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You know I still admire much about what the USA stood for, and America has often been a place of greatness. However it also gets quiet messed up at times, and there are certain issues.
Its a shame how all the mud slinging goes on, and how people are trying to politically screw each other over.  Now for the Kerry issue.

and what he ( Kerry ) said:

"I would like to talk to you a little bit about what the result is of the feelings these men carry with them after coming back from Vietnam. The country doesn't know it yet, but it has created a monster, a monster in the form of millions of men who have been taught to deal and to trade in violence, and who are given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history; men who have returned with a sense of anger and a sense of betrayal which no one has yet grasped."

How the moron rightwingnutbags, like our Earthfirst twist it:

"Kerry said that Vietnam vets were ' Barbarian baby killers'!"

Let's get back to the Sinclair media issue and TV channels to rubbish Kerry as ' Traitor ' on eve of US election

The Sinclair Broadcast Group is going to force other sations to show an anti-Kerry video calling the democrats Traitors .
Sinclair has ordered its 62 stations to air the program just a few days before the real election day - on November 2.

"No one has ever lost votes by lying to the American people!" In the ultimate Orwellian convolution, the draft dodger (Bush) has become the war hero, and the genuine war hero (Kerry) has become a war criminal! In the recently concluded Republican Convention at New York, the name of Osama Bin Laden, the real criminal, and Al Qaeda, the real criminal den were not mentioned even once. The message of the carefully choreographed convention was simple: Osama and Al Qaeda had morphed into a new enemy: Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry! Bush and the Republicans' rallying cry was: forget Osama and Al Qaeda, America must destroy this new, even more sinister enemy, John Kerry.

The Sinclair Group has made large donations to President Bush's re-election campaign. The company made news in April when it ordered seven stations not to air another program that featured a roll call of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.

While Mr. Bush has spent $200 billion so far on the war in Iraq, average Americans are hurting. Bush's ill-advised tax cut for the wealthy has resulted in a record $422 billion budget deficit this year alone. Unemployment remains high, close to 6 per cent. Mr. Bush will go down in history as the first President since Herbert Hoover during the depression of the 1920s to record a net loss of jobs during his 4 years in office. Between January 2001 and November 2004, America will have lost at least one million jobs. The stock market is sputtering; the NASDAQ is down 60 per cent from its all time high. More Americans are without health insurance than ever. Mr. Bush has appointed the most rightwing judges to the nation's courts. His environmental record is atrocious. Last week, to please the gun lobby he let the ban on assault weapon lapse after ten years, infuriating the law enforcement agencies who will be the prime target of these weapons. Bush has no exit strategy for Iraq.

Federal election law prohibits corporations and labor unions from engaging in or funding "electioneering communication" within 60 days of an election.

Sinclair's markets clearly reach more than 50,000 people. They clearly intend to broadcast an anti-Kerry smear-umentary within very few days of the election. Few reasonable people would call "Stolen Honor" news any more than they'd call "Fahrenheit 9/11" news.

John Kerry's rise in the polls always seems to be quickly followed by the raising of the terror threat level by Attorney General Ashcroft and Homeland Security Secretary Ridge. This way Americans are scared into rallying around the commander-in-chief. Last weak, Vice President Cheney told Americans that if Kerry is elected, America will be hit again by terrorist. The press reported it as "Vote for Bush or Die!"

Sinclair Broadcasting Group, which owns the largest chain of TV stations in the United States, has told its stations to broadcast a documentary accusing Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and democrats of betraying the United Sates of America.

I am not a lawyer, and if you think Federal election law is confusing, you're not alone. Having said that, it certainly appears to me that Sinclair Broadcasting intends to violate Federal election law, specifically the prohibition of corporate election campaigning within 60 days of an election

John Kerry has forgotten how vicious the Bushes can be.

In 2000, when the junior Bush's campaign was faltering and Senator John McCain's surging, the Bushies circulated lies that MCCain was a traitor against the United Sates, and that his adopted daughter from Bangladesh, Brigitte, is actually his daughter with a black prostitute!

CBS News apologized under pressure last month, saying it could not verify the authenticity of documents it used in a segment dealing with President Bush's National Guard service record.

The media and the entertainment industry have frequently been in the spotlight in the run-up to this year's presidential election.

Sinclair in April told its ABC-affiliated stations not to show a "Nightline" show on which the names of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq were read.

News reports say The Sinclair Group has made large donations to President Bush's re-election campaign. The company made news in April when it ordered seven stations not to air another program that featured a roll call of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq. Sinclair TV Group, who tried to block news on the Enron corruption , the stations that made little mention of Cheney's robbery
can you say Halliburton ?
and whose executives have given tens of thousands of dollars to President George W Bush's
They have revealed plans to show the smear film calling hima a traitor and attacking Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry just days before US the election

The United States founding fathers would be turning in their graves !!

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The Bush plans for Mars, a real class act !! 

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George Bush tryin' a Fool us with a nice Martain stunt

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The IMF warned that increased federal debt from the deficits would make funding social security and healthcare more difficult.Robert Rubin, former treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, along with other senior economists, last week published a report warning that the Bush administration's record deficits will have "severe adverse consequences" for all Americans and is unsustainable. Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) is sounded a note of caution
"Cost estimates for the new programs range from $550 billion to $1 trillion," said CAGW President Tom Schatz. "Until the federal government brings the record deficit back down to Earth, it should not launch expensive new space programs of questionable scientific value."
The Congressional Budget Office estimated Monday that the federal budget deficit would swell to $477 billion this year, a record in terms of the sheer number of dollars involved
Bush hasn't offered any more specifics for cutting the deficit, and -- according to some analysts -- what plans he has proposed seem more likely to grow the deficit, including:
What's more, spending on Social Security and Medicare -- "mandatory" budget expenditures -- will skyrocket by the end of the decade, as millions of baby boomers begin to retire, de Rugy and other analysts say.

"This is like running up a credit card debt and asking our kids to pay for it in the future -- it's fiscal child abuse," de Rugy said.

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It is quiet possible that
Neither Bush or Kerry will have anything great to do for NASA and getting people in Space

However the Bush ideas seem much worse, so Kerry wins out becuase the Bush plans are bad or just won't happen and Kerry would be better for space

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewt … hp?t=15147

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Some papers were just plain mean. Britain's Guardian documented Mars' irrelevance to everyone but red rock aficionados and then turned its biting sarcasm directly at Bush: "Take-off is planned for the year 2020, or later if they let Dubya do the final countdown from 10 to lift-off."

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So Kerry wins

its going to be a close election between Bush  and Kerry

I don't mean to mock or laugh at the Americna president, but I was wondering if he has a mental problem such as difficulty with speaking or a slight reading disability ? I recall about 3 years ago some American doctor said something like after asking a third expert, who said, "Bush is probably dyslexic" or some problem like this. There are just so many gaffes, bungles and stutters when he talks or is he just nervous about talking in public ?

???

Over a year ago he caused a little madness in the Asian economies and US stock market when  George W Bush made a statement about "devaluation" in Japan , he was meant to address the  problem of "deflation", but because he brought up this other sudden-subject it caused cash to fall and stocks to drop, the next day of course Bush aides hastened to clear up the confusion, saying the president - in Japan as part of an Asian tour - had "misspoken

does Bush have some kind of slight  disability ?

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No I don't think its Atlantis but Irish have some very old stuff

building about 5,000 or 6,000 years old ? Much older than pyramids, built many things by older communities and groups of people back then, and had much undersatnding of math, building and stars
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The the way stones and rocks are in the place, on the shortest day of the year the light from our Sun goes down a massive chamber and lights up some tomb where some important person was buried

I have always heard Altantis is under the sea, so it would not be Ireland

good debate, lots happening
Kerry doesn't look solid enough with no real charm, points out many probelms but doesn't give answers, Kerry with no strong personality
Bush avoids questions and humms and errs like a school-kid, he was a bit shaken by some facts, Bush will use his old plan with no real outlook or new plan for dealing with the growing problems

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' This Land '

The only way to look at an election that's going to get messy

People have lost faith in the Bush plan, many say it was just a stunt and since he announced his idea there are a number of high people who have seen some problems with it plus many American magazines have made a joke of Plan-Bush to Mars

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'How do I get back' the cartoon looks like a silly joke but is it?

Bush had outlined a pay-as-you-go approach, NASA's portion of the $2.2 trillion federal budget will have to be $16.2 billion in 2005, up from $15.5 billion in 2004. However with the shakey economy, the cost of security and bombings in Iraq , congress cutting NASA on the Apollo aniversary and rising debt it looks like the Bush plan might have been a stunt. The Major components of the president's plan, must be approved by Congress for NASA to anywhere near Mars again, and after the Genesis crash there are some calling for more safety checks and better management from NASA.
Going to Mars is a wonderful idea but is plan-Bush the right way to do it?

we have to learn how to make our stuff built in space long lasting, make them profitbale and self sustaining otherwise people will say we shouldn't be spending money on going to Mars

I would also say

Failure to win the global-political and propaganda, for example it's no good saying We are here to Bring Freedom to Iraq people
meanwhile Rumsfield's guys are doing crimes and torture in  Abu-Graib :down:

this is another battle lost, the propaganda war going down hill  :rant:

That was bad, well maybe all these problems can be fixed soon