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I appreciate your curiosity (th).  But I am very disappointed in you playing a race card and making a false assertion: "who took part in the storming of the Capital".

Your manner of behavior is also very suspect as you do not seem to have the moral standing that I should expect.

I only posted my last post to establish a limit to the false shading of the truth.

By Feds. we indicate Federal forces  Ice, FBI, etc.  So far they are mostly targeting both citizens and non-citizens who are involved in criminal activities.

There is no crime indicated if they were from that action in the capital.  I do not believe that there is any way that they would just wholesale grab people, who took part.

But if they did and these "Feds" committed a crime in doing their task, then they too would be criminals to prosecute.  But you must show evidence to prosecute them in that case.  If someone committed such a crime it would not mater if they had ever been at the capitol or not.  What would matter is that they committed a crime.

Let me ask you a question.  Me being presumed to be so called "White", if I snuck into China or Zaire without the proper permissions, should I complain if the authorities there do not give me free benefits, and imprison me or expel me from their country?  Never mind that it would be a fervor if they expelled me.

Criminal activity in this state and others, in association with those who have other bad purposes, have provoked the immune system of the immune system of the United States Federal Government, by getting way too far out of hand.  My response is to be respectful of the authority represented and stay out of the way.

Anyone who is interfering should understand that they are very likely going into a data base, and the cars they drive are going into a data base along with their licenses.  Even blowing a whistle to interfere with Federal authority is going to put them in a bad place.  Technically is is a criminal act.

There is no Black or Brown or White, There are only skin tones.  Your use of the race card is a very low behavior.

It is my opinion that some entities on this web site do not know how to walk on their hind paws yet.

In any cases the forces of the Democrats party are fighting a losing battle.  The still inherit the Confederacy.  These are people of various skin tones who seek to create lower classes that they can exploit from a vertical position.  And as always they try to attack the republic people from a horizontal position.

It is the problem of slavery once again.  Bring "Slaves" in from Somalia or other places, work with them to skim money out of the system, try to buy up all the land and make common people into trash.

The European descended people of this country, particularly the Eurasian ones, did not want that going on.  Even the bulk of the people of what we now call the south reject the practices of the Democrat-Confederates now.

But these devils have set up nests for themselves in high trust cultures elsewhere in the union.

I will tell you something that you can believe or not.  What you have seen emerge is only the beginning.  Not because I might say that, but because I do not believe that the collections of humans are random particles, rather something like software persists in them.

No, you cannot call me a raciest, whatever that is, I have a neighbor family who have darker skin tones.  They have pets and children and they cause me no trouble, and I wish them no harm.

You need to regard the "George Floyd" riots different than you have been presented.  That was orchestrated to burn down neighborhoods so that modern day confederates could do real estate deals at favorable prices and pry their ways into our north communities.

I will only reluctantly if it all participates in your Not So Free chat.  I don't care to interact with emotional and not truth-seeking people.

Reality is self-repairing.  People usually call their own corrections to themselves by their own behaviors.

If you want, I could say that I believe that from abut 1925 to 2008, the Yin was in action and now we are in a very young Yang.  They being contrary to each other, you should not expect as apparently the democrat "Used to be cool" of the Hippies will get their wish to have the '60's and 70's again.  We are not plantation owners and don't want to be.

You should expect more and more the correction of the last "Confederate" Saeculum.  (See the Fourth Turning).

I intend to harmonize with the new correcting Saeculum.  Those who do not will go down.

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I want to say that I do not regard the governor here as Minnesotan.  He is not from here.  And of course, the immigrants that came here and are encouraged to criminal activity are also not like us. 

Of course we are capable of sin and crime, but they are not us.

As for those stupid people harassing the feds, that is what they are is misguided stupid people.  I have little doubt that they are incited by criminals that have gotten control of leftist organizations to lead these people astray.

I am quite well here 30 minutes away from that place.  I contracted a relative who is closer, they are OK as well.

I will be entirely happy if the Feds lower the boom.  I don't want those stupid people to get hurt, but it is on them for being stupid.  I guess they have a rad lesson coming.

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This video started to disappoint me about Neumann Drive and Magdrive, but later explains that they could be given nuclear power and be sized up, and indeed may well do what we could desire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRDSbr5Fit0
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He also supports lithobraking some metal scrap onto the Moon for future use.

Here is a description of the crater proposed for the lithobraking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_(crater)
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So, he seems to support some concepts that I support but he proposes nuclear reactors for the metal thrusters,  (Nuclear Electric).

Scaled up Nuclear Arc Thrusters that use metals as propellants.

So, I am encouraged.

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Here is the parent site for the video: https://www.youtube.com/@SpaceStartupNews/featured

It looks like a good resource.

Here is a more detailed video about the Neumann Drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtwrP1lrJQ

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Returning to a concept of a in-orbit booster, I think it could be competitive with Nuclear-Thermal.

Nuclear-Thermal-Hydrogen will do much better than Hydro-Lox, we are told, to get humans to Mars more quickly.  But that has to assume that
You transported huge amounts of Hydrogen from a source.to go to Mars you need it from Earth or the Moon.  The Moon would have to be developed first, And then to return to Earth from Mars, you need a lot of Hydrogen from Mars.  You probably will not be aerobraking into Earth's atmosphere with a nuclear fission drive.

Two things I retain from Dr. Robert Zubrin are:
1) If you have more power, rather than to take a faster trip, take more payload.
2) Use a path to Mars with a "Free-Return" option.

Humans and Cargo can be handled to some extent as separate things. 

You probably want humans headed to Mars to have a "Free-Return" option.  But you might prefer to add consumables to such a mission, as if you are forced to do a "Free-Return", you will need them.

Cargo in bulk could be done on ships that do not access the "Free-Return" option so they may be slower than that.

Also Cargo, might be brought to orbits of Mars using efficient electric rocket propulsions.

The "Star-Kicker" could be useful to launch a Starship that would have extra supplies to survive a 2 year "Free-Return".  That ship would likely be for human transport.  In such a case, the Star-Kicker may or may not be expendable.

Here is that video again that mentions "Star-Kicker": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqERiN848DY
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In early implementation of missions to Mars, it would almost certainly be expendable and abandon to a Ghost orbit somewhere.

But depending on the existence and nature of "Water Stations". the "Star-Kicker" could be dropped off at a higher energy orbit "Water Station" somewhere.  If might be refilled and then fly back to another location to be reused.

I might assert, that more than one "Star-Kicker" could be stacked.  Presuming that the structure could endure the thrusting, you could have two or more "Star-Kickers", attached to a Starship.  I am not sure what the mission would be to justify that but it could be an available service.

And then if you want to play games, you could convert "Star-Kickers" into drop tanks.  You would have to pull the engines out of them and plumb pairs of them to mount sideways to a Starship.  So, for instance three times the propellants and using the engines of the actual Starship to burn it all.

That may give access to the deep outer solar systerm, I am guessing.

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The idea of a floating island well sized to a pond which could rotate to follow the sun, allowing better solar panel performance, could be hindered by winter ice.

However, moving water can melt holes in ice, on rivers and even lakes.

https://www.elitedockbubbler.com/
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So, a pond almost entirely covered by a floating island could retain considerable heat in the water at it's bottom provided the pond were greater than 6 feet deep as I recall.

If you included a means of melting the ice by swirling that warmer water onto the water at the perimeter, of the floating island, you might be able to keep ice from gluing the island in place to the shore.  A bubbler method might work.

And during the winter, you might also add heat back into the pond using solar energy.

Such a pond almost fully covered by a floating island, might engage in a simulation of the pickling process of a natural bog.  So the decay rate of the floating island might be slow. 

While you could rely in part on decay to insert tiny bubbles into the mesh of the floating island, it could be that burning something and then pumping the exhaust under the floating island would do rather nicely, as it would be deficient of Oxygen.

I am not sure how artificial saltwater bogs would work, but the salt might be assistive in pickling the floating island.

As I have said before you might include vapor barriers to reduce evaporation from a saltwater or brine bog, floating island.

The idea of a floating island, is then that it can rotate during the day, helping to present an array of solar panels to the sun, with one degree of mobility, and a bio-bearing.

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There are two things I would like to explore further:
1) In-space boosters, uniform and mixed.
2) Expendable, (Not-Really).

Star Kicker would be a Uniform Fuel in-space booster.  As described, the booster is one use and then abandoned, but could be used in a Expendable (Not-Really) device.

I have mentioned "Water Stations" and implied that they would be in circular orbits for the most part, but there also could be elliptical examples.

Using Star-Kicker, it seems that a Starship may be able to after the boost be able to continue to the Moon, land, and then come back to LEO.

But as was said, the Star-Kicker would be abandoned in a space orbit for now.  But its reuse would be very desirable.

Although a "Water Station" might support Hydro-Lox, it also could perhaps support Metha-Lox.  I am expecting that these stations will be resupplied by some type of electric rocket propulsion.  I have mentioned Argon/Xenon, Magdrive, and Neumann Drive as possible options.

As the system developed it might have substances like Water, Carbon, and Iron oxide brought to orbit from Earth and to some lesser extent the Moon (Carbon is unlikely for the Moon).

SpaceX is rumored to want to be able to build 10,000 ships a year.  Well, some can be made so that upon reaching LEO+, the ship is split into an upper part which can be used as a resource in LEO+, and the "Locomotive" which is the propulsion section, which can be used as a Star Kicker.

With these substances, and perhaps a few more minor substances, the "Water Stations" could synthesize Propellants.  Hydro-Lox, Metha-Lox, Iron (For Magdrive and Neumann Drive).

Where electric rockets are efficient most bulk freight would be handled by them where they can operate.

Here is that video where "Star-Kicker" is mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqERiN848DY

Pause to watch again.............

Let's imagine that Star-Kicker does not use all of its propellants, to boost a Stubby Starship.  It then may use the balance of it's propellants to join with a "Water Station".  That "Water Station" could be in a circular orbit or a elliptical orbit.

Maybe a circular orbit in geosynchronous, maybe an Elliptical orbit that poised between LEO+ and some higher orbit where a "Water Station" exists in a circular orbit.  So, the Star-Kicker could be refilled at a "Water Station", perhaps in an elliptical orbit.  When it nets near either the low end of the orbit or the high end of the orbit it may do a burn to join with a circular orbit "Water Station".

An alternative that would take longer is for an electric tug to grab it on its path and bring it to a water station.

For instance, an electric tug bringing resources (Water, Carbon, Iron Oxide, etc.) to a "Water Station" on its way back to the source of those materials might be able to grab a used "Star Kicker" and bring it to a "Water Station".

So both sections of such a ship are put to further uses.  The upper portion may become part of a LEO+ Space Station, or might become salvage for other purposes such as metal propellants for Magdrive or Neumann Drive.

The "Locomotive Section" might be more reusable than an Atmospheric or Lunar Starship might be.

So this type of in-space booster is serial in deployment.  It is series with the Starship.

But a Parallel booster might be possible as well.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxserp=0
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Parallel Booster system using H2:

The Starship O2 tank would service both the CH4 and H2 combustion processes, so would need to be sized appropriately.

Two distinct uses are to land on the Moon and ascend from the Moon, and perhaps to travel from "Water Station" to "Water Station".

The H2 tanks will not be intended for long term filling.  You would fill them at a "Water Station", which could be on the Moon or in an orbit.
You would immediately burn off all the H2, and then fall back on CH4 as your fuel.

So, in landing on the Moon, the H2 tanks would be empty and would serve as part of the landing gear.  The landing would be done with the CH4, and O2.

The H2 tanks would be designed to absorb damage is the landing was too hard.  Of course, then they could not be reused.  But if the H2 tanks were in good shape then the H2 tanks could be refilled just prior to launch from the Lunar "Water Station".  The Oxygen tank could also be topped off on the Moon.  The early part of the launch would burn all the H2, and the rest of the launch would depend on the CH4.

The assembly arriving at an orbital "Water Station" could be refilled with H2, CH4, and O2 as desired.

If needed or desired, after H2 is consumed, the parallel booster could be dropped off of the Starship to reduce dry mass, and perhaps then eventually a electric rocket system would grab it and bring it to a "Water Station.

So, I am sure there are other options that could be developed as well.

Some attention needs to be given to the possibility of material spills.  If water, it will evaporate.  If solid Carbon, it might become a set of collision hazards.  Similar for Iron Oxide.  So, size matters.  I am not sure what is the best for size of Carbon and Iron Oxide pieces.  I think it might be useful to add some magnetic materials to each part and magnetized them.  Then a spill of solid parts, might clump together if the spill was relatively passive in nature and not explosive.

Obviously setting up a segmented travel method in space will be a thing that evolves like a living thing, having a seed type start and then expand to greater options.

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This is thinking that I like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqERiN848DY

Stubby Starship.

TLI booster (Could also be a form of Star-Kicker)

Star-Kicker: The "Locomotive" part of a Starship.  (Tanks, engines, etc, but not nose, cabin, cargo holds).

But the 2nd half of the video about satellites might get a bit boring.

In my opinion, after the original setup on the Moon, the system could evolve to include a "Water Station" at "L1".

If you have water on the Moon you might have a "Water Station" on the Moon, one at "L1" and one in association with LEO.

These "Water Stations" would store water and have extensive power systems and could cook Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water to be used in refilling ships.

It is my opinion that a Stubby Starship could have an auxiliary propulsion system which would be Hydro-Lox added in orbit.

This could be a belt of thrusters and a Hydrogen tank that would be strapped onto a Starship, around it's girth, and could be plumbed into the Oxygen tank of the Starship.

Water could be brought up the LEO "Water Station", by Starships.  We hope that the Moon will have water in sufficient quantities for a "Water Station on the surface of the Moon.  For the "L1" "Water Station", we might hope to deliver water to it using electric rocket systems, at least at first, and possibly from the Moon, later if it turns out to be practical.

So, the Hydro-Lox Auxiliary Power Belt, would be used as a booster option.  It would be filled just before launch from LEO, "L1", or the Moon.  The Hydrogen would be completely consumed as soon as possible to not have losses from boil off.  The "Water Stations" would be able to support anti-boiloff systems as they are not intended to be consuming much propellants to maintain their positions.

The Starship would then operate using the Metha-Lox system.  The belt could be ejected in an emergency, but it would be preferred to reuse it.

Types of Electric Rocket to bring water to the "L1" water station could be  "Argon with a pinch of Xenon", or the Magdrive or Neumann Drive.

Power supplies for them could be Nuclear, Solar, or Beamed power.

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The "Water Stations" could service Blue Origin, Stoke Space, and others that may use Hydro-Lox.

But those may need to prevent Hydrogen boil-off curing passage to the Moon and back.

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If we depart from water as a support, the drum must be enhanced in strength. 

It then is a roller with a flat solar surface:

I have not shown actuation methods, as there may be many options.

The device could be for various purposes.  It can be a greenhouse, or a thermal collector/reservoir.  You would need linear concentrating mirrors and perhaps windows, to do thermal collection.

But things I read suggest that the ability to split water, and CO2 are to become lower cost, and that LED's will become more efficient.

The ability to generate Acetate and Oxygen to stimulate the growth of Algae is already considered to be 4 times better than Photosynthesis, but I expect that the need for special materials like Platinum will decrease and so drop the price of the activity.

For the growth of Algae or plants could be promoted by a mixture of LED's and Chemical (Acetate + Oxygen), method.  Windows may be more trouble than they are worth.

As for managing heat fluctuations, I would expect that the daytime will promote a heating inside of the drum, but a special radiative coating of the drum may help dissipate heat, especially in the nighttime.  OF course, on Mars, rather than Earth the retention of heat will be more desired.

The thermal mass in the interior of the drum, including water will moderate the extremes.

You could lay the drum North to South or East to West, depending on your purposes.

Unlike bifacial solar panels, the East to West orientation of the solar panels can capture morning noon and afternoon sunlight.

While the drawing indicates a flat surface, the solar panels might have degrees of freedom on hinges to better face the sun.  Solar Flaps.

Prolonged freezing conditions may provoke a danger where the water freezing might damage the drum.  So, that problem needs to be handled. 

IF your algae are in plastic bags then that might reduce the problems.

The air pressure inside the drums can be towards "As Desired".  Probably on Earth it would be close to atmospheric at the location.  On Mars the interior of the drums, may likely have increased pressure imposed on them.

If temperature can be kept from extremes, then these drums can be sealed for the most part, and the water included is likely to stay inside the structure.  So, it may be that this form of activity may be quite good in desert locations.

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Maximized Shade-Balls, Shade-Cylinders.

There are only two worlds where I think this technology might have merit.  Earth and Mars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade_ball
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What I am after is a means to special environments like deserts and others.  The hope is to find an alternate use for Carbon in fossil fuel reserves and also the CO2 in the atmosphere.

My idea is to make very large Shade Balls or Shade Cylinders.

Cylinders could work well for Canals in Deserts. 

For Something like the Salton Sea, then whole rows of Cylinders.  It can partially sun follow either North South or East West.

The ball itself makes primarily of plastics, and the sundeck to keep UV off of the plastic for the most part.

The internal waters could be capable of supporting a crop.  For instance, for the Dead Sea, you could put fresh water in and grow things like duckweed for instance.

Part of the game is to limit evaporation.  So, if you did a lot of this you might be able to expand the Dead Sea, and cover the exposed toxic soils.

It would probably make sense to take water from the Colorado River and fill basins which will be evaporating prohibited.  You could cover much of Lake Mead, I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mead
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The green goblins with their anti-micro-plastics Hysteria, are most likely socialists and commie wanna-bees, who hope to cripple cultures they want to take over.

Tell them to cure micro-plastics for things like Car Tires and Synthetic Clothing before worrying about the Maximized Shade flotation devices.

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For Mars you might do it dry on flat soil.  But later when the planet is partially terraformed it might be possible to convert over to very salty cold bring that they can float on.

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I will make an exception here, as I consider Greenland to be part of my heritage, perhaps distantly but still I have a connection to it.

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Although my brother is 1/2 Swedish by family rumor., of that about half of it is Norwegian.  I know that my Grandmother was from very close to Norway.

So, the Norse probably thought of the western settlements as being similar to the lands of Eurasia, that the Vikings also went into.  Except that you could travel more by sea than by interior rivers.

The wood remnants and tar from North America seems tin indicate much more Viking activity in the west than was thought.

Indigenous genes from North America in the Greenlanders is an interesting find.  I wonder if some of it got to Iceland?  Iceland has some Denisovan genetic materials.  Perhaps it came from North America?

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-ev … ry-0013617
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Someday, I would like to retrieve genes from the remains of the Greenlanders, and also the Dorset peoples, and to actually create children from them to include into our expansions into space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_culture

It is common for human females to transfer into other families or groups, when they become fertile.  I think we suffer some problems from not allowing it so early now.  It may mess up girls to be kept as children so long in their birth families.  I do understand why we delay that sort of thing now though, as humans may continue to evolve, puberty in girls may become more and more delayed.

But I think the most probable instance of a Native American going to Greenland with Vikings would likely be an orphan girl.
But perhaps they could also recruit an adult male Native American with skills.

I will be curious about the "Y" and Mitochondrial genes in the Greenlanders.

By the way Columbus spent a winter in Iceland before sailing to the Americas, probably consulting their records.

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But I will mostly try to avoid politics here now.

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I will say that if Europe breaks up we might consider an Arctic Ocean community including North America, the Nordics, and Russia.

If the Polar Sea is to melt more, we might as well use if until the climate can freeze it again.

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It is my suspicion that Scotland and North Ireland, are in Ethnographically Pacific waters, and that England, Wales and the rest of Ireland are in the Latin realm.

I believe that the injection of Latin associated genes modified the Americas so that there is a similar crossing point in Eastern Canida.

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I intend to try to have a discipline to avoid chat/politics.  I will stay here (I hope) only for technological matters.

I really was excited about this: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

Yes, the story is rather optimistic, but it is good for the soul.

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