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I have watched only the one video listed from this site: https://www.youtube.com/@MDVL_mindset

So, don't assume that other videos are equal to my ideas of whatever.

But this one I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeePF0w … valMindset
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I recall I was told in public school that indeed Europeans were so unworthy and only the Arabs were brilliant.

I have been a creature that haunted libraries, and then of course later, haunted the internet.

Things I already knew that are in this video, are:
-The "Irish", or their similar, sailed in skin boats deep in to the north sea.
-The Vikings later did Viking stuff to those monks in Iceland.
-Columbus spent time in Iceland before his famous voyages.

https://www.icelandicroots.com/post/201 … in-iceland
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There are various reasons why the Viking wave did not go too far into North America.  I recall a story that the natives "Skraeling's" had some sort of spear throwers, which gave them a technologically superior position.  However, when the
Europeans returned in about 500 years those people were not to be found, nor their weapons.  The Vikings were never that many people in Iceland and Greenland, and even Greenland had an acceptable climate at about 1000 AD.  Then of course the Mini Ice age helped wipe out the Greenlanders and almost finished the Icelanders.

I was also aware that Vikings were guards in Byzantium, and that Vikings went down to Bagdad to get silver.

An item of importance in the video that I did not know was that at some point, the plough was improved along with horse harnesses, allowing agriculture to expand in the North.

My own theory is that that Alpha Bed Hoppers are the downfall of civilizations.  That is, when the Chads and the Tyrones are allowed to play Coocoo bird with other men's women, then the skills disappear and so then also the wealth.

In the north, that could not happen as you had to have better skills to be powerful than to impregnate a peasants woman.  But if farming was enhanced, then there could be peasants for the Chads and Tyrones to impregnate.  So, a bloom of wealth, may be destined to be ended in poverty.

The resurgence of fossil fuels in the USA at least has balanced out the mischief money that was accumulated in the M.E.

The effort to de-industrialize the west, which was very likely promoted in the shadows by the Chads and Tyrones of Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and the M.E. oil money , is being resisted thankfully.

I was interrupted by a visitor during this post and have sort of lost the thread of thought, so I will end it here.

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I am thinking about accessories for the Starship such as a carry-in-cargo 3rd Stage.

Technically Star links will already be that as they have their own propulsion systems. 

Diameter of Starship 9 meters / 30 feet.  A new version may be significantly larger.

About NOVA again from Stoke Space: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoke_Space_Nova
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I will grant that it is a small ship.

https://www.space.com/stoke-space-hoppe … ght-photos
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A credible member here has opinioned that it could not do a return from the Moon with its existing heat shield.  I have no reason to suppose that that opinion is wrong.

But I think I may see a way to do something that is a bit new.

In the case where the NOVA went to the Moon and the shield traveled with it, it might be left in Lunar orbit while the NOVA would land on the Moon.  Then be reattached for the trip back to Earth.

I have not provided propulsive means to transfer the NOVA to and from the Moon.  That would be extra.

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An atmospheric entry mode is suggested in the drawing.  Returning from the Moon, the Shield is added to the ship as shown.

The "Footprint" is larger than that of the NOVA, which may help.  The NOVA will ride in the wake of the forward heat shield.

The thrusters for the NOVA might be assistive in cooling.  One possibility I have in mind would be a high Oxygen Mix, which of course would be like a cutting torch, possibly.  But if the shield is of a material that resists Oxidation on it's inner surface, it might work.  The pressure and heat of the exhaust might be milder than that of a cutting torch.  The heat quenched by a lot of Oxygen perhaps.  Of course I am thinking of Lunar Oxygen as a coolant.

But dilutant gasses such as Argon, Nitrogen, CO2 could be added to the mix.  So, you would do a little combustion and then add a lot more Oxygen, Argon, Nitrogen, or CO2.

The shield will have to detach in the atmosphere after the heating is over.  It may have been manufactured on the Moon or lifted to orbit in a Starship.

It might be one time use, or just perhaps might be outfitted with a parachute to land like a Falcon 9 Fairing.

For instance, if Starship will expand its diameter, and yet also keep the current diameter starships, then the larger Diameter Starship may be able to bring back an entire engine section of the smaller diameter Starship.

This would be a little like the logic for ULA's Vulcan where the tanks of the 1st stage would be disposed of after use, and then engine section and avionics would be brought back for reuse by some heat shield and landing method.

But in this case the Ships would be rendered into propellants, except for special parts like the Engine bay with engines.

Of course, that requires modified Starships.

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I don't want to contaminate your purity of essence, but if wind is you motor on occasion, could it be possible to have a parallel source of motor from an electric grid?  Off peak power perhaps?

So with the wind you have to work when the wind blows, but with off peak power, you have your choices do, or don't' do.

I am not talking about your Hobbie project which is wonderful, rather, supposing Humanoid Robots become actually useful, then one could do some work around the homestead, but at times work with the wind or with off peak power, if that is available at a reasonable price.  This of course would be a different installation.

A robot could work at night, where most humans would not.  Wind may blow at night.

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I request tolerance that I can say a few things.

-I think that if Starship is going to shed materials, perhaps they should do the shedding in a suborbital mode and then go to orbit.  Hopefully leaving the shed materials behind.

-I think it might be wise to try to land a Starship on the old peg legs.  That way if they are successful, they might fully examine the ship.  This then allows them to make improvements before they risk a tower catch mishap.  It might be that if they can make a good enough landing pad on Mars some Cargo Ships could land on the peg legs, maybe improved peg legs.

At this stage in Starship development, they are probably making each Starship obsolete after one flight anyway.

And yes I would like to see them catch a newer Superheavy if it seems likely to be successful.

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It is needed for the reader to understand that I had a Scottish Canadian Grandparent, and a Yankee American Grandmother who was largely English with a bit of Scottish and French Huguenot.   I also had two Swedish Grandparents.

It is not my practice to hate the British, as they are in my ancestry and have not personally harmed me as I recall.

But I like this video, and hope that the British can also get a better situation for themselves.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

I think we have had 4 American revolutions though.  WWII was the third, I feel, but we got entangled in the worlds degeneracy in that as well.

I see the democratic party as simply the Confederacy again, and their very valued urban hell holes are the plantations reimagined again.  Remember that not all slave owners were WASPS, in fact most WASPS were not slave owners.

A very great number of slave owners were in Africa itself and were themselves Africans of some sort.  They captured and sold both Africans and Europeans into slavery.

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I have hopes that the heat pump in this post from elsewhere can create pyrolysis temperatures, and that I have not misunderstood what is actual about it: https://newmars.com/forums/search.php?s … 1667206299

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If we can have a heat pump that cools a tank of slushy water and also a brick pyrolysis oven, then the cold side can both condense water out of the air, and the hot side can do pyrolysis on organic matter.

Data Centers might use the slushy water for cooling.

Then you use solar power with battery capacity that you desire.  You might also tap into a grid which may include wind power.  So, you would run the heat pump continuously or intermittently on the basis of energy availability.

This again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrefaction
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The heat pump claims to go to 400 degrees C: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawATQk … ModoEnergy

I am watching it again to try to understand if I have misunderstood what they claim.

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So, anyway, if you have a slushy pond covered with solar panels, then you might cool a data center with slushy cold water.  If you have humid air outside, you may use fans to blow that air though this to hope to condense water from the air and accumulate water.

The hot side, I hope can heat a brick oven hot enough for Torrefaction.  I feel scared that they do not actually have the ability to reach the necessary temperature.

https://www.synchrostor.co.uk/
OK, this is their verbage:

Here is the set of solar maps that might suggest migration potential in the USA: https://www.nrel.gov/gis/solar-resource-maps  Image Quote:

The lower set of montly charts are interesting.

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I think my point was that this objects if it were alien would be a stupid thing for a sneaky alien civilization to do in a Dark Forest galaxy.

Sneaky would be to arrange for brilliant minds to discover things that were to lead to AI and Robots.  That might imply that they have a few agents among us already.  Perhaps software agents that they somehow infected our system with.

If they had to risk some sort of spaceflight where their ships might be observed the might arrange to meddle with humans on occasion to create red herrings.  For instance, practicing proctology on humans so that the humans would report silly stories.  That would help to discredit actual situations where they accidentally revealed themselves.

A slow boiled frog situation would have them direct the direction of our culture to suit their desires.  Slowly robots and AI would be more and more important on Earth and perhaps the solar system. 

Over time the existence of cultures similar to the one they caused us to develop might be revealed.  But in reality, that could be just a story we were told, they might give us a cleaned-up view of what they really were.  They might be partially robotic and partly organic and might consist of many types of organic on various worlds.  The entities that we supposedly see, may be of our DNA, because they collected it in the past and created organic robots that they could use in interacting with Earth.

In a Dark Forest this might be how they make sure that we will not be taken over by their predatory competitors.

Also with the notion of a "Random Walk", it may be that they will get some type of discovery by interacting with us.

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Isaac Arthur has speculated that Civilizations will not want to send out colonies to other stars as those colonies might mutate into a hostile alien competitor.

A twist on that could be the Polynesian one.  They plant baby civilizations on various worlds, perhaps even using local "DNA" if that is the nature of the organism.   In order to keep the threat in control of these transplants they check up on them periodically and Wack them if they see more progress than they want.

This would be like a dead man switch.  If their core culture was still capable of monitoring us, then they would knock us flat periodically.  If they have fallen and cannot Wack us then one or more of their "Children" rise to power as a new civilization.

An evidence that we had progressed more than expected would be signs of activity on Mars, Venus, and the Moons of Jupiter.  That might indicate that they would not only have to Wack Earth but wipe out whatever we had place on Mars or around Venus or on the Moons of Jupiter.

I suppose that the good news is that they would probably limit the amount of destruction they inflicted on Earth.  And they might have to send agents of some kind to help make sure we fell into dark ages.

It is hard to say if any alien would think this is a good idea.  How would we know?  I guess the best we could do is think outside of what normal humans might think.

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I do not expect that the object is hollow, but I suppose there is a small chance.  If it is, then they are not going to be Suttle, but will decide how much to Wack us, and have the confidence that they can make us superstitious of things in the sky, and degrade our "Civilization" in a desirable measure.

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But if it is a giant rock, then the aliens most likely are not behind it.  It would be overkill.

And that would mean that there may be much more baryonic matter between the stars than we have thought.

That would make going between stars harder as small impactors may be everywhere.  But it would also perhaps allow us to island hop on rogue worlds that we are not yet able to detect.

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So, it is exciting.  If it is aliens and they want to set us back, I don't think it is likely that we could resist the process very well.

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This is a long video and you may have seen it before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdUMDV … ithHerbert
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In previous posts here, I have begun to involve "Torrefaction" with electric sources of energy to convert organic materials to Biochar and also Hydrogen, Methane, and Tar.

I would like to appeal to what I consider rational thinking.  At least from my point of view.

Now is it silly to let Northern Forests burn down because they were not managed or not?  I pollute air above the North American Continent.

Many of these are Canadian, and much of land that may go feral if Tony Seba is correct.  So, eventually we in America will have problems with forest fires where farm land used to be.  Unless the land is groomed.

Take a look at it do you want forests to burn down putting particle pollution into the air and also putting CO2 into the Air?  Does that make sense?  Canada says it wants to go green, but they let their forests burn, and put lots of CO2 into the Atmosphere.  And the USA will be in a similar situation if indeed, we allow a lot of farmlands to go feral.

The products of "Torrefaction" will yield Hydrogen and Methane which can be used in Precision Fermentation and also likely in Cellular Farming.  So, this will be a form of farming that will not so much depend on growing seasons.

The concept of Pleistocene Park hope to hold back the excessive thawing of permafrost in the north.  This may apply to our state of Alaska also.  https://pleistocenepark.ru/

The use of some animals and robots may allow a certain percentage of the Taiga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiga
Could be converted back to Mammoth Steppe, to provide fire brakes and to reduce the thawing of permafrost.  The weeds and brush could be processed by Torrefaction to produce wealth and to reduce the release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  This would also be firebrakes.

America could have migrating robots to do this, possibly Canada would do it as well.

While Bison may be destructive to Solar Panels, and equipment I am tempted to consider processing Buffalo Chips.  Possibly a risk of stinky, but with good technology that perhaps could be avoided.

Lets say people in the North might burn 1/2 of the Charcoal produced in the less sunny months and put the other 1/2 into bogs and in the soils.

Robots would migrate north and south following the seasons.

The problem between the USA and Canada just now is from my point of view, a north culture that does not respect the individual.  Also, the USA culture has been "Sinning" against the American spirit for some time, but I think we are in reform under the "Orange Man".

So the compatibility of Canada and the USA is in question as I do not trust the efforts by global elites to replace Americans and to try to make us into surfs.  I think Canada is held more strongly in bondage by them than the USA is.

My current notions.  Everyone has notions.

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Continuing on similar lines to the previous post:
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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I think this can be solved by combining both sources of rogue planets.  Ejection and Collapse.

Ejected objects in a stellar nursery or thick dust cloud could have a secondary condensation.  They might also condense moons around them from something resembling a Oort Cloud or Kuiper belt.

Probably easier for ejections in a star nursery, to have a secondary accretion within that nursery, but I would not rule out a rouge planet drifting into a thick cloud and then having an additional accretion event.

This then might create something I want very much.  A Super Earth with its own moons, as a rogue too cool to see with our current technology.

If we could find these, and particularly if nearby, then good things could be done, in my opinion.
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So, the Super Earth could have a rocky surface, or an icy surface or a liquid water surface.  It would have significant Geo heat.  It might have winds.  The atmosphere might be crushing, but even so with any type of surface, it might be possible to establish energy harvesting, and the energy could be beamed to a moon, which hopefully would exist.

Robots on the Super Earth even if physically stranded could beam their minds up and down from the moon or moons.
Humans might likely only live on the moons or in orbit, but they also could have telepresence on the surface of the Super Earth.  Ideally one or more moon would not have completely differentiated so that rocky materials would be available.

If it turns out that fusion becomes an economic form of energy, then the vast atmosphere of the Super Earth could supply fusion fuels, and again energy to be beamed up to the moons.  (I hope a thick atmosphere would not block that).

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