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Well variable intelligence is a human condition and NASA is made of humans. Funny how they can put a rover on Mars and can not take a color image and send it back.

See, I knew those metric units were going to be a problem.

Vincent

We all hear about the Mars berries. Strange, I didn’t think concretions would have baby berries inside. Looks like a cracked pod.

Vincent

Well damn you got to say. Why should I talk to a guy with the name Vincent about color.

Do not ask me, all I got to say is the sadness last forever.

Talk to me why I am still here.

Vincent

Nope, an uneducated redneck youth who listened to the masters. Knowledge is perpetual.

The Greeks had it going on. We are just more of them. The best damn breakfast in the US.

No Disrespect. Your culture was the beginning like Mesopotamia. We should all bow.

Vincent

Now we know who Vincent really is. Spring is special on our planet. The atmosphere warms from the bottom and cools from the top.

Today we have Winter aloft moving over spring in the mid-Atlantic. Snow is falling over western NC high country. Looking out convective cumulus has formed stratocumulus.

The radar will light up in the next 20 minutes. 50F is like 101F in the summer. Mamatus is visible. This is cool stuff

Vincent

What do we see? Visible interpretation seems to be a receptor issue. In other words a fly does not see what a human sees.

Visible data interpretation seems to be of great debate even amongst our selves.

The question is what is visible data and can we carry it from one geosphere to another.

Yep, that’s a new word.

Vincent

Past and Present life on Mars

Alien life is a challenge because we only have our Earth as a baseline. Even on our planet an individual that spent his whole life in a Rain Forrest could not understand the biosphere of Death Valley. Then we have the Artic life forms, just a red patch on snow.

The beauty of a forum like this is the ability to share ideas and different view points. On Titan water acts as lava on Earth. Water volcanoes with liquid water on the surface behaving like lava. Water is a mineral there and rocks are a collection of minerals. Are we rocks? Nah, lets not go there.

There are some images that have come down from Mars that the Geologist were quick to answer and as time goes on are still scratching their heads. Are they concretions, must be, no wait this guy says they are precipitants from an impact surge.

I figure I will start a current thread and revisit the images. A second look some times opens up debate and better understanding. As we understand the effects of temperature, pressure and time I believe we will find we are, “Just a Rock.” Dang I said I was not going to go there.

The first order is Fossils. If we saw them could we tell. First, They say that seas were on Mars. Earth has seas and we have sea shells. The first two images are stereo 3D of possible sea shells.

Vincent is a pen name like, Mark Twain. Vincent is real in cyberspace because he is a collection of everyone I have met and learned from.

Take a look and say what you think.

Vincent

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Like I said everyone has their opinion. Who is right nobody knows. Some people try and make it simple with the L4L5L6 filters. Some have an even bigger calculator and incorporate L2L7.

Like I said no true color images just opinions. Best guess was a gross over simplification, but true never the less.

Vincent

cIclops

I enjoyed going through your images. It seems I spend too much time on Mars, lol.

I have been around and listened to the debate from all sides from the first Viking images from 1976. No true color images , just someone’s best guess. Looks sort of Tan to me.
We will know for sure one day.

Vincent

Good question.

We know water is there in frozen form. We know that the pressure at the surface is above the triple point of water or 6.1 millibars. We know that the temperatures in this region have reached +95F. We know that water can stay liquid on Earth to -10F.

So we have water on the planet and all the parameters have been met so it could be water.

We know CO2 is there in the form of ice. The surface pressure is well below the 5000 millibars needed for liquid CO2. Temperatures would need to be below  -80C. So pressure and Temp would rule out liquid CO2.

I know of no other possibilities, maybe some one else does.

I believe CO2 gas is the subterranean propellant as water rises closer to the surface and CO2 is released from the water.

Hear is another eruption area close to Endurance crater. Nice vent in the red box.

Vincent

This is one of my favorites from  Pathfinder at, Sagan Memorial Station.

Morning Clouds.

Mars has tremendous temperatures swings as we all know with saturation even at the surface, looks like Earth.

The forecast may go,

Morning clouds giving way to partly to mostly sunny skies. Continued cold with light winds.

Vincent

Interesting maps and point to a very active hydro cycle

We know a couple of things for sure:

Mars has global dust storms on a regular bases so any water in the first 3 ft is recent. With the low daytime humidity values it could not survive for long in that environment.

All of the spacecraft have shown areas of catastrophic surface eruptions, floods. The rover Opportunity has seen evidence of recent ground water eruptions. Ground water is still the source.

Sol 120 Oppy

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