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#2051 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 13:24:38

If Kerry's policies had been enacted Saddam Huseein would still control Kuwait and the Soviet Union would very possibly still have missiles pointed at us. We still wouldn't have seen 9/11 coming, and we'd still be wandering around Afghanistan wondering what went wrong.

If Saddam had continued to control Kuwait, 9/11 would not have happened.

bin Laden got angry at the US and the Saudis after they refused to let his Afghan fighters (the ones who fought the Soviets) attempt the liberation of Kuwait.

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And, so long as Bush attempts to stand up a secular government to balance Sistani (an anti-Iranian, more or less pacificst Shia - - whom bin Laden hates) Sistani will not rally his people to help quell the insurgency.

(From his perspective, let your enemies fight, better that US Marines police Fallajuh and contain Sadr than militia loyal to Sistani)

Once we accept that Sistani is the best we can do (an anti-Iranian, semi-pacifist Shia who is despised by bin Laden as an apostate to the true Sunni/Wahabi strain of Islam) we give him the Shia regions and leave.

We gives the Kurds Kirkuk and their own country and the bastard Sunni/Baath get NO oil.

Sistani's people are those people favorably portrayed in the Gulf War One movie "Three Kings" - -  the one with George Clooney.

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"What are you doing?"

"Its C4, sir. We tape it to these footballs and see how far we can throw it."

"I can see that. But my question is: 'Why are you doing that?'"

#2052 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 13:08:21

Now tell me, who really rules Iraq?

IMHO, its Sistani, except in places like Fallajuh where no Americans go and Kurdistan which is fast becoming a de facto independent country.

I'm inclined to agree. As for an independent Kurdistan, I have no real problems with that. Let Iraq break into three, if even one is inclined to remain friendly with us and "invite" us to stay around we get our frontline base of operations.

Our current problems largely stem from our refusal to recognize this reality.

The neo-cons desired a more pro-Israeli Iraq than is feasible and Chalabi played that game brilliantly.

The US continues to try to "stand up" a secular government that can balance Sistani's power. Sistani (a patient man who survived Saddam after all) preaches non-violent resistance.

He consistently says to America: "Thank you, now leave."

Sistani won't oppose us openly, the Sunni/Baath and Sadr do that quite nicely. But there really is no constituency to support a domestic counterbalance to Sistani except the Sunni/Baath, the Iranian leaning Shia like Sadr and the Kurds.

Allawi is merely another flavor of Chalabi, perhaps a bit more pliant. And we simply refuse to accept that Sistani is the natural leader of Shia Iraq, perhaps because he refuses direct negotiations with us.

#2053 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 09:00:58

Step up patrols, bring in more troops from Europe, delay elections and stamp out the insurgency. There's still time! Dammit Rummie, didn't you get my memo!

He didn't read it... it was the Kerry memo.  :laugh:

Gosh, you are right. More special forces and two new divisions of infantry.

Nah, Rumsfeld believes in UAVs.

#2054 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 08:59:48

Remember this.

BOTH Allawi and Sadr agreed to a truce in Najaf after Sistani returned from London and said "Knock it Off!"

Now tell me, who really rules Iraq?

IMHO, its Sistani, except in places like Fallajuh where no Americans go and Kurdistan which is fast becoming a de facto independent country.

#2055 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 08:56:49

The undecideds, I mean. The average Islamic Iraqi who is happy Saddam is gone but angry because we cannot stamp out the insurgency.

Step up patrols, bring in more troops from Europe, delay elections and stamp out the insurgency. There's still time! Dammit Rummie, didn't you get my memo!
big_smile

Actually, he did. But your memo was overruled by a Higher Authority.

#2056 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 08:43:35

There is no "us vs them" -- fine, go tell that to Al-Qaeda.

I believe the Arab world is filled with "undecideds" who do not like al Qaeda =OR= Israel =OR= US policy in Iraq.

Do we woo those people or whack those people?

The undecideds, I mean. The average Islamic Iraqi who is happy Saddam is gone but angry because we cannot stamp out the insurgency.

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Why did al Qaeda attack us? Because bin Laden was not getting anywhere in establishing a pan-Arab movement to unify all Muslims.

By getting us to kill innocents with JDAMS he now has more fertile recruitment turf for his jihadists.

#2057 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-19 08:28:15

If this guy is right, there will be more "mistakes" caused by reliance on an increasingly closed echo chamber of advisers.

Bruce Bartlett, a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan and a treasury official for the first President Bush, told me recently that ''if Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.'' The nature of that conflict, as Bartlett sees it? Essentially, the same as the one raging across much of the world: a battle between modernists and fundamentalists, pragmatists and true believers, reason and religion.
''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . .
''This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,'' Bartlett went on to say. ''He truly believes he's on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.'' Bartlett paused, then said, ''But you can't run the world on faith.''

Going in circles is better than running off a cliff.

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Anyone see this http://www.bushfaith.com/homepage.asp?g … 0house]DVD yet?

See how the power of faith can change a life, build a family and shape the destiny of a nation... Not since the days of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln has a president put so much stock in his Christian faith and prayer life for making decisions and leading the United States in its hour of crisis. According to BBC correspondent Justin Webb: "Nobody spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush. The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night. It's not uncommon to see White House functionaries hurrying down corridors carrying Bibles."

This program will examine the extraordinary faith and prayer life of President George W. Bush, and how it impacts his personal life and his decisions as the leader of the free world. See how his faith has been unshakeable in dealing with the 9/11 terrorist attack, fighting al-Qaeda, ridding Iraq of the Saddam Hussein regime, rooting out terrorists in Afghanistan, and how his religious beliefs bring personal peace and clarity in a time of terrorism and chaos across the world.

So Cobra, can we count you amongst those who believe the power of Evangelical faith will defeat al Qaeda?

#2058 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-19 05:21:48

If we have no major exports to balance all of the imports that Americans believe they need, then the market correction will be much worse when it happens.  There will be nothing to slow the drop in the dollars value, and we will find that we no longer have the infrastructure to produce the things that we are used to importing, but can no longer afford.

A large portion of what we currently export is "culture" from Hollywood movies to TV re-runs to brand name products like Coca-Cola.

To be sustainable, this market requires other people to want to imitate us.

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Oh, and food. Our agri-business exports are significant.

#2059 Re: Not So Free Chat » To Cobra, and you other Righties! - More politics, ye be warned! » 2004-10-18 20:45:20

I like this quote, from elsewhere:

We didn't go in with a plan. We went in with a theory," said a veteran State Department officer who was directly involved in Iraq policy.

#2060 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 15:07:28

Because it's backed by a tradeable commodity of some sort. In the case of Fed notes, it get's shadier.

Back on thread. Whew.

25 years ago EVERY corporation at the top of Fortune's lists (Fortune 100 or Fortune 500) dealt in things. Raw materials or manufacturing or selling things. Tangible things.

Mining, manufacturing, processing, etc. . .

Today, 1/2 of those top companies sell "air" - - Air Jordans for example. Nike owns "air" - - a label, a brand identity - - and it buys shoes from low paying factories and sells those shoes through various outlests and the only value it adds is brand identity, the "air-iest" of all air-like property rights.

Sara Lee has stopped baking cheesecakes. Yup. It buys cheesecakes from anonymous sub-contracted bakeries (subject to rigorous quality control) and packages them in Sara Lee boxes. I now a guy who works in management at Sara Lee and their express goal is to remove themselves from the business of making or baking anything,

They want to own brands, period. That way, they can earn the distillation of profit without all the messy overhead.

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I am astonished that space advocates talk about mining the Moon! Mining the Moon? Come on people.

Why couple 21st century technology to a 19th century business model?

No wonder Wall Street will not invest in lunar or NEO mining schemes. High risk with minimal profit ratios compared to betting on some guy to invent a new jingle for an ad campaign.

You hit the problem right on the head Bill and that my point. If you don't have a government that encurages production, then you will have an empty shell of businesses that no longer produce anything. If you don't produce anything, you don't have a serious space program.

And that the way it is!

Larry,

Larry, brands have value because many people choose to value them. Government cannot create brand value by fiat.

In some ways, its very democratic.

Yet harnessing that power cannot be done by fiat and harnessing that power is scary because politicians cannot control it.

#2061 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:59:42

Why couple 21st century technology to a 19th century business model?

At the end of the day Bill, someone has to bake the cheesecake.  :;):

You can sell a dream, but someone has to make it...

True.

But given high double digit profit margins in the marketing arena, mining isn't a great place to start.

Tourism is a "charm" industry like marketing and brand creation yet its the most difficult of the three because you need to actually feed and transport people.

#2062 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:56:04

No, funny. I mean, you're funny. The way you tell your story. Just funny is all.

Here's one for you Spider.  :;):

Actually, IIRC, its said, "Uz dink I'm funny?"

#2063 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:47:38

All property "rights" are created out of thin air, especially patent, trademark and copyrights.

The "value" of Cola-Cola brand identity - - its name and trademarks - - are "worth" many, many billions of dollars.

Because it's backed by a tradeable commodity of some sort. In the case of Fed notes, it get's shadier.

Back on thread. Whew.

25 years ago EVERY corporation at the top of Fortune's lists (Fortune 100 or Fortune 500) dealt in things. Raw materials or manufacturing or selling things. Tangible things.

Mining, manufacturing, processing, etc. . .

Today, 1/2 of those top companies sell "air" - - Air Jordans for example. Nike owns "air" - - a label, a brand identity - - and it buys shoes from low paying factories and sells those shoes through various outlests and the only value it adds is brand identity, the "air-iest" of all air-like property rights.

Sara Lee has stopped baking cheesecakes. Yup. It buys cheesecakes from anonymous sub-contracted bakeries (subject to rigorous quality control) and packages them in Sara Lee boxes. I now a guy who works in management at Sara Lee and their express goal is to remove themselves from the business of making or baking anything,

They want to own brands, period. That way, they can earn the distillation of profit without all the messy overhead.

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I am astonished that space advocates talk about mining the Moon! Mining the Moon? Come on people.

Why couple 21st century technology to a 19th century business model?

No wonder Wall Street will not invest in lunar or NEO mining schemes. High risk with minimal profit ratios compared to betting on some guy to invent a new jingle for an ad campaign.

#2064 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:34:15

No inherent to life, but an inherent right to own property?

:laugh:

You're killing me Bill.  big_smile

What?

The typo or the content?

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Funny? You think I'm funny? Funny how?

#2065 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:19:13

All property "rights" are created out of thin air, especially patent, trademark and copyrights.

The "value" of Cola-Cola brand identity - - its name and trademarks - - are "worth" many, many billions of dollars.

Because it's backed by a tradeable commodity of some sort. In the case of Fed notes, it get's shadier.

No inherent right to life, but an inherent right to own property?

#2066 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 14:18:20

Made out of air? Yup. And you can take it to the Bank.

Afterwards, you can take it to the Bank afterwards.  big_smile

The Bank won't give you a nickel for the loan until after the jingle has worked its magic.

All property exists only in the minds of people. Even land. The land exists outside my mind (no solipsism here) yet my potential "ownership" of 5000 acres of farmland or a 3 flat rental building does not exist except in our minds.

#2067 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Role of Religion in the Martian frontier » 2004-10-18 14:14:09

Cobra, turn towards the light. Use not the powers of the Dark Side!  big_smile  tongue

#2068 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-10-18 13:55:38

Okay, I've got some (non conspiratorial) issues with the Federal Reserve system, partly in line with your claim that  the Fed's problem is that it creates money out of thin air. Okay, seems reasonable.

So you propose a solution that... makes money out of thin air? ???

All property "rights" are created out of thin air, especially patent, trademark and copyrights.

The "value" of Cola-Cola brand identity - - its name and trademarks - - are "worth" many, many billions of dollars.

Made out of air? Yup. And you can take it to the Bank.

#2069 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Role of Religion in the Martian frontier » 2004-10-18 13:51:35

That is in essence what the death penalty is- the agreement by the people that an inherent right to life is subject to the desires of the State. If you have no right to life, you have no rights, period.

I am VERY impressed by this. Well said.

If the state has the right to execute, then the right to life must originate with the state. What the state gives it can take away.

Of course I have long said that a society that executes proclaims its weakness and not its strength. A strong society can safeguard itself without the death penalty while a weaker society cannot.

I used to be opposed ALWAYS to the death penalty. Now, I can accept there are circumstances where it may be necessary however those who inflict capital punishment remain guilty of sin.

It just may be the lesser of evils.

#2070 Re: Life support systems » Gourmet Cooking en route to Mars » 2004-10-18 12:32:51

http://waltonfeed.com/self/eggs.html]Powdered eggs have a 5 to 10 year shelf life without special NASA processing and allegedly cook up just fine.

Bring powdererd milk, flour etc. . . and fresh baked goods are no big deal.

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Grow fresh fruits in the greenhouse and make crepes.  smile

#2072 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Falcon 1 & Falcon 9 » 2004-10-16 20:32:57

Maybe mount a hybrid upper stage on top of a Falcon V first stage? ...Could a cluster of two or three make a decent 2nd stage?

The problem with hybrid engines is their low isp.  Spaceshipone's hybrid engine has an estimated isp of 250s(the actual numbers have not been released).  That would be pretty low even for a first stage, so it is not a reasonable option for a second stage.

Okay, maybe you are right about the upper stage.

But for strap-on boosters for the 1st stage perhaps the price and size is about right even if not ideal from an ISP or engineering point of view.

Besides, Rutan's rubber rockets would be recoverable as a stage 1 strap-on, no? Build SpaceShipOne with a tiny parachute system instead of a crew cabin, no wings and attach it to a Falcon V.

#2073 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Falcon 1 & Falcon 9 » 2004-10-16 20:28:52

Robert Bigelow made his fortune through the hotel industry (I want to say he owns Budget Inn.)  His space hotel would probably bear the name of his hotel chain.

On one hand, yes. On the other, if Hilton offered Bigelow $250 million. . .

Maybe ego makes way for cash.

#2074 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Falcon 1 & Falcon 9 » 2004-10-16 14:34:25

Right now I think the best design for orbital space tourism would be a Falcon V with hybrid rocket boosters (HRBs.)  Since Burt Rutan has good ties with SpaceDev, they could probably make a pair of good hybrids to up-rate the Falcon V for whatever mission Rutan might want to perform.  The only difficulty would be getting SpaceX to modify the Falcon V launch pad to accomodate the new boosters.

Rather hard to argue with this.  :;):

Maybe mount a hybrid upper stage on top of a Falcon V first stage?

Rutan et. al. still need to develop a re-entry system since SpaceShipOne obviously cannot handle re-entry velocities.

Anyway, take a Falcon V first stage augmented with 2 (or 3) of Rutan's hybrid engines ($14 million? -  how expensive is a SpaceShipOne engine?) then add an upper stage and a five seat SpaceShipTwo and you can deliver 4 passengers plus a pilot to LEO for less than $25 million excluding R&D.

(Edit: How expensive would it be to mass produce Rutan's rubber/NO2 engines? Could a cluster of two or three make a decent 2nd stage?)

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Except there is nowhere in LEO to dock.

Back to that space hotel.

Since selling the name rights is lucrative (FedEx contracted to pay $200 million to name Redskins stadium) all we need is Hilton, Hyatt or Marriott to pony up $200 million to add the first space hotel to its list of properties and we are good to go.

How to they get their money back? By pursuing the business of the business traveller, one of the most lucrative target market niches.

#2075 Re: Not So Free Chat » Presidential Elections - ...and other political discussion. » 2004-10-16 08:07:29

This is an excerpt from a piece to appear to the Sunday NY Times (or so I read):

Bruce Bartlett, a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan and a treasury official for the first President Bush, told me recently that ''if Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.'' The nature of that conflict, as Bartlett sees it? Essentially, the same as the one raging across much of the world: a battle between modernists and fundamentalists, pragmatists and true believers, reason and religion.
''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . .
''This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,'' Bartlett went on to say. ''He truly believes he's on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.'' Bartlett paused, then said, ''But you can't run the world on faith.''

Pay close attention to WHO is saying this. Hint, he is not a Democrat.

If Bush is motivated by faith (as he sees it) and ignores facts (Saddam's WMD? al Qaeda = Saddam) then God help us all.

Think that is scary, try this:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

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