Christmas on Mars

cIclops · 2006-12-25 05:50:23

Just a few idle thoughts about Martian Christmas. Santa would be happy with the Polar regions but he would need to check his Martian calendar each year to get the right sol.

Happy Christmas everyone!

John Creighton · 2006-12-25 13:44:43

I wonder. Would the martians only get a Christmass once every two earth years or would they have a Christmass twice per martian year.

Commodore · 2006-12-27 09:07:12

Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

John Creighton · 2006-12-27 14:44:46

Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

I don’t know. Jesus could have a Martian birthday as well. I wonder how many Martian years it is since the birth of Christ. Is it exactly half?

cIclops · 2006-12-28 11:34:56

Given that the majority of people declare themselves as either Christian, Hindu, Muslim or other denomination it would seem likely that some of the colonists will also adhere to a faith. Therefore the main festivals and traditions of these faiths would also be transferred to Mars unless the secularists decide to purge religious belief from the ninth continent.

Commodore · 2006-12-29 08:55:42

Therefore the main festivals and traditions of these faiths would also be transferred to Mars unless the secularists decide to purge religious belief from the ninth continent.

Whats the 8th continent?

Anyway, such a purge would not surprise me, its been tried on Earth, and not for the last time either, why would it not occur on Mars. Which is why when colonization begins in earnest, a government to preserve that right must be in place as well.

cIclops · 2006-12-29 17:25:14

The Moon.

SpaceNut · 2006-12-29 21:36:26

We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

John Creighton · 2006-12-31 23:14:40

We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

Spruce are a pretty hardy tree. They can grow near the water with salt spraying on them. They also handle cold temperatures and wind well. Not that there will be any wind in a dome.

Tom Kalbfus · 2007-01-04 14:21:46

Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

On the Zubrin Mars Calendar, Christmas would be on Taurus 50th, exactly 1 week before Martian New Years day as is tradition. On our calendar Christmas also comes 3 days after Winter Solstice, which would put it on Pisces 4th. The date of Christmas is rather arbitrary anyway, in fact it was timed to be around the pagan traditional winter solstice celebration, so it would seem that Pisces the 4th would be appropriate.

Tom Kalbfus · 2007-01-04 14:26:27

We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...

if its an artificial Christmas tree you could plant it outside. If you plant one each year eventually you'd have a small forest of artificial christmas trees planted outside the dome. Pump some water out of the ground and through some snow making machines and you can cover the Martian surface under a blanket of white snow. You might want to lay down some astroturf under the snow, so when the snow sublimes a way, you have a nice green lawn that never needs mowing.

John Creighton · 2007-01-05 21:05:18

We are going to have a hell of a time getting a Christmas tree there let alone keeping it alive to see the day. Better bring the artificial one...
if its an artificial Christmas tree you could plant it outside. If you plant one each year eventually you'd have a small forest of artificial christmas trees planted outside the dome. Pump some water out of the ground and through some snow making machines and you can cover the Martian surface under a blanket of white snow. You might want to lay down some astroturf under the snow, so when the snow sublimes a way, you have a nice green lawn that never needs mowing.

That might give a nice touch of home. Others might think it is wasting a precious resource watering an artificial tree. The question I have though is will snow making machines work on mars and if so how long will the snow last. If everything is artificial you could use asbestos like in the wizard of OZ. Of course that would carry certain health risks.

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2007-01-21 06:10:38

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud

I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

Tom Kalbfus · 2007-01-21 08:58:10

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud
I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

If you want to convert to Islam go right ahead. I guess the giving of presents has no appeal to you over the prospect of blowing yourself up. The Chinese Year is based on the Lunar Calandar, since the Moon does not orbit Mars, I see no sense in using it. Mars needs its own calandar, not one based on Earth's Moon, which isn't even good for the Earth, its a simple matter of the lunar month not dividing evenly into one terrestrial year. I prefer a calendar where the seasons stay in one place.

John Creighton · 2007-01-21 19:26:18

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud
I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.
If you want to convert to Islam go right ahead. I guess the giving of presents has no appeal to you over the prospect of blowing yourself up. The Chinese Year is based on the Lunar Calandar, since the Moon does not orbit Mars, I see no sense in using it. Mars needs its own calandar, not one based on Earth's Moon, which isn't even good for the Earth, its a simple matter of the lunar month not dividing evenly into one terrestrial year. I prefer a calendar where the seasons stay in one place.

Maybe they should base the Calendar on a Martian moon.

John Creighton · 2007-01-21 19:35:47

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud
I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.

Interesting. That is an odd bit of history I didn't know:
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/alsaud.htm

Tom Kalbfus · 2007-01-30 15:49:26

There will be no big Chirstmas celebration, Christianity is dying out in the West for Capitalist Santa Claus, radical Islamics are growing and seem to be keen on promoting their religions and celebrations but their society are going backwards into the darkages
If it wasn't for Ronnie Raygun trying to upstage the Soviets, yeah the Russians got the first man, first space walk, first woman
but Ronnie beat them with his Royal Muslim in space
Sultan Abdelaziz AlSaud
I don't think Christian celebrations will be big on Mars
instead the new Mars Calendar will be adapted for the Chinese New Year.
Interesting. That is an odd bit of history I didn't know:
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/alsaud.htm

I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.

John Creighton · 2007-01-31 00:15:55

I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.

You seem to forget about the dark ages.

Tom Kalbfus · 2007-01-31 09:33:53

I wonder what Yang considers Christianity anyway? If you compare the two religions, Christianity seems more successful. There are two billion Muslims, most of whom live in the Eastern Hemisphere or what used to be referred to as "the Old World", The "New World" in which we live is the Christian Hemisphere. The New World is much more peaceful when compared with the Old World, which is troubled by Islam.
You seem to forget about the dark ages.

Yes, that has alot to do with religion taking over political power, like in the Middle East today.

JoshNH4H · 2008-02-02 13:59:00

for the4 calendar debate, http://www.newmars.com/wiki/index.php/Weitian_Calendar

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-09-03 08:01:08

China’s Concept for a Martian Helicopter Seems Awfully Familiar
https://gizmodo.com/china-s-concept-for … 1847608907
Humanity’s Exploration of Mars Is Continuing Right Along
https://larouchepub.com/pr/2021/20210902_mars.html
NASA welcomes new Russian commitment to space station
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/0 … 630602162/

There was a Billy Joel song, it covered the Coldwar, the assassinations, the scandals, the Rock and Roller Cola wars and even talked of Stranger in a Strange Land, Heinlein’s 1961 novel Stranger in a Strange Land, a human raised on Mars faces while trying to relate to customs on Earth. Part of the 1960s counterculture, the book won the Hugo Award for best novel in 1962.

So here's a question - did the Soviet mark Christmas in Space? I guess not since they were mostly influenced by Communists, Bolsevik movement and Atheist though and even if they were Christian they had a different Eastern Church. Theer was Christian religion in the Sobveit Union but it also clashed with problematic social relations, the Communist rulers and the need for control of society. Christmas was largely erased from the calendar during much of the 20th century under the Bolsheviks' anti-religious policies, it has made a comeback after the USSR alongside other ideas like Putin worship, Patriotism and Nationalism, however even in the new modern Russia it is possible Christianity might not be the official holiday, some people have tried take it to the courts and say it is contrary to the Constitution of Russia, according to which "no religion can be established as state and obligatory".

If the first city is not America's then what other people can land, some say the Private sector, others say Chinese or some other group or nation.

China develops prototype miniature helicopter for Mars missions
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nas … 00216.html
NASA Is Recruiting People For A Mars-Simulation To Understand The Physical, Mental And Operational Challenges
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saibala/20 … -missions/
Calling All Wannabe Astronauts: NASA Wants You to Pretend to Live on Mars
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nas … 00216.html
China releases new images from Zhurong rover to mark 100 days on Mars
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/0 … 630325559/

Maybe it could possibly a date on a foreign calendar a celebration from an alien world. It is possible Mars will have lots of Christians who celebrate it just as America does on that very same date but its also possible something else might happen. Do you think colonials who arrived in the New America's and got stuck and troubled in foreign lands, the Pilgrims missing or kidnapped, they lost their clocks and watch, do you think these people were always able to mark the date of official dates of Christmas? How do people bring their customs to new foreign lands and practice these customs, how is religion practiced and events marked if you sometimes travel and survive under hardships, without a watch. Would you mark Christmas if were on a misson of sorts with a Dennis Rodman to make friend with some Kim guy in North Korea, can you do it in the South??? Alien culture and communication break down even in remote areas of South Korean with shingyo shamanism could you always buy that Christmas Turkey and tell kids about Santa Claus the bags of toys the red colors and coca cola adverts, or areas of Uzbeck, Iran and Turkmenistan, or remote parts of Shinto Japan, the cold Eskimo Inuit and Siberian lands, the regions of Hinduism in sub continent India, Buddhist areas of China. Are there still place here on Earth that do not really mark America's or European celebration of Christmas, even among the Christians from the East Rome Byzantine influence the Orthodox Christians in central and eastern Europe and other parts of the world celebrate Christmas on January 7.

Would Mars develop its own versions of other religions, its own mystic relgion type Community, new ancient alien ufo age space religions with new age public holidays on a new planet??
but it wasn't just Russian Commies who banned Christmas, after a while the Soveits and Communists woul;d argue for Christmas, they
declared that Christmas customs ought to be brought back, it keeps kids more upbeat and boosts moral, bing it back for the enjoyment and benefit of children. In the United States of America the day became a Federal holiday in 1870 under President Ulysses S. Grant in an attempt to unite north and south after civil war. However Christmas celebrations were not always celebratins in the new Americas, they were sometimes seen as sinful pagan and taboo, the new world of New England the Christmas fests and mass were illegal during parts of the 17th century, and were culturally taboo or rare in former Puritan colonies from foundation until the mid-18th century. The new world Puritan community found no scriptural justification for celebrating Christmas, and associated such celebrations with paganism and idolatry, Puritans were still not sure about resting on Saturday with Saturnism or Sunday for the Sun or Friday with Venus and Freyja or like the jihadi muslim islamists muslims banging their head on the floor and sticking their ass up in the air, but the Puritan they had this idea Christmas was 'impure' they hated the idea of Christmas and heaped contempt on Christmas day, calling it 'Foolstide' and suppressing any attempts to celebrate it...can you imagine such a time to be true?

A very interesting calender thread with constant updates
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2760&p=46
'a martian calender...'

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-13 22:54:06

The woman who silenced the Religious reading on Apollo, I am catching up on this story on Madalyn Murray O'Hair an American atheist activist; a founder of the American Atheists. It seems the most famous Atheist O'Hair, her son Jon Garth Murray, and her granddaughter Robin Murray all came to a brutal and bloody end. An employee found a note on the locked door that read: “The Murray-O’Hair family has been called out of town on an emergency basis. We do not know how long we will be gone at the time of the writing of this memo. So who did it? One suspect Waters in 1965 served eight years in an Illinois prison on a murder conviction. During his time in prison, he met Danny Fry and Gary Paul Karr. Between 1993 and 1995, Waters worked as an office manager for Madalyn’s American Atheists organization. He was fired in the spring of 1995 when it was discovered that he stolen $54,400 from the organization.

They have done tv show episodes on the event.
'Disappeared-Investigation Discovery'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-wR8IoImqs
,
Vanity Fair Confidential
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2ow1YzdZA

Maybe if she was not 'Religious' she should have at least read into a deeper meaning from writings and history for example a phrase Coined by Shakespeare “Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.”
Although she would spend much of her life attacking Believers or people of Faith or Christians it seem in the end it was one of her Atheist degenerate friends that turned on her and killed her.

When O'Hair's home was entered, breakfast dishes were sitting on the table; her diabetes medication was on the kitchen counter, and her dogs had been left behind without a caregiver. In phone calls a few days later, the trio claimed that they were on "business" in San Antonio, Texas. A few days later, Jon ordered $600,000 worth of gold coins from a San Antonio jeweler but took delivery of only $500,000 worth of coins. Until September American Atheists employees received several phone calls from Robin and Jon, but neither would explain why they left or when they would return; while they said nothing was amiss, their voices sounded strained and disturbed. On October 2, 1995, a male body, with the head and hands missing, was found in a wooded area near the banks of the Trinity River in Dallas. With no face, fingerprints, clothing or ID, the man remained unidentified for three years. In June 1998, authorities received a tip from a San Antonio reporter, saying that a small time “con man” named Danny Fry might be linked to the disappearances of the O’Hairs and Murray. Authorities eventually found a possible connection between Fry and the unidentified body, and in January of 1999 DNA tests positively identified the body as belonging to Danny Fry. In December 1999, Gary Paul Karr was charged with kidnapping, extortion, and robbery in the disappearance of Madalyn Murray O’Hair and her two relatives. Authorities believe that Waters, along with his two accomplices Gary Paul Karr and Danny Fry, kidnapped Madalyn, Jon, and Robin and held them in San Antonio, Texas. In August 2000, Gary Paul Karr was sentenced to life in prison. He was acquitted of conspiring to kidnap in the disappearance case of Madalyn, Jon, and Robin because their bodies had yet to be located. In January 2001, Waters informed the police that the O'Hairs were buried on a Texas ranch, and he subsequently led them to the bodies. When the police excavated there, they discovered that the O'Hairs' bodies had been cut into dozens of pieces with a saw. The remains exhibited such extensive mutilation and successive decomposition that identification had to be made through dental records, by DNA testing and, in Madalyn O'Hair's case, by the serial number of her prosthetic hip. The head and hands of Danny Fry were also found at the site. The gold coins extorted from the O'Hairs were put in a storage locker rented by Waters' girlfriend. Waters had taken out $80,000 and partied with his girlfriend for a few days, but upon his return he discovered that the remaining $420,000 had been stolen. A group of thieves operating in that area had a master key to the type of lock that Waters used to secure the locker. In the course of their activities, they came across the locker, used the master key to open it, and found a suitcase full of gold coins. They eventually spent all but one, which the police recovered.

She served as "chief speechwriter" for pornography smut pusher Larry Flynt's 1984 presidential campaign. In the article "The Shoah: hope springs eternal" in the August 1989 issue of the American Atheist magazine, O'Hair claimed 'Although it is not generally reported, Auschwitz was simply, first, and foremost, a slave labor camp - and the labor provided was much needed by Farben, Krupp, et aI., for the war effort.' During an interview with Playboy in 1965, O'Hair described herself as a "militant feminist" and expressed her dissatisfaction with women's inequality in America. O'Hair founded an atheist radio program, in which she criticized religion and theism. She hosted a television show, American Atheist Forum, which was carried on more than 140 cable television systems.

Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin, a Presbyterian, performed a communion service for himself using a kit provided by his church. Aldrin had told flight director Chris Kraft of his plans and intended to broadcast the service back to Earth but opted not to at the request of Deke Slayton, due to the continuing controversy over Apollo 8's reading. Russian Orthodox Christmas was celebrated on the International Space Station, on January 2011. On Christmas Eve, 1968 astronauts Bill Anders, Jim Lovell, and Frank Borman read from the Book of Genesis as Apollo 8 orbited the Moon. A lawsuit by American Atheists founder Madalyn Murray O'Hair alleged that the observance amounted to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the First Amendment.

and what of the other Atheists and other Religions from other parts of the world
the Moongod al-Lah, the mohammedans of Ashura their self-flagellation and Ramadan

Salman Rushdie Remains Hospitalized; Suspect Pleads Not Guilty
https://www.voanews.com/a/salman-rushdi … 00283.html

'Off Ventilator, Talking'

An attorney for Hadi Matar entered the plea of not guilty on his behalf during an arraignment in western New York.

A judge ordered Matar held without bail after District Attorney Jason Schmidt told her Matar, 24, took steps to purposely put himself in position to harm Rushdie, getting an advance pass to the event where the author was speaking and arriving a day early bearing a fake ID.

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