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#1 2005-10-18 18:52:32

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#2 2005-10-18 20:12:11

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The article talked about China making technological break through as a result of there space effort. That why I have been saying all along of why we should be in space. Or at least one of the reasons that we should be in space. Evidently the Chinese have learned about what I have been yelling about for years now as space being a science driver for any nation that engages in that process of space exploration.

Larry,

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#3 2005-10-18 22:05:31

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sounds to me the chinese have figured out that science in freefall can be very beneficial!

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#4 2005-10-18 22:19:16

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One more reason to point a few more warheads at the prc lol

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#5 2005-10-18 22:21:08

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Re: More Chinese space tech stuff

Breakthrough? Huh?

Closed or mostly-closed life support is pretty easy, NASA has had 85% efficient systems for years. The Chinese are still a long, long way off from doing anything more then the early Russian space program accomplished, and are doing nothing to radically improve access to space.


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The glass is at 50% of capacity

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#6 2005-10-18 23:36:57

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The Chinese ... are doing nothing to radically improve access to space.

I think just the possibility of competition will do wonders for the attitude on Capitol Hill.

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#7 2005-10-19 21:54:29

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some people have no imagination; plants on board their shenzue vessel which splits in two and leaves part of itself in orbit?

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#8 2005-10-19 22:21:43

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China anounced that it will be building its own Space station within the next five years. This (as I suggested in previous discussion) is very much a divergance from their participation in the ISS. China will be ready for the moon by 2015 AD putting it ahead of the US return by three years. China will go it alone, or rather in joint co-operation with India (of whom the USA is currently attempting to divert from a relationship with China for strategic reasons).

They know that it is better to dock four large Shenzhou space craft and assemble a single space station that can then be landed on the Moon and left as a permanent Manned Base with one year turn over of crews. That means that they will need to deploy five Tychonauts in five seperate vehicles, along with an autonomous space propulsion section which can be docked with their small space station and pushed out to the Moon from Earth Orbit. This is a substantial advantage on the US proposal as it gives China an Airlock on a potential Underground mining colony. It will also give them substantial dominance of the Lunar Surface and Mineral rights well before the US is even ready to land people.

They would then send the fifth Shenzhou using the "reusable orbiting Motor" method out to the Moon to retrieve and exchange four-man crews.

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#9 2006-09-06 12:14:24

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China Works on New Space Launch Vehicles
http://www.newcssa.com/read.php?tid=27230
China will phase out the development of its space launch vehicles in three steps, said WU Yansheng, President of China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, at a forum named “Innovative Beijing”, co-sponsored by both social and natural scientists. According to WU, the three steps will be: 1) improving the existing non-returnable launch vehicles, in an effort to meet payload launch needs of both domestic and international clients; 2)accelerating the development of new generation toxicity and pollution free launch vehicles, and completing the upgrading of non-returnable launch vehicles; and 3) developing proprietary new space launch vehicles, in an attempt to meet China’s strategic needs for space activities, and enhancing China’s comprehensive strength in the area.

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#10 2006-09-06 17:38:43

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Re: More Chinese space tech stuff

Or: "our rockets suck, and The Party has finally figured this out"


"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw

The glass is at 50% of capacity

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#11 2006-09-06 19:00:25

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Or: "our rockets suck, and The Party has finally figured this out"

I don't think you can dismiss all China space missions as something that suck, sure they had some early failures in space but so did everyone else. If you want to look at a dangerous multi-Billion dollar hunk of junk then look no further than NASA's Shuttle. The Shuttle starting to cost the American people almost 180 Billion dollars, not only is it dangerous and costing the lives of America's best astronauts it comes at a price of $1.3 billion per Shuttle launch.

The cost of China's entire space program comes at a very low price of no more than US$5billion, their success rate is equal to that of many European and American lauchers. Their early orbital launch vehicles were derived from the reliable DF-ICBMs and the Chinese have got three very active launch centers and are doing commercial launches for foreign partners like Sweden, companies from Brazil, the USA, the Philippines. The plan to start robotic mission to the Moon next year in mid April 2007.

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#12 2006-09-12 14:16:38

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The Chinese are going too slow to be a threat to US dominance.

If they were to pull off the following within 4 Years THEN it's time to
Kick it into high gear.

Space Walk
Develop Tools/skills for space assembly
Docking
Develop automated Cargo Craft
Orbit  in a shenzou for 75% of max rated duration w/o incident
Test larger Booster.
Nurture a Cadre of Experienced Taikonauts (12 with at least 2 missions of experience)

As it stands It looks like they May Accomplish 2 of them.
And as someone previously mentioned,  The Russians are sure to slow down
substantially any techincal assistance, if they see China potentially leaping
too far ahead of them in space tech.

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#13 2006-09-12 19:57:50

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Some of the list could be accomplished by a little cooperation and not say to themselves that they must go it alone...

Russia, China could sign Moon exploration pact in 2006

This is a big deal if a new ship gets built by there cooperation with a scheduel that shows with firm proof that they could be there before Nasa can.
It just could light the fire under the contractors to get the lead out of there .....
One can only hope that a new space race would generate the trick that we are in need of...

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#14 2006-09-26 16:56:19

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China and U.S. May Team Up on Space Exploration
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2488274

The United States has opened unprecedented conversations with the government of China in order to create cooperation on space exploration.

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin is in China at the invitation of Laiyan Sun, administrator of the China Space Agency.


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#15 2007-03-05 09:44:15

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China To Prioritize Three Areas In Space Program
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China … m_999.html

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#16 2007-03-05 16:41:07

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And, behind the scenes in China there's plenty going on. How do I know? In five years (the traditional communist 5-year planning interval) the country has become unrecognizably transformed, subsuming everything of use to them from the rest of the world autocratically, the way we never can democratically. It's a race to the Moon, once again, under new management.

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#17 2007-03-08 07:01:53

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Spacedaily: Chinese Spacemen To Reach Moon In 15 Years

China has possessed the technical capacity to send spacemen to the moon in 15 years, a leading rocket expert said on Tuesday. Huang Chunping, the chief launch vehicle designer of the country's manned space flight program, told Xinhua that China is well capable to send manned spacecraft to the moon in 15 years given an adequate funding and punctual project launching.

Will they recieve adequate funding not likely when the Reported increase in the military budget was 17.8% (probabily closer to 30%). They have done well with what they have but they will need much heavier lift capability before they can send people to the Moon and that development will cost, nor can they get military funds as there is no military need for such heavy lift capability.

While admitting there is still gap between China's Long March launchers and the carrier rockets of the United States and Russia, Huang said the Long March series are "slightly" better than the European Space Agency's Ariane rockets.

There main competition for commercial launches and I actually doubt that a long march is as good as say an Arianne 5 ECA


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#18 2007-04-12 04:17:12

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There are some interesting articles at global security


http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/lib … cpvick.htm

China could also carry out the human lunar landing mission through the introduction of a new booster beyond the capability of the LM-5 series which they have only in the last few years hinted at through their 15-20 year forecast planning consideration requirements after the next five year plan. Such a 100 metric ton plus capacity Saturn-V class launch vehicle would only begin conceptual development around the middle of the 2011-2015 five year plan with introduction during middle of the following five year plan 2016-2020. This brings into question whether China will have a human lunar landing capability until the middle of the 2021-2025 five year plan. The demonstrated long lead time technology development requirement for Chinese new larger launch vehicle does not bode well for China to carry out its manned lunar landing aspirations that probably will slip considerable from the forecast planning schedule discussions not yet finalized. China has for the present chosen the robotic methods to accomplish their near term lunar goals.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/lib … rc-cpv.htm

China plans to introduce the new Long March-5 medium heavy lift launch vehicle in the Proton/Titan 3/4 class sometime in the middle of the next five year plan which runs from January 1, 2006 through January 1, 2011 . With this vehicle we can assume that more advanced unmanned lunar, planetary probes will appear by the end of that five year plan. This is in addition to the approved and funded Space Station programs early in the following five year plan program. The planned human crewed lunar circumnavigation programs should also appear early in the beginning of the following Five Year Plan that runs from January 1, 2011 - January 1, 2016 . That is, if the Long March-5 launch vehicle does not give the Chinese too much trouble with its advanced closed cycle propulsion system and Kerosene/LOX propellants.

In the mean time they plan to use the existing spacecraft variations and their boosters to do the initial unmanned lunar exploration. Eventually down the road two Five Year Plans beyond the present plan we could expect them to start developing a Saturn-V class launch vehicle for human lunar and large earth orbit payloads assuming the leadership still supports such a policy in the future. Ultimately it is the political leadership that must support and justify these programs in spite of how much the industry and scientist believe it to be necessary. The final answer to the S & T leadership questions must be a political answer. This does however not preclude unmanned lunar exploration in support of future follow on human exploration of the Moon and unmanned exploration of the planets as previously noted. Certainly the introduction of the LM-5 booster will be the advent of unmanned lunar exploration probably followed with a limited manned circumnavigation program in the 2012-2014 time frames.

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#19 2007-05-10 23:46:35

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China:  Osama in Space
http://www.newmatilda.com/home/articled … pageID=193
By: Maryann Keady

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#20 2007-05-14 04:00:03

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China launches satellite for Nigeria
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070514/ap_ … atellite_2

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The Nigerian Communication Satellite, or NIGCOMSAT-1, was launched by a Long March 3-B rocket from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in southwest China's Sichuan province early Monday, Xinhua said.

The launch was part of a $311 million deal signed by China and Nigeria in 2004, and the satellite will be used to expand cell phone and Internet services in central Africa, Xinhua said.

China has been commissioned to send about 30 foreign satellites into space and signed several contracts offering commercial launching services for foreign satellites, including one with Venezuela, it said.
...


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#21 2007-06-23 12:54:34

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#22 2020-11-23 14:55:31

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Adding in a single post

akinkhoo wrote:

China doesn't have a coastal space center like JAXA, NASA and ESA. and a landlock space center would limit the size of the rocket to the size of the rail or cargo planes.

i believe, the Hainan site is neccessary before china can deploy a heavylifter. so i think the speed of which it is being completed would be a good indicator to when china will have a HLV capability.

the only landlock HLV are the energia which required it's factory to be at the space center, and the proton which uses an unconventional design, of surrounding a center tank with 6 other tank, so each tank would still be within the size which can be rail transported. but the CZ5 is an conventional single tank design; so they either have to build onsite or choose a coastal site.

past article about the future space center:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenchang_S … nch_Center
http://www.spacetoday.org/Rockets/Spaceports/China.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China … n_999.html

China's progress has been steady and is continuing.

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#23 2021-05-18 05:58:39

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How long before Spacecraft and Rovers are constantly taking pix of each other on other planets?
https://twitter.com/geologochacin/statu … 7870858240


China’s ambitious plans in space go beyond the Moon and Mars
https://www.msn.com/en-in/finance/topst … r-BB1gPbBY

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#24 2021-05-18 18:43:53

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Selfies for propaganda as they would be used to prove dominance and they are indeed not being faked.

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#25 2021-05-31 08:52:07

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"Tianzhou-2 docks with China’s space station module"
https://spacenews.com/tianzhou-2-docks- … on-module/

The Chinese will fly to the Station on the Shenzhou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_(spacecraft)

They also seem to be doing their own manipulator systems like the CanadaArm and the Japanese Robotic Arm on the ISS.

There will be a cargo spacecraft and some kind of Chinese version of their own Hubble telescope.

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