Militarization -Before- Colonization?

kbd512 · 2021-12-03 22:03:16

SpaceNut,

I don't think militarization of space is a good use of limited available resources. There's no point to fighting over limitless resources. That's like two siblings fighting over chicken nuggets while both of them are sitting in front of a 5 gallon bucket filled to the top with chicken nuggets.

There are some 2,000 cubic miles of Ethane / Methane / Propane sitting on Titan. Someone going to Titan and laying claim to all the liquid hydrocarbon there is an absurdity. There's enough product there for all of humanity to use for the next 250 to 500 years or so.

Terraformer · 2021-12-05 11:14:59

Hmm. Titan, the plastics moon?

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-07 08:08:14

China is rapidly becoming a 'tremendous threat' in the solar system, says US Space Force leader
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/chin … em-2021-12

Some previous discussions on this Space Navy, the Political motivation, Astronaut Imperialism, Space Military style topic, there was also discussion recently on newmars on the recent Russian ASAT test and the almost random trajectories created with their cloud of space debris. The satellite Kosmos-1408 was destroyed in a Russian anti-satellite weapon test on 15 November 2021, resulting in space debris in orbits between 300 and 1,100 km (190 and 680 mi) above the Earth. The threat of potential collision with debris caused the crew of the International Space Station (ISS) to take shelter in their escape capsules for the first few passes of the debris cloud, and increased the future risk of a debris collision with the ISS or other low earth orbit satellites.

The Outer Space Treaty, which Russia has ratified, bans some types of military activities in space, but not anti-satellite missiles using conventional warheads.

https://en.wikipedia.org

NASA administrator Bill Nelson stated that: "With its long and storied history in human spaceflight, it is unthinkable that Russia would endanger not only the American and international partner astronauts on the ISS, but also their own cosmonauts", and the "actions are reckless and dangerous, threatening as well the Chinese space station"

Space the next Battlefield - Can we avoid with a new space Race
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=712

Also the 'Space Force' there is a thread on newmars called

Trump Proposes U.S. ‘Space Force’ to Guard the Galaxy

The Biden and Kamala Harris Admin have continued with Trump's SpaceForce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_force
A space force is a military branch of a nation's armed forces that conducts military operations in outer space and space warfare. The world's first and, as of 2021, only independent space force is the United States Space Force, established on 20 December 2019.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-04-05 05:00:02

Op-ed | Russian aggression underscores need for greater U.S. space leadership
by Christian Zur and Scott Kordella

https://spacenews.com/op-ed-russian-agg … eadership/

kbd512 · 2022-04-06 11:09:58

Mars_B4_Moon,

From the article:

Christian Zur and Scott Kordella are founding members of the newly formed Commercial Space Initiative (CSI), a non-profit organization dedicated to predictable and sustainable uses of outer space.

What are some "sustainable uses" of an empty void so large that humanity doesn't possess the equipment to detect where or if it ever ends?

Are we talking about properly disposing of all the BS that flows from the mouths of those who are supposed to represent us?

If so, then I have news for him- not even the known universe is big enough. So, yeah, that's never going to be a "sustainable use" of all that empty space. Any other activity is probably limited only by human ingenuity.

Is someone at this "non-political think tank" worried that human CO2 emissions in space will inevitably lead to "universal warming"?

If so, then see my response to the "sustainable use" nonsense statement.

Are we worried that those evil asteroid mining companies will "destroy the universe", right after those evil oil companies "destroy the planet"?

Forget about whatever the "sustainable uses" of a functionally endless hard vacuum are supposed to be, if only for a moment. Let's talk about "predictable uses" of that endless empty space. Who accurately predicted 70 years ago that our homeless people would be walking around with Star Trek communicator / tricorder devices, and that children and adults alike would be so mesmerized by those little devices that they'd get run over by cars because of it?

Since such malarkey is truly what our "thought leaders" have become fixated on, how are they supposed to become advocates for something that requires more functional brain cells than they were born with, or at least an IQ above room temperature?

Christian is a founding member and Vice President of Policy at the Commercial Space Initiative (CSI). CSI is a non-political think tank with the goal of developing thought leadership among governmental, commercial, and international partners through research, programming, and advocacy. The organization focuses on the various enablers and impediments to the growth of the domestic and international commercial space industry.

Commercial Space Enablers:
1. orbital launch cost approaching air freight prices
2. force the government to cease and desist with the practice of over-paying for commodity launch services
3. not relying on any government to do anything for commercial space exploration, except to screw it up or make it unaffordable

Commercial Space Impediments:
1. Congress seeing space exploration as a jobs program for them to "bring home the bacon", rather than "simply getting the job done at reasonable cost, in a pragmatic way"
2. Government-mismanaged programs that produce orbital launch cost greatly exceeding the costs associated with purchasing a commercial airliner and then tossing it into the ocean after a single 8 minute flight (whenever the government is involved, the only guarantee is that the program is mismanaged)
3. Pandering to radical environmental "religiosity" zealots with no real interest in space or improving any aspect of humanity, because it doesn't assist them in their tireless crusade against humanity and brain-dead self-hatred

We don't need "advocacy" or "programming", we need someone who is not a career politician, someone who is a professional engineer as opposed to a professional BS artist, to do something mildly useful, or minimally non-self-destructive, for both America and humanity. If this guy ever thought he would find any such people in Washington, DC, well... There's your problem. Get away from the beltway. Then and only then you might encounter someone worth talking to, who also champions the commercial space initiatives that finally allows humanity to move off this little space rock, and out into the vastness of the unimaginably greater universe around us.

SpaceNut · 2022-04-06 20:41:01

The military is relying on the commercial market vehicles other than what they are using from the old guard for the x43 for the most part.
These at this point are capable of the LEO use manned or unmanned but if we need to service a satellite we are not there with anything we have available. The thoughts to expand that military reach is also going to fall sort as they have no station capability or of resupply chain for one if we did have it around or on the moon.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-04-15 08:36:13

not sure if what these hackers say is true but....

Anonymous Targets Vladimir Putin, Claim To Have Hacked Into Kremlin's Spy Satellite

https://radaronline.com/p/anonymous-dec … satellite/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-10 04:23:49

'Space Won't Be Safe Until the U.S. and China Can Cooperate. The two countries must put aside their mistrust in order to establish rules for the peaceful use of outer space.'

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … ooperate1/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-26 17:46:59

To Infinity and Beyond

https://www.flyingmag.com/to-infinity-and-beyond/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-05 11:29:03

Iran has 7 satellites under construction or ready for launch

https://twitter.com/IrnaEnglish/status/ … 4055256065

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-09 07:55:08

House armed services panel calls on DoD to buy commercial space technology and data

https://spacenews.com/house-armed-servi … -and-data/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-07-09 18:34:38

Putin to Ukraine: Russia Has Barely Started Its Action
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 … ction.html
“Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven’t even yet started anything in earnest,” Putin said in a menacing not

The Friday Vlog China Blasts NASA Over Territorial Moon Claim
https://rumble.com/v1bgafh-the-friday-v … claim.html

Anti-Satellite Weapons: Threatening The Future Of Space Activities
https://www.nationandstate.com/2022/06/ … ctivities/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-13 04:48:09

A darker shade of blue: The unknown Air Force manned space program

https://thespacereview.com/article/4448/1

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-10-10 06:30:15

Space Force Isn’t Quite What You Think It Is
https://gizmodo.com/what-does-space-force-do-1849009908

The incident with Kosmos-1408, the result of a Russian anti-satellite (ASAT) test, forced ISS astronauts to take shelter, but thankfully none of the pieces struck the space station or any other satellite in low Earth orbit. At least not yet. The dissipating debris cloud, at speeds reaching 17,500 miles per hour (28,000 kilometers per hour), will continue to pose a threat to space-based equipment—and human life—for years to come.
Space, as this sad episode affirms, is an emerging theater of war. It’s under this grim realization, among other factors, that the U.S. Space Force (USSF) was founded three years ago. Space ain’t what it used to be, both in terms of national security and as a place to do business.

Explosions rock five cities as Putin launches revenge attacks over Crimea bridge
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ … orizhzhia/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-10-28 11:22:55

Russia escalates rhetoric on commercial satellites, calls them ‘legitimate targets for retaliation’

https://spacenews.com/russia-escalates- … taliation/

The United States Space Force Anthem by Voices of Freedom
https://soundcloud.com/user-574435537/t … rce-anthem

Lyrics

To the Moon, to Mars, Into space, far beyond, The future of our country lies in the stars. We march onwards!

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-02-22 07:50:45

Space Force: Smaller launchers made case to compete for national security contracts
https://spacenews.com/space-force-small … contracts/

United States Space Force USSF, a space service branch of the U.S. Armed Forces, one of the eight U.S. uniformed services, and the world's only independent 'space force' it is part of the US Military alongisde the Airforce, Navy, Marines and US Army.

Space Force to launch its first guardians-only basic training
https://www.stripes.com/branches/space_ … 37607.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-02-22 08:14:04

more of a Scifi Video-Game Fantasy topic

'Super Soldiers'

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VGemqWy6gRY/
,
https://rumble.com/v299kqv-super-soldiers.html

Isaac Arthur

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-05-24 18:47:49

Lots of topics on Bigelow, Commercial station crews, MIR, the ISS, Private Space, Blue Origin, Space Stations but I thought this 'Skylab' topic fits here

'Saving Skylab the top secret way'

https://thespacereview.com/article/4588/1

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-09 16:27:02

U.S. Space Force in talks with allies about how to jointly protect space assets

https://spacenews.com/u-s-space-force-i … ce-assets/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-18 02:29:20

The company behind the Jilin-1 satellites, Changguang Satellite, is also looking to double the size of its constellation over its earlier plans. Power of commercial satellite imagery in Ukrainian defence against the Russian invasion did not go unnoticed

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1669236380075974656

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-29 09:18:08

No presidential election in Ukraine till war ends: Zelensky
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/0 … -zelensky/

What happened during the Wagner Group mutiny against the Russian military — and what comes next? Here's what we know
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-25/ … /102521134

French police, protesters clash after Macron calls police fatal shooting of teen ‘inexcusable’
https://apnews.com/article/france-drive … 1823012dd3

Elon Musk and the mohammedans
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8068

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-03 06:32:39

The buying and shipping of product, is it wise defense
or some criticize military industry, profit for the merchants of death

'France may soon overtake Russia as the world’s No. 2 arms exporter'
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2023 … s-exporter

Perhaps Ukraine has exposed how some new Russian tanks are not so invincible and have weakness.
100,000 killed on Ukraine's side but 120,000+ dead Russians, 250,500+ injured and out of action, some Mercs arrive and got blasted into bits.

Russia Helicopter's shot down

People who don't buy Russian or USA product will now buy French

Russian warship Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet, sank on 14th day April 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The cruiser is the largest Russian warship to be sunk in wartime since the end of World War II, and the first Russian flagship sunk since Knyaz Suvorov in 1905, during the Russo-Japanese War.

Biden overturns Trump decision on US space command headquarters location
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … s-colorado

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-07 13:02:53

Space Force rewrites mission statement
https://spacenews.com/space-force-rewri … statement/

India, France increase defense ties with new Rafale jet and submarine buys
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/07/ind … rine-buys/

Calliban · 2023-09-14 12:29:25

Interesting video on the topic of railguns. A couple of years old now so things may have moved on a bit since it was made.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHAL2hQXzM

The design goal is a gun that can fire 2kg projectiles at 10km/s and have range up to 100 miles. The potential advantage over a ship launched guided missile is cost. Missiles are expensive - around $1million per shot. A dumb projectile will always be cheaper, unless the capital cost of the gun is excessive. The video explains the problems with realising hypervelocity projectile weapons in practice. The plasma arc limits barrel life to a few hundred shots. The power demand on the ship is high. Accuracy at range is difficult. A guided projectile is possible, but must withstand extreme acceleration. And a guidance system builds complexity into something whose advantage is based on simplicity and low cost. So building guidance into shells begins to undermine the point.

One way of increasing barrel life would be to have the rails and internal lining of the barrel as a sort of disposible sleeve, that is removed after a few hundred shots. Another option would be to inject a coolant that would rapidly cool the rails by dissociation, after the arc has passed.

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tahanson43206 · 2023-09-14 13:00:23

For Calliban re #124 and for the link you provided.

This post is a place holder until after I view the YouTube.

OK! finished the first video, but found this one, which appears to be only a year old ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VvXXtT3HoU

The second video is about much more than rail guns.

The first has a schematic diagram showing the principles of operation of a rail gun, but the diagram does not include details of how the projectile is accelerated. I'd be interested to see more detailed diagrams showing the principles at work in rail guns. It is clear that they work, and that the projectile can be quite heavy.

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