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#26 2022-03-29 17:30:17

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

World GDP is something like $84,000 billion per annum. Space X's Mars Mission might be something like $20 billion over more than a decade. $20 billion represents something like 0.02% of just one year's World GDP. Or 0.002% over ten years.

It's nothing essentially.

Musk is well on the way to becoming the world's first trillionaire thanks to his amazing ingenuity and business acumen.  He will have no problem funding the Mars Mission. The limit here is not funds but people - people with the right knowledge and technical skills plus the right attitude - and then the right set up - getting everything square with the authorities and NASA.

Calliban wrote:

My own estimate for the first human footprints on Mars would be: 2100.  No one alive here now will live to see it.

This is roughly how long I think it will take to recover from an imminent great depression stemming from fossil fuel depletion and declining working age population.  The question of when humans can first reach Mars, is basically a question of how long it will take to rebuild the energetic basis of our economy.  I think it will take many decades to replace the chemical energy base with a nuclear energy base.  It will take many decades to reverse demographic decline.  So I think 2100 is probably about right.  The other answer that I dread to give would be never at all.  I would like to think that we can overcome the disaster that is about to hit us, even if we have to rebuild on a resource base that is depleted.  I just don't think anyone here will be alive when we finally regain Space faring capabilities.  I would be happy to be wrong.


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#27 2022-04-18 12:59:32

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

China's missions to the moon and Mars are starting to deliver exciting science results

https://www.space.com/china-moon-mars-mission-science

louis wrote:

Musk is well on the way to becoming the world's first trillionaire thanks to his amazing ingenuity and business acumen.

Ha! his welath is overestimated while the crimes inside those 28 pages were hidden,
don't get me wrong. I like Musk, I think Elon is far better than those old money dinosaurs

the old money bloodlines are already Trillionaires, they outspend him, one of those islamic mohammedan Princes was able to outspend him buying a chunk twitter


None of their welath is reported in any official news media magazine, they are all part of the hush hush club....but One day you might come to understand how much land, political power and wealth those older dinosaur elite truly own.

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#28 2022-04-19 07:31:39

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

After six months in space, three Chinese astronauts back on Earth

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 713_4.html

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#29 2022-05-07 07:16:51

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

Humanity will go to Mars 'in this decade,' SpaceX president predicts

https://www.space.com/humanity-mars-202 … t-shotwell

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#30 2022-06-08 04:51:08

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

China plans to launch trial for a solar power plant space station in 2028 that will beam energy back down to Earth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ … pace-2028/

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#31 2022-06-12 08:59:14

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

Inside China’s plan to go to the Moon and Mars as work continues on private Chinese space station
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/18860156/ … e-station/

China's Mars Rover Goes Dormant in Intense Dust Storm
https://www.cnet.com/science/space/chin … ust-storm/

'Two views of the Chinese electrical/engineering ground mockup of the Tiangong Space Complex. First image shows more of the overall structure. Wentian on the left, Tianhe-1 center with Mengtian far right. First image also has a Tianzhou cargo craft at the aft docking port.'
https://twitter.com/ShuttleAlmanac/stat … 2976559105

GM and Lockheed are expanding their moon buggy into a whole lunar lineup
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/gm-and- … -1.5942992

NASA selects new instruments to study moon
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/0 … 654270756/

Russia-Ukraine war: How Elon Musk's StarLink thwarted Vladimir Putin's information war
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia … 7EOCYFK7A/

ESA does not anticipate Russian withdrawal from ISS
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/es … 022-05-25/

The Ukraine War is Accelerating the New Space Race
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/13 … pace-race/

Every spacecraft on Mars - comparison Vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6EO4B7V68

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#32 2022-06-27 18:55:15

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

Tianwen is currently in orbit around Mars with a rover on the surface, they will now test Tianwen 1 to gain experience for Tianwen 3

So now Do we have a timetable for their MSR, Tianwen-3 China Aims to Get Mars Rock Samples Returned to Earth? will launch a stationary lander with sampling devices and an ascent stage that will carry the soil samples into Mars orbit.
https://spacenews.com/china-aims-to-bri … a-mission/

http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n6758823/n675883 … ntent.html

http://www.bjnews.com.cn/news/2020/07/23/751604.html

http://zhuanti.spacechina.com/n1411849/ … ntent.html

https://www.edu.cn/rd/zi_xun/201608/t20 … 2100.shtml

if you want to search news articles in a search engine the Chinese for Mars you combine the characters 'Fire' and 'Planet' 火星
in simple Chinese Tianwen is wrote 天问 or in traditional Chinese hanzi characters 天問 the literal translation for the name of the Mars Orbiter is ' Heavenly Questions'

Tianwen-1 will test aerobraking at Mars to lower orbit to gain some experience for this ahead of the future Tianwen-3 mission
vid
https://www.koushare.com/lives/room/812404
2nd Report Sun Zezhou, chief designer of "Tianwen No.1" Mars Exploration & Sample Return mission.
报告二:“天问一号”总设计师孙泽洲
火星探测及采样返回
Another link with quote
https://www.go-taikonauts.com/en/chines … on-the-way

China’s Mars mission to lead the world in retrieving Martian rocks by 2031, says program veteran
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … tian-rocks

'Tianwen 3, the mission designed to retrieve samples from Mars'

Seem to be different locations chosen from what NASA and ESA desires, China collecting different types of sample?

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2022-06-27 19:07:10)

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#33 2022-09-14 05:25:15

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

China's next moon missions get the green light

https://www.space.com/china-moon-explor … s-approved

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#34 2022-09-23 17:33:41

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Re: Could China beat Space X to Mars?

China's Tianwen 4 to target Jupiter and Uranus with two spacecraft on one rocket
https://interestingengineering.com/inno … one-rocket

There were previous reports of a Nuke Powered Neptune Mission or 'Interstellar Heliosphere Probe'
https://www.planetary.org/articles/chin … ne-orbiter

The name Gan De shows up as a 'spacecraft' while ZhengHe , also known as Tianwen-2 might be a planned Chinese asteroid sample-return and comet exploration mission

Gan De: Science Objectives and Mission Scenarios For China’s Mission to the Jupiter System
https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org … 20179.html

The new generation human rated launch vehicle #CZ5DY will be reusable too
1st stage: 7 YF-100K
2nd stage: 2 YF-100M
3rd stage: 3 YF-75E
LTO: 27 ton
LEO: 70 ton
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 6101915648

Map
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China … n_999.html

DeepSpace
https://defenceaviationpost.com/capable … -of-range/

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