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Says New Survey http://www.spacefrontier.org Conducted by the Space Frontier Foundation, over two-thirds of survey respondents said they expect construction on private space stations to either be well under way or completed within the next decade.
OK so many say that going back to the moon is a waste and we need to go to Mars with the "Been there Done That" with regards to the moon. I look at its a rebuilding ot the infrastured needed to build rockets and stuff that we need to go to either place as all we have capability to only get currently to LEO at this point. With Nasa funded missions and none souly privately tasked on its own.
I would love to see a privately owned space station funded by the private industry which in my mind could happen with Bigelow's inflateables and Space x but whom would be paying for there products to be used to make this station and if the companies that have them did send them up who would be using the station is the next issue as to being able to pay either company for this station being built.
Ful article:
Private space stations will be constructed within the next 10 years, and escalating tensions between China, Russia and the United States will not result in a new space race, according to a new survey of the space industry conducted by the Space Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to opening the space frontier to permanent human settlement through free enterprise.
Over two-thirds of survey respondents said they expect construction on private space stations to either be well under way or completed within the next decade. However, 44% of respondents indicated it would take more than 15 years for humans to reach Mars.
"The private space industry is really heating up right now with increased levels of competition spurring a new push for innovation," said Jeff Feige, chairman of the board of the Space Frontier Foundation. "It doesn’t surprise me that everyone from investors to CEOs of companies involved in space are bullish on the construction of private space stations.”
Survey respondents were generally positive about the trends in the space industry, with 68% indicating that space startups are typically motivated by innovation rather than profit.
"While the survey reinforces what we are seeing in the industry today, it also points to one of the keys to the continued viability of the commercial space industry," said Feige. "Without clear business cases, private investment from investors looking for short and long term returns will be difficult to source."
The Space Frontier Foundation’s survey was conducted July 16-18 at the 2015 NewSpace conference in San Jose, CA. The 79 respondents represent a variety of space startups, investment professionals, advisors, thought leaders, government agencies and established companies in the space industry.
About the Space Frontier Foundation
Founded in 1988 by Jim Muncy, Rick Tumlinson and Bob Werb, the Space Frontier Foundation is a non-profit organization dedicated to opening the space frontier to human settlement as rapidly as possible by unleashing the power of free enterprise. Our goals include protecting the Earth’s fragile biosphere and creating a more prosperous life for each generation by using the unlimited energy and material resources of space. The Foundation is composed of a diverse, multinational array of space activists, expert scientists and engineers, media and political professionals, entrepreneurs, and passionate citizens. You too can be a part of the Space Frontier Foundation. For more information visit http://www.spacefrontier.org.About NewSpace 2015
new ● space \nöö – späs\ noun: a movement and philosophy often affiliated with the emergent private spaceflight industry.
Organized by the Space Frontier Foundation since 2006, the annual NewSpace conference is the only event that brings a unique mix of revolutionary space entrepreneurs, investors, scientists, engineers, regulators and space policy leaders together to explore the opportunities and challenges of opening the space frontier to human settlement. Facilitating the necessary cross-disciplinary collaboration is how the private space industry will grow and create a sustainable space economy, which in turn fuels innovation in areas from healthcare to construction. For more information visit https://newspace.spacefrontier.org/.
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1.NASA and corporate executives for Old Space companies are STILL trying to do the "90 Day Report", complete with its $450 billion price tag. That's in 1989 dollars; in today's dollars that would be $750 billion. The "90 Day Report" included a space station as large as ISS, plus equivalents to SLS and Orion, but good luck getting corporate executives to deduct anything. Going to the Moon first means sticking to the "90 Day Report". So that means sticking to a plan that Congress will never approve.
As noted Congress keeps using the Nasa numbers and reports to judge how to go forward. Rather than asking for a price tag to do the same from Boeing and Space x to get the same results.
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Anyone have any word on this project at all....
Since Space x is only building rockets at this point I would say they are not in the race.
Seems no one is capable of doing this feat lone at this point in time.
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Article is 2015, tht's 5 yrs left to get t he job done
Musk with Space-X could do it, not sure about the rest.
Rocket Lab?
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Rock … m_999.html
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Rocket Lab only lifts a few tons I think. Only Space X can do it. But do it quite easily.
Article is 2015, tht's 5 yrs left to get t he job done
Musk with Space-X could do it, not sure about the rest.
Rocket Lab?
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Rock … m_999.html
Let's Go to Mars...Google on: Fast Track to Mars blogspot.com
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In the ISS topic the company Axiom is intending to add modules to the station...
The other was Bigelow but its does seem that its out of air.....
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'China will soon have a monopoly on space stations as it begins construction of Tiangong'
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/ … 30811.html
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Nasa and partners lost their chance to play nice in space a long time ago and with Russia wanting to pull out of the ISS to make a station with china there needs to be some game changing as its to costly currently for the benefit that we get from having a station.
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While the ISS has been a great station it is not without political issues
Russian Political Problem?
NASA says Russian media allegations US astronaut drilled hole in ISS 'not credible'
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/NASA … e_999.html
The claims made by Russian media that NASA Astronaut Serena Aunon-Chancellor had a nervous breakdown and damaged a Russian spacecraft to get home are not credible, Kathy Lueders, who is leading NASA's human spaceflight program, said at a press conference on Friday.
Russia's TASS recently published a story, citing an unnamed source in the Russian Space Agency Roscosmos, that claimed Aunon-Chancellor had an emotional breakdown in space and she made a microfracture in the Russian spacecraft to return early during a mission in 2018.
"Absolutely," Lueders said when asked whether NASA will defend its astronaut. "Our NASA crews perform their missions with professionalism and integrity. She [Aunon-Chancellor] is a well-respected crew member who has served her country and made a valuable contribution. I stand behind her and her professional conduct and I did not find this accusation credible."
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/NASA … e_999.html
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Unlocking New Economic Frontiers in Space
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-unlocking-n … -in-space/
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I followed the link provided by Mars_B4_Moon and found this:
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-unlocking-n … -in-space/
The months ahead should prove to be just as exciting as billionaire Elon Musk and SpaceX will soon launch civilian astronauts aboard Crew Dragon, along with efforts from other companies like Axiom. This unprecedented moment calls for congratulating Bezos and Branon — as well as Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic — for the courageous firsts of many catalysts for an extraordinary future.
Michael Lencioni is CEO of Stellar Solutions, a global aerospace engineering services provider to commercial, defense, intelligence, civil and international sectors.
This article originally appeared in the August 2021 issue of SpaceNews magazine.
Could someone do a bit of sleauthing to find out more about Michael Lencioni?
While the article he wrote might be regarded as on the light side for public viewing, the name he has given his company is certainly ambitious, and his activities or at least goals might be interesting for forum readers.
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https://www.stellarsolutions.com/michael-lencioni/
https://dailysciencenews.co/space/op-ed … -in-space/
Russia has been threatening for over a decade when shuttle shut down and they had to deal with contracted for seating....I think that they were hoping that the station would be all there's if we could not get there to use it.
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More on Commerical Spaceflight
Inspiration4 private crewed mission nears launch
https://spacenews.com/inspiration4-priv … rs-launch/
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I think I read that there was smoke inside the russian modules which would suggest that nasa and partners get busy to find suitable replacements before the station is put into a permanent deep six....
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The ISS is getting old
2021 now going into 2022 ...so 4 years to go
The US, Russia, Japan, Europe? Could they have a new station in 4 years
maybe China could sell them one
NASA awards funding to three commercial space station concepts
https://spacenews.com/nasa-awards-fundi … -concepts/
The largest award, at $160 million, went to a team led by Nanoracks and includes Voyager Space and Lockheed Martin. Those companies announced a space station concept called Starlab Oct. 21 that could be ready as soon as 2027.
A second award, valued at $130 million, went to a team led by Blue Origin for the Orbital Reef space station announced Oct. 25. That project includes Boeing, Redwire and Sierra Space, among others, with a goal of entering initial operations in the latter half of the 2020s.
The third award, worth $125.6 million, went to a previously undisclosed concept from Northrop Grumman. That proposed station would leverage the company’s work on the Cygnus cargo spacecraft, Mission Extension Vehicle satellite servicing program and the Habitation and Logistics Outpost module it is building for NASA’s lunar Gateway.
Rick Mastracchio, director of business development for human exploration at Northrop Grumman, said in a call with reporters that a single launch could place in orbit a facility able to support four people, with the ability to expand. “This allows for low risk and rapid deployment,” he said. The station, which he said doesn’t yet have a name, is being developed with Dynetics, with others to be announced in the near future.
Axiom said in a statement that it did not submit a CLD proposal. “With active hardware development on pace to meet a late 2024 delivery to orbit of the first Axiom Station module and strong support from the market already in hand, Axiom declined to bid on CLD,” the company said.
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None of the companies that are capable to lofting station modules as well as building them do not need to wait for anyone's approval, so get to it.
The Northrup Grumman is the old guard in a new space industry that is looking for it to be paid for before they build and put it up there rather than just building and placing it in orbit under there control to use as they already posses the module building ability and launch capability.
By building it and controlling it they can charge for its use...
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The construction of the Chinese station is based on the experience gained from its precursors, Tiangong-1 and Tiangong-2. The first module, the Tianhe ("Harmony of the Heavens") core module, was launched on 29 April 2021. Regarding the participation of foreign astronauts, CMSA has repeatedly communicated their support for such proposals. During the press conference of the Shenzhou 12 mission, Zhou Jianping, the chief designer of China Manned Space Program explained that multiple countries had expressed their wish to participate. He told journalists that the future participation of foreign astronauts "will be guaranteed".
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chi … 021-06-17/
Elon Musk featured in Chinese embassy event focused on space exploration
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma … used-space
At embassy event with China’s ambassador, Elon Musk pushes cooperation on self-sustaining Mars outposts
'Jeff Bezos accuses Elon Musk of being in pocket of Chinese government'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … onize.html
The Coming Anarchy in Outer Space
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/co … ace-201934
Russia Pulls Out Of International Space Station Amid Mounting Sanctions: Report
https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-pulls-ou … rt-3491322
Bloomberg Russia Will Quit International Space Station Over Sanctions
"The decision has been taken already, we're not obliged to talk about it publicly," TASS and RIA Novosti reported Roscosmos General Director Dmitry Rogozin as saying in a state TV interview on Saturday. "I can say this only -- in accordance with our obligations, we’ll inform our partners about the end of our work on the ISS with a year’s notice.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … -sanctions
The destroyed An-225 Mriya at Hostomel next to a destroyed Russian VDV BMD-2. Looks like some of the other aircraft survived
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1509990490887884804
Russia ending work on International Space Station in response to sanctions
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russia- … 18014.html
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With U.S. help, Japan wants to go from player to power in space
https://news.yahoo.com/u-help-japan-aim … 43580.html
Their unmanned cargo vehicle it comes with a robot arm
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3983
KOUNOTORI Specifications
Length Approx. 9.8m (including thrusters)
Diameter Approx. 4.4m
Total Mass Approx. 10,500kg
Cargo capacity
(supplies and equipment) Max. 6,000kg
-Pressurized cargo: Max. 5,200kg
-Unpressurized cargo: Max. 1,500kg
Cargo capacity (waste) Approx. 6,000kg
Target orbit to ISS Altitude: 350km to 460km
Inclination: 51.6 degrees
Maximum duration of a mission Rendezvous flight period: about five days
Bearthed with the ISS: about 45 days
On-orbit emergency stand-by: about seven days
H-II Transfer Vehicle (HTV) aka Kounotori is an expendable, automated cargo spacecraft used to resupply the Kibō Japanese Experiment Module (JEM) and the International Space Station (ISS).
https://web.archive.org/web/20101115022 … htv_e.html
Both JAXA and Mitsubishi conducted studies of a next generation HTV as a possible Japanese contribution to the proposed international crewed outpost at Earth-Moon L2.
New Space-Station Resupply Vehicle called HTV-X, is an uncrewed expendable cargo spacecraft under development by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) as the successor of H-II Transfer Vehicle (HTV)
As of 2021, an evolutionary version of HTV-X called HTV-XG is being considered for transferring cargo to the Lunar Gateway as part of the Artemis program
PDF link
https://www.mext.go.jp/kaigisiryo/conte … 6486_5.pdf
Japanese PDF
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Russia’s invasion of Ukraine jeopardizes the future of the International Space Station
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russi … ce-station
Russia and America have long been partners on the space station, but the invasion of Ukraine has led to new tensions and questions about the future. Miles O'Brien has our report about the rhetoric versus the reality.
Elon Musk's SpaceX is poised to become the most valuable U.S. startup
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/elon … 022-05-17/
China set to become the most committed spacefaring nation
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar … ing-nation
Last week, the NASA_Orion team successfully conducted a hot fire test of the launch abort motors for future Artemis missions. Congratulations to the Orion team - you all are keeping our crews safe as we go to the Moon.
https://twitter.com/JimFree/status/1511373118824230918
NASA’s Artemis Moon Landing Program: Launches, Timeline, and More
https://gizmodo.com/nasa-artemis-progra … 1848906821
Not since 1972 has a human set foot on the Moon, but NASA is aiming to change that through its ambitious Artemis program. The lunar missions could begin in late 2022, so we’ve assembled this guide to keep you informed and up to date.
NASA and its partners, both private and public, are in the midst of developing a slew of new technologies. The Orion spacecraft that will take astronauts to the Moon and back is already developed, but practically everything else still needs to be built. And that includes NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS)—a 322-foot-tall (98-meter) behemoth that NASA calls its “Mega Moon rocket.”
When is the Artemis 2 launch?
Artemis 2, in which a Orion capsule complete with human crew will travel to the Moon and back without landing, is currently scheduled to happen no earlier than May 2024. The mission will be virtually identical to Artemis 1, save for the presence of four NASA astronauts.
When is the Artemis 3 launch?
Artemis 3 is currently targeted for no earlier than 2025. The plan is to land a man and woman near the Moon’s south polar region, where they will spend nearly a full week exploring the lunar surface. The two remaining crew members will stay aboard the Lunar Gateway, which itself will be connected to Orion. Should all go as planned, an unpressurized rover and other equipment will be placed on the surface in advance of the mission. At least four spacewalks are planned, with a priority placed on the search for water ice.
When is the Artemis 4 launch?
The fourth Artemis mission is currently planned for 2026. Four astronauts will launch to the Lunar Gateway, where they will continue to build-out the lunar outpost. The mission will deliver the European Space Agency’s I-Hab habitat module to Gateway, which will operate in a unique near-rectilinear halo orbit. I-Hab will eventually serve as the main habitat for astronauts when staying on board Gateway. A lunar landing is not expected to happen during this mission.
When is the Artemis 5 launch?
Artemis 5 should launch in 2027. The plan is to send four astronauts to Gateway and then deploy two crew members to the lunar surface. The astronauts will once again explore the south polar region of the Moon.
The mission will also seek to deliver ESA’s ESPRIT (European System Providing Refueling, Infrastructure and Telecommunications) to Gateway. ESPIRIT “will supply enhanced communications, refuelling and a window somewhat like the European-built Cupola observatory on the International Space Station,” according to ESA.
What will happen next?
Artemis missions 6 through 11 are still in the proposal stage, so we’re not entirely certain as to when they’ll launch or what will be involved.
' That said, the Gateway will need an airlock, so if Artemis 6 is to happen, the delivery and installation of this component will be be a goal. These late Artemis missions will expand in both scope and ambition and will likely see the installation of a lunar habitats, a pressurized mobile home, among other elements designed to enable humanity’s sustained presence on the Moon. By this stage, lunar adventures could last as long as 45 days.
Should the Artemis program unfold as expected, NASA can then plan for a crewed trip to Mars. The current expectation is for a crew to land on the Red Planet in the late 2030s or early 2040s. '
NASA selects partners to develop new spacesuits for return to the moon
https://www.kcci.com/article/nasa-devel … n/40170136
Scott Manley has a Vid saying NASA is giving up on Spacesuits and going 'Private'
he also has vids on other social media like Odysee
https://odysee.com/$/search?q=scott%20manley
Twitter
https://twitter.com/DJSnM
'They actually did NBL testing with this suit back in 2014, I’m not sure if it ever became part of the the official plan before some boring person decided a free return flight around the moon was more interesting than visiting a captured space rock.'
https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1533116471915577344
will pay 3.5 Billion to rent a suit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2QmUKivl8
'It's going to take more than an ordinary GPS to get NASA_Orionto the Moon during Artemis missions.
https://twitter.com/NASA_Marshall/statu … 0398396416
Boeing's Starliner returns from space station
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ … ce-station
Space Force and NASA order more than a dozen launches from ULA and SpaceX
https://news.yahoo.com/space-force-nasa … 54984.html
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Shenzhou-14 crewed mission arrives at Chinese space station
https://spacenews.com/shenzhou-14-crewe … e-station/
China is also considering making the station available for tourist visits and will open Tiangong to commercial missions.
The country also plans to launch a co-orbiting optical telescope module, named Xuntian, in late 2023. It will be capable of docking with Tianhe for repairs, maintenance, refueling and upgrades, and aims to survey 40 percent of the sky across a decade.
Xuntian features a two-meter-diameter aperture and a field of view more than 300 times greater than the 32-year-old Hubble Space Telescope.
Russian officials have stated an interest in deeper human spaceflight cooperation with China while threatening to end its involvement in the International Space Station.
However, the 41.5 degree inclination of the Tiangong space station makes it very difficult for a Soyuz to launch to Tiangong from Russian territory, while ESA’s Kourou, which was being considered for hosting crewed Soyuz missions, is no longer available to Russia in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine
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Cygnus departs ISS after reboost test
https://spacenews.com/cygnus-departs-is … oost-test/
The US can now perform ISS reboosts without Russia's help, thanks to Cygnus spacecraft
https://interestingengineering.com/us-i … ussia-help
some other topics and thread discussion on Private Companies, Mars the Moon and Stations
Moon mission today - Dragon & Mars hab https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7443 , NASA could make 'Skylab II' first deep space 'home' https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7199 Corporate Government https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7307 On Orbit temporary Housing https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9614
The first Cygnus demonstration mission was successfully launched on 18 September 2013. The spacecraft Cygnus is an expendable American cargo spacecraft developed by Orbital Sciences Corporation and now manufactured and launched by Northrop Grumman Space Systems as part of NASA's Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) program. It is launched by Northrop Grumman's Antares rocket or ULA's Atlas V and is designed to transport supplies to the International Space Station (ISS) following the retirement of the American Space Shuttle.
Musk has the unmanned Dragon, Tianzhou is a Chinese spacecraft initally based on the Soyuz but is unmanned and can carry 6,500 kg or 6.39 imperial tons of cargo, HTV-X is the Japanese cargo and is considered for resupply to the Luanr Gateway, ATV is an expendable cargo spacecraft developed by ESA there has been discussion of making Cargo ships like Cygnus into Mini Space Stations, the ESA MSS concept is an ATV evolution proposal for the construction of multiple ATVs with two docking ports, one at each end.
https://gsp.esa.int/documents/10192/430 … d29d52d820
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NASA, Axiom Sign Second Private Astronaut Mission to Space Station Order
https://spaceref.com/press-release/nasa … ion-order/
Bezos’s ‘Orbital Reef’ Space Station Moves One Step Closer to Reality
https://gizmodo.com/orbital-reef-space- … 1849445979
Astronaut CAI Xuzhe takes very good care of his plants in space
https://twitter.com/CNAstronauts/status … 2447622144
Spacewalk 1 hour EVA vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X8DnnUv7t4
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Sierra Space’s LIFE ^ TM Habitat Completes Successful Ultimate Burst Pressure Test
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I thought we had a topic dedicated to 'Cygnus', I will post the news here for now and maybe search the topic again another time this week.
Northrop Grumman Names Next Cygnus Mission After Space Pioneer Sally Ride
https://spaceref.com/uncategorized/nort … ally-ride/
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An ESA advisory committee has recommended Europe should independently develop its own space station when the ISS retires, and develop its own lunar base independently of NASA's Artemis plans.
https://spacenews.com/advisory-group-ba … pproaches/
"Europe should design and implement a European Space Mission to establish an independent European presence in Earth orbit, lunar orbit, on the Moon, and beyond, including a European Commercial LEO Station, Cargo and Crew Capabilities for the Gateway and the Moon, and sustained presence on the lunar surface."
It's worth noting although this comes from ESA's own self-appointed advisory group, we don't know how much of its recommendations will be followed. However, ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher has been talking lately about the need for big changes at ESA.
21 page PDF,
https://esamultimedia.esa.int/docs/corp … ochure.pdf
Going back to the original post
Tumlinson is a member of the Leadership Board of For All Moonkind, Inc. a nonprofit organization committed to creating an effective and enforceable system to manage and protect human heritage in outer space.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180707040 … n-1741937/
In 2004, Rick Tumlinson was one of 20 guests invited by the White House to hear President George W. Bush announce his plans to return to the Moon and explore Mars
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