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#26 2023-02-19 17:03:37

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Lockheed Martin's animation of "Destination: Space 2050" vision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyLjwOUMTGc

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#27 2023-03-02 09:18:16

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NASA Is Desperately Trying to Mine the Moon Before China Gets There

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/ … ning-race/

or certain deep spooky gay clown gets repeatedly quoted
so why not quote him?

or is it wiser to quote Peter Zeihan Stratfor Charlatan Comedy Show, or just a globalist who misses the Bretton Woods Era?
a scammer!?
Don't worry Geo-analyst says, they will collapse any second now...honk honk!

Why did the guy delete 'A Step Back From the Brink' ...cultural genocide of islam? and why would sites on the net now have archived links that instead read 404 errors?

Return to Tiananmen the Holocausting Endings of Hong Kong?



This Is How the World Ends
https://web.archive.org/web/20180630130 … ds-part-i/

The State of the Pandemic: The United States
https://archive.fo/UlIWi
'The situation will not noticeably improve until such time as we have a widely distributed vaccine program.'

The Cutting Room Files
https://archive.fo/w1ygM
The Future of Canada

Simply put, from American point of view, the Mexican demography is the demography of the perfect partner.

Canada’s is not.

Economically, Canada isn’t a partner. It is a competitor, and that’s before one considers the Canadian tendency to subsidize industries as unrelated as dairy and aerospace and timber and electricity.

In a time when the Americans are pulling back from the global system and rewriting all their trade relationships, this alone would be cause for great concern in the Great White North. But the Canadian-American economic mismatch is only the first problem.

The second problem in Canadian-American relations is the Americans are having a change of heart about their northern neighbor not simply in economic terms, but overall.

When the Trump administration started its whole the-world-is-screwing-us-and-we’re-going-to-forcibly-renegotiate-all-trade-deals campaign, the Canadians took it as an opportunity to make demands of the United States. That clearly didn’t fit with TeamTrump’s understanding of what was supposed to be going on. Why in the world would the Canadians believe they have leverage over the government who controls the only market that matters to Canada, and global finance, energy and sea lanes to boot?

Canada’s confidence dates back to the Cold War. The flight path for the feared Soviet nuclear missile strike on the United States would have been over Canada. There was no version of American security that would not by default also guarantee Canadian security. The Canadians could have been security free-riders if they had chosen to, but to their credit they have fought and died alongside American soldiers in nearly every overseas endeavor the U.S. military has undertaken.

That does not mean the Canadians did not use their leverage, they just used it on issues of trade rather than security, leveraging their strategic position to gain concessions on market access for their products. The Canadians had a strong hand and they played it well. Repeatedly. Those trade victories were all folded into the original NAFTA accord back in the early 1990s.

It all fit with the times. The whole concept of the American-led global Order was that the Americans would create and subsidize a security and trade rubric to induce countries to join them in the fight against the Soviets. Guns-for-butter was the rule of the era. Canada’s position meant it had more to offer, and granting Ottawa some extra trade concessions for its cooperation was a price the Americans were eager to pay.

Times change.

Canadian negotiators resisted the Trump administration’s trade goals, thinking Canada’s leverage still existed.

But with the Cold War over, the Americans no longer fear Russian attack.

Canada is now just another country.

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#28 2023-06-07 13:57:32

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Technologies we could see by the year 2050

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CUoJmNTDCs

A look at Japan’s demographic collapse, through the eyes of its youth

https://english.elpais.com/internationa … youth.html

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#29 2023-07-05 16:44:30

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Jean Raspail was probably one of the guys who predicted hordes of islamics outbreeding the French and Burning and Looting the cities of France in the French version of George Floyd riots.

LM has a happy 2050 vision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KLBjdRKx-s

I'm not going to make a prediction
but I hope someone will have tested a Space Elevator from the Moons of Mars and maybe an Artificial Gravity Station.

that expensive SLS probably won't be around in year 2061

clark wrote:

computer programmed personality chat-bots will over take the internet message boards, conversing and reacting to real people, as well as other chat bots.

User Clark correctly predicted a rise of 'Chatbots' and AI

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#30 2023-08-25 05:14:53

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'Visualizing the Future Global Economy by GDP in 2050'

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visual … p-in-2050/

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#31 2023-08-28 08:42:22

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People criticize NASA not not marking the 50th Anniversary of Apollo but what of Russia and 2007

How will Russian cultural presence in Space be in 2057 so many years after Sputnik?

A failed lunar mission dents Russian pride and reflects deeper problems with Moscow's space industry
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/failed-lunar- … 27355.html

An ambitious but failed attempt by Russia to return to the moon after nearly half a century

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Saturn's moon Enceladus top target for ESA

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration … et_for_ESA

A fresh, icy crust hides a deep, enigmatic ocean. Plumes of water burst through cracks in the ice, shooting into space. An intrepid lander collects samples and analyses them for hints of life.

ESA has started to turn this scene into a reality, devising a mission to investigate an ocean world around either Jupiter or Saturn. But which moon should we choose? What should the mission do exactly? A team of expert scientists has delivered their findings.

The mission would follow Juice, LISA and NewAthena as the first ‘large-class’ mission of Voyage 2050, ESA’s long-term plan for space science activities. Its overarching theme – ‘moons of the giant Solar System planets’ – was chosen back in 2021. To translate this theme into more concrete mission concepts, ESA selected a committee of top planetary scientists to pool their knowledge and expertise.

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'Global Income Set to Shrink by One Fifth by 2050 Under Climate Change'

https://www.scihb.com/2024/04/global-in … y-one.html

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#34 2024-06-08 02:26:39

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Chinese on Mars in 2050

China seeks its own Apollo moment – and more
https://spacenews.com/china-seeks-its-o … -and-more/

Scenarios are now being outlined, incorporating future-focused ideas for human spaceflight.

A paper on the ILRS published in April by the Chinese Society of Astronautics outlines phased plans for establishing a permanent presence on the moon.

The phases are as follows:

Until 2035: This initial phase focuses on mastering basic technologies and engineering solutions necessary for lunar habitation, with an emphasis on resource extraction.

2035 to 2045: During this period, additional substations will be established to build on earlier progress. These substations will provide supplies and living conditions for astronauts, deeply integrating robotic and crewed lunar exploration activities. This phase will also serve as prior experience for subsequent deep space exploration missions, such as those to Mars.

From 2045 onwards: The final phase will concentrate on large-scale resource utilization, including the construction of significant buildings such as lunar factories and laboratories. Tourism is a potential opportunity. Main tasks will include:

    Autonomous lunar-based production of hydrogen and oxygen liquid propellants.
    Production of 100% oxygen and water for a 10-person crewed lunar landing.

According to the paper, these stations will form the basis of China’s Earth-moon space economic sphere and position the country as a leader in human deep space exploration activities.

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Further out, Chinese space officials and publications have identified human missions to Mars as a long-term goal for around 2050, though there are no specifics.

TIANGONG EXPANSION

More immediately, China is looking to expand its presence and activities in low Earth orbit. The three-module Tiangong space station was completed in 2022, and China aims to keep it constantly occupied for at least a decade. In October, it was revealed that China plans to add a multifunctional module to the outpost around 2027, with six new docking ports to accommodate additional modules and visiting spacecraft.

“We will build a 180-ton, six-module assembly in the future,” Zhang Qiao of the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST) said in October at the 47th International Astronautical Congress in Baku, Azerbaijan. With each module weighing around 22 tons, an expanded Tiangong would be just over a third of the mass of the roughly 450-metric-ton International Space Station (ISS).

These plans indicate a commitment to human spaceflight in low Earth orbit and support recent claims by China’s first astronaut, Yang Liwei, now a high-level official at the China Manned Space Engineering Office (CMSEO), that Tiangong will soon begin selecting international astronauts to conduct science onboard. A low Earth orbit version of the Mengzhou spacecraft, launched on a single-stick Long March 10, would further enable more diverse crews to an expanded Tiangong, with a capacity of six to seven astronauts compared to the Shenzhou’s limit of three.

China is also looking at commercial and low-cost solutions for supplying Tiangong, echoing and learning from NASA’s commercial cargo initiative that provided a level of support for SpaceX.

The U.S. and Europe are planning solutions to the end of the International Space Station, with the former particularly keen not to see China become the only show in LEO. They are notably looking to commercial actors including Blue Origin, VAST, Voyager Space and others to develop modules and habitats capable of hosting astronauts, science and manufacturing.

But China, too, is looking at new solutions, including inflatable modules similar to those being developed by Sierra Space. An institute under CAST, China’s main spacecraft manufacturer and maker of the Tiangong modules, is exploring inflatable habitats for human spaceflight in LEO and how to get them to Tiangong for testing. Beyond this, their applicability for the ILRS lunar base is also being considered.
COOPERATION CONSTELLATIONS

Despite globally expanding plans for low Earth orbit, cooperation between China and the West will likely be limited, according to Scott Pace.

“It’s possible to imagine U.S.-China space cooperation that is transparent, reciprocal, and mutually beneficial, such as lunar sample exchanges, biomedical data exchanges, sharing of lunar and Martian space situational awareness data, and international coordination for the use of radio spectrum on and around the moon,” Pace said.

“However, the degree of political trust required for joint human spaceflight operations is not present. Even coordinated scientific missions would be very difficult, if not impossible, under current conditions,” he added.

For now, China and the U.S. appear set on the same destinations with very separate programs and, with few exceptions, different sets of partners. How China’s engagement, task sharing, and rule-setting play out remains to be seen.

“China has repeatedly stated that it is open to international cooperation. However, like the Belt and Road Initiative, space cooperation tends to be on terms solely determined by China,” says Pace. “The nature of these transactional relations results in less long-term influence than more genuine partnerships.”

While it’s been nearly 55 years since the United States won last century’s space race by being the first — and so far only nation — to land astronauts on the moon, the neck-and-neck race to be the first to do so in the 21st century has significant implications.

“The first strategic implication is whether China successfully lands humans on the moon before the United States,” says Julienne. “China’s plan to establish a lunar research station is a long-term goal, but walking on the moon before the Americans would send a strong signal that China has become a space power as capable as the U.S., if not more.”

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