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#1 2006-12-25 05:50:23

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Re: Christmas on Mars

Just a few idle thoughts about Martian Christmas. Santa would be happy with the Polar regions but he would need to check his Martian calendar each year to get the right sol.

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#2 2006-12-25 13:44:43

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I wonder. Would the martians only get a Christmass once every two earth years or would they have a Christmass twice per martian year.

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#3 2006-12-27 09:07:12

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Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.


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#4 2006-12-27 14:44:46

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Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

I don’t know. Jesus could have a Martian birthday as well.  I wonder how many Martian years it is since the birth of Christ. Is it exactly half?

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#5 2006-12-28 11:34:56

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Given that the majority of people declare themselves as either Christian, Hindu, Muslim or other denomination it would seem likely that some of the colonists will also adhere to a faith. Therefore the main festivals and traditions of these faiths would also be transferred to Mars unless the secularists decide to purge religious belief from the ninth continent.


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#6 2006-12-29 08:55:42

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Therefore the main festivals and traditions of these faiths would also be transferred to Mars unless the secularists decide to purge religious belief from the ninth continent.

Whats the 8th continent?

Anyway, such a purge would not surprise me, its been tried on Earth, and not for the last time either, why would it not occur on Mars. Which is why when colonization begins in earnest, a government to preserve that right must be in place as well.


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#7 2006-12-29 17:25:14

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The Moon.


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#8 2006-12-29 21:36:26

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We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

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#9 2006-12-31 23:14:40

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We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

smile Spruce are a pretty hardy tree. They can grow near the water with salt spraying on them. They also handle cold temperatures and wind well. Not that there will be any wind in a dome.

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#10 2007-01-04 14:21:46

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Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

On the Zubrin Mars Calendar, Christmas would be on Taurus 50th, exactly 1 week before Martian New Years day as is tradition. On our calendar Christmas also comes 3 days after Winter Solstice, which would put it on Pisces 4th. The date of Christmas is rather arbitrary anyway, in fact it was timed to be around the pagan traditional winter solstice celebration, so it would seem that Pisces the 4th would be appropriate.

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#11 2007-01-04 14:26:27

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We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

if its an artificial Christmas tree you could plant it outside. If you plant one each year eventually you'd have a small forest of artificial christmas trees planted outside the dome. Pump some water out of the ground and through some snow making machines and you can cover the Martian surface under a blanket of white snow. You might want to lay down some astroturf under the snow, so when the snow sublimes a way, you have a nice green lawn that never needs mowing.

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#12 2007-01-05 21:05:18

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We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

if its an artificial Christmas tree you could plant it outside. If you plant one each year eventually you'd have a small forest of artificial christmas trees planted outside the dome. Pump some water out of the ground and through some snow making machines and you can cover the Martian surface under a blanket of white snow. You might want to lay down some astroturf under the snow, so when the snow sublimes a way, you have a nice green lawn that never needs mowing.

That might give a nice touch of home. Others might think it is wasting a precious resource watering an artificial tree. The question I have though is will snow making machines work on mars and if so how long will the snow last. If everything is artificial you could use asbestos like in the wizard of OZ. Of course that would carry certain health risks.

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#13 2007-01-21 06:10:38

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There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.


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did China build a great Wall in a day ?' ( Y L R newmars forum member )

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#14 2007-01-21 08:58:10

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There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

If you want to convert to Islam go right ahead. I guess the giving of presents has no appeal to you over the prospect of blowing yourself up. The Chinese Year is based on the Lunar Calandar, since the Moon does not orbit Mars, I see no sense in using it. Mars needs its own calandar, not one based on Earth's Moon, which isn't even good for the Earth, its a simple matter of the lunar month not dividing evenly into one terrestrial year. I prefer a calendar where the seasons stay in one place.

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#15 2007-01-21 19:26:18

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There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

If you want to convert to Islam go right ahead. I guess the giving of presents has no appeal to you over the prospect of blowing yourself up. The Chinese Year is based on the Lunar Calandar, since the Moon does not orbit Mars, I see no sense in using it. Mars needs its own calandar, not one based on Earth's Moon, which isn't even good for the Earth, its a simple matter of the lunar month not dividing evenly into one terrestrial year. I prefer a calendar where the seasons stay in one place.

Maybe they should base the Calendar on a Martian moon.

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#16 2007-01-21 19:35:47

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There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

Interesting. That is an odd bit of history I didn't know:
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/alsaud.htm

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#17 2007-01-30 15:49:26

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Re: Christmas on Mars

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

Interesting. That is an odd bit of history I didn't know:
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/alsaud.htm

I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.

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#18 2007-01-31 00:15:55

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I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.

You seem to forget about the dark ages.

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#19 2007-01-31 09:33:53

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I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.

You seem to forget about the dark ages.

Yes, that has alot to do with religion taking over political power, like in the Middle East today.

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#20 2008-02-02 13:59:00

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#21 2021-09-03 08:01:08

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Re: Christmas on Mars

China’s Concept for a Martian Helicopter Seems Awfully Familiar
https://gizmodo.com/china-s-concept-for … 1847608907
Humanity’s Exploration of Mars Is Continuing Right Along
https://larouchepub.com/pr/2021/20210902_mars.html
NASA welcomes new Russian commitment to space station
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/0 … 630602162/

There was a Billy Joel song, it covered the Coldwar, the assassinations, the scandals, the Rock and Roller Cola wars and even talked of Stranger in a Strange Land,  Heinlein’s 1961 novel Stranger in a Strange Land, a human raised on Mars faces while trying to relate to customs on Earth. Part of the 1960s counterculture, the book won the Hugo Award for best novel in 1962.


So here's a question - did the Soviet mark Christmas in Space? I guess not since they were mostly influenced by Communists, Bolsevik movement and Atheist though and even if they were Christian they had a different Eastern Church. Theer was Christian religion in the Sobveit Union but it also clashed with problematic social relations, the Communist rulers and the need for control of society. Christmas was largely erased from the calendar during much of the 20th century under the Bolsheviks' anti-religious policies, it has made a comeback after the USSR alongside other ideas like Putin worship, Patriotism and Nationalism, however even in the new modern Russia it is possible Christianity might not be the official holiday, some people have tried take it to the courts and say it is contrary to the Constitution of Russia, according to which "no religion can be established as state and obligatory".

If the first city is not America's then what other people can land, some say the Private sector, others say Chinese or some other group or nation.

China develops prototype miniature helicopter for Mars missions
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nas … 00216.html
NASA Is Recruiting People For A Mars-Simulation To Understand The Physical, Mental And Operational Challenges
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saibala/20 … -missions/
Calling All Wannabe Astronauts: NASA Wants You to Pretend to Live on Mars
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nas … 00216.html
China releases new images from Zhurong rover to mark 100 days on Mars
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/0 … 630325559/


Maybe it could possibly a date on a foreign calendar a celebration from an alien world. It is possible Mars will have lots of Christians who celebrate it just as America does on that very same date but its also possible something else might happen. Do you think colonials who arrived in the New America's and got stuck and troubled in foreign lands, the Pilgrims missing or kidnapped, they lost their clocks and watch, do you think these people were always able to mark the date of official dates of Christmas? How do people bring their customs to new foreign lands and practice these customs, how is religion practiced and events marked if you sometimes travel and survive under hardships, without a watch. Would you mark Christmas if were on a misson of sorts with a Dennis Rodman to make friend with some Kim guy in North Korea, can you do it in the South??? Alien culture and communication break down even in remote areas of South Korean with shingyo shamanism could you always buy that Christmas Turkey and tell kids about Santa Claus the bags of toys the red colors and coca cola adverts, or areas of Uzbeck, Iran and Turkmenistan, or remote parts of Shinto Japan, the cold Eskimo Inuit and Siberian lands, the regions of Hinduism in sub continent India, Buddhist areas of China. Are there still place here on Earth that do not really mark America's or European celebration of Christmas, even among the Christians from the East Rome Byzantine influence the Orthodox Christians in central and eastern Europe and other parts of the world celebrate Christmas on January 7.

Would Mars develop its own versions of other religions, its own mystic relgion type Community, new ancient alien ufo age space religions with new age public holidays on a new planet??
but it wasn't just Russian Commies who banned Christmas, after a while the Soveits and Communists woul;d argue for Christmas, they
declared that Christmas customs ought to be brought back, it keeps kids more upbeat and boosts moral, bing it back for the enjoyment and benefit of children. In the United States of America the day became a Federal holiday in 1870 under President Ulysses S. Grant in an attempt to unite north and south after civil war. However Christmas celebrations were not always celebratins in the new Americas, they were sometimes seen as sinful pagan and taboo, the new world of New England the Christmas fests and mass were illegal during parts of the 17th century, and were culturally taboo or rare in former Puritan colonies from foundation until the mid-18th century. The new world Puritan community found no scriptural justification for celebrating Christmas, and associated such celebrations with paganism and idolatry, Puritans were still not sure about resting on Saturday with Saturnism or Sunday for the Sun or Friday with Venus and Freyja or like the jihadi muslim islamists muslims banging their head on the floor and sticking their ass up in the air, but  the Puritan they had this idea Christmas was 'impure' they hated the idea of Christmas and heaped contempt on Christmas day, calling it 'Foolstide' and suppressing any attempts to celebrate it...can you imagine such a time to be true?


A very interesting calender thread with constant updates
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2760&p=46
'a martian calender...'

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