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So, it is just possible that AI will find a way to roll back my age, and I will become a teen idol with a very long life span.  Then I can marry my robot girlfriend who will then divorce me and sue me for gadget support, while cheating on me with a robot hitman who will kill me.

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I imagined myself there with you, but I was flatulent, and you threw me out of the airlock.  That wasn't nice.

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Colonialism and the west.  I am not sure I believe in the west.

The real thing that happened was like a chemical reaction Clark.

Now shall I condemn Italians forever because there was a Mafia?

Criminal activity exists because there is a temptation to it.

I am one of those who are toying with the idea that the idea of "Out of Africa" is wrong.

I Have instead the notion that Africa is (+) and the Chin are (-),  All others live between them.

Gene flow has acted from the center.  The Genetic center.  Perhaps at times the Caspian Sea, perhaps maybe Ethiopia.

The process of humans over time can be thought of as a unicellular organism, with a (+) and (-) polarity.  It was near the Caspian Sea, speculate.  Across the Himalayas, was India.  With advancements in technology, exchange caused a first Mitosis.  We then had the Proto-Europe up in Russia and the Proto-India at the Indian sub-continent.

Some ocean voyages brought the danger of an arc between the East Asians (-) and sub Saharan Africa (+)  It began to leak towards Madagascar from Malaya Polynesian sources.

There are hints that the Polynesians or someone related to them also leaked into the Americas.

Then the Norse started traveling to the Americas.  But they were too related to the Native Americans.  The Native Americans have a relationship to the Steppe Peoples who invaded Europe, and India.  If the Norse had had nasty diseases, they might have killed the Native Americans with that.  But it appears that they did not carry such.

Columbus, learned about the American land mass while visiting Iceland.

The Spanish and their slaves did carry disease.  And the Spanish and the Slaves of African origin carried (+).

The Native Americans having been isolated for so long were vulnerable to both the diseases and the (+) (Genes of value).

When I say genes of Value I do not name one as better than the other.  The Native Americans needed updating.  Every group gets updated and it is often not pretty.

We have the image of the Spaniards being lethal killers and they were at times.  But for them to get into Mexico they had to have Allies amount the Native Americans.  Those Native Americans that were historically being tormented by the "Civilization" in what we call Mexico.

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You may think of the world as having been flat and then turning into a sphere over time as groups met each other around the edges of the flat Earth, then the human world became a sphere.

It is like a chemical reaction, or if you like a storm where the power is a Vacuum that gradually dissipates.

You seek to blame someone for what is called Colonialism which is to some extent over.  It was a storm.  In part powered by as Peter Zeihan said, people with guns bringing them to a knife fight.

Now will you blame me for the Opium Wars?  That was just Mafia like people who responded to an opportunity to take their guns to a knife fight. 

You could talk about the Vikings.  Most of the Norse were not Vikings.  So then shall we hold a grudge against Scandinavians at this point.  Some may try, but that was pre-Columbus. and we prance about lamenting 1492 to the now.

People who sinned sinned.  That is a need for improvement. 

But people who responded to temptation, that is not my fault unless i am the one currently responding to a temptation. 

It is said that about 6% of men are psychopaths.  Am I to pay a price for what psychopaths of the past no longer living did with temptation?

And while we are at it lets speculate on the psychopaths of the females who crave a clash between male groups.  The damage from the Male Psychopaths is somewhat easier to evaluate.

Genetic updating is likely where a special skill enables a aggressor to penetrate into an existing body of people who tend to not have that advantage.  The same may be true for memes as well.

We really are "Riders on the Storm".  It is good if we try to be moral and responsible, but I am not willing to be punished for what yesterdays psychopaths did.

I believe that we may have 4 cells between Sub Sahara Africa and the East Asians.  And even though I indicate the 4 cells as being outside of the (+) and (-) actually they are as well parts of the cells.

For instance Japan and I think Korea are part of North America now.

The Philippines are part of South America now.

Mongolia is part of the European Cell.

Tibet is part of the Indian Cell.

We are parts of a giant dividing structure that resembles a Zygote.

It may be a computer.

https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Mouse_(T … he_Galaxy)
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The world keeps trying to make me wear a hair shirt.  I am not interested.  I also don't want to be crucified, Thank You very much.

I don't need a church to deliver me to a crucifixion.  I do not care to see criticism of our president from such institutions.  The world seeks our blood, and the church try's to betray us to the world.

Having said that, I still value the Church and its general process.

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A video about Carbon: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/c … i-AA1URQzJ
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As two collective decisions, do you think it is possible that they don't want to stop Trump?

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I think he will do just fine.  Our Legislature and Supreme Court can hobble him is necessary, but I don't think that will be needed.  Our government is not just the president.

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  Anyone could do that.  I prefer a vast mind that is bigger than its verbal skills than a Fountain of world salads.

Have you watched how Elon Musk stumbles with words sometimes?  Is he senile?  There is just probably some many plates spinning at one time that on occasion small mistakes happen which can easily be corrected for.

Examples: https://giphy.com/explore/spinning-plates

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  Results are still not yet defined, we will see.

My speculation on the situation is that the USA is a 2-mode country.  This is our other mode East Asian and East European threats are less now than per the Cold War.  Other threats are more important now.

Great Britain does have two modes.  But Scotland is small.  So, your other mode is not of equal size to your Pseudo-Latin mode.

You could try to bind with the Nordics get Huggy with them.  Good luck with that blending.  Tell they you want Greenland.  But even if you could unify that, that would be unification in one vector and insufficient union in the other.

France has Poland, or will Poland have France?

You guys just don't have the unification tools that the USA does.  Even Canada does not have a sufficiency of tools yet.

You can look at is as crop rotation.  The soil that grew what it grew from 1929 (Very Approximately) to 2008 (Very Approximately) does not have the nutrients left over to continue in that mode.  So then plant something else.

That is approximately part of what I could answer.

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I was surprised to find that someone has made an ion thruster that uses water for propellant mass, (It seems).

https://pale-blue.co.jp/news/946/
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I don't know if it can be sized up or what its power consumption is, but it is a good start that it works, it seems.

What I see for this an Deimos/Phobos/Mars, is that if you could get water from someplace in these three worlds of course that would be big.
But if not then you might get Hydrogen from Mars and then combine it with excess Oxgyen from Deimos or Phobos and have a propellant mass.

It would in effect shoot Oxygen along with some Hydrogen out as propellant mass.

It has a long way to go though, to be a major player.

Maybe it will get there.

https://pale-blue.co.jp/

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I have opened a new topic: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 80#p237780
"Index» Life support systems» Carbon is the New Metal"

OK, so I wonder if we could "Daisy-Chain" "Planet Pass Spaceship".

The feed points for one where it launches from being in Mars orbit and then passing Earth to return to Mars Orbit. (Using Ballistic Capture).

The feed points for another one where it launches from being in Ceres orbit and then passing Mars to return to Ceres Orbit. (Using Ballistic Capture).

Each ship as it passed its pass-by planet could release materials to be aero-braked to that world or it's orbits.

Mars/Phobos/Deimos has more Carbon nearer to microgravity than does Earth/Moon.

Ceres/Asteroid Belt has access to more Carbon than Mars/Phobos/Demos.

If you could achieve a Ballistic Capture to Ceres then you have a good position to access much of the Asteroid Belt which will have a lot of Carbon in it.

Of course, Carbon Transport might be done by different means such as Electric Rocket, or maybe a thin film of Carbon could sail around the solar system on Photons.

So then perhaps the value of everything might end up valued against Carbon, if it is to be as useful as it appears it might become.

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Oh Dear! How will we keep the Earth from freezing up if everyone takes Carbon out of the Air?  With a Helium/Munchkin voice: "Help me, Help me Gretta!".

How Dare Me!

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I don't know how real this is or is not.  Somebody thinks it is OK for people like me to see it.  It is at least entertaining.  It might be that I don't actually know what is real anyway.

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This looks like almost compatible with some Earth environments and perhaps some future Mars environments:

So, this mimics a freshwater lens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_(hydrology)
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Don Juan Pond suggests how salty the water could be outside of the fresh water lens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Juan_Pond
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The water is probably too salty for most or any life.  The cold temperatures are too cold also for life, It looks like.

The fresh water however or less salty water of the Lens is likely to be able to host life.

The "Boat" that would hold the "Lens" could perhaps be made of plastic.  Generally, it would be out of the sunlight, and plastics seem to be tolerant of salts.

I have suggested a bamboo deck as I presume it is cheap to produce, but it could be something else.  I also think that under the deck might be a vapor barrier to oppose evaporation of water from the lens.

Filling most of the surface of a body of water like the Salton Sea or the Dead Sea, the evaporation rate should be reduced.  So the body of water might swell up and become less salty.

A salty body of water in the Great Basin, if it could cut its evaporation rate by 90%, might be fillable from natural rainfall.

But you might need covered canals to route occasional rainwater into the body of water.

IF 5% or 10% of the basin water is exposed, you could still have beaches and spaces for boats to travel between the islands.  It might be sensible to divert some of the Colorado River Water to fill such basins.

"Crops" could be grown in the "Lens" water, perhaps using small amounts of light and also chemicals such as Acetate and Oxygen.

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I have posted #251, #252, #253 today.  Now in this post I return to somethings I have worked on before.

Mars orbits should have many propulsive methods available.

Alice for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_%28propellant%29
You could probably get Oxygen from Deimos and Phobos, Hydrogen from Mars and Aluminum again from Deimos and Phobos.

CO/O2 rocket engines are a possibility, Carbon and Oxygen may be available from Deimos and Phobos and is available from Mars.

Mass Drivers that shoot out Ice/Iron Bullets might be a way.  Water Ice or Dry ice.  Iron would be fine dust.  Everything for this could come from Deimos and Phobos, and maybe Hydrogen, but Hydrogen could come from Mars.

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Continuing with the "Panet Pass Spaceship" from the last post:

The concept of a Nuclear Thermal Booster to boost the "Planet Pass Spaceship" to pass by Earth.

Hydrogen Propellant is the best, but hard to source and hard to store.  Water as a propellant with Nuclear is said to be about as good as combustion rockets. 

So for Mars lifting water to Orbit from Mars might work well for the Nuclear Thermal Booster method.

Now want if we could do both?

What if you had a small tank of Liquid Hydrogen and a large tank of Water?  You could feed the Hydrogen into the water as a gas, perhaps dissolved into high pressure water, and possibly as Aerated bubbles.

A Booster could be tanks up with large amounts of water when in orbit of Mars.  Then a last load could be a small tank of Liquid Hydrogen.

"Hydrated Water" as in input to Nuclear Thermal propulsion might be rather better than just water.  The Hydrogen would push the expansion very nicely, but the water has much more mass than Hydrogen does.

Such Nuclear Boosters could be pushed to Mars from Earth/Moon, just one time loaded with water and Hydrogen, perhaps from Earth.

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My view is that the Nuclear Thermal Booster will remain in orbit of Mars after boosting the "Panet Pass Spaceship" on its pass by Earth.  Then to be reused.  There could be many "Planet Pass Spaceship".

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I have experimented with the idea of a "Semi-Cycler" before.  Got a lot of flak for it.  So, I will rename it a "Planet Pass Spaceship".

It seems that focus in space will involve:
1) Earth/Moon
2) Deimos/Phobos/Mars

The difference between #1 and #2 is #1 will have the best space infrastructure early on, and #2 will have the bast access to raw materials.

It is easier to lift materials from Mars itself than from Earth, if you had equivalent infrastructure.  Also, it is easier to extract materials from Deimos and Phobos than to extract materials from the Earth's Moon.

So, if you would have a "Large Spaceship" my feeling is that you can have a ship that stope in Mars orbits and launches from it.  And when it would launch, it might do a fast pass of Earth obtaining gravity power from the encounter then go back to Mars.  The reason I think that passing Earth makes sense is that since the Earth/Moon will have the better infrastructure, they could maintain, better fast shuttle services that could bring people back and fourth from the Earth/Moon<>"Panet Pass Spaceship".  So, half of this is like a Cycling Spaceship at (Earth/Moon) and half like a normal spaceship (At Deimos/Phobos/Mars).

This device could do another gravity trick at Mars which is a Ballistic Capture.  In order for people to be protected from space hazards, a "Panet Pass Spaceship" will be heavy with life support extravagance.

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So, this ship is launched from a Mars orbit after being resupplied and refurbished in Mars orbit, using materials from the 3 worlds, Deimos/Phobos/Mars.

Launching methods could be various.  Raptors-Metha Lox, Nuclear-Hydrogen, Other.  Probably as a booster system that does not leave Mars orbit.

On board could be various types of propulsions.  Perhaps Nuclear-Electric, or chemical or maybe Oxygen Mass Driver.

Two gravity maneuvers could be used.  The Earth-Pass could modify the orbit to return to Mars. 

And at Mars you would use Ballistic Capture to return into Mars orbit.  To do that you also have to at least have some electric thrust to stay in orbit of Mars.

Mars could supply water or Hydrogen for Nuclear thermal propulsions.  Deimos and Phobos can supply stony materials which contain solid substances and Oxygen.  The two moons may supply Carbon.  If not then that can be gotten from Mars itself.

There may be water ice in one or both of the two moons.  There is massive amounts of water ice on Mars Itself.

This large-scale spaceship will not need a heat shield method to go into Mars orbit and will be able to reuse some of the original energy of launch from Mars orbit to swing past the Earth/Moon and return to Mras orbit.  Also, can harvest gravity at both major planets.

Also the swing past Earth/Moon could use an Oberth Maneuver is desired: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberth_effect

The Earth/Moon system may have good infrastructure to provide rescue for fast shuttles that do not make it properly to the "Panet Pass Spaceship".

It might be possible that a Venus or Mercury pass could be used instead of or in conjunction with an Earth/Moon pass.

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