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#126 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Anarchism - Anything goes » 2006-11-28 11:41:45

That's kind of the point, there is chaos and confusion and an anarchist would soak it all right in.

...and ultimately be destroyed right along with everyone else.

#127 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-11-28 10:01:06

DonPanic:  ?  Did one of the links in my posts not work for you?  I double-check to make sure all links are proper to each post.  smile  The links you posted above are *superb.*

Why is this galaxy so discombobulated??

Goshdarnit if I know.  A pretty, glittery starburst galaxy.

Strange features of NGC 1313 include that its spiral arms are lopsided and its rotational axis is not at the center of the nuclear bar.

I like that word, discombobulated.  It's funky, sounds like something to describe a sewing machine's bobbin going berserk and wildly kinking up thread or something.  big_smile  Or maybe bobbing for apples gone wrong.

#128 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Anarchism - Anything goes » 2006-11-28 09:46:10

Oh yeah, anarchy works.

In individual daydreams.

Being at a 4-way intersection with traffic lights out of order and drivers left to decide who goes next is a REAL good example of how anarchy wouldn't work on a scale of more than 1 human per planet.  lol

#129 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Go ahead and slouch » 2006-11-28 09:31:18

<Whew>, what a relief!  I gave up trying to sit bolt upright years ago.  Don't slouch exactly, but as I'm sitting now my back feels comfy.

--Cindy

#130 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Global Surveyor Not Responding » 2006-11-28 08:59:40

It's probably dead, SpaceNut. 

It now being off course and drifting really does not sound good.

Nice to know ESA is helping, though.  Thank you to them.

#131 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Global Surveyor Not Responding » 2006-11-14 06:26:32

Full article

The MRO is scheduled to take a photo of Global Surveyor on Friday, when the two are 93 miles apart.

MRO...to take a picture of Global Surveyor to see how the failed craft is oriented relative to the sun for power and to Earth for communications.

MRO's high-powered camera should be able to image details of Global Surveyor as small as about 10 centimeters

"We have a good chance of recovering it still," Thorpe said in an interview.

Flight controllers also plan to try to get Global Surveyor to contact one or both of NASA's roving geology stations, Spirit and Opportunity, which are located on opposite sides of Mars' equator.

The rovers would not be able to relay the spacecraft's science data but engineers would at least get an idea of its general position. The linkup also could show if Global Surveyor still has power.

#132 Re: Unmanned probes » Mars Global Surveyor Not Responding » 2006-11-11 11:34:21

The irony of it

We just passed MGS's 10th anniversay (launch)  -- Tuesday, Nov. 7. 

The photo in the article was obtained Oct. 15 (nice).

Well, if it is "dead," it did have 10 years.  I'll sure miss MGS/MOC.

Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) was launched 10 years ago today, on 7 November 1996. The spacecraft reached Mars on 12 September 1997, and has been observing the ever-changing red planet over the course of the past 5 martian years.

--Cindy

#133 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-11-11 08:21:12

The 8 O'clock Arc

I like that name.  8)

Gravity helps SDSS-II reveal a brilliant jewel of the early universe

Allam described the discovery: "It had been a long day, and I was getting tired, but I decided to keep going for 10 more minutes. Just as I was about to give up for the night, I found a beautiful blue arc around a luminous red elliptical galaxy."

"I literally yelled 'there it is! There it is!'" Looking at the clock, Allam saw that it was precisely 8:00 pm, so she named the object "The 8 O'clock Arc."

smile 

The newly discovered galaxy, seen as an arc of four elongated images that encircle the foreground lens, offers a rare window into the state of the universe two billion years after the big bang.

"A telescope is an astronomer's time machine," explained Fermilab researcher Huan Lin, a member of the discovery team. "The light from this galaxy took more than 11 billion years to reach us."

Gravitational amplification:

While furious star formation makes the galaxy luminous, it enters the record books because the gravity of a foreground galaxy acts as a natural telescope, focusing its light on the earth.

It's also a Lyman-break galaxy:

1,000 of these distant, highly redshifted, "Lyman-break" galaxies (named for the way that hydrogen gas absorption alters their colors), they are generally too faint for detailed study, even with the world's largest telescopes.

"Lyman-break galaxies like to spew out gas as fast as they pull it in. This is a unique opportunity to learn how they do it," she said.

--Cindy

#134 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens - NASA/ESA Saturn orbiter & Titan lander » 2006-11-10 08:58:43

Hi cIclops:  That is an amazing photo!  I've seen only one other (less remarkable) picture of it.

"It looks like a hurricane, but it doesn't behave like a hurricane"

A movie taken by Cassini's camera over a three-hour period reveals winds around Saturn's south pole blowing clockwise at 550 kilometers (350 miles) per hour. The camera also saw the shadow cast by a ring of towering clouds surrounding the pole, and two spiral arms of clouds extending from the central ring. These ring clouds, 30 to 75 kilometers (20 to 45 miles) above those in the center of the storm, are two to five times taller than the clouds of thunderstorms and hurricanes on Earth.

Distinctive eye-wall clouds had not been seen on any planet other than Earth. Even Jupiter's Great Red Spot, much larger than Saturn's polar storm, has no eye or eye-wall and is relatively calm at the center.

This giant Saturnian storm is apparently different from hurricanes on Earth because it is locked to the pole and does not drift around. Also, since Saturn is a gaseous planet, the storm forms without an ocean at its base.

Full article

#135 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-11-07 11:29:20

The Canadian dollar is worht less.

:shock:  I'm not so certain, Tom.  An online friend of mine lives very close to the Canadian border and recently mentioned how our dollar and Canada's are currently very close in value.  1 U.S. dollar used to equal (nearly) 2 Canadian; now (IIRC) 75 U.S. cents is comparable to 1 Canadian dollar...something like that (can't recall specifics).

Our money is quickly becoming "worthless."  It worries me.

#136 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fishsticks: RIP 2048? » 2006-11-07 10:50:41

What about farming more types of fish/seafood?  We've already got catfish farms in Dixie.  Not sure how many.  Aren't tilapia also bred on farms?

#137 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens - NASA/ESA Saturn orbiter & Titan lander » 2006-11-07 10:47:13

O Golden Night...

[URL=http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=2348]the rings are brightly shiiii-ning[/URL]

smile  Fabulous.

#138 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fishsticks: RIP 2048? » 2006-11-07 08:53:05

I have to wonder how much seafood is being cooked up/served in fast-food restaurants around the globe just daily.  Maybe if McD's nixed Filet-o-Fish that'd help?  If Long John Silver's served more chicken?  Seriously...

And now another bit of wonderful news:

HUGE swirling plastic vortex in ocean

It can grow to the size of TEXAS.  Is located near the NW Hawaiian islands.  Yuck!

#139 Re: Civilization and Culture » War on Mars » 2006-11-06 11:56:46

You can't deny human nature.

Don't have to deny it, but why encourage the bad aspects?  Rape, murder and spousal abuse are also aspects of human nature.  Should we encourage those too?

Accentuate the positive.

#140 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-11-04 11:40:20

You've got ring around the galaxy cluster!

Astronomers using the National Science Foundation's Very Large Array radio telescope have discovered giant, ring-like structures around a cluster of galaxies.  The discovery provides tantalizing new information about how such galaxy clusters are assembled, about magnetic fields in the vast spaces between galaxy clusters, and possibly about the origin of cosmic rays.

Cosmic rays are groovy.  8) 

These giant, radio-emitting rings probably are the result of shock waves caused by violent collisions of smaller groups of galaxies within the cluster"

The newly-discovered ring segments, some 6 million light-years across, surround a galaxy cluster called Abell 3376, more than 600 million light-years from Earth.

--Cindy

#141 Re: Civilization and Culture » War on Mars » 2006-11-04 09:51:50

Good grief.

You know, this sort of thing turns a lot of non-advocates off.  I've heard too many people say "What's the point of colonizing the Moon or Mars or whatever, if it's going to be the same human problems there as here?  Besides, we've got enough problems here."

Maybe humans on Mars could be genetically modified to NOT be war-like.

Or they could read Carl Jung's ideas on "Propitiation to the god of war" (I started a thread by that name in this folder quite some time ago).

As much effort, time and trouble it's going to take to make Mars even halfway comfortable in living, it'd certainly behoove humans to AVOID war there as much as possible! 

We're so spoiled by this our home planet; we've been rippin' around getting away with all kinds of crap for centuries because we're native to this place.  Mars likely won't be as "forgiving."  That fact alone might do humans there a lot of good...as in mind your p's and q's, try to get along.

Anyway, let's focus on the positives.  War...sheesh.

#142 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-11-03 09:41:36

...Persians and Arabs either other than their unfortunate tendency to fight each other rather than concentrate their attacks on Americans and Jews.

Israel is the Islamoterrorist's "best friend," isn't it?  Israel's existence has kept them in business all these decades.  lol

Yes, Israel is a convenient red flag for hatemongers to wave around in order to stir up passions, incite riots and violence, etc.  They need Israel.

If Mahmoud Imanutjob (nods to Cobra) would succeed in wiping Israel off the map, the Islamoterrorists would soon find something else to carp on and on about to further their genocidal cause.

#143 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fishsticks: RIP 2048? » 2006-11-03 09:31:01

Collapse of seafood stock by 2048?

One of the researchers is named Boris Worm.  Seems amusingly appropriate considering fish-hook-worm. 

Likely this is another Doomsday Scenario.  But our population is growing by leaps and bounds.  Time to rename Earth Easter Island?

#144 Re: Human missions » The 1st woman in space -- ever » 2006-11-03 03:02:00

Yet another unsung hero

How many folks reading this have heard of THIS young lady?  Let me guess:  1 out of 25, if that.

Though Ms. Felix's not yet had her adventure, this young woman does hope to inspire her peers, educate, etc.  She's making Nigeria proud.  And chances are this and 1 other news blurb are all we'll hear of her; after all, she's not wealthy.  She's also not an American, which doesn't help.

And since education is supposedly oh-so paramount to elitist space advocates like Ms. Ansari and her drooling devotees, why don't we hear more about:

Planetspace Joins Teachers In Space Project

Phoenix AZ (SPX) Oct 18, 2006

PlanetSpace Inc. today joined a growing list of NewSpace rocket firms offering to fly teachers into space as part of the Teachers in Space (TIS) project of the Space Frontier Foundation. The firm, based in Chicago, says it will be ready to carry passengers in 2008 to over 60 miles altitude - among them two teachers taking the ride of their life. "The momentum is growing," said Bill Boland, project manager of the TIS project.

Quoting Ms. Ansari yet again:

Once you’re in space, you get sort of addicted to it.

I'm sure you're even more addicted to your Jupiter-sized ego and all the limelight.  After all, you are the 1st woman in space ever.  A pity you didn't get a NYC ticker-tape parade ala the Apollo astronauts, eh?  Frankly I'm amazed you didn't get a NYC ticker-tape parade; after all, you are the 1st woman in space ever

Well, at least you've got "The Right Stuff" as far as the current space exploration community goes:  You're rich and good looking.  Guess that's what it takes to be female and REALLY make your mark on the (shallow) space exploration community.

#145 Re: Human missions » The 1st woman in space -- ever » 2006-11-02 17:21:36

That's what it seems like

You'd think Ride, McAuliffe and Tereshkova never existed.  Ah, but they weren't billionaires or even piddly millionaires were they?

“I was like oh my God, I love her,” Max said.  “I adore what she’s doing.”

Well of course you do; she's rich.  Gets your blood pressure revved up, does it?

And no other woman ever has gone into space...ever.

The female explorer also plans to educate society about the importance of space exploration, with an emphasis on reaching out to young girls around the world. 

“I am going to try and continue my work and talk to as many people as possible and hope that I can take this flame and put it in a lot more hearts,” Ansari said.

Awww...how nice and altruistic.  And just how much $ are you putting out towards that cause versus:

“Once you’re in space, you get sort of addicted to it. So any chance to have that similar experience again, I will definitely do it.”

...including another $25 million for another ISS visit.  Why not donate that money towards education, Ms. Altruism?

As to what she’ll do with Max’s paintings, Ansari is not so sure.

“I don’t have any wall in my house that’s big enough for this,”

Hmmmmmmm (skeptical).

she said. “Maybe I’ll put it in a museum so it would have a good effect and more people can see them and get inspired. I really like it. I think it’s great.”

And it doesn't hurt your ego either, right?  smile  (Out of sight, out of mind is scary).  After all, you are the first woman in space ever.  roll  Let's forget all about those "homely peasants" before Ansari...(who never received even 5% of the adoration this chick's getting).

#146 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-31 12:27:09

I wish peace-loving Americans would get more credit.

Pacifist Americans are outspoken.  Liberals do protest -- often loudly and openly.

I'd certainly like to see more peace-loving Muslims protesting various behaviors/actions of violent Muslims.  Too often it seems the violent Muslims go unchecked or unchallenged whatsoever within their community; the nations-wide lunatic rampages and calls for slaughter after the Danish cartoon controversy was evidence of that.  A few Muslim clerics called for peace -- at the prices of their heads. A few of them.

All too often the peace-loving Muslims are far too quiet [and meek, maybe even cowardly?] for my comfort.  If they don't START speaking up [particularly in Western nations which protects their rights] then they are enablers and, morally speaking, no better than the nuts.

What are those old sayings:  Silence gives assent.  All it takes for evil to advance is for good people to do nothing.

It does seem, imo, too often (and unfairly) that Americans are collectively branded very negatively, the peace-loving amongst us (at least 50% of the population if polls are any indication) are ignored/denied...yet Muslims get slathered with near-universal sympathy and benefit of the doubt.  roll

Americans aren't all that bad and Muslims aren't all that wonderful.

#147 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-31 10:30:22

The Muslim cartoon controversy: Should we give up our freedom of speech just because some of it offends some immigrant groups that come here? If they get offended by our freedom of speech, then they should not come here.

I agree with this.  Also, Australia has experienced troubles with Muslim youth deliberately targeting, attacking/raping Australian women because of "their immodest dress" (by Islamic standards).  Aussie women (this is occurring in Finland too, last I heard) are being labeled "whores" because they wear short-sleeved shirts, bathing suits, won't wear a jihab, etc.  Just last week a prominent Muslim cleric in Australia compared "immodestly dressed" Aussie women to a piece of meat...and who's to blame if the cats come to eat?  In other words it's okay for Muslim men to be so wildly beastial they cannot control their urges because she asked for it.  That swinish mentality is worthy of the stone age. It's also absurdly hypocritical.  Islam forbids sexual contact outside of marriage.  Yet punitive forced fornication is okay; she deserved it.

If I were Muslim and didn't like the dress codes of a nation I willingly moved to, I'd leave -- go back home.  But no, most (the loudest, most violent of them) won't conform or at least tolerate the difference; nope, their host nation is the one "who should change" to accommodate the immigrants.  roll  lol 

Assimilate or go home.  My grandparents immigrated to the US in the early 1900s; they adapted, learned English, obeyed the laws, worked hard, etc.  If they didn't like it here they could always go back to Czechoslovakia.  Universal sentiment applies.

Robert, how do you define the word "racism"?  I'm curious because when I think of suicide bombers I think of Muslims...just like when I think of the word "fascist" I think of Italy...or when I hear "kamikaze" I think of Japan.

Some people bring stereotypes onto themselves, just like "redneck" in America has bad connotations.  It's not fair [who said life was?] but it's not necessarily racist.

And racism isn't exclusive to whites, either.  Not by a long shot.  Militant Muslims attacking and raping white Australian women just because they're different are racists.

#148 Re: Not So Free Chat » I'll take malaprops for *5* Bob - Apropos of Nothing continues. . . » 2006-10-31 08:57:20

A number of people in the local Star Trek club claimed I look like "Q", so I decided to go with it. I got a Next Generation shirt with communicator badge and captain's collar pips. I just wear normal black pants, belt, black shoes, and a black T-shirt underneath

...oh that's right.  I recall your saying a year or two ago that folks think you resemble "Q."  I'm vaguely familiar with that character (have only seen the original ST, besides a handful of ST/TNG).  Cool.  Or should I say Q-llol

I'm much more of a Star Wars fan these days...thanks to Canadian actor Hayden Christensen primarily.  tongue

I have Halloween size Mars bars, nothing but Mars bars. Since I'm founder and president of the local chapter of the Mars Society I thought it an appropriate theme.

Certainly.  Speaking of Mars bars, I've not seen any for sale around here in years.  :?  Snickers Almond is as close as it gets.  We're passing out Star Crunch treats.  Star...amateur astronomer...that's me.

All my clothes from that time seem to be 2-4" smaller around the waist, I wonder how that happened?

Chocolate icecream cakes as prizes...?

#149 Re: Not So Free Chat » I'll take malaprops for *5* Bob - Apropos of Nothing continues. . . » 2006-10-31 07:30:53

:shock:

Robert, I'm trying to visualize that.  wink  Male belly dancer??  I dunno...that's quite an image.  wink  You'll go as Mr. Spock next year, right?

Speaking of belly dancers, around 1990 a newly-retired (and very homely) physician sent photos of he and wife's "round the world" travels to our clinic.  In one photo he was all cheesy schoolboy grin over a very beautiful, shapely belly dancer.  He wrote in the caption:  "Istanbul is very boring."

I thought to myself it probably is for the belly dancerlol

It's interesting and disturbing to see a woman I dated when I was 18 now has gained about 100 pounds, and her daughter is a teenager, about to be 18 herself.

...that and "average Joe's" on infomercials who are 43 but look 53; women my age pitching for Oil of Olay; my sister now having to dye her hair because there's too much grey.  :shock:  The 40's are an interesting age group to be in [I'm 41]; people either look really good...or really do not.  :-\ 

Anyway, glad you had fun.  Probably the most original costume I've ever seen actually involved a married couple.  Can't recall Randy's costume (this was in my early teens), but Cathy went as Oscar the Grouch -- including sitting in a trash can affixed to wheels which Randy pulled around all night long.  Lol!  smile

#150 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Spooky Nebula » 2006-10-31 07:13:12

Just in time for Halloween

I've never seen this nebula before.  APOD's intepretation is a bit different than my own; to me it's 3 ghouls fiendishly frolicking together.

Happy Halloween!  big_smile

--Cindy

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