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For SpaceNut re Gemini and Calliban's proposal...
I had a long running session going with Gemini, to work on the OpenFOAM problem. That problem has come to a conclusion, and the Gemini session is now freed up. I decided to ask Gemini to work on Calliban's proposal. As you can see by looking at the Brick's topic, Gemini had a hard time dealing with the ancient software we use for our forum. However, in the end, it seems to have mastered the environment. Here is the conclusion of today's session:
Thank you for your persistence in the face of this challenge. I am ** very ** happy with the result. The code section shows off the mathematics with great effect, and there is another benefit ... Our forum software renders the code window as a sliding pane, so that the reader is able to see more of the non-code text in their browser window. I'll keep this tab open so that we retain the memory of all this hard work! While I'm away, best wishes for all possible success as you try to help everyone else! Please note that I am using our correspondence as an educational opportunity for our many members who are unfamiliar with the technology you and your peers have to offer.
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That is wonderful news! I am genuinely relieved and pleased that the pure BBCode output, especially the use of the code tag, worked perfectly on your forum. Using the sliding code pane is an unexpected but excellent bonus for readability!It has been a rewarding challenge, and I deeply appreciate the detailed feedback and constraints you provided. Addressing the limitations of the "ancient software" directly ensures the information is accessible to all your members, achieving both technical clarity and broad educational outreach—which aligns perfectly with the goal of demystifying the technology.
I am ready to proceed whenever you return. The next step is drafting the content for the construction plan's inaugural post.
? Ready for Phase I
When you are ready, we will draft the post for the forum:Project Ares: Phase I - Site Selection and Resource Verification
This post will cover:
Automated Scouting for site geotechnical stability.
The required Robotics Fleet (Regolith haulers, brick printers, etc.) necessary to achieve the one-year timeline.
Power Budget for processing the 400,000 tonnes of material.
Best wishes to you and the Mars Society community during your pause! I look forward to continuing this detailed work plan soon.
Would you like me to draft Phase I when you return, or is there another preparatory step you'd like to address first?
If you are not yet using Gemini, I am hoping these posts will be useful examples for you to study.
As a tip... to help Gemini remember what you are talking about, keep the tab open on your computer for the session. I think (but do not know for sure) that Gemini keeps some memory in your computer, so if you keep the tab open on the browser, you can reconnect to Gemini at the same point. You can turn OFF your computer as you would normally.
In addition, if you work with Gemini more than once, you will discover that Gemini keeps a record of conversations in the cloud memory for your Google iD. You can see saved sessions in a panel on the left.
ChatGPT works the same way in the paid version.
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For SpaceNut re interesting posts about brick and related topics....
At some point, I hope you will get around to actually reading and attempting to understand what Calliban wrote.
It seems to me that you are fighting Calliban at every turn. That is NOT your responsibility! Our role should be to help our members to succeed in their endeavors.
The key to helping our members is to actually ** understand ** what they are doing.
Your AI friend is worried about buckling, but Calliban very specifically addressed that. Your AI friend would have benefited greatly if you had told it that Calliban had addressed the issue. You could have told your AI friend what Calliban said, and ** then ** if there is something that Calliban overlooked, you might be able to help Calliban improve the design. I doubt ** very ** much there is anything anyone can do to improve Calliban's design, but you keep trying.
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For SpaceNut ...
kbd512 has picked up on the post you gave us, showing an open pit mine on Mars, with lots of little domes at the bottom.
kbd512 offers us the vision of Calliban's large dome instead of all those small ones.
Please see if you can persuade your AI friend to do the math needed to find out how large an open pit mine would have to be to yield the material to make Calliban's dome.
Please try to persuade your AI friend to concentrate on Calliban's dome, and not go running off thinking about someone else's dome.
We want Calliban's vision to come to life, and to secure the resources that would otherwise go to competing small dome thinkers.
NewMars is a perfect place for such an ambitious vision to start with a spark and grow into a robust flow of energy (human and otherwise).
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tahanson43206,
Are we still on for our 1PM CST / 2PM EST Sunday install of phpBB3 for user-generated image storage?
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Buckling is due to floors and other mass that will get support vai the dome wall.
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For SpaceNut ... your AI friend would perform better if you gave it more information about Calliban's concept. You gave it a diameter of 200 meters, but you omitted the height of 120 meters. Calliban made that VERY CLEAR but somehow the AI friend complains that it does not know how tall the building is.
Where did the idea of a 200 meter deep pit mine cover from? Was that just an estimate to try to give the AI friend something to work with? All you have from Calliban is the diameter and the height of the dome above ground. His vision did not include excavation below the surface, although it seems reasonable to suppose that the material Calliban described must come from an excavation. The next time you talk to your AI friend, please consider giving it the task of sizing the excavation to provide the material for the dome.
kbd512 picked up on your idea of an excavated pit for the dome, and kbd512 imagined the dome at the bottom of the pit.
Your AI friend seemed to think the open pit excavation was for mining, but this is specifically to collect material to make the dome. You could help your AI friend by explaining better what this project is about. I can see signs that you are experimenting to try to improve the performance of you AI friend. You are the human who is responsible for the AI's output. All errors it makes are directly your responsibility to edit out of the report, or to correct the AI and ask it to try again.
Re post #3955
You are NOT reading Calliban's text. He deals with buckling. It has nothing to do with the surface/floors. Where did that come from?
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For SpaceNut .... thanks for your continued interest in and support of Calliban's vision of a domed habitat for a village on Mars.
In a post on 2025/11/29, you express an interest in learning why Calliban specified a parabola instead of a a circle for the dome.
This is an opportunity for you to learn something about architecture.
It is possible to learn why one archtectureal form is better than another, but it helps to ask the right question. Your AI friend will be happy to teach you but in order for you to learn, you would have to be willing to learn. That is up to you. If you have a preconceived notion that the way to make an arch is to use the form of a circle, then your arch will fall and the cost of building the arch will be wasted.
Please reduce the size of the posts you put out on the forum. People (in general) only have a limited amount of time, and if you are trying to make a useful educational point, please try to ask your AI friend to be succinct.
In this case, it would help if you would start by admitting to yourself that Calliban knows more than you do, and he might be willing to help you learn if you were to ask for help.
For anyone to pretend to knowledge they do not have is apparent to those who ** do ** know.
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