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#1026 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-06 15:25:34

Colin Powell should have run for president.  I doubt he would have won, because he is black. 

But I would have to say the two most qualified men in the last election, were probably McCain and Keyes.  And both of them lost early.  The military is a whole different animal.  Anybody can succeed in the military.  usually in militaries, qualifications mean more, because on the battlefield, thats all that matters.

who else?  i have to think of a few examples.

and cal, you dont have to have someone else defend your rash statements.  what he said doesnt make what you said any more true.  why dont you point out the rest of my post?

#1027 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-06 15:18:28

Id think that we hold the president up to a higher standard.  After all, we spent $200 million, well, at least the republican congress did, to prove Clinton was unfaithful to his wife.  And Bush did stand on the WTC site promising the city $20 billion on national TV.  He can spend $100 billion on a war, but not $20 billion on the world's economic capital.

Lies:
1) Business connections with Enron.  Bush and Cheney have their hands very dirty.  Unfortunately, Democrats are too timid at this point to show the country how corrupt they really are.  This would be a far better use of $200 million than Ken Starr.

2) Oil is clean.  Do I have to elaborate?

3) $20 billion to NYC

4) Saddam Hussein is tied to Al-Qaeda.

5) He didn't know the mic was on when he called a reporter an asshole.  real honesty.

should i keep going?

#1028 Re: Not So Free Chat » What do you think of this? » 2003-01-06 15:13:28

they did abide by the law

and our great country, as you know, is secular, so the grace of god means nothing.

and i was referring to republicans telling people every nation bush has labelled as "evil" is out to get us.  I've got relatives from most parts of the world who laugh at the idea that north korea would nuke us.  Even though we did fulfill our part of the nuclear reactor deal (we built 1, europe was supposed to build the other), they want to be a world power.  what right do we have to say no?  what has north korea done to us?

how many immigrants are there from arab nations?  and how many have done anything?  if we shipped out all illegals in this country, our economy would freeze.  and thats a fact.

#1029 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-06 15:08:17

Can someone tell me where I can get my skin-pigment changed?

you just justified any criticism.  You live in Colorado.  To see what minorities are treated like, come to New York City.  Take a look around Queens, Harlem. 

We treat everyone equally, yet weve never had a female or minority president or vice president.

to say that everyone is treated equally is brutally ignorant.  nobody labelled you KKK, white supremacist stereotype.  You did that yourself.

#1030 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can someone explain Propaganda - Speak what u like! » 2003-01-06 14:56:44

Half a million children killed by sanctions is crap.  I dont support sanctions, but they dont kill people.  thats a myth.  iraq can get as much food as they want.  the oil-for-food limits are only in place because iraq used the money for such things as soviet garbage trucks that they converted into mobile missle launchers.

that is the only issue i have with this article.

#1031 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-01-06 14:38:42

Josh-those quotes are silly.  let me analyze:

PROPERTY is the suicide of society.  Possession is a right; property is against right.  Suppress property while maintaining possession, and, by this simple modification of the principle, you will revolutionize law, government, economy, and institutions; you will drive evil from the face of the earth.

First of all, like I said, a house is property.  Do I not have a right to own a house?  It goes against most economic principles.


III. The effect of labor being the same for all, property is lost in the common prosperity.

IV. All human labor being the result of collective force, all property becomes, in consequence, collective and unitary.  To speak more exactly, labor destroys property.

Quite frankly, this doesnt make sense.  Labor destroys property?  It sounds nice, but it doesn't mean anything.  And let me point out that all labor is not equal.  It is exemplified in nature as well as humanity.  There are strong people, quick people, smart people, etc.  Not all people have the same capabilities.



V. Every capacity for labor being, like every instrument of labor, an accumulated capital, and a collective property, inequality of wages and fortunes (on the ground of inequality of capacities) is, therefore, injustice and robbery.

See above.  Would you pay the same for a diamond bracelet as you would for cubic zirconium?

VII. Products are bought only by products.  Now, the condition of all exchange being equivalence of products, profit is impossible and unjust.  Observe this elementary principle of economy, and pauperism, luxury, oppression, vice, crime, and hunger will disappear from our midst.

This is hilarious.  This is the barter system.  What does money represent?  The value of goods.  So in a way, the dollar is a good just like bread.  This statement claims to be in the economic right, but its really not.

X. Politics is the science of liberty.  The government of man by man (under whatever name it be disguised) is oppression.  Society finds its highest perfection in the union of order with anarchy.

Name me one example of successful anarchy in nature or human history.

#1032 Re: Not So Free Chat » Earth from space on TV - Whole Earth viewed in full-time on TV » 2003-01-06 14:05:57

NASA does have earth view on for hours and hours a day, but that might be only available via satellite  ???

#1033 Re: Not So Free Chat » Can someone explain Propaganda - Speak what u like! » 2003-01-06 05:47:36

The media...is liberal?  Yeah, the same media that plastered Clinton's infidelity on the front page didnt touch bush and cheneys business deals. 

The American media is very republican right now.  They step right in line with whatever war the president wants. 

And "The Axis of Evil" is a perfect example of propoganda....inciting the west to believe that these three countries are about to nuke us.

#1034 Re: Not So Free Chat » I herd there gonna start drafting - the draft » 2003-01-06 05:45:04

Caltech, I know your point, but that RARELY happens, to put it lightly.

#1035 Re: Not So Free Chat » What do you think of this? » 2003-01-06 05:42:45

are you dense?  months and months before hand is not last minute.  yeah, they all knew, oh jeez, the INS will be calling a meeting tomorrow, im using my psychic power to figure this out.  let me go renew my visa NOW.

please.  most of them renewed months in advance, just like they should.  stop blindly falling for republican crap.

#1036 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-01-06 05:40:22

Riiight.  honest hahahah.  Liberal lazy eye?  Try your own blind eye.  Bush is stupid, and he hasnt even delivered 25% of the promised funds to New York after 9/11.  It's what, a year and a half later?  Hmmmm.  There are too many lies to point out.

I guess lining your pockets with oil money while squashing any opposition is a good, honest virtue.

#1037 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-01-06 05:29:00

However, we should remember that nuclear power is unnecessary for relatively cheap and efficient transport between Earth and Mars. Of course nuclear thermal and nuclear electric propulsion, as well as rotating tethers and Mars beanstalks should be used in the long run, but in the short term, why bother with the expense of development and production, as well as serious political opposition to nuke powered rockets? Building an Energia derived ultra HLLV is cheap and easy, so we don't have to spend billions of dollars on exotic new propulsion systems in order to squeeze each mission onto a dozen Delta IV heavies. Americans should be telling their politicians public servants to divert two percent of the $480 billion a year war machine budget to build some spaceships and GO NOW! Once the programme is well underway, several manned landings have been made, and the momentum is unstoppable, then we can get to work on increased utilization of nuclear power in space.

nuclear power is cheaper, can release more payload, and is ready now.  id like to know where youre getting your information from.  theres no multi billion dollar research or exotic technology.  This is also 1960's proven work, some of it even ground tested.  Chemical propulsion, in the end, will cost us far more, and do far less.

#1038 Re: Human missions » Mars Needs You! - What would you pay to finance Mars » 2003-01-05 20:24:00

bill gates donates $1 billion a year to charity, think $100 million could find its way to space programs?

#1039 Re: Planetary transportation » Air Transportation on Mars - Gravity's affect on Air travel on Mars » 2003-01-05 20:22:07

Neutrino->i thought that using certain solar panels, scattered light is just as efficient as direct light? thats according to zubrins book (case for mars maybe...or both...)

#1040 Re: Human missions » Mars Needs You! - What would you pay to finance Mars » 2003-01-05 18:47:47

polls dont work, but i would spend $1k+ if i had the money. keep the amount of land available to the public limited though, and give a large amount of land to the people who get there (50 km radius sounds about right to me).

#1041 Re: Space Policy » Idea - Infiltration » 2003-01-05 18:46:08

design a probe jointly with nasa, have the mars society name plastered all over the launch site and probe, and have it called the NASA-Mars Society Joint Exploration Initiative.

#1042 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-01-05 09:20:35

solar panels on every home is something i advocate.  wind power is nice where possible, same with geothermal.  nuclear power plants could also be put in regions with a very low population density, like upstate new york, parts of the midwest, etc. 

nuclear islands is a good idea.  it might be a good idea to store hot water for a while so it can cool off before releasing the water back into the ocean, sea, etc.

#1043 Re: Mars Society International » MS Goof » 2003-01-05 08:35:39

they didnt actually say that the image shown was the orion nebula, they said that the first thing they saw was the orion nebula...they should have said that the shown image was the whirlpool galaxy  :0

#1044 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2003-01-05 08:05:59

it can be interpreted however you want it to be interpreted.  its not about propoganda.  if i listened to everything i was fed, i wouldnt post here, and i wouldnt be atheist  ???

#1045 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-01-05 08:04:09

the radiation from TMI didnt kill, or even injure anyone.  the reaction was purely psychological.

http://www.libraries.psu.edu/crsweb/tmi/accidnt.htm

#1046 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2003-01-05 07:18:04

Josh-the pledge and money, its mainly symbollic.  imho, thats a stupid argument.  im atheist, but i fell off my chair laughing when i heard about the pledge protest. 

its more of a symbol of a more binding agreement, a higher authority (in a legal sense) binding our words.  The idea of a greater good, in a way. 

the whole idea that we are religious tyrants because of two phrases is funny.  i agree, some presidents have let religion dilute their decisions (*cough stemcells cough*), but i have to disagree with your examples.

#1048 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Calling All Anarchists - Definition, please? » 2003-01-05 06:51:15

so nobody owns anything?  i can walk over onto my neighbors lawn and sleep there?  jee, i think ill go over to the white house and take a nap, and a nice stroll in the oval office.

#1049 Re: Human missions » We as a civilization need a manned mission to Mars - It is a step toward where we need to be. » 2003-01-05 06:42:37

nasa has to get everything approved by the government.  thats the problem-nasa is already inefficient.  if we made an organization independent from any single government controlling all operations, more could be done.

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