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#1 2021-08-01 11:05:32

Calliban
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Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

This from the UK.  Journalists face up to 14 years in prison for publishing stories that embarrass the government.  Embarrass them in front of whom?  Their own people?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hange.html

This would appear to me to fly in the face of the idea that government should be accountable to the people for its actions.  These creepy politicians clearly do not think that they should be accountable for their own actions.  Is this not the definition of tyranny?  The idea that one is entitled to rule because God ordained that they occupy a position of power?  The absence of freedom to speak would appear to me to be incompatible with the concept of representative democracy.  Without that freedom, even an elected leader is a tyrant, because the freedom to choose is meaningless without the freedom to receive and disseminate information without fear of persecution.

I do not believe that the UK has ever been ruled by the will of the people.  And with each passing day, we appear to moving further from that idea.  Usually, this marks the point where an oppressed populous picks up guns and removes the tyrant from power and puts in place a proper constitution that limits the power of government.  How much more BS do we have to tolerate before that happens?

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#2 2021-08-01 12:10:23

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

For Calliban ...

In light of the division that showed up when Brexit was proposed, I wonder what would happen if citizens of the lands where you reside were to decide to hold a constitutional convention.

The American experiment is not much of an example to go by, considering how fragile it is, but at least it ** does ** provide a model of what a Constitutional Convention might look like for your region.

You could (for example) choose to eliminate the royalty altogether, or perhaps keep it if enough citizens like having it as a part of the culture.

From your title of this topic, I thought the scope might have been larger than just what it turns out to be.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to change/edit a topic title.

you ** could ** delete the topic and create a new one with a better scope.

If you keep the current title, then the answer is a guarded "NO" ...

I say guarded, because democracy is NOT strong anywhere ... humans appear to like being ruled with an iron hand.

Democracy is hard work, and (apparently) not everyone is up for it.

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#3 2021-08-01 16:50:38

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

We are well down the road. It's a race between the UK, USA and France I think to become the first democracy to convert entirely to totalitarianism. The UK's elections are still relatively honest, unlike those in the USA, where mail in ballots have been weaponised to deliver a permanent Democrat majority. Macron seems to be the most fiercely anti-democratic leader in the West. In no country can people speak freely any longer about issues of concern.


Calliban wrote:

This from the UK.  Journalists face up to 14 years in prison for publishing stories that embarrass the government.  Embarrass them in front of whom?  Their own people?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hange.html

This would appear to me to fly in the face of the idea that government should be accountable to the people for its actions.  These creepy politicians clearly do not think that they should be accountable for their own actions.  Is this not the definition of tyranny?  The idea that one is entitled to rule because God ordained that they occupy a position of power?  The absence of freedom to speak would appear to me to be incompatible with the concept of representative democracy.  Without that freedom, even an elected leader is a tyrant, because the freedom to choose is meaningless without the freedom to receive and disseminate information without fear of persecution.

I do not believe that the UK has ever been ruled by the will of the people.  And with each passing day, we appear to moving further from that idea.  Usually, this marks the point where an oppressed populous picks up guns and removes the tyrant from power and puts in place a proper constitution that limits the power of government.  How much more BS do we have to tolerate before that happens?


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#4 2021-08-01 17:06:34

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Democracy pass into authorisms first as the new king takes hold....

Something like this

This is what we are seeing the "Big Lie" almost always refers to the false claim by Donald Trump and his right-wing cronies that the 2020 presidential election was somehow stolen by the left and Joe Biden, with the help of foreign agents.

Republicans claim to fear left-wing authoritarianism — but there's no such thingAANjRPr.img?h=540&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=882&y=438

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#5 2021-08-08 17:58:44

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

West will change like the tides, what was imperial and east and west will distort, right and left will have no meaning after hundreds of years.

This Londonistan place or Britbongistan is not the Western world

There will be dead weight but Mars is our goal now

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#6 2021-08-08 19:03:20

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Everyone should learn to identify the tactics used to brainwash the masses into acceptance of authoritarianism:

MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL

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#7 2021-08-08 21:08:54

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

I will study your materials.  I think it is important for all western people to be aware of the cultural rapes that have been going on, and the potential for more.  However our position is not of having no means of self protection.

I believe that there are time processes.  At this time I believe we have entered a reversal of roles as per parts of the 20th century.  That is nobody is forever a people who should be demonized for history.  That was the very thing that made
WWI and WWII the unpleasant process that it was.

Our chances are very good in my opinion.  But we have cultural infiltrators that can be useful to a point, and may need to be kept at bay, should they try to impose non-western cultural systems on us.  Quislings help them.

It is a mirror reality in my opinion.

But don't reply.  Even if you want to.

I believe that our situation is rather good, and awareness is a very good beginning
tool to reduce and end the rape process.

Done.


Done.

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#8 2021-08-09 01:04:19

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Void,

WWI and WWII were "unpleasant processes" because evil men with abhorrent ideas managed to brainwash their masses of followers into destroying themselves, their fellow countrymen, and everyone around them through war, famine, and genocide.  Nothing about what happened during those wars was particularly unique or different from past wars or genocides.  All of human history is a collection of recurring themes, some good / some bad / most par for the course, with circumstances and available technology being the only real differences.  The end results certainly haven't changed.  It's unsurprising that no greater meaning has been derived through all of that suffering.  Everyone involved at the time thought that either they or their circumstances or technology were somehow "unique" or different from all other human experiences, but any objective review of events would indicate that such was never the case.  That is what is actually meant by "not believing your own BS".

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#9 2021-08-09 10:53:18

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

kdb512,

I accept your post without opposition.

I do which to note that there has been judgement creep, where more and more people have been put under judgement for certain crimes of the past.

I also note that in my opinion the NAZI were not the friends of the people they
claimed to wish to help.  They only used them by telling them that they were special.  One thing that I learned is that they believe that they can create a higher
order of life by making groups fight with each other.  It is a sort of Darwinism.

They apparently thought that it was OK to take the German people to a casino and bet their future.  If they  failed they were not worthy, and so this would be a test of worth, written in cruelty.

Done.


Done.

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#10 2021-08-13 06:00:55

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Totalitarian regimes develop because a large fraction of people are motivated by fears, from which they can only feel safe by eliminating other people's freedom.  For them, any freedom is freedom to disobey; absolute control of every minutiae of other people's lives is the only way they can feel protected.  I know quite a lot of people whose internal psychology works in this way.  They are not always obnoxious to talk to, but they cannot tolerate or empathise with anyone that sees things differently.  They simply do not value freedom.  They think oppression and control will bring moral certitude and safety from anything unexpected.  Rather than embrace the opportunities of the outside world, they want to build a cage for themselves and everyone else.  This sort of attitude always leads to war, because these people simply cannot tolerate or understand anyone that sees things differently to them.  So long as one person sees things differently and might contradict the narrative, they are a deadly threat that must be stamped out of existence, because one dissenting voice has the power to influence others.

This is how societies turn themselves into prisons.  This is the fight that lies ahead of us.  The fight between those that want to be free and those that are threatened by freedom.  There can be no peace with these people, because the idea of allowing other people to hold their own point of view and go their own way, is threatening to them.  To believe differently, is to threaten the validity of their ideals.  To live differently, is to defy them.  The weak and cowardly will go along the authoritarians, because the only other option is to be at war with them.  Those that love freedom and will not comply, will not willingly form collectives to oppose the authoritarians.  Hence, they rapidly find themselves outnumbered, isolated and then persecuted using the powers of the state.  The evil will crush the good, because the good have no motive to seek domination over others and will not collectively recognise the futility of appealing to reason until it is much too late.  This is the reality that makes freedom a historical aberration.  It is fear and hatred of freedom that has fed the Democratic party in the US, the socialists in mainland Europe and the two-party political establishment in Britain.  These people will not rest until human beings are reduced to the status of mechanical parts in a machine, with no freedom and no will or opportunity to disobey.  Amongst those that still value and yearn for freedom, there will remain the dream of escape.  It is this dream that fuels the drive for migration into space; to Alaska; to Antarctica; to Mars; to anywhere where one can be distant from ham-fisted control of totalitarianism.

https://alt-market.us/why-do-some-peopl … s-defy-it/

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#11 2021-08-13 08:04:49

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

I was reading yesterday that none of the US mainstream media had reported on the video of Hunter Biden speaking to a prostitute,  indicating the Russians had stolen one of this laptops (the story did appear in the UK based Mail Online and it would seem to be fully verified). Since we know Hunter gives daddy 10% on his deals, this is a clear security risk, but no one in the US mainstream media will touch the story just as they covered up during the election campaign. No  way could this item be described as unnewsworthy, so what have here is de facto censorship - a sign of a totalitarian mindset.

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#12 2021-08-13 09:24:44

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Calliban wrote:

Totalitarian regimes develop because a large fraction of people are motivated by fears, from which they can only feel safe by eliminating other people's freedom.  For them, any freedom is freedom to disobey; absolute control of every minutiae of other people's lives is the only way they can feel protected.  I know quite a lot of people whose internal psychology works in this way.  They are not always obnoxious to talk to, but they cannot tolerate or empathise with anyone that sees things differently.  They simply do not value freedom.  They think oppression and control will bring moral certitude and safety from anything unexpected.  Rather than embrace the opportunities of the outside world, they want to build a cage for themselves and everyone else.  This sort of attitude always leads to war, because these people simply cannot tolerate or understand anyone that sees things differently to them.  So long as one person sees things differently and might contradict the narrative, they are a deadly threat that must be stamped out of existence, because one dissenting voice has the power to influence others.

This is how societies turn themselves into prisons.  This is the fight that lies ahead of us.  The fight between those that want to be free and those that are threatened by freedom.  There can be no peace with these people, because the idea of allowing other people to hold their own point of view and go their own way, is threatening to them.  To believe differently, is to threaten the validity of their ideals.  To live differently, is to defy them.  The weak and cowardly will go along the authoritarians, because the only other option is to be at war with them.  Those that love freedom and will not comply, will not willingly form collectives to oppose the authoritarians.  Hence, they rapidly find themselves outnumbered, isolated and then persecuted using the powers of the state.  The evil will crush the good, because the good have no motive to seek domination over others and will not collectively recognise the futility of appealing to reason until it is much too late.  This is the reality that makes freedom a historical aberration.  It is fear and hatred of freedom that has fed the Democratic party in the US, the socialists in mainland Europe and the two-party political establishment in Britain.  These people will not rest until human beings are reduced to the status of mechanical parts in a machine, with no freedom and no will or opportunity to disobey.  Amongst those that still value and yearn for freedom, there will remain the dream of escape.  It is this dream that fuels the drive for migration into space; to Alaska; to Antarctica; to Mars; to anywhere where one can be distant from ham-fisted control of totalitarianism.

https://alt-market.us/why-do-some-peopl … s-defy-it/

Bravo.  Spot on.  This is exactly what is going on, as well as exactly why it is happening.  Someone was actually paying attention in history class.  Too bad for all of us that nobody else was.  You probably think that you need to be a good engineer, and I'm sure you are, but that's only partly correct.  People like you need to become philosophers to teach the imbeciles the difference between right and wrong, because in their lust for "safety" from threats that are well beyond the control of any human or group of humans, they have ignored the historical truism that people who sacrifice liberty for safety will have neither.  Amongst the radical leftists, you're never more than one "wrong opinion" away from being mercilessly persecuted by the people you falsely imagined were your friends.

I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating again until it finally sinks in amongst those who need to accept it:

The entire concept of "safety" is a 100% fictitious human brain construct that doesn't exist and will never exist in the objective universe.  That simple truth that will remain true for all eternity.  There is no "safe" or "unsafe".  There is "prudent" and "imprudent", but there is no such thing as safety because human brains simply "made it up" to describe a lack of fear, which itself is not objective in nature.  Two people can find themselves in the same situation, one will be absolutely terrified and the other will think it's as good a day as any other.  That same concept also applies to anything else that you can't objectively measure, such as equity and equality.

Strangely enough, we can objectively measure freedoms.  You're free to travel or you're not.  You're free to defend yourself against violent criminals without being persecuted by the state afterwards or you're not.  You're free to determine what goes into your body without persecution or you're not.  These are objective standards that can be directly observed by an independent observer who can determine whether or not any specific individual is either granted or denied such freedoms.

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#13 2021-08-13 13:53:08

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

For Calliban re topic ....

You and kbd512 have been discussing some heavy matters recently .... I decided to take the time to go back to the top.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … hange.html

Just FYI ... I carefully read the article you cited, and the comments.  The comments did not seem of a caliber to match the article as written, but they may have been one-off first impressions.

The subject of how large groups of humans can live productively and cooperatively on the same planet is one that deserves the kind of serious thought the two of you are investing.

I'll offer a location/region that ** is ** sinking into Totalitarianism at a mile-a-minute ... that would be Afghanistan.

I read an article on the subject recently ... I don't have it in front of me and am working from impressions ...

The author was critical of Western agencies who spent the last 20 years in Afghanistan, but the article reflected on the failure of (many of the same) Western agencies to prepare Iraq for attack by the Islamic State. 

Using the examples from kbd512 that are still visible on my browser screen ...

The women of Afghanistan are on the verge of losing the prospect of rewarding and productive lives in expression of their talents.  They will NOT be able to travel freely.  They will NOT be able to defend themselves against men.  The will NOT be able to determine what goes into their bodies.  They will NOT be able to communicate with anyone in the outside world, or even most people in their own country.

The article I'm reflecting on mentioned the failure of Western agencies to create armed forces in Iraq or Afghanistan that have the will to fight.

In Iraq, the huge armed force melted away in front of a tiny force of fanatics.  Something similar seems to be happening in Afghanistan.  From scattered reports, the Afghan regular forces are surrendering only to be executed on the spot.  Something is ** really ** wrong with this picture.

The article cites corruption that pervades Afghan society.  I can't speak to that.  I can only note that report after report seems to support the idea that in the absence of the discipline that the Taliban movement provides, the Afghan brain seems to tend toward corruption.

What ** is ** clear is that the Taliban have been raising young men from infancy to serve wholeheartedly in whatever the "cause" may be that is at the core of the movement.  A hint of the power of religion was provided recently, when a Western female journalist interviewed a Taliban leader taking a break from capturing the country.  The leader was forthright about the enforcement of Sharia Law, elimination of education for women, and numerous other policies that Western readers have become familiar with.

In another  commentary, this time in a television news analysis program, the speaker offered the opinion that the Taliban has probably learned a valuable lesson to keep it's mayhem confined to it's own neighborhood, and to avoid irritating the West to the point of invasion.  The speaker (in this case) offered the opinion that the Taliban will be free to enforce whatever discipline they like on their population and neighbors.

In this post, I have avoided mention of points made by correspondents earlier (except for a few items from kbd512) because there is ** so ** much to study and to try to absorb.  This topic appears to have opened with a worthy question/topic, and the conversation appears to have value as it proceeds.

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#14 2021-10-18 22:55:21

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

This article details the lengths to which the British State will now go to harass anyone that doesn't buy into mainstream political orthodoxy.  Shocking and appalling.  If these are not the actions of a totalitarian regime, then I don't know what else is needed to prove the point.  The West looks more and more like the Soviet Union with each passing day; and Britain looks a lot like 1980s East Germany.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2 … in-prison/

The more stories like this that I read, the more I begin to feel that the best thing any British person can do is to leave the place.  But then where does one go?  Australia and Canada are headed down the same road.  The US looks to be close to some sort of collapse.

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#15 2021-10-29 14:50:58

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

How do you even ban an organisation. Does this basically mean that those identified as members are barred from meeting each other? I don't see what else it could mean.

Dammit, this legislation is a mess - Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations. You can arrest anyone for any reason under this...

express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation

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#16 2021-10-29 19:42:31

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Terraformer,

It's more dictatorial power that will mean whatever those in power want it to mean.  None of you have pushed back in any meaningful way, so they'll keep asserting powers and privileges over the public until they're properly restrained.  Too bad your citizens gave up their guns.  After that happens, all respect for the people is lost.  I can't say that things are meaningfully better on our side of the pond, because they're not.

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#17 2021-11-20 13:23:35

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

For a while I used to think the pendulum would swing Extreme Left or Extreme Right, I guess it was like the Bush Jnr Patriot Act 'You're Either With Us or With the Terrorists' I expected things to be more normal after the Neo-Cons were defeated. Things would 'change' with Obama that was the hopium election, but then you had a mob criticize anyone as 'Racist' for calling out Obama's domestic policy or foreign policy, cancel culture and Woke-ism and new forms of old Fascist Marxism creeping in everywhere. The USA is still the leader when it comes to free thinking, maybe British, French, ancient Greece you could say these places gave birth to the ideas or morals of Western Civilisation. I'm not sure where we are now, maybe the Pendulum has got very twisted or broke itself swing back and forth maybe the Hegelian dialectic framework has changed, or perhaps the Overton Window has shifted onto another plane, anotehr realm. Politics has certainly got more ridiculous with Trump and then Biden as President. Remember the Virginia mom who survived Maoist China she now calls out this 'public school marxism' she bashed idea of paying reparations and eviscerates school board's critical race theory push. While Trump was a hot head and insulting I find it very strange that youtube, twitter, facebook have banned the 45th President Trump while allowing islamists like the Taliban to operate their social media accounts! The big technology Mega-corporate Tech world is here. Trump barred from Twitter, but Taliban spokesman tweets away. Trump had his own blog for a while, then he finally got around to building a media company online for himself and other Team-Trump people, called it 'Truth Social' but Elizabeth Warren now asks for police or political media powers to to investigate Trump media company. From people re-tweeting or reposting Trumps statements on his new platform it seems he has not tunred down the volume and is still blasting others, Trump slams ‘Broken Old Crow’ McConnell on infrastructure, warns GOP against BBB plan. Maybe the whole circus clown show or media and military and propaganda and subversion and social media will all slowly become one big thing to create division and in a way this divide is anotehr from of control. As for the whole Marxism Theory thing....Critical Race Theory: Marxism in Disguise? https://townhall.com/columnists/roberto … e-n2598995 while the USA is worried about idenity politics the Russians are testing ASAT weapons

As for the economy I'm sure there's a Gasoline, Shipping. inflation thread around here somewhere.

Facts are different to politics in that numbers don't really lie to your face.

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#18 2021-11-28 13:17:10

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Could the West ever see Max Max type anarchy?


Hundreds Of FedEx Packages Found Dumped In Alabama Town
https://rumble.com/vpu5l6-hundreds-of-f … -town.html

Knocking Down Thomas Jefferson Statues Won’t Change Jefferson’s Legacy
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/11/ … ns-legacy/

Mayor de Blasio praises Thomas Jefferson’s ‘immense contributions’ but lauds removal of his NYC City Council statue
https://news.yahoo.com/mayor-blasio-pra … 00088.html

Spike in smash-and-grab attacks means bad news in store for shoppers
https://nypost.com/2021/11/25/spike-in- … r-shoppers

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#19 2021-11-29 09:07:53

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Imposed jihadi laws...perhaps self imposed Sharia Law in Canada?

Canadian school cancels event with ISIS survivor out of fear of offending Muslim students
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … m-students

Some pro islamist pro terroristic idiot in Canada CANCELS event with ISIS survivor Nadia Murad because her harrowing description of torture and rape would be offensive to mohammedan terrorists!??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … slims.html

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#20 2022-01-07 14:07:04

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Sinking into BigTechy madness with the Facebooks, Online Videos, Chat groups, Youtubes, Try to be all and every global compuet group, with Twitters and Instagrams while opening the Door for 'Sharia Laws'?

Instagram blocked hashtag in memory of Iran plane crash victims
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59901366
They blocked posts using a hashtag in memory of the victims of a Ukrainian airliner shot down by Iranian security forces two years ago.

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#21 2022-03-21 06:36:20

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I have read many past threads on Newmars about a Martian civlisation, how will they vote?  Give everyone on Mars 'Gun Rights' another person said. Then another said ban guns and have no Democracy why not a Monarchy? - a wicked Emperor or why not a Constitutional Monarchy? Some asked what if war breaks out on our new multi cultural colony, maybe militarize before colonize? Another talked of Religion, people must have their Religions respected you know, their customs and burial rituals of faith respected, Technology Updates came into the Civlisation and Government and Culture debates but then the idea of a big scary Technocracy, bureaucratic battles and corporate conflicts came up? Will the people on Mars be so poor and so cruished by debts that they lose their dignity, bodies at first might be taken by law to become worm food, new soil must be created, and what happens once the cities on Mars are finally contructed what of a loved one, “cremation, right?”
“Yeah,” the Marsman said, his body and spirit almost broken from work and debts. “Creamation.” “The cheapest one.”


How stupid will things get, do they ban any musician linked to Russian culture or is banning Russian art or the name of the first man in Space the answer? The United States had recession in its past decades but it always felt like it could grow again after an economic slow down it more or less had generations of stability after WW2, the USA won the ColdWar didn't it? Yet ever since Neo-Con Bush Jnr invaded Iraq much of the West seems to be in one long almost near endless recession, more and more inheritance of debt, there is political desperation, from the shrub little Bush, to Obama to Trump to Biden the country got more divided than ever and overall there is a fall from the middle class.


The Russian currency the Ruble is crashing the EU already hit Russia with Sanctions and Threatens Russia With New Sanctions, the USA and NATO are indirectly supporting a ground resistance and the Russians might find themselves stuck in a long war, fighting street to street. In a strange way I think even though the Russian currency would collpase before the US Dollar takes big damage I think the Russian people themselves are more used to hardship and cynical, they survived the collpase of the USSR and they might stock up for the apocalypse could probably ride out long some years long Russian winters better than your average American citizen could. The Ukraine War is adding to inflation, it has added to the prices of Gasolibne, it now has a chance where it Threatens to Cause a Global Food Crisis. With Lockdowns and Job Less with Covid were these supply chains not already threatened? The market is truly globalized, price of agricultural commodities has fluctuated sharply as tensions around the Black Sea threaten to disrupt global shipments of ores, corn, minerals, fertilizers and vegetable oil. The political Greens of Germany don't want to invest in Nuclear and instead will continue to buy Russian Gas while there is a pollution problem and a warming of Antarctica, Arctic simultaneously, people said 'Fusion' would never be a thing but some other wiser nations and China however is investing in the new possible power of the future.

In movies we see scifi apoclaypse style collapse, a sudden decline of mankind and the UFO ships invade from Mars or someone builds a Terminator machine and it goes to War against humanity in this thrilling scifi movie. I am tempted to read some cataclysmic apocalypse decline of civilisation books, they don't go out with a tsunami or an atom bomb or a volcano or tsunami but are a combination of factors that add to social and democratic failure, the slower death and slow decline. World War Z by Max Brooks tells of the zombie Apoclapse, interesting and coincidental we see that 'Z' sign on the Russian tanks invading and fighting Ukraine tanks. I am now tempted to read the Books like The End of History and the Last Man, Francis Fukuyama, Storm of Steelby Ernst Jünger, or maybe fictional stuff The Difficult Quest to Destory the 'One Ring' in the Lord of the Rings Fantasy Series,  Paglia's Free Women Free Men, Goldstein's My Disillusionment in Russia, Hitchens' The Abolition of Britain, Icarus Fallen: Search For Meaning In An Uncertain World the Ideas Have Consequences book,  Spoilt Rotten: The Toxic Cult of Sentimentality by Theodore Dalrymple, The Decline of the West author Oswald Spengler, Harassment Architecture wrote by Mike Ma, Revolt Against the Modern World and other such books, Imperium written by Francis Parker Yockey, Sun and Steel by Yukio Mishima, The George Orwell 1984 Dystopia Warning, Bloom's Closing of the American Mind, The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times the 'Critique du monde moderne'  by René Guénon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire writer Edward Gibbon, The Bell Curve a controversial book some want banned,  another apocalyase book by Francis Fukuyama. In Japan they are know for their conformist culture maybe because it lies on a fault zone they came to see the needs of the individual are lesser than needs of the many. Guillaume Faye on western culture wrote something like  ‘Neo-primitivism’ is something you can see, an observable process of cultural involution, it consists of a return to behaviour of primitive masses, the decline of cultural memory and the appearance of social savagery. He says are countless signs of this new primitivism: the rise of illiteracy in schools, the explosion of drug use The present process of observable cultural involution towards a mass behaviour, there is  a weakening of cultural memory, a new re-brith of Rioting and Looting and of social savagery. I believe the book Le Camp des Saints French dystopian fiction novel by author and explorer Jean Raspail has already been censored and banned.

Seems now some level of insanity not wisdom coming from British as Cardiff orchestra defends move to cut Tchaikovsky, and old Yuri Gagarin, the first person in space, becomes the next item cut from Space Conference and Space Foundation, he died in March 1968 aged 34, he has no connection to the madman Putin leading the Russian Federation invadion of Ukraine but old Yuri the first man in space took the blame and has had his name removed, a nation that has Trump banned from much of the interwebs and social media internet accounts and yet terrorists like the Taliban have all their social media accounts?

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#22 2022-04-19 07:21:58

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

Biden White House Report Says Energy Taxes Are ‘Needed’ for Green Transition

https://thestarnewsnetwork.com/2022/04/ … ransition/

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#23 2022-04-19 08:16:22

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Re: Is the Western World Sinking into Totalitarianism?

1. If Biden thinks energy taxes are needed for the "green transition", then let's start by taxing the hell out of electricity, solar panels, and Lithium-ion batteries, as well as all modern electronics.  All that stuff is the end product of fossil fuels.

2. While we're at it, let's tax the living daylights out of every snot-nosed little Hollyweird rich person who gets up on TV and says they'd be willing to pay $10 for a gallon of gasoline.  We'll call it the "Jack@$$ Tax".  It'll be imposed on anyone behaving like a Jack@$$ and touting how much money they have to everyone else who don't make 1/10th of what they do.  Anyone proclaiming that the working class should simply "suck it up" every time one of them thinks it would be funny to watch said working class people suffer through another one of their moronic ideas, that's who this tax is for.

3. Let's tax anyone who mentions the word "green energy" whenever any part of it came from fossil fuels.  Those people definitely need their idiocy taxed to death.  They need to learn that using the word "green" in front of something means taking greenbacks out of their wallet and funneling to the class of people who need to be taxed, from Point #2.

Let's force these arrogant and ignorant little twits to get a good whiff of their own BS and then rub it in their faces 24/7/365 until they find their own brain vomit as repulsive as the rest of us do.

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#24 2022-04-19 08:25:59

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I think that they will need votes to sustain such a program.  People are already likely getting grouchy, about having their stuff taken away from them.  The nations immune system is waking up I think, to the woke infection.

Done.


Done.

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#25 2022-04-19 09:19:49

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Void,

I think politicians need mandatory cognitive tests.  If they can't read a teleprompter without screwing that up, then they don't get to be in charge of anything.  They need to at least appear to be competent.  Biden, Harris, and Pelosi fail that simple test miserably.  They're as dumb as the day is long, and everybody who hasn't been ideologically mentally disabled knows it.

That's why there's no push-back from the media on the notion that Biden and Harris are incompetent.  Even those half-wits are questioning what they signed up for.  As arrogant and condescending as media cretins typically are, they still know when they've made an egregious mistake that nobody from the public is buying into any longer.

At least the communists had their "intelligentsia" to represent them.  Our Democrats now have their "unintelligentsia" representing them.  Even the media can see it's ruining their schemes, as every American with a few functional brain cells tunes out.  CNN's paid media platform couldn't find 10,000 subscribers.  The most trusted name in news is only trusted by 0.003125% of America's population at most, probably the same clowns who put Joe Potato and Cackala Harris forward as their nominees.  Their "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity to pull the wool over the eyes of enough Americans to tinker with an election has now passed.  The left-wing media's obsequiousness towards a badly failing political party has ultimately failed them.  I'm sure they'll "reinvent themselves" as even more surreptitious and conniving liars, but they have no audience at this point.  MSDNC never really had an audience outside of the Democrat Party faithful.

This isn't funny anymore.  The joke was mildly entertaining for a time when it did little real damage, but that time has passed.  We need a real leader, even if it's a Democrat.  I recognize that's almost an oxymoron these days, but still.  They had to have had someone who could string together enough word to formulate an English sentence.  Unfortunately for everyone, Democrats don't seem to know what a leader is.  Anybody who arranges some words in a manner that makes them more emotional than they usually are, is someone they'll vote for, irrespective of any minimal capability to do the job they've been elected to do.  Nothing that's come out of the Biden Administration looks like a desirable result.

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