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I think it would be good to look at what each is spending on space. We have many, many discussions of 'Costs' and Budgets on newmars. I think it would be good to have a general discussion in once place. It can discuss NASA's budget, the political changes to funding as each Admin comes and goes, it can discuss the Chinese Space Budget, the India funding for human space exploration, the funding of Russia space projects, it can include Japan's robots or It can include the ESA budget or the individual British or French projects outside ESA, or Governments and Private Sectors working together.
Here are some previous discussions
'NASA budget jumps $1.1B with big increase for SLS, Orion' https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=206214 , Nasa 2017 budget https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7379 'Trump Calls for Big NASA Budget Increases -- Democrats Object' https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9696 Low cost Europa lander missions. https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7218
NASA Awaiting Congressional Approval for Moon to Mars Program Office
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa … am-office/
In an attempt to outdo ourselves, in our second talk at today's @ESA
Moving to Mars Workshop, Mathias Larrouturou presents a concept for rapid round-trip Mars missions that do not require propellant: Plasma Surfing. This work was done in collaboration with JeffGreason
https://twitter.com/McGill_AdAstra/stat … 9717419008
Minerals and Waters?
NASA announced 13 candidate landing regions for future Artemis missions to the Moon. For comparison, I add landing sites proposed by CAST scientists for China's future lunar landing missions in this figure
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 1511185408
SpaceX Dragon spacecraft for low cost trips to the Moon.
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6114
Nasa 2021 Budget https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9784 Low cost Mars Sample Return. https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6802
Cost of Spaceflight https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10204 NASA's 2013 Budget. https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6118
Space exploration makes up a significant chunk in the budgets of some of the world’s developed countries yet it is often less than 1% of the total budget. Some countries spend a lot on space, Iran for its size spends a significant figure on a space budget – $500 million but it mostly has military scud missiles and little in space exploration, some smaller countries in Europe gain experience by joining a larger ESA for exploration experience. Both India and China both spend a similar level of money on Space but Chinese have successfully built a Space Station, they had a Rover with plants growing inside a small Biopshere on the Surface of the Moon and have a Robot Exploring Mars. Japan has also been very successful but has become stagnant in recent years. South Korea has recently come out of nowhere and started to claim its own new space feats. Russia spends a third of what NASA spends in space but it is also a poorer economy and they have not done any new feats for many years. When measuring Surplus or Deficit place such as Qatar and Macau spend the highest on space, Australia and Brazil also put a lot of money into space. While sometimes there is a debate on manned vs unmanned I do not believe going off topic with discussions such as Humans vs Robots would be helpful for this topic
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NASA's peaked before the Apollo 11 and other Moon landings when it was almost as high as 4% of all federal spending. JFK is Remembered as the U.S. Democrat leader that put the USA on a path to the Moon, NASA’s budget actually decreased during the time that Bill Clinton was president. Apollo was a big spending increase but by year 1975 NASA was spending less than one percent 0.98 % it briefly went above 1% in 1991 but has never increased beyond the level of 1% since Apollo. In Year 2021 the Japanese increased their spending on space, Japan set aside a record space budget of 449.6 billion yen ($4.14 billion) for space. The 2008 ESA budget amounted to € 3.0 billion whilst the 2009 budget amounted to € 3.6 billion, France, Germany and Italy provide most of the ESA budget, they are also EU members however not every member of ESA is part of the EU, Canadians contribute to a number of ESA missions but is a Non-full member and independent, Austria, Norway Finland, all later joined ESA as full members.
http://www.esa.int/For_Media/Press_Rele … artnership
Union budget: Department of space allocated Rs 12,543 crore, 9 per cent less than last year
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states … 43589.html
How Canada is Shaping the World’s Future in Space
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-how-canada- … -in-space/
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Mars for Only $1.5 Trillion
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-mars-for-only-1-5-trillion/
Ever since NASA successfully accomplished the seemingly impossible task of landing humans on the moon, space leaders have set Mars as a goal. When that proved to be too difficult, dangerous and expensive, NASA opted for a mostly reusable transportation system (the space shuttle) and a human-occupied International Space Station in low Earth orbit that could become a place to assemble missions back to the moon or to Mars.
Hoping to regain the glory of Apollo, President Barack Obama in 2010 called for a human trip to Mars by 2035. Five years later, NASA is projecting success and spending nearly all its $4 billion annual budget for human space exploration on the Space Launch System and Orion capsule, supposedly built for Mars trips. Incredibly, NASA still does not have a feasible mission design or a credible overall cost estimate for the first human trip to Mars. However, there is enough known about the mission and required equipment to provide a ballpark estimate of its cost.
The most critical element needed for a trip to Mars is also the most expensive. A new vehicle must safely sustain the crew for two to three years without resupply and embody all the functions of the current ISS and be a lot better. These requirements include an environmental control and life support system that monitors and controls partial pressures of oxygen, carbon dioxide, methane, hydrogen and water vapor. It must filter out particulates and microorganisms, provide thermal control with external cooling loops and pumps, and distribute air. This system for Mars also must provide potable water and perform habitation functions, such as food preparation and production, hygiene, collection and stabilization of metabolic waste, laundry services and trash recycling. Waste management systems safeguard crew health, controlling odors and retarding the growth of microbes.
Other critical systems include electric power generation and control, communications and navigation, attitude control (control moment gyroscopes), exercise equipment, propulsion to dodge foreign objects, puncture repair kits, fire suppression equipment, medical equipment for first aid and continuing care of potentially sick or disabled crew, airlock, spacesuits for extravehicular activity, manipulator arm and control station, and food, extra supplies of oxygen, nitrogen, fuels and other expendables. Long-term exposure to space radiation in excess of levels encountered on the ISS will require significantly enhanced protection for the crew.
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