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Hi,
I remember seeing those renders a while ago from a Mars project that James Cameron was supposed to be working on. I was wondering if anyone had heard anything recently on that or if they knew a link to where those renders were.

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Lt. Col. Zak Phd

I remember when I came here. This world, this rusted shell of a world seemed like a land of oppertunity! For a time it even was, my idea was perfect, set up the first heard of cattle on Mars to break up the monotony of a horrible veagen diet most of this world was forced to endure. Things were going great, the bussiness thrived, from the farm came the armory, building and selling the most advanced directed energy weapons and small arms in the worlds, then from that the ship yards. Now, now I'm beset by all sides of these raving lunes. My heards are being culled by misanthrope vegetarians and worse people who claim rabits are the only creatures with a rightful place on mars.

The time has come to end this tryany on Mars and kick out the socialist enemy of the UN occupying forces once and for all. I've moved my arms factory to a hardened facility under the Hellas basin and have been given command of the first aerospace assault group by General LeMay. I have to check the Gauss rifle on my hopper because I'm schedual to go on a mission to take out a UN staging area on Phobos, hopfully if we can grease all the 'blue boys' in orbit we can reseize the ship yards and take or war to Earth. I have also ordered a platoon to seek out and individual named 'Cobra' who seems to have the rank of commander. I have heard rumors he has a cannon of some sort and an army of robots. Hopfully we will have found an ally in this war against vegetarians and the UN...god help us if the rabbits get involoved (if they exist)

He was one of my personal heros, he will be missed.
I can't help but think maybe this is a blessing in disguise, living with alzheimers must have been hell.

I maintain he was the greatest American President, and statesmen in general of the twentieth century.

I selected Starship Troopers (I take it to mean the book and not the movie  )

I think Heinleins vision of the future, and the role of the military in society was absolutley stunning, I can really see things going that direction after we finally put away the childish play things of socialism and liberalism.

The thing with the current oil situation is a 'perfect storm' of events happened all at once to drive the price up.

A.) The whole sale price spiked as nearly a 1/4th of refining capacity was down for mainance. This is worsened by the fact that we havn't built any new refineries in this country since the 70s! (thank you EPA)

B.) The price spike was artifically heightened by the fact that it occured during the transfer to summer gas formulations which further cut into the refined oil supply. The fact that this country has over a dozen gas formulations per region even further drives up costs since gas from one region is not saleable as a comodity in the rest of the country. (again, thank you EPA)

C.) There is alot of oil left to be had, and outside of the Arabian penisula. Siberia has huge basically untapped oil reserves that once brought online will bring oil costs down, and will help break the strangle hold the anti-american nations of OPEC have on our economy. If we could get the green light from our friends in the EPA (see a trend yet) there are also huge reserves of oil off the California Coast and the Gulf of Mexico.

I hardly think that this situation will bring about the end of the western way of life since oil prices should finally stablize and start to fall again after summer, and become significantly become devalues when the Siberian oil supply comes online and OPEC looses it's price setting ability, althought this does undermine the disturbing fact that our economy is dependent on a foreign resource which is a horrible situation from both a security stand point, both economically and militarily. We need to

A.) Get past the prohibition of new nuclear power plants in this country. In the near term this is the most economically and enviromentally viable option. Nuclear power plants are clean, and they are cheap and they are avalible now. They are also the most logical starting point for hydrogen refineries.

B.) Offer large incentives and tax breaks for laying hydrogen pipelines and stations as well as fuel cell and hydrogen powered cars. (such as the Mazda RX-8 hydrogen)

C.) Invest a significant ammount in Fusion research in this country

D.) Invest a significant ammount in hydrogen storage.

I don't buy this as an enviromental issue at all, since all the data I've seen is completely insubstantial on global warming, but I am adimant that our country needs to become energy independent. It will strengthen us both economically and militarily.

DeagleNinja-
OT: Is your name a CS reference? I don't know about you but can't wait for HL2 to come out...allegedly shipping with CS2 as well.

In any event the point by point:

A.) It wasn't Reagan's military spending that spurred the economy, although the spin off technologies associated with SDI certainly helped, rather his top rate and corporate tax cuts spurred development. Every economics I've ever talked to says whatever the fedres and the IRS does has a 5-10 year lag time to take effect. Also let's not forget that the government has very little effect on the economy in either direction. As far as Clinton 'balancing the budget'....well for starters if you pull out the history book Clinton never pushed for a balanced budget, in fact quite the contrary, his social programs added considerable pork to the budget it was the Republican congress that got that passed in a horse trade for his tax increase.

B.) My comment on finite wealth was not really in reference to the government budget, but rather ideology that drives taxation. The assumption that goes along with a stepped tax structure, that there is only so much wealth in the world, and that it should be redistributed. This is fundamentally flawed as new wealth is created everyday, new technologies, new discoveries; new natural recourses all create wealth. This is why the argument that the bleeding hear globalist make about the US using 94% of the worlds resources is illogical.

c.) Making the military more efficient is a great idea, but it's going on right now. I can speak on this matter with some authority as it is an organization I am currently in (using the Air Force as an example, can't comment in too much detail about the other services) but generally speaking it's a completely different animal then it was in the 80s. Point and case is the ATF program to replace the F-15. Definition of requirements was in the early 80, RFP was in the mid 80s, and delivery of prototypes was in the early 90s, the winning fighter was chosen in 1991, we are now finally accepting production fighters but IOC of the first squadron isn't until 2005. There are several UCAV fighter programs in the pipe now that have gone from DOR to flying prototype in 3 years for a fraction of the budget of the F-22s procurement and are breaking more ground and offering similar capabilities. We are in the process of updating and increasingly antiquated military that was designed and built in the 70s and 80s for the most part....without the Reagan build up in the 80s we would be completely devoid of a creditable fighting force. (Clinton did nothing to help this, slowing the F-22 program and cutting B-2 production and giving the Chinese critical classified technology)

I'm not going to get into the 'more selective wars' thing because we are going to fundamentally disagree on that, but there are people out there that want to destroy our way of life, they don't want to negotiate, they don't want land, they don't want anything rational. They are fundamentally animals and we have to exterminate them, the best defense is a good offense.

A.) Please, please, please, do not refer to PlanBush, or Project Constelation or the MoonMarsInitive as SEI! We all know about where SEI led.

B.) This administration is deeply commited to both military and civil space. I've said it before and I'll say it again at the top of my lounges, if you support the space program and the national lab system Bush is the man to vote for.

Actually a few of my friends who are grad students in the Nuclear Engineering department here talk alot about using fusion explosives for excavation work, they are both doing research on using non-fissile means such as silicon/nitrogen based hyper explosives to obtain ignition from either tritium/deuterium gas mixtures of lithium deuteride solid cores.

I'd be in favor of Loche, Einstein, Goddard, Oberth, Armstrong, Reagan, or Me (lol, or whoever the first man on mars actually happens to be in the event I don't make it /knock on wood/)

Not to jump into the middle or anything but....

Not to get onto my UN bashing tangent but has it occured to anyone that the great mistake of the space treaty may be a reason that very little progress has been made in space?

During the great age of exploration, the great nautical pioneers set off to find new wealth and territories for their home lands. It's this motivation for growth and wealth that drives exploration and development. My personal hope is that we can return to these natural motivations, and get past such globalist sentiments so that private industry and whole nations can start working towards colinizing and industrializing space. Call me crazy but I just have this feeling that if people could actually own the land they are trying to get to in space there might be actual progress made.

Look at Antartica for example. It is completely devoid of any major settlement or development because Nation states are bared from claiming it. Lets say that we finally come to our senses and leave the wanna-be global government that is the UN and claim Antartica for the good old US of A. Imeadietly hundreds of billions of dollars of natural resources would be avalible for utilization. In a matter of years towns would spring up and Antartica would become more then a place to look at penguins.

The next new world should be colinized and conquered just like that last new world, North America was, except this time we won't have to deal with the problem of an indigenous population. I sincerly hope that the first words spoken on mars are "I herby claim this world in the name of Colonies Unlimited, a joint stock corporation, NASDAQ: CLUN, and the United States of America".

As for the role of the military beyond Low Earth Orbit, I don't see protecting things that aren't there yet. Sure, once there are colonies in space, and if /knock on wood/ the Chinese or EU establishes a base on Mars, the moon, or wherever there will be a need to protect our instalations and kick them out of theirs, just like here on Earth.

The military does have a historical role in the development of frontiers. In the American west wagon trains headed west for cheap land and freedom, but the first towns were established on the frontier by the armies series of Forts that were set up to protect the settlers. Officers brought their wives and families and a whole series of communities were established bringing civilization to the west.

As for the Military in Low Earth Orbit, and the Larrange points. There are fun times ahead, space based weapons are going to change the way we wage war, not in 50 years, in 10...unfortunetly I am not at liberty to talk specifics but trust me, the cliche' "you havn't seen anything yet" doesn't even come close to touching what's going to come online in the rather near term.

I see no reason why during the first phases of colonization that Mars not be governed under the American constitution as a territory, and eventually be either granted statehood or independence. Preferable independence, this will mark a turning point in US history, the closing of the circle, new world to next new world, colony to colonizer.

ROFLMAO

Not going to touch that one White, not at all.

If I didn't find it so funny I would be insulted by it being a card carrying Republican and a christian.