Interworld Para Terraforming

Void · 2024-11-21 23:27:46

As I would like to try to get some more sleep, I will do this item to get it out of my head:

The collection is intended to be a stick rotor in the line of thinking of Dr. Johnsons creativity.

But the rotor could be stopped and one end pointed at the sun during fears of a solar storm.

This is a sort of thinking of safety in numbers. You could have four Lunar Starship cabins each facing the sun, and each grabbing some primary radiation, or you could line a bunch of them up, and allow the crew/passengers to redistribute according to the radiation situation.

Granted, it would take resources to downspin the stick for a radiation storm and then to upspin it when the all clear occurs. But I actually am hoping for matching counter rotating sticks so that you could mostly do that by motors and brakes. Even then, I expect that their will be some gyroscopic effects in the change event as the two sticks will not be on the same center of rotation, so you would have to have some thruster activity to compensate for that.

During a nospin situation, I am hoping that plumbing rooms can have a very mild amount of spin gravity to deal with body functions that are not desirable as a group activity.

I anticipate that the whole set of structure will be propelled by something like Magdrive or Neumann Drive, and that an appropriate power supply will power everything.

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Void · Yesterday 12:52:46

OK, so I have tried to suggest a way(s) to work with tiny worlds like Phobos to perhaps gain economical technical methods for benefit to the interests of Humans.

The space industry is seeking to find ways to make delivery to LEO more economical.

I want to cast an eye onto the Moon again now. I am not going to be sure that I can come up with a worthy amount of improvement for access to the Moon, but I will at least try.

My mother had the nickname "Oppizika", as in conversations she might argue a different line of thinking than what was being presented. Perhaps I have inherited a bit of that.

To a degree, I am going to advocate for access to the lower latitudes of the Moon rather than the poles. I think that the poles should be accessed as well, but I am attracted to the idea that the equator is more accessible, and it may be a bit easier to lift resources from the Equator than the poles, if propulsion methods are similar.

I also want to try to find more advantage for the use of Metha-Lox engines in accessing the Moon.

I am imagining a future where the propulsion of a Starship from LEO to Moon orbit, will primarily be done with metal propellants, to conserve liquid propellants, and in hopes of efficiency.

Aluminum and Iron are among the more desired materials. Having Carbon some Iron products would be possible.

What I am hoping for is the manufacture of solid rockets from Metals, and to be mostly filled with a paste of LOX and Aluminum powder. But I might think these would preform better if small amounts of organic materials such as plastics perhaps could be included. This would provide Hydrogen and Carbon compounds that I think would improve the performance.

The greater desire may be to transport as little Methane and Oxygen from LEO to the Moon orbits as is practical.

I am currently aiming at Plastics and Pyrolysis. It is my understanding that plastics subjected to Pyrolysis can produce Methane. Here is one article about it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 7021004071
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From plastics to methane and carbon spheres: The evolution of pyrolysis products during pyrolysis under autogenic atmosphere
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So, I have already suggested that Moon ships could have one time landing legs made of Plastics, maybe wood.

I have also previously suggested dropping cargo from a ship prior to the landing. Of course, if it is an organic material, it cannot gain so much speed and momentum as to completely vaporize. However, melting might be acceptable, as if it were in the Lunar night it should cool to a solid rapidly.

I am going to suggest something that at least has a bit of humor in it, at least for me. I like Styrofoam beads packed big plastic bags. And I like an inclined impact for them. These could be attached to the outside of a Moonship and released over an inclined crater rim. If the materials melt, then some volatiles will be lost to the vacuum of the Moon.

I don't know what to inflate the beads with. If it is Lunar Oxygen, then perhaps they will ignite. I don't want that. Maybe CO2 would be good. I anticipate these beads being created in a space station, so that a Starship could lift Polystyrene to orbit in a condensed form.

And so, then working with Lunar Starship, Methane created from dropped Styrofoam, might refuel the ship. But Oxygen could also be extracted from the Moons regolith to also fill the Starship.

I have to wonder if you mixed Polystyrene with fine regolith and subjected it to Pyrolysis, perhaps from sunlight, if you could extract the Oxygen from the regolith indirectly by creating CO2 and H20, and reduced regolith?

The organics then could be treated by various potential means to create Methane and Oxygen. The means could involve algae or be more like that intended for Mars.

This may do a shortcut, where you do not have to engage as much electrolysis to extract Oxygen from regolith. There will inevitably be losses, but actually if you kept growing Algae, you could keep subjecting it to regolith pyrolysis. And then grow Algae, in a loop.

If you grow Algae, you might grow mushrooms, so then a food. Some algae might be consumable as well.

Pause.........Coffee..............

The use of Metalysis on the reduced regolith, might reduce the amount of energy needed to extract substances desired. I am not sure. These rockets then could be attached to a Moonship like the Starship, and would hopefully lift their own weight, and it could be hoped they would do better than that.

Depending on needs the Moonship would only be provided just a bit more than needs to low orbit, to assist the assembly to such a low orbit. The solids would not be ejected. An orbital tug would come and get the assembly and bring it to an orbital factory. The burned out solids would be treated as a resource to provide metal propellants for the tug and other spacecraft. They might run on Magdrive or Neumann Drive.

As the orbital factory would also be delivered Polystyrene, it could use Pyrolysis to manufacture Methane for the Starship to return to the Moon, without the solids and with bags of Styrofoam to drop.

An interesting cargo, that Starship could also bring up to the orbital factory might be Iron Oxide. This then can provide Oxygen and Iron. Perhaps other Oxides as well could be carried to orbit by the Moonships.

So, I am hoping that this process could be a path to getting Oxygen and Metals from the Moon, at a competive cost.

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The solids would have power but not be able to steer and also might not be able to circularize their orbits. But the Moonship would be able to do that for them.

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Void · Yesterday 15:54:12

So, a modified Starship might become a Moonship. If it is to be filled both at the orbital station and on the surface of the Moon, then its tanks can be downsized quite a bit, I anticipate. And I think the engines could be downscaled as well.

So, less dry mass. I suppose to get these to orbit, you might pancake 2 or 3 of these, where the propellants would have routing to feed the raptors on the bottom one. Then when in LEO, you would unstack them, and change out the engines.
I am betting you don't need so many raptors, and also you might buy smaller engines from a different rocket vendor.

These are probably going to land on a landing pad, so you could use the tail engines to land.

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I think this could be better than a mass driver system, at least at the beginning.

I think that a mass driver could be further in the future, if need for great masses of materials become apparent.

In reality with the ship system, you could simply make more ships to bring the mass flow up.

So, a Moonship might have tanks 1/2 to 1/3 the size of the current Lunar Starship. So, it would not be as tippy.

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Void · Yesterday 20:53:32

Of course there are several video's here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRMkYy … feDtrQgcTA
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But this one deals with power cables on the Moon, a power grid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV4jk9cIHbo Quote:

Electric Power Transmission Cables On The Moon
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It is good to know what has been figured out?

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