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#4126 2026-01-26 19:24:03
- tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping
For SpaceNut about Ring Habitat topic...
Please do NOT copy this post into the habitat topic.
What I think might work in this situation is to separate the smelting branch from the main trunk.
You have already introduced a post that does not contribute directly to the habitat ring topic.
That post can tell our readers to branch to another topic if they want to.
My goal and desire is that we will prepare a series of posts that a future reader can follow from beginning to end, and know how to set up the habitat.
Posts about other topics can be indicated.
We can either ship the Quonset huts ready made from Earth, or we can make them on Mars from Mars materials.
In any case, a discussion about how to smelt iron on Mars needs it's own topic.
Calliban would be the right person to lead a topic about how to smelt iron on Mars, and what to do with it.
You and I are NOT the right people to lead that topic.
Do we already have a topic about how to smelt iron on Mars? We might!
If we do, just point to it and continue building the topic so if flows cleanly from the opening post to the finished plan.
Reminder: We are now waiting for kbd512 to make the decision about how big he wants the Quonset hut to be. Once we have that information, we can figure out how to deploy 250 huts inside and outside the roadway ring. Until then we can work on something else.
The roadway will serve all residents. It will be a source of all fluids including gases. It will also be the passage for spent gases if we do not clean the air in each habitat. I think it would make sense to clean the air in each habitat, because every habitat needs to be able to operate independently in case of an accident that rips open the roadway corridor.
kbd512 has provided an opportunity for us to think about equipment that is under the habitat, because he indicated he would elevate the habitats above the regolith rather than dig down into it. Remember that kbd512 has chosen a location where water is believed to be abundant.
it seems to me that each habitat needs it's own power generator for emergencies, so the form that would take seems worth it's own topic.
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#4127 2026-01-26 20:37:11
- tahanson43206
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For SpaceNut ... we don't have to depend upon our AI artists .... We can create accurate models using Blender (or any other 3D design program).
I just created a folder for the QuonsetHutRing concept on Mars.
To make a Quonset hut should be ** really ** simple. Blender provides a basic cylinder and we can lay it on it's side and cut it in half.
We can replicate that shape 25 times for the habitats, and however many times as are needed to make the roadway.
We can start with guessed dimensions, and when kbd512 gives us firm numbers, we can roll those into the model.
Blender can show the model in all kinds of views.
We can also add details such as fluid lines and other fixtures.
Meanwhile, we can ask the AI artists to create scenes that feature the new shapes.
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#4128 2026-01-27 15:31:32
- SpaceNut
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Re: Housekeeping
For SpaceNut about Ring Habitat topic...
Please do NOT copy this post into the habitat topic.
What I think might work in this situation is to separate the smelting branch from the main trunk.
You have already introduced a post that does not contribute directly to the habitat ring topic.
That post can tell our readers to branch to another topic if they want to.
My goal and desire is that we will prepare a series of posts that a future reader can follow from beginning to end, and know how to set up the habitat.
Posts about other topics can be indicated.
We can either ship the Quonset huts ready made from Earth, or we can make them on Mars from Mars materials.
In any case, a discussion about how to smelt iron on Mars needs it's own topic.
Calliban would be the right person to lead a topic about how to smelt iron on Mars, and what to do with it.
You and I are NOT the right people to lead that topic.
Do we already have a topic about how to smelt iron on Mars? We might!
If we do, just point to it and continue building the topic so if flows cleanly from the opening post to the finished plan.
Reminder: We are now waiting for kbd512 to make the decision about how big he wants the Quonset hut to be. Once we have that information, we can figure out how to deploy 250 huts inside and outside the roadway ring. Until then we can work on something else.
The roadway will serve all residents. It will be a source of all fluids including gases. It will also be the passage for spent gases if we do not clean the air in each habitat. I think it would make sense to clean the air in each habitat, because every habitat needs to be able to operate independently in case of an accident that rips open the roadway corridor.
kbd512 has provided an opportunity for us to think about equipment that is under the habitat, because he indicated he would elevate the habitats above the regolith rather than dig down into it. Remember that kbd512 has chosen a location where water is believed to be abundant.
it seems to me that each habitat needs it's own power generator for emergencies, so the form that would take seems worth it's own topic.
(th)
Is the Ring Habitat on Mars Doughnut Torus a wiki or discussion?
If its a wiki I will remove my content, if you want a fishbone for further discussion and exploration of discussion.
1 then make the post
2 give the new link for discussion
if you want your idea of of bring it to mars to build move the other post to your discussion topic
Imported Equipment and Maintenance Garage for Mars which is the same structure that you wanted to consider.
I will even give the starship data for the bay opening which is 8 Meters x 8 meters x 22.5 meters tall. Solve to how much you can put into the opening and staying under the 100 Mt of mass that each can bring to mars.
For your next post we do not know how many are required or what the final count will be due to having insufficient specification.
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#4129 2026-01-27 18:11:55
- tahanson43206
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For SpaceNut ... please do not move or delete any more posts.
I will discontinue updates to all topics except the Calendar.
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#4130 2026-01-27 18:37:50
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In discussions you will need to put the opinions with in the topics and then do the branch for what you feel is off topic. It allows for those reading to understand the topics fishbone discussions that are being found and created. This happened to some degree with the large ship.
So its expected to have many related topics that are the branches in which some support the original while others are separate projects to be under taken that may or may not support the actions to which is the goal.
Take for instance power requirement for crew life support and then what power that is required for the green house for food plus recycling of co2 to oxygen which each are branches in the ring structure we are trying to come up with.
These are both power but its the sum of each which must be achieved.
So right now we are trying to get to the volumes as required in total for each portion of the ring Quonset shaped simple from making the first section unit until finished and internal work can be done for how each portion is used.
Please continue in discussion what you think are off topics but make the efforts to bring those fishbone out include your thought so that the project lead can read them as much as possible in one location root topic to the branches.
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#4131 2026-01-28 15:24:33
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Good news from the numbers run for just the sleeping part of the ring. We were off by a factor of 2-4 time the number of volume required for building just that part of the structure.
Like wise the greenhouse for soil use would have been 5 time the area as its not making use of vertical height, energy was also up but within the margin I had guessed at.
The hydroponic portion was still off even after i doubled what nasa had but only by another factor of 2 times.
So you can hopefully this would not been good.
I have more numbers to work out still but due to needing to have more power beyond the 10 meg watts should have a couple more for the ability to expand.
Still lots of other stuff to compute.
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#4132 2026-01-29 14:57:53
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More good news from the number crunching for "For a "double toroid" 250,000m^3 interior volume structure,"
Here is the shape
It was decided to make " inflatable tori with an inner radius of 50m and an outer radius of 70.50385m, which provides an interior volume of 125,000.430m^3 and surface area of 24,385.748m^2 per torus. "
It is supported by "37,050m of 30mm OD / 2mm wall thickness 304L tubing per Starship primary structure.
10 Starships provide 370,500m of tubing to work with." external stainless tubing will support the mass of this toroidal Hesco-type structure. We'll use the basalt tiles later after we figure out how to make those and where to source the material from.two layers of 300g/m^2 Vectran fabric, which we will fill with finely pulverized regolith- sort of like an enormous Hesco barrier, with regolith scooped off the surface of the planet and poured into silicone-impregnated Vectran bags, and supported externally by stainless steel tubing to absorb the tensile loads from internal pressurization. The 304L tubing will be threaded through loops sewn into the exterior of the bags. This is a steel and regolith bag reinforced "pup tent" structure, for all intents and purposes.
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