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#76 2006-01-14 08:59:26

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

It's all a question of money and cred. The Russians used to have a lot of cred but years of near zero civil space budgets have decimated their capacity to do much other than build launchers. EUrope has the money but is reluctant to give it to ESA without more control of their independent organization. ESA wants a manned capability and so does EUrope, and Russia wants the money ... so a deal is possible, but there again EUropean engineers want control of the design process ... and so it goes on.


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#78 2006-03-22 07:48:00

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

he head of the European Space Agency (ESA) will come to Russia in April to discuss the agency's participation in a project to build a re-usable space craft, the head of Russia's space agency said Tuesday.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20060307/43984411.html
Anatoly Perminov said leading space agencies from around the globe discussed the issue of participation in the Clipper spacecraft project at a meeting in Florida on March 2.


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did China build a great Wall in a day ?' ( Y L R newmars forum member )

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#79 2006-03-23 15:43:13

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#80 2006-03-25 19:11:58

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#81 2006-03-29 17:18:00

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft


'first steps are not for cheap, think about it...
did China build a great Wall in a day ?' ( Y L R newmars forum member )

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#82 2006-03-29 17:57:41

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

It's all a question of money and cred. The Russians used to have a lot of cred but years of near zero civil space budgets have decimated their capacity to do much other than build launchers. EUrope has the money but is reluctant to give it to ESA without more control of their independent organization. ESA wants a manned capability and so does EUrope, and Russia wants the money ... so a deal is possible, but there again EUropean engineers want control of the design process ... and so it goes on.

good point, this whole thing could be going around in circles for a while

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#83 2006-08-31 22:43:06

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

and more here

Russia Plans To Launch First Flight To The Moon In 2011-2012
http://www.moondaily.com/

Russia plans to conduct its first manned flight around the Moon in 2011-2012, the president of a leading spacecraft company said Thursday.
"The Energia Rocket and Space Corporation plans to explore the Moon in three stages: a Soyuz spacecraft flight to the Moon, the construction of a permanent base on the Moon (from 2010 to 2025), and the industrial exploration of space around the Earth's satellite," Nikolai Sevastyanov said at the 5th Airspace Congress in the Russian capital.

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#84 2006-09-01 19:01:38

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

[i]Around[i] the Moon? BFD


"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw

The glass is at 50% of capacity

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#85 2006-09-02 01:18:34

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

Around the Moon? BFD

Yes and no BFD GCNR...

We sailed around the Moon with Apollo back in the 1970s...



...and it hasn't been since the 1970s since anything manned has flown around the moon.

Clemintine, Lunar Proscpector, and Smart-1 are also the only probes that have visited directly to the Moon.  That's barely a handful of even unmanned craft.

Problem is we assume "hey we done it, we can do it again" when, as we are now we genuinely can't do it again!  Orion and Ares will take some time to develop, but until then the USA as far as manned spaceflight is concerned is just as limited to LEO as any other space-faring nation.

We can not let overconfidence blind us.  Apollo engineers are no longer avilable; they are either retired or pushing up daises.  The only actual piece of heiretage left from Apollo is the J2-X engine alone, otherwise just pay a visit to Houston and Kennedy and the only hardware are museum pieces rusting in the rain.  Apollo is as much in the history books as are the Colleseum and the Pyramids.

Given this dose of reality, Russia actually does stand a chance of launching something capable of orbiting Luna as well as a simple return-to-Earth-loop.  Landing might be another matter but even with their smaller budget they aren't slacking.  We just have to make sure NASA and the VSE doesn't.

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#86 2006-10-27 12:44:59

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That is assuming Europe builds them a hydrogen upper stage for R-7 and slits their Ariane 5 throats.

The Russians have used their pretrdollars to try to muscle in EADS. It might actually be cheaper to build Ariane M than to retool for a kero-based Ariane replacement in the Angara range with all the dependancy that will entail.

Indigenous HLLV as the cheaper option.

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#87 2006-10-27 15:55:15

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You're forgetting these are the makers of Energia and Buran - if their governement really wanted to get devoted to space they would be orbiting the moon without ESA's blessing and currently exploring options for a lunar lander.

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#88 2006-10-28 00:00:49

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Also the same engineers that built the ill-fated N1 in their last (subsiquently covered up) attempt to go to the moon.

I don't doubt that Russian engineering could indeed launch a new Apollo program.  But they are not apparently willing to pay the costs that would require.  Or maybe their economy cannot support it.  They could probably put a man around the moon with some effort, but and actualy landing is out of the question presently.

Another problem the face is that they lack the US's hard one expertise in all cryogenic engines.  The Russians are VERY good with K/LOX engines, but H/LOX is another story.


He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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#89 2006-12-20 21:12:04

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#90 2016-05-09 21:23:55

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

bump
somethings to fix....

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#91 2017-12-04 20:50:40

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

bump artifacts

Found only the first page needed fixing....

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#92 2017-12-08 08:28:15

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

If Russian want to build to six-man spacecraft that's very good idea. I will just suggest them if Russian build spacecraft part then valleydesign.com is best company who can build and provide high quality spacecraft part because they have many experiences and also he has been provide service to NASA.

Last edited by valleydesigncorp (2017-12-08 08:32:30)

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#93 2021-07-14 07:28:56

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Re: New Russian Spacecraft

A Nuke powered Space-Tug and a Nuclear Reactor?

Russian Space Agency proposes creation of a nuclear power plant for a future Russian Mars base
https://thefrontierpost.com/russian-spa … mars-base/
say the power plant can be delivered to the Red Planet using the Zeus

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