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#176 2008-04-06 08:20:06

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Re: Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view

Yep, empty space politics since we're talking about Alaska and Greenland!
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#177 2008-04-17 07:30:51

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Orginally the thread was created to track what nations were had started rocket developement and projects that would allow for a manned mission from there efforts.

So is this the near term future for the US while we wait for the orion?

The Future Of Space Exploration?

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#178 2008-04-18 09:33:53

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Why can't NASA just construct a small three person rocket that could be launched on boosters we already have for the 5 year gap?  One that just has one room with seating for three people and the control panel. Just for ferrying crew up and down from the ISS.

Surely it doesn't take that long to dock with the ISS from launch?


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#179 2008-04-18 09:40:08

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Nasa has no off the shelf capsule for a crew taxi and then there is the safety man rating issue which is why Nasa has gone with the Ares I.
Nasa does have some contracts for the taxi service on IIRC 15 flights to the ISS but it can only be one at a time. I think there were also some progress cargo vehicles in that mix as well.

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#180 2008-04-18 10:50:29

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Why can't NASA just construct a small three person rocket that could be launched on boosters we already have for the 5 year gap?  One that just has one room with seating for three people and the control panel. Just for ferrying crew up and down from the ISS.

NASA doesn't have the money to develop yet another crew launch system - no matter how simple - it would delay exploration even more.


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#181 2008-04-19 11:01:40

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These other countries that say, sure we're going to the moon in 10 yearsand probably start a base there even though we haven't put a man into orbit yet are ridiculious.

Just like the American who said 'we're going to be at the Moon before this decade is out' was ridiculous.


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#182 2014-01-12 22:57:51

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I was surprised to see the thread had made it back after the crash.

Earthly politicians seek roadmap for space exploration

Seeking to boldly go where few politicians have gone before, more than 30 space-faring nations gathered Thursday to map out ways to pool mankind's efforts to explore the stars.

"The question facing us today is whether we can muster the courage and political will to advance space exploration and ensure that cooperation continues to trump competition."

Countries such as Brazil, China, Japan, India and Russia have all sent delegations to the first ever such ministerial-level meeting focusing on space exploration -- with participants listening to simultaneous translations through headsets (though no Klingon language was offered).

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#183 2021-09-09 05:49:50

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South Koreas might be going to space some time in the future


While the ISS is coming to an end?
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Astr … e_999.html
Astronauts smell smoke, burning on Russia's ISS module

Alarms Ring On The ISS As Cosmonauts Wake Up To Smell Of Smoke And Burnt Plastic
https://www.iflscience.com/space/alarms … t-plastic/

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#184 2021-09-13 04:52:16

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Many say the DPRK or North Korea space program is also linked for military purpose, the Kwang-myong-song-II, a satellite was already launched by North Korea on April 5, 2009. Prior to the launch, concern was raised by other nations, particularly the United States, South Korea and Japan, that the launch would test technology that could be used in the future to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile. The name of the satellite was richly symbolic for North Korean nationalism and the Kim family cult. The Kwang-myong-song III or Gwangmyeongseong-3 and Kwangmyongsong-4 were launched in 2012 and 2016, also timed to celebrate the 74th birthday of the late leader Kim Jong-il.

North Korea successfully launches new long-range cruise missiles: KCNA
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021 … -kcna.html

‘tests new cruise missile and hits target 1,000 miles away’
https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/13/north-ko … -15248329/

N Korea tests new ‘long-range cruise missile’
https://www.newagebd.net/article/148986 … ssile-kcna

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#185 2021-10-19 11:26:36

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Why are they now Launching So Many Missiles? Pyongyang now fires new ballistic test missile into sea

North Korea launches ballistic missiles into waters off Japan
https://nypost.com/2021/10/19/north-kor … off-japan/

N. Korea fires ballistic missile off east coast
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/n-korea-fires … 55125.html

The old North Korea Committee of Space Technology was the agency for the country's space program. This North Korea agency was terminated and succeeded by the National Aerospace Development Administration. Most of what is public on North Korea's military seems to be publications from other military media or speculation, it seems to be a combination of guess work from Japan, France, Russia media, Chinese, British, US media as very little information on North Kroea is publicly available. Everything is highly controlled by the Communist State and the leader is sometimes seen as a God-Person or type of Emperor diety, in November 2020, no mobile phones could dial into or out of the country, and there was no outside Internet connection. The  'Bright Star-4 or Lodestar-4' satellite launch happened after North Korea conducted a nuclear test on 6 January and as the United Nations Security Council was deciding on sanctions to be placed on the country following the nuclear test. T

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#186 2021-11-28 15:31:07

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""China to openly select sci-tech projects for space station cargo craft"
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/26/c_1310334573.htm
China Manned Space Agency (CMSA) recently released an announcement to openly select projects of sci-tech experiments and applications to board the country's Tianzhou cargo spacecraft from society.
The project application is open for government organizations, research institutions, educational institutions, enterprises and industry groups, said the CMSA.

"China’s space programme will go nuclear to power future missions to the Moon and Mars"
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … e-missions
China is developing a powerful nuclear reactor for its moon and Mars missions, according to researchers involved in the project.
The reactor can generate one megawatt of electric power, 100 times more powerful than a similar device Nasa plans to put on the surface of the moon by 2030.
The project was launched with funding from the central government in 2019. Although technical details and the launch date were not revealed, the engineering design of a prototype machine was completed recently and some critical components have been built, two scientists who took part in the project confirmed to the South China Morning Post this week

SpaceNut wrote:

Orginally the thread was created to track what nations were had started rocket developement and projects that would allow for a manned mission from there efforts.


Still keeping track

Argentina resumes the project of the national launcher
https://www.argentina.gob.ar/noticias/a … ador-iiiii

Iran?
https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/sta … 8821059589

Australian Space Agency signed with Indian Space Research Organisation
https://www.industry.gov.au/news/austra … ganisation

3 ADELIS-SAMSON (1, 2, 3) Spacecraft, Technion, Israel Institute of Technology, are designed for demonstration of long-term autonomous cluster flight of multiple satellites and geolocation of the position of a terrestrial transmitter.
http://gklaunch.ru/en/news/38-satellite … -march-20/

After Covid, Andhra floods stall Isro’s sat launch missions this yea
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind … 838312.cms

Brazil? and another South american launch site
On 1 October 2021, an S50 solid-propellant rocket motor, which will form the first two stages of the new VLM-1 launch vehicle, successfully completed a static firing test in the operational area of Usina Coronel Abner (UCA), in São José dos Campos, São Paulo state, Brazil.
https://www.dlr.de/content/en/articles/ … chers.html
The first launch with an S50 is planned for 2023 from the Alcântara Space Center (Centro Espacial de Alcântara; CEA).

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#187 2021-12-30 07:01:38

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Iran launches research satellite into space
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-launches-res … a-60293125

Tehran has launched a satellite-carrying rocket into space with three devices onboard. The move, which comes amid ongoing talks, is expected to anger Washington.

North Korea missile ‘seen by Cathay Pacific airline crew’
https://postcourier.com.pg/north-korea- … line-crew/

Iranian state television says Tehran conducts rocket launch with satellite carrier bearing 3 devices; unclear if in orbit
https://twitter.com/amichaistein1/statu … 00134?s=21

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#188 2021-12-30 11:24:27

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The big thing is to be respectful of the items that we might pass so as to give clearance to reduce fear of people being hit by these nations rockets.

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#189 2022-02-28 16:49:47

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N° 6–2022: ESA statement regarding cooperation with Russia following a meeting with Member States on 28 February 2022

https://www.esa.int/Newsroom/Press_Rele … ruary_2022

28 February 2022

We deplore the human casualties and tragic consequences of the war in Ukraine. We are giving absolute priority to taking proper decisions, not only for the sake of our workforce involved in the programmes, but in full respect of our European values, which have always fundamentally shaped our approach to international cooperation.

ESA is an intergovernmental organisation governed by its 22 Member States and we have built up a strong network of international cooperation over the past decades, which serves the European and global space community through its very successful programmes.

We are fully implementing sanctions imposed on Russia by our Member States. We are assessing the consequences on each of our ongoing programmes conducted in cooperation with the Russian state space agency Roscosmos and align our decisions to the decisions of our Member States in close coordination with industrial and international partners (in particular with NASA on the International Space Station).

Regarding the Soyuz launch campaign from Europe’s Spaceport in Kourou, we take note of the Roscosmos decision to withdraw its workforce from Kourou. We will consequently assess for each European institutional payload under our responsibility the appropriate launch service based notably on launch systems currently in operation and the upcoming Vega-C and Ariane 6 launchers.

Regarding the ExoMars programme continuation, the sanctions and the wider context make a launch in 2022 very unlikely. ESA’s Director General will analyse all the options and prepare a formal decision on the way forward by ESA Member States.

ESA continues to monitor the situation in close contact with its Members States.

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#190 2022-03-01 09:39:22

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North Korea hails 'significant' test in satellite development
https://mb.com.ph/2022/03/01/north-kore … velopment/

Argentina, orbital attempts?
https://www.rosario3.com/tecnologia/Tlo … -0044.html

A bit of a silly crazy headline

'Iranian nuclear scientist killed with satellite-geared gun and artificial intelligence

'claims Teheran and points to Israel'
https://en.mercopress.com/2020/12/07/ir … -to-israel

Southern Launch signs with Germany’s Rocket Factory
https://www.innovationaus.com/southern- … t-factory/

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#191 2022-03-10 19:54:15

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DPRK aka North Korea tests a rocket or a new ICBM military systems, Biden administration official said tests were a "serious escalation" I assume its a Nuke Missile but with all the war, refugee and other suffering and chaos stuff in Ukraine it barely made headlines

Another ICBM or was it a satellite 'test' from North Korea?

https://twitter.com/desderamona/status/ … 4941115393

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#192 2022-03-25 16:38:18

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VirginOrbit is set to launch a satellite from Cornwall
https://twitter.com/Virgin/status/15015 … bw3tYpAAAA

Aussie launch
https://twitter.com/GilmourSpace/status … 8242637824
We have council approval to begin early works on our launch site!
"The construction of the Bowen Orbital Spaceport…will provide an enormous economic & tourism injection for the region,” said

Australian satellite air space industry

and DPRK?

So this is the Fourth NorthKorea Missile in the past few weeks? I would laugh more if the world wasn't so crazy now

Yeah 'Rocket-Man' is back, I have seen some stupid propaganda stuff from their media over the years but now they are broadcasting this wanna-be KeanuReeve MichaelBay style video North Korea broadcasts this dramatic, movie-style slo-mo video of Kim Jong-un overseeing ICBM launch. Their latest statement says the new missile is for curbing 'Dangerous' Moves By U.S. Military

He's walking next to a bunch of Joseph Stalin-era guys. You could put the vid in one of those Late Night Comedy Talks shows and few could tell the difference between news and actual comedy.

North Korea tests banned intercontinental ballistic missile: Security expert Elisabeth Braw reacts
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qDSu9u60_B0/

'North Korea's Propaganda Video Is As Bad As You'd Think'
https://rumble.com/vyi59z-north-koreas- … think.html

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#193 2022-04-12 10:39:54

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Brazilian Space Chief Says Nations Should Think Long-Term, Keep Space Out of Geopolitics

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Braz … s_999.html

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#194 2022-04-13 04:54:33

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Race is on for China's first domestic satellite listed firm

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Race … m_999.html

Behind the IPO wave of Chinese aerospace-related startups is the huge transformation of the country's commercial aerospace industry, which quickly turned from scratch to mastering manufacturing and innovative capabilities over the past five years, industry experts said.

China's commercial aerospace industry, which mainly focuses on businesses related to satellite broadband internet and low-cost carrier rockets, is becoming the latest gold mine for private companies and a fresh engine driving global economic growth.

Morgan Stanley estimates that the global space industry could generate revenue of $1.1 trillion or more by 2040, up from $350 billion in 2021. The consultancy also said that the most significant short and medium-term opportunities will come from the satellite broadband internet industry.

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#195 2022-04-17 07:49:55

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They had a craft BKA BelKA, a Belarusian spacecraft for remote sensing of the Earth


Russia may send Belarusian cosmonaut to space in 2023
https://www.uniindia.com/story/Russia-m … ce-in-2023

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#196 2022-05-01 05:27:16

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China’s Wenchang aims to become commercial space hub

https://spacenews.com/chinas-wenchang-a … space-hub/

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#197 2022-05-25 09:35:02

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DPRK 3 ballistic missiles fired toward sea
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoin … oward-sea/

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#198 2022-05-30 06:10:59

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Seems like 'Brexit' had little influence on British-ESA cooperation

British small satellite startup Open Cosmos has secured ESA funding to develop plans for a space weather monitoring constellation
https://twitter.com/JasonRainbow/status … 4102665217

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#199 2022-06-02 08:43:38

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Brazil’s space research institute, a source of national pride, is struggling for survival


https://www.science.org/content/article … g-survival

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#200 2022-06-05 08:12:08

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Iran admits to taking Greek oil
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2022/jun … greek-oil/

Iran’s Supreme Leader with video of seized Greek oil tankers: “Brave Iranian retaliated, Who is the thief?”
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/06/04/i … greek-oil/

North Korea fires ballistic missile to Sea of Japan: South Korea military
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 … itary.html

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