan, Trump was noted for ordering airstikes that may have killed ISIS leader al-Baghdadi, US began coordinating airstrikes with a Kurdish launched offensive in a complex evolving Middle East with lines redrawn across Arabia.

Today

Former Colombian beauty queen and actress found dead in Mexico after being kidnapped nearly a year ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ombia.html

Afghanistan women's national team exiled in Yorkshire call on FIFA to stop cowering to the Taliban
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football … a-32745336

an old discussion on another board

open slave markets in Libya
https://rogue-nation3.com/thread-1960.html

and a strange story

Algerian man found alive after 26 years in neighbour’s cellar

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg6766nzx39o

Mr Bin Omran told his rescuers he had at times seen his family from his prison, but claimed he had been unable to call out for help “because of a spell that his captor had cast on him”

Calliban · 2024-05-16 18:28:34

Slavery ended in the western world when we started using machines powered by coal. At that point, labour became progressively more skilled. Not really compatible with slavery. If slaves are being used for pure muscle power, it is quite an expensive form of power. Slave labour isn't free labour.

Slavery persists today in degenerate countries, mostly Islamic. Not because they need it, but because they like it that way. I think Mars should have a no-Islam policy. I don't see any benefit in importing those violent, abusive, lazy and degenerate people into the new world. Islam has brought nothing but suffering to humanity. It shouldn't be allowed to poison another planet.

clark · 2024-05-17 00:24:38

Calliban is a dip shut. Slavery didn't end with industrialization Slavery exists today because of power imbalance. Slavery persists because there is limited oversight . this thread is a joke.

Void · 2024-05-17 08:44:04

I think that for sure, greater Industrialization amplified the labor of people who might willingly make a contract to work. This surely reduced the power of the slave owner and made slavery relatively less profitable. Many people did not want slavery around, as if slave owners made a profit, they would then seek to take all the good land, and common people would be all the poorer.

A slave owner, regarding their slave as valuable property, might in some cases hire a poor non-slave to do the most dangerous and back breaking work.

Christianity and possibly Judaism in the Middle East resembled Islam in the Middle East for many undesired customs such as mutilation of females, and also the mutilation in a severe degree of male slaves. It to some degree was a thing of the Middle East, and not necessarily of Islam only, in those areas.

An increased disregard of the individuality of those who could be forced to submit.

The verbal skills of the area influencing the literature of the area, and also a very violent and evil nature displayed.

From time to time the sickness leaked into Europe and then into the Americas. There was profit in such nasty behaviors, so then the sickness could grow.

I used to be very down on the Roman Empire, but I now understand that it was to some degree a step up, and some degree a step down. They seem to never have quite gotten to an industrial revolution, but they might have come close.

There is some hint that their better behaviors were influenced by people of the Indo-Iranian types, and that when more people from the middle East appeared in Rome, things went to hell. But that was before Islam for the most part.

The Mediterranean Sea seems to have bred (Persons of degenerate practices, (Starts with "W")) over time, and people from the North would reset the situation to a better more elevated structure from time to time. But don't get me wrong, I do not see the Northern people as superior, rather that in the proper circumstances a linking of the Northern and Southern peoples can produce a preferred result.

This process is repeated in India to some extent.

I believe that the cruelty of the southern people is more continual, and relatively low key. In the north it is periodic, and periodically intense. But there is cruelty available to all if they seek it out, unfortunately.

The south uses verbal continuing feminine cruelty, and the north uses the periodic male cruelty. In my opinion. Some places have been relatively broken away from the methods of the Middle East, to join these. To some extent Europe and India were so. The Atlantic Coast fostered development of a more harmonious joining of these forces. And then some other places have so far been in such a development.

You need not be deceived, China is of the North, not the South as they might want the world to believe. Sub-Saharan Africa is of the south. But do not think of a binary, but rather a Y or a Delta. (Where is my medication?)

In the USA, unfortunately as the location of Washington DC has slipped from being in the Null Zone, into the South zone, the Democrat party has now tried to identify the north people as alien to America, and has tried to resetup a vertical principality of power for itself.

In their craving to set this up for themselves, they have not only sought to perpetuate their elite vertical rulership over their lower minions, but they have also tried to put the north peoples under their minions, and then to so rule without regard to decency.

But no, I am not by heritage a Republican, but I recall a different democrat party, where common people of the north were not harassed for the color of their skin or their gender or attempts to walk on their own hind paws morally.

A Representative Republic(s) is what we are, Democracy is an excuse for a slave patronage system. They have demonstrated it themselves. I did not want to believe it, but it is shown to be true.

Has the Republican Party done what it needs to do? Well, nobody is perfect, certainly not me. Unfortunately, I tend to not be as wise as a serpent, and not nearly as gentile as a dove.

If Calliban is a joke, Clark, then let's have a party! You should be happy.

Done

The same Democrat desire to subordinate the North in the USA, is further lived out by the pathological desire to attack the worlds North which includes Russia, Iran, and China. These people simply want vertical power, and do not respect the lives of individuals. But no, I would not trust my fate to the greater world north either.

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SpaceNut · 2025-07-27 14:10:35

Just a quick search on "Modern day slave" more of a than have not issue that takes advantaqge of those that do not have.

AI Overview
Modern-day slavery: an overview
While chattel slavery, where people are legally owned as property, has been outlawed globally, millions of individuals still experience situations that constitute modern-day slavery. This term encompasses various forms of exploitation where a person is controlled and exploited for another's gain, unable to leave due to threats, violence, coercion, or deception.
According to the latest Global Estimates of Modern Slavery (2022) by Walk Free, the International Labour Organization (ILO), and the International Organization for Migration, approximately 49.6 million people are living in modern slavery worldwide.
Forms of modern slavery
Modern-day slavery takes numerous forms, including:
Forced Labor: This involves individuals compelled to work against their will under threat of penalty. It affects 27.6 million people globally. Examples include exploited workers in factories, agriculture, construction, domestic work, and other sectors.
Bonded Labor or Debt Bondage: Individuals are forced to work to repay a debt they can't escape due to exploitative terms. This is considered the world's most widespread form of slavery.
Forced Marriage: When someone is married against their will and cannot leave. This affects an estimated 22 million people, with 65% in Asia and the Pacific.
Sex Trafficking: Exploitation in the commercial sex industry, including prostitution, pornography, and other forms. This accounts for 6.3 million cases of forced labor, according to the U.S. Department of State.
Domestic Servitude: Individuals forced to work in private homes, often isolated and vulnerable to abuse.
Child Slavery: The exploitation of children under 18, encompassing child trafficking, child soldiery, child marriage, and child domestic work.
Root causes and factors
Several factors contribute to the prevalence of modern slavery:
Vulnerability: Poverty, lack of education, discrimination (based on race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or migration status), and insecurity make individuals susceptible to exploitation.
Conflict and Instability: Protracted conflicts, political instability, and forced migration increase the risk of both forced labor and forced marriage.
Economic Factors: The demand for cheap goods and services in the global economy fuels forced labor in supply chains.
Weak Governance: Limited protections for civil liberties and human rights, along with weak law enforcement, allow traffickers to operate with impunity.
Corruption: Bribery and complicity among officials can enable human trafficking.
Impact of modern slavery
Beyond the devastating impact on victims, modern slavery has broader consequences:
Economic Impact: It undermines legitimate economies, with human trafficking being a lucrative illicit business generating billions of dollars in illegal profits.
Environmental Impact: Slave-based activities like deforestation and unregulated resource extraction contribute to environmental degradation.
Combating modern slavery
Numerous organizations and governments are working to combat modern slavery through:
Prevention: Raising awareness, educating vulnerable communities, and addressing root causes like poverty and discrimination.
Intervention: Identifying victims, rescuing them from exploitation, and providing them with support and protection.
Prosecution: Enforcing laws, prosecuting traffickers, and holding accountable those who profit from exploitation.
Policy Change: Advocating for stronger legislation, improved worker protections, and greater corporate accountability in supply chains.
While progress is being made, the fight against modern slavery is ongoing and complex. A multi-faceted approach addressing the root causes, enhancing prevention and intervention efforts, and strengthening legal frameworks is essential to achieve a world free from slavery.

Working for minimum wage rather than a living wage puts one into this situation.

Void · 2025-07-27 18:32:51

You can thank the "Service Industry" for that.

A story of American survival is told as how the south agreed to sell the industrial north of the USA to China, to get cheap labor and undercut the union movement.

Taken as a cold-blooded decision, actually I approve of it. It pulled China away from the Soviet Union, and so made our survival as a nation more possible, and it undercut the unions. I have limited approval of unions myself. But I don't want a dictatorship of the proletariat. I approve of cutting-edge companies, such as Elon Musk fosters being non-union, but only if they are cutting edge to benefit the society.

I worked at a research facility for quite a time. I can assure you that feather bedding is just as much in the white collar side as for the blue collar side. But a guy like Elon Musk will favor none of it. If a company is not formulated to make a comfy chair for the white-collar elite, then I can better accept a non-union character for it.

Minimum wage has it's value. Training jobs for the young, 16 to 26 I might think. For the retired, maybe extra cash might make life better, and some of them may want something to do.

For those who are challenged by some reduced ability, even then a part time job may offer dignity and some spending change.

But for jobs that offer a "Living Wage", there must be an economy which can be productive. You cannot share a pie if no pie is made.

The service industry is just not productive enough to employ everyone in a "Living Wage". You must have the amplification that technological-industrial structure can offer.

So, Trump is doing the correct thing now.

I have an ambiguous feeling about Ronald Reagan. He did rally the nation, and he made the dirty deal which rusted the rust belt and perhaps preserved America, and may have contributed to the collapse of the Soviet "Block". But he did arrogantly think of common people as unworthy, and gleefully offered all of these low productivity "Service Jobs".

Service jobs mean servant jobs, and in the way of Darwin, eventually slavery.

Thankfully we are beyond that and can reindustrialize and become even more technologically proficient.

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SpaceNut · 2025-07-28 14:53:25

But for jobs that offer a "Living Wage", there must be an economy which can be productive. You cannot share a pie if no pie is made.

China is not the US freind as corporate greed to create profit is driving what was once made here now to overseas, where the real slaves live now. Tarrifs do not make those jobs come back.Only taxing the companies that leave the US will.

Void · 2025-07-28 20:13:04

We need more evidence, and time can give that.

If you recall Peter Zeihan indicated that after WWII American having been the fortunate "Last One Standing", made the choice to open its markets, and to protect shipping, so that some of the Europeans and East Asians would play ball with the so called "Democratic West".

1945 + 85 = 2030 We are on the other side of the time dial. Bet you never thought of that or thought to think of it.

The Tariffs on the UK, Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, EU, may be tolerable for a level of trade.

We have four situations. 1) Little or no Tariffs, 2) Rising Tariffs, 3) High Tariffs, 4) Falling Tariffs.

From the American side, it is #2 at this time, for our major trade partners, it seems to be #4. The magnitude of tariffs may not be so high that the damage will be severe.

But collected Tariffs, can be used to pay down debt, or to finance technological advancements, or as money to citizens if the economy needs stimulation, in the case of deflation. But you are expecting inflation.

Suppose the average tariff were 15%. This may lead to an eventual 15% inflation, but if it is stretched over 7 years that would be about 2.1% inflation, which is very close to the magic number the fed supposedly tries for.

And yet the government collects the Tariff, which it can apply to budgeting. Further inflation on basic foods, should not be a big problem, and also on Gas for Cars.

If we sell more Natural Gas and Oil to Europe and I guess maybe East Asia, then that is added revenue. But that could raise prices for Americans. But Trump is trying to remove obstacles to increased Hydrocarbon production.

So, we will have to see.

Canada may or may not end up shipping more resources to us, as they are literally "Going for broke". I have no joy in the torment of Canada, but it seems to be in the cards. America would be foolish to pass up such an offer, both Canada and the USA can make bucks off of that, and supply Europe and East Asia in part.

The investment of others into our country should increase employment. The removal of at least the dangerous element of illegal aliens should reduce law enforcement costs in the long run. That also will increase jobs and housing for those who are legal and those who at least do not make themselves troublesome.

And as I have said the Tariff fund may give a lot of latitude to trim the sailing of the ship of state.

The testing of our people a form of eugenics which I severely dislike may be reduced. For instance, the bad choices that common citizens have been persuaded to abide to is like a "Vile Cup of Vomit" that they have been encouraged or even forced to drink from. A poison which robs them of full life, just because evil people think that we have too many people and that those that we have are unworthy to live.

I have been told that "The mills of God grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.

Strategically I think we can try out the Tariffs and see how it goes.

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SpaceNut · 2025-07-29 15:03:33

We have had inflation at the rate you have discribed and its not reversing the cost that we pay.

AI Overview
The inflation rate in the United States from 1930 to the present day (July 2025) has seen significant fluctuations, with an average annual inflation rate of approximately 3.16%. This has resulted in a substantial increase in the cost of goods and services over the past 95 years. For example, an item that cost $1 in 1930 would cost about $19.25 today, according to a calculator from In2013dollars.com.
Inflation and CPI Consumer Price Index 1930-1939
Here's a more detailed look:
1930s:
The early 1930s saw deflation (negative inflation), with the inflation rate dropping to as low as -10.3% in 1932. This was followed by a period of low inflation in the later years of the decade.
1940s - 1960s:
The inflation rate generally increased during and after World War II, with fluctuations throughout the 1950s and 1960s.
1970s - 1980s:
The 1970s were marked by high inflation, peaking in the late 70s and early 80s, before declining in the latter half of the 1980s.
1990s - Present:
The inflation rate has generally been lower since the 1990s, with some fluctuations, but overall remaining within a relatively moderate range. According to Investopedia, the annual inflation rate has varied, but generally remained below 5% since the early 1990s. Cumulative Impact:
The cumulative effect of inflation over the entire period from 1930 to the present is a significant increase in the overall price level. This means that goods and services that were affordable in 1930 require significantly more money to purchase toda

Historical U.S. Inflation Rate by Year: 1929 to 2025

Year Inflation Rate YOY, From Previous Dec. Federal Funds Rate Business Cycle* Events Affecting Inflation
1929 0.60% NA August peak Market crash
1930 -6.40% NA Contraction (-8.5%) Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act
1931 -9.30% NA Contraction (-6.4%) Dust Bowl began
1932 -10.30% NA Contraction (-12.9%) Hoover tax hikes
1933 0.80% NA Contraction ended in March (-1.2%) FDR’s New Deal
1934 1.50% NA Expansion (10.8%) U.S. debt rose
1935 3.00% NA Expansion (8.9%) Social Security
1936 1.40% NA Expansion (12.9%) FDR tax hikes
1937 2.90% NA Expansion peaked in May (5.1%) Depression resumed
1938 -2.80% NA Contraction ended in June (-3.3%) Depression ended
1939 0.00% NA Expansion (8.0%) Dust Bowl ended
1940 0.70% NA Expansion (8.8%) Defense increased
1941 9.90% NA Expansion (17.7%) Pearl Harbor
1942 9.00% NA Expansion (18.9%) Defense spending
1943 3.00% NA Expansion (17.0%) Defense spending
1944 2.30% NA Expansion (7.9%) Bretton Woods Agreement
1945 2.20% NA February peak, October trough (-1.0%) WWII ends
1946 18.10% NA Contraction (-11.6%) Budget cuts
1947 8.80% NA Contraction (-1.1%) Cold War spending
1948 3.00% NA November peak (4.1%)
1949 -2.10% NA October trough (-0.6%) Fair Deal; NATO
1950 5.90% NA Expansion (8.7%) Korean War
1951 6.00% NA Expansion (8.0%)
1952 0.80% NA Expansion (4.1%)
1953 0.70% NA July peak (4.7%) Korean War ended
1954 -0.70% 1.25% May trough (-0.6%) Dow returned to 1929 high
1955 0.40% 2.50% Expansion (7.1%)
1956 3.00% 3.00% Expansion (2.1%)
1957 2.90% 3.00% August peak (2.1%) Recession began
1958 1.80% 2.50% April trough (-0.7%) Recession ended
1959 1.70% 4.00% Expansion (6.9%) Fed raised rates
1960 1.40% 2.00% April peak (2.6%) Recession began
1961 0.70% 2.25% February trough (2.6%) JFK’s deficit spending ended recession
1962 1.30% 3.00% Expansion (6.1%)
1963 1.60% 3.50% Expansion (4.4%)
1964 1.00% 3.75% Expansion (5.8%) LBJ Medicare, Medicaid
1965 1.90% 4.25% Expansion (6.5%)
1966 3.50% 5.50% Expansion (6.6%) Vietnam War
1967 3.00% 4.50% Expansion (2.7%)
1968 4.70% 6.00% Expansion (4.9%)
1969 6.20% 9.00% December peak (3.1%) Nixon took office; moon landing
1970 5.60% 5.00% November trough (0.2%) Recession
1971 3.30% 5.00% Expansion (3.3%) Wage-price controls
1972 3.40% 5.75% Expansion (5.3%) Stagflation
1973 8.70% 9.00% November peak (5.6%) End of the gold standard
1974 12.30% 8.00% Contraction (-0.5%) Watergate scandal
1975 6.90% 4.75% March trough (-0.2%) Stopgap monetary policy confused businesses and kept prices high
1976 4.90% 4.75% Expansion (5.4%)
1977 6.70% 6.50% Expansion (4.6%)
1978 9.00% 10.00% Expansion (5.5%)
1979 13.30% 12.00% Expansion (3.2%)
1980 12.50% 18.00% January peak (-0.3%) Recession began
1981 8.90% 12.00% July trough (2.5%) Reagan tax cut
1982 3.80% 8.50% Contraction (-1.8%) Recession ended
1983 3.80% 9.25% Expansion (4.6%) Military spending
1984 3.90% 8.25% Expansion (7.2%)
1985 3.80% 7.75% Expansion (4.2%)
1986 1.10% 6.00% Expansion (3.5%) Tax cut
1987 4.40% 6.75% Expansion (3.5%) Black Monday crash
1988 4.40% 9.75% Expansion (4.2%) Fed raised rates
1989 4.60% 8.25% Expansion (3.7%) S&L crisis
1990 6.10% 7.00% July peak (1.9%) Recession
1991 3.10% 4.00% March trough (-0.1%) Fed lowered rates
1992 2.90% 3.00% Expansion (3.5%) NAFTA drafted
1993 2.70% 3.00% Expansion (2.7%) Balanced Budget Act
1994 2.70% 5.50% Expansion (4.0%)
1995 2.50% 5.50% Expansion (2.7%)
1996 3.30% 5.25% Expansion (3.8%) Welfare reform
1997 1.70% 5.50% Expansion (4.4%) Fed raised rates
1998 1.60% 4.75% Expansion (4.5%) Long-term capital management crisis
1999 2.70% 5.50% Expansion (4.8%) Glass-Steagall Act repealed
2000 3.40% 6.50% Expansion (4.1%) Tech bubble burst
2001 1.60% 1.75% March peak, November trough (1.0%) Bush tax cut; 9/11 attacks
2002 2.40% 1.25% Expansion (1.7%) War on Terror
2003 1.90% 1.00% Expansion (2.8%) Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act
2004 3.30% 2.25% Expansion (3.8%)
2005 3.40% 4.25% Expansion (3.5%) Hurricane Katrina; Bankruptcy Act
2006 2.50% 5.25% Expansion (2.8%)
2007 4.10% 4.25% December peak (2.0%) Bank crisis
2008 0.10% 0.25% Expansion (0.1%) Financial crisis
2009 2.70% 0.25% June trough (-2.6%) American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
2010 1.50% 0.25% Expansion (2.7%) Affordable Care Act; Dodd-Frank Act
2011 3.00% 0.25% Expansion (1.6%) Debt ceiling crisis
2012 1.70% 0.25% Expansion (2.3%)
2013 1.50% 0.25% Expansion (2.1%) Government shutdown, sequestration
2014 0.80% 0.25% Expansion (2.5%) Quantitative easing ends
2015 0.70% 0.50% Expansion (2.9%) Deflation in oil and gas prices
2016 2.10% 0.75% Expansion (1.8%)
2017 2.10% 1.50% Expansion (2.5%)
2018 1.90% 2.50% Expansion (3.0%)
2019 2.30% 1.75% Expansion (2.5%)
2020 1.40% 0.25% Contraction (-2.2%) COVID-19 pandemic
2021 7.00% 0.25% Expansion (5.8%) COVID-19 pandemic
2022 6.50% 4.50% Expansion (1.9%) Russia invades Ukraine
2023 3.40% 5.50% Expansion (2.5%) Fed raised rates
2024 2.9% 4.48% Expansion (2.8%)

In my half life time I have seen the textile, shoe, general manufacturing, commercial electronics all gone overseas to bypass regulations, taxation and labor costs all in the name of profits and not the cost to the consumers that buy them.

Void · 2025-07-29 16:31:51

Perhaps I am not understanding your point sir.

As I understand it those running the economy never want to see inflation less than 2%. Otherwise, deflation is risked.

Also, yes, it allows companies to raise their prices in order to get profits.

It is how this world works. If you can do better, and you have a army who will obey you, perhaps you can change that. I would rather you do not.

The game is as it is. Somehow, we generally have food, cloths, etc. It can be so much worse, and is in many other places.

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Calliban · 2025-07-30 01:11:18

How Islam conquered a large part of the world.
https://youtu.be/A-63e5l10mQ

This should be taught in every western school.

Void · 2025-07-30 21:52:52

I have been quite aware of these things for some time.

I try to some extent to drill down deeper even than the particular religion.

I regard that the location of Iraq is the center of crappy male blood lines. Selfish and only able to exercise speaking and killing. Verbal and Violent.

By allowing crappy men to sleep with most or all of the women, the children will come to lack talents that would be needed to generate wealth to support a civilization.

So, I have two vectors for Greater Europe. From Archaic and damaged male lines in the Middle East, and to talented peoples on the coast of the North Sea.

For the middle east it is as if a fine wine had been converted to a polluted vinegar. Useless without oil or other captive wealth. And such captive wealth had to be brought to the surface by talented westerners.

While I am not Catholic, I value what they did by limiting Polygamy in Europe. This allowed more diversity of talents to persist in Europe. So, we owe to bow in thanks for that. (Lutherans and most Protestants followed their lead or continued it).

This is why I am interested in East Asians, as I feel that they have not been polluted by the bad male blood lines of the Middle East.

I am also interested in the Hindu people, who though the cast system have maintained genetic diversity. I do not particularly support the cast system but I have never been appointed to be a god of any kind. So, it is as it is and I am not the master of it that I could alter it. But I could make use of it should they like to allow it.

Many of the remnants of the Native Americans can be useful to us. Mexico is a blend of Iberian and Siberian, which although they claim to be Latin, they really are only partially so. Similar is for much of the Spanish parts of South America, and also Chile and Argentina, where I believe native blood is about 25% of the genome. So from my point of view they are potentially people we can work with successfully.

I have that one vector which is an arrow that points from the polluted Middle East to the West Europeans, but I also draw a line from East Asian to Kongo. Which I call Red-Blue. I draw a line from Rome to Moscow which I call Green-Orange.

I see that the British and the Latins insist on having war with Moscow and try to trick America into a war with the Orange Throne. I am not at peace with that at all.

I fear that the British have been infiltrated by the Archaic from the Middle East far too much and are compromised.

In this game, you have to recognize that in the Middle East, things like Genital Mutilation were practiced not only by Muslims but also Christians and Jews.

The Copts were said to be Christian but facilitated the infiltration of Islam into Christian areas. They would be welcomed as claiming to be Christian but then held the door open to the Slimy Male Types.

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It is my opinion that in America, crappy males are outbreeding talented ones now, as the female choice for males is to breed an dirty animal for the stone age, and on the other hand the average male selection might breed females that are like children.

But we are breeding for the stone age at this time. Technological Skills and industries skills will be replaced by ape-men with clubs. (Managerial class).

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tahanson43206 · Yesterday 06:12:05

This topic goes back to 2003 .... I just scanned the first page of posts, and found notable early members in discussion....

It is 20 years later, and one of the posters imagined the government visiting every work place where immigrants are working and removing them. That poster foresaw that Americans would not take the vacated jobs.

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Void · Yesterday 08:52:46

We will have to see about that.

We will likely have humanoid robots soon to fill such jobs and other types of robots.

If your primary skills are deceptive conversations, and killing people, then you are not very much good to a modern society anyway.

The consequences of a lustful greedy history of breeding may be a punishment to the children of such a history.

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SpaceNut · Yesterday 14:38:47

second time the charm.

Had a pretty good post going and the browser close.

Part of the issue is employer past history as to why people are not storming the gate for the jobs.

ex. season shutdowns or layoffs with no callback once reasons for these are fixed or no longer called for, small to medium layoffs that occur often enough to question how solid is the paycheck likely to get deposited and was it to target the older generation that earns more, switching out employees that were full time for part time no benifits from multiple people to fill the hours.

Sending the business overseas for no reason other than to make greater profits, the age out of the work force due to available local work force pool.

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