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the dark ages must be coming;

if you can make technology out of it, there must be something to it; if a peer review claims the science that created a technology is false . . . they'd better have a damned good reason!

I remember some guy coming up to me and telling me how these oregon researchers had peer reviewed confirmation of some psychic technology . . . so . . . why are they not taking over the world with this amazing technology?!  Because they are all bullshiters!

it almost sounds to me that a major reason China is slow to act on lots of science and technology is because they are constantly reanalyzing based on every more data that comes in. You could say that is a bad thing, but, in a way, it is a measure of just when humanity will be ready to green light and go out into space, or if it is even possible.

You wouldn't happen to be a superstringtheory.com vet would you?

As for Crn? Well, I suppose your Bin Laden point kind of reminds me of Crn's point about U.S. officers being 'used' to fighting for democracy, and I did some walking up and down my driveway trying to see what I can see about your Bin Laden thread and I'm thinking Crn; i did come up with the fact that humanity will be dependent on mnt, so, they won't go Ludditing the master mnt unit; the question becomes how long does the social situation last?

i'd also point out that entropy is at work in our machine powered agriculturalism; molecular manufacturing seems about the only thing that can really save us if we just stay here on earth, but that just seems to get harder and harder(myself, I see Feynman's top down approach as the only real way to build Drexlers strained and stressed out molecules to ever get built; they should be able to start making molecular sized stm's around 2020; that's when serious work in mnt will start). Why take the chance?

And of yes, about the theory of all the eggs in one basket; if humanity gets wiped out by an asteroid on one planet, there'll be humanity in another basket able to resupply the other backet if one should get taken out somehow; i don't think you understand the theory.

I myself am not going to read in detail all the latest posts in this thread, but, I've been recently noting how every time I point out the immaturity of people, all of a sudden the whole world is just rosy!  There is definitelly a denial; is Gcnr wrong about conspiracy theories then?  Yes and No; as I remarked to one friend of mine who also told me I'm crazy for thinking there's a lot of crazies out there; this world is to big for a James Bond scenario(meaning some guy about to take over the world); and! it is so big that there is bound to be some cheating and conspiracy(i'm tempted to name this one really big one, but even I flinch at pointing that one out! Well, actually, since I'm using parantheses, I can point it out here; Jesus Christ!  Yes, the sun of god; that's right!  the 'sun' of god; sun gods were plentiful long before 'Jesus Christ' who by the way was never mentioned for hundreds of years till the Roman Empire decided to unify the empire by a single 'Sun' god.)

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology … sis-1.html

http://www.physorg.com/news73061932.html

I remember reading about this Stuckelburg guy in "The Second Creation." He theorized lots of stuff but published them in obscure mags and never got all kinds of credit; nice to see his name attached for as long as humanity survives!

I'd also quote the last paragraph,

"USE OF SPACE NUCLEAR SCIENCE SAGA WILL CONTINUE

So, the question begs an answer. Is space nuclear science any closer to mission in space? No one can say for sure officially if a premier fission space reactor in either NEP/NTR or bimodal form for civilian use is closer to mission in space. One glaring fact remains if we are in this corner of the universe members of the only sentient master tool makers with reason and intellect continue to delay its full use in the near term in space. It may make the difference between a vacant view of an undiscovered solar system or a vibrant solar system in full bloom to a human diaspora making it possible to bridge other stellar systems that hold the promise of human habitability."

Well, why are we not being more vocal about nuklear propulsion?

. . . 'July 20th', 1969!

well, if it makes everybody feel better, my father is the same way(as Gcr); i can't help noticing that I've never had a conversation about physics/cosmological ideas with my father; this guy was raised in a garage and the garage was a chemistry set; he's got a physics degree and masters in aerospace engineering; he's worked on the apollo rocketdine engines and the space shuttle and he was in charge of the star wars program, but he just doesn't care about science anymore!

not enough smily's!