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#1 2022-08-22 10:14:01

tahanson43206
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Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut ....

Everything is in readiness for the launch of the Email Outreach Campaign for 1291 Candidates you have selected.

Today, I dove to the bottom of the file you provided, and I have a question:

Candidates 1261 through 1291 have all posted zero times.  I think they were all accounts created by spammers.

You are Senior Administrator, so your judgement rules.

Do you want me to write to these folks?

My inclination would be to ban them as spammers, and convert them to usable ID's.

The first candidate with one post is a humorist ... "Zubrin-For-President"

While I appreciate good humor when it shows up, I don't see a lot of upside potential for this candidate.

For that reason, I'm NOT planning to include this person in the campaign.

However, you ** are ** Senior Administrator, so if you want this person to receive a letter, please confirm.

The next candidate is "zooms" ....

The one post contains:

???  am trying to find info regarding the view of mars from earth in august 2005. i believe it will be a unique event in our lifetime but cannot find any details anywhere. help please.

Palomar sent a helpful reply, and we heard nothing further from zooms.

I don't see much point in attempting to reach out to this candidate.

As usual, you are welcome to overrule, if you want to.

I'm going to stop the analysis of the list for today.

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#2 2022-08-22 18:51:35

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

That must have been the first list as I reduced that and have the last number as 1263 but I do see those that had names with zero posts at the end of the list. I also saw that there are several known email endings which have been spammer account generators such as .RU and others. That we can further review. It would be good to send the list to the others to get their opinions as well on whom should be removed from it.

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#3 2022-08-22 19:16:44

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re #2

Thanks for taking a look at my opening report.

Pending further guidance, I will assume the names in the 1291 line file, from the bottom through Ms. Zoom can be dropped from consideration.

I'll pick up the review tomorrow with the next name in line.

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You mentioned inviting "others" to help with the review process.

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#4 2022-08-23 09:33:30

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

In line with the suggestion by SpaceNut, all NewMars forum members are invited to take part in deciding which of the 1000+ members we'd like to invite to return to active participation in the forum.

Today's candidate is: Zogwart
Registered: 2012-03-18
Last post: 2012-03-18 02:26:11
Last visit: 2012-03-18 02:26:13

Topic:  Mars Gravity Biosatellite » Where does this stand now? » 2012-03-18 02:26:11

I was wondering if any one had an update to any of the information given here.

That seems like a reasonable request (to me at least) ...

The topic itself seemed (again, to me at least) worth a review ....

I've decided to nominate Zogwart to be the first live test subject for SpaceNut's new email outreach initiative.

I'm not expecting much, because Zogwart didn't return, but 10 years has gone by and a lot can happen in a person's life.

Meanwhile, the gravity experiment is as remote as it ever was.

Update at 11:45 local time ....

The first of (hopefully many) email outreach pings is on it's way....

I had forgotten about the 60 second wait between sends ... I set up the run to send to the candidate first, then my test email, then to SpaceNut.

The whole operation takes (on the order of 5 minutes) .... The laptop would be asleep otherwise.

Update at 13:04 .... my copy of the email did not arrive.  For SpaceNut ... please update this topic if you received your copy, or if you didn't (for that matter)

Update at 16:33 local time ... I sent an email to my test account manually, and it arrived just fine.

The automated email did NOT arrive ... there is nothing in the log to indicate anything one way or the other.

FluxBB accepts an email send request and provides no feedback at all.

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#5 2022-08-24 06:27:22

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

In line with the suggestion by SpaceNut, all NewMars forum members are invited to take part in deciding which of the 1000+ members we'd like to invite to return to active participation in the forum.

Today's candidate is: Zardor
Registered: 2004-01-28 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2004-01-28 07:40:41

Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity 2 - Continued from original thread
This topic is marked closed.  Both Spirit and Opportunity are "retired" and their projects are closed.
Their ambitious adventures live on in the historical record, and some day they will be preserved in Museum Domes.

In the mean time, we have a record from their time:

I would think that a 15 watt drain is *very* serious.  I believe that the rover's solar panels are supposed to generate 750watt-hours per day (at the start of the mission. This will decrease over time due to dust of course)
Also, Sprit was generating less than that at the start if its mission, due to the atmosphere being more dusty. I don't know the figures for Opportunity, since Nasa prefers to give us pretty pictures instead of telemetery.
Anyway, if we assume that the 15watt thermostatically controlled heater is on half the time (12 hours, at night when it's coldest), thats a daily power requirment of 12*15, i.e 180watt-hours. That's 25% of the power budget, not allowing for charge/discharge losses in the batteries.
This will get much worse, as the solar illumination decreases, the panels get dusty, the batteries age, and average temperatures drop due to seasonal changes on Mars.
Still, 15watts seems quite large for a simple joint heater. Perhaps that figure is not accurate, or the units given are wrong (i.e. 15watt-hours instead of watts?)
Anyone got more information on this issue?

http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 703#p26703

Zardor will be queued up for an email today. 

Update at 11:07 local time ...

For SpaceNut ... today the test message arrived at the test account ... Please let me know if the test email reaches you.
It would be equally helpful to know if the message did ** not ** reach you.

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#6 2022-08-24 18:07:24

SpaceNut
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Posts: 26,733

Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

Sorry that I have not been able to be online as I was ill to the stomach with acid reflux and pain. Thank you for the continued efforts to get this started.
I found the list you are working from and started record keeping on it as you indicate an email has been sent.
I agree with the look and go if posts look like we should see if there is still interest in NewMars.
If no response, then we will secure the accounts at that point after a reasonable period of time.
I agree the zero-account post tally should be removed from the user list and converted.

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#7 2022-08-24 18:32:30

tahanson43206
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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re list of candidates .... Thanks for looking for the list you sent me to work from.

It will help for us to be working from the same list.

Per your decision, I will convert the 0 post Usernames, but that is a lower priority.

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Sorry to hear of the discomfort you've had to endure recently, and I hope things improve back to good health soon!

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#8 2022-08-25 07:14:32

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re Outreach campaign ...

Today's candidate is zandroid

Registered: 2017-06-03
Last post: 2017-06-03 13:06:14
Last visit: 2017-06-03 15:02:12

zandroid wrote:

theres one that travels from france very frequently that is well trusted. i cant imagine trump cares too much for antarctica, if we're being honest. on a small scale socialism works well in places like antarctica. if youre so concerned about oil spilling into the ocean, how come its ok to stick a hotel which will use fuels and generate harmful tourism (which isnt even allowed...)

This was a short topic created by Tom Kalbus ... I was surprised to see that GW Johnson contributed a post.

Mars_B4_Moon contributed a post to re-activate the topic after a long pause.  I think the topic is best left to drift back in time.

I'll send today's Outreach to zandroid.  The email subsystem seems to be unreliable, so I would give chances of the message reaching zandroid at 1%.

Update at 10:04 local time

That was quick ... the automation failed because the user had disabled form email.

I'm inclined to suggest we convert the account for use by someone else.

however, before doing that, I note that the email address is available to an Administrator.

It's your option, SpaceNut ... if you want to ping this person the email address looks reasonable.

The risk is that you would then be exposing your email account to an unknown recipient.

My recommendation is to recycle the account, but it's your call.

I suppose you ** could ** use a test email account to send a ping. 

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#9 2022-08-25 19:49:12

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

I made the change to allow form email but to still remain hidden.

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#10 2022-08-25 20:17:37

tahanson43206
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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re #9

OK ... thanks! I'll queue it up tomorrow.

The Pothole Scan is running right now.

Update the next day:

Thanks again for adjusting the email for zandroid.  The script appears to have succeeded.

I sent test emails to my test account and to SpaceNut.

As usual, FluxBB says it sent email but there is no confirmation, and frequently no email arrives.

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#11 2022-08-26 19:21:38

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

I received the emailer today at 8:26 am with the subject title starting with 20220826

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#12 2022-08-26 19:42:10

tahanson43206
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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re #11

Thanks for the confirmation !!! I'm settling into a routine ...

The candidate goes first, because the first cycle is a test cycle to be sure everything is working.  I then send a set of three emails:

#2 to my test account
#3 to SpaceNut
#4 to my test account

If both emails to my test account arrive, I figure the program was working properly, and there is a decent chance the email to the candidate went out.
Your verification is helpful as another confirmation.

We've got plenty of time for this campaign.

Tomorrow, I'll take a look at possibly running the TestID script for the Zero Post candidates you sent me.

The script hasn't been used for a long time, but in rereading it today, I think it should still work.

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I got a kick out of seeing Palomar's commentary on why she did not get a telescope as a kid, after Mars_B4_Moon brought that topic from 2004 back to life for a brief moment.  The topic was about pictures of planets, and that recent image of Jupiter from the Webb would be a good fit there.

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#13 2022-08-27 06:25:02

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

Today's candidate is Zachstar
Registered: 2005-11-23 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2006-06-22 23:21:33
Last visit: 2006-06-27 00:43:53

One post in Topic: Simulating Mars Direct - the Mars Direct Project for Orbiter

An email will be attempted later today.

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#14 2022-08-28 07:12:25

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

Today's candidate is: Zachoi

Registered: 2019-06-13
Last post: 2019-06-13 16:36:06
Last visit: 2019-06-21 13:50:13

Topic:  Unmanned probes » Mars Co2 or other compressed Gas Hopper rocket »

Zachoi wrote:

Hey guys, I know I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to contribute a bit of potentially helpful information.

The original idea posted by Louis sounds similar to NASA's Extreme Access Flyers project. I haven't found much recent information about it (I tried to reference an article from 2015 but apparently users are no longer allowed to post links), but I do know that Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (ERAU) in Daytona Beach, Florida is still working with NASA on the project. More specifically, the Engineering Physics Propulsion Lab (EPPL) has been designing systems for UAV propulsion on Mars using compressed CO2.


Also, kind of related, I was wondering if you guys had any advice for me. I am a graduate student at ERAU beginning my thesis designing an optimal control system for a Martian drone that uses both propellers and compressed CO2. However, after doing some initial research of my own (which is how I found this topic actually), I find myself trying to decide between two options for such a system:

1.)    Having a compressed air engine that the CO2 is fed into that can power the propellers in tandem with an electric motor and will recharge the batteries as the compressed air engine runs, just like a hybrid car works,
2.)    Simply having both propellers and cold gas thrusters that work together to produce thrust and attitude correction.

Do you have any thoughts on either system? The goal is to maximize flight time (or flight distance I suppose, but one would assume that the two are closely related).


Hope the information above helps!

I hope our outreach email reaches Zachoi .... If Zachoi was a graduate student in 2019, then an update on progress would be most interesting (to me for sure).

While the specific ambition, to create a flying vehicle for the Mars environment that would use compressed gas, seems (to me at least) on the speculative side, the spirit of inquiry, and learning by doing, may lead to practical systems for use on Mars.

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#15 2022-08-29 07:26:13

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

Today's candiate is Yucaliptous2

Registered: 2018-12-02
Last post: 2018-12-03 22:44:15
Last visit: 2018-12-03 22:44:18

The original post appears to have been spam.

However, kbd512 wrote a generous and helpful reply about epilepsy.

clark and kbd512 had a bit of back-and-forth about larger issues.

I have decided not to write to this person.

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#16 2022-08-29 07:31:52

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

The next candiate is: Yager

Registered: 2005-08-02 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2005-08-02 14:39:45
Last visit: 2005-08-02 14:29:48
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Account locked

OK ... the Admin note means someone took specific action

This post was from someone who comes across to me as a home schooler ... Several members ca 2005 responded, but the original poster never returned.

I have decided not to write to this person.

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#17 2022-08-29 07:35:49

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

The next candidate is WonderWoman ....

Registered: 2004-01-14 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2004-01-14 13:17:33
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00

There were six responses to a somewhat rambling opening post.

RobertDyck and other members from ca 2004 offered reasonable replies.

I have decided not to write to this person.

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#18 2022-08-29 07:45:07

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

The next candidate is wiolawa

Registered: 2003-07-17 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-07-17 17:16:03
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Account locked

Someone took action here ... there is probably a reason

After reviewing the topic, I agree with the Admin who locked the account

Three members ca 2004 picked up on the post.

I will NOT be inviting this person to return.

That's enough discouragement for one day.

Hopefully the candidates list will deliver more encouraging signals tomorrow.

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#19 2022-08-29 18:07:08

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

I received 2 more email mailers from the forum 20220827 & 20220828 respectively.

Also remember in the beginning we were still trying to solve what was the best way through the spammers and some of the bans were to just lock the accounts.

I will put in place locks and do unbans according to if you chose to email or not as you post them.

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#20 2022-08-29 18:33:39

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re #19

Thanks for noting today's Outreach report, and for confirmation the emails for the 27th and 28th reached you.

The program and FluxBB seem to have decided to work together, so if you receive an email it ** should ** mean the candidate received one as well.  What we have no way of knowing is whether those 20 year old accounts are still in use. 

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Mars_B4_Moon has been finding and showing all ** sorts ** of interesting links!

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#21 2022-08-30 07:01:43

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re Email Outreach campaign...

Ever hopeful, we consider candidate 1249: WilliamSop

Registered: 2017-11-08 (146.185.223.25)
Last post: 2017-11-08 09:42:25
Last visit: 2017-11-08 09:42:26
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Account locked

whois 146.185.223.25 gave Saint Petersburg, Russia
Domain Name is pinspb.ru

Well! I wonder what this person (?robot?) offered as a post?

First, let's get a little historical perspective on American health care. This is not intended to be an exhausted look into that history but it will give us an appreciation of how the health care system and our expectations for it developed. What drove costs higher and higher?

The actual post went on for a great length.

I have no way of knowing what was going on in the head(s) of the entity that submitted this post ... However, it caused NewMars members to consider the matter, and a total of 6 responses  occurred.

I deduce this was an exploratory problem by a Russian agent, to see what might happen on the NewMars forum.

This is most definitely NOT a username I will invite to return.

I ** would ** note that clark offered what I perceive to be a sensible policy, in post #6 of the topic.

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#22 2022-08-30 07:09:39

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re Email Outreach campaign....

Candidate #1248 is Widowworks

This account was banned and locked.

However, for the record:

Registered: 2003-09-18 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-09-18 15:55:01
Last visit: 2005-09-10 00:42:19

That last visit in 2005 is a surprise ....

Widowworks wrote:

Greetings everyone,
I was lucky to catch the Special that was on the Science Channel a couple of days ago. I found it very interesting. I was thinking about one of the problems the crew was having with condensation inside the helmets, and looked at the windows in my house. A couple pains of glass with some sort of gas between them should solve the condensation problem. Any one have any commnets?
BTW:This is my first post. Welcome me into the fold. cool
widow

The members followed up with five posts, all of which seemed on topic and even interesting ....

However, the candidate did not reply to anyone.

I will not invite this person to return.

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#23 2022-08-31 07:08:07

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

For SpaceNut re Email Outreach campaign ...

Today's candidate is wesley parsons

Registered: 2003-03-09 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-03-09 04:52:45
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Admin note Account locked

I looked at the post and am not favorably impressed.

The only reply was from Administrator Adrian, who reported the post was in the wrong topic.

This person will not receive an email invitation to return to the forum.

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#24 2022-08-31 07:14:38

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

The next candidate to review is #1246 webavant

Registered: 2003-03-10 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-03-10 06:19:49
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note Account locked

webavant wrote:

A caller on Coast to Coast AM tonight, March 10th, brought up the idea of contributing to a display in a museum for outreach in the Portland area...  If you are this guy, I think your name is Mark, please nospam@webavant.com. I'd like to contribute graphic design, video production, animation and/or manual labor as well. 

If anyone else out there is interested, please post anything topic related and be sure to let me know if I'm missing out on other related events. 

Also, there is an event in Eugene, Oregon at the Eugene Hilton Hotel on August 14-17, 2003.  Go to International Mars Society Conference 2003 on MarsSociety.org for information and registration.

Index» Youth Group / Educational Outreach» Eugene Seminar and Museum Display display - Discussed on Coast to Coast AM radio sho

Nearly 20 years have gone by, so this person may have gone on to other interests.

Never-the-less, I've decided this person is worth a ping.

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#25 2022-09-01 08:21:07

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Re: Email Outreach Campaign 2022-2023

The next candidate for review is Wayland321

I'm not optimistic because the email address is of a political nature .... we'll see...
Registered: 2003-03-26 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-03-26 20:30:48
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note Account Locked

Wayland321 wrote:

Does Mars have enough mass to exert enough of a gravitational force to keep the right kind of atmospheric gases at the right atmospheric pressure that would allow water to ever flow in a liquid state on the surface?  Gravity and mass are directly proportional. If the atmospheric gases are not the right kind then liquid water could not exist on the surface long enough to cause the errosion formed features seen.  If the atmospheric pressure is too low then liquid water could not exist at all.  Heavy gas molecules could form an atmosphere on a low gravity planet, but would the chemical interaction between the atmosphere and any water on the surface allow the water to exist long enough to cause the type of errosion seen on the surface of Mars?

People look at surface features on Mars and see that they resemble water formed surface features on Earth and thus claim that water had to have flowed on the surface of Mars sometime in its past to form those features there, too.  There is no place on the surface of Earth that has not be affected by water, so there is no way to know if those kind of surface features could be formed by anything else.  How do we know that billions of years of fine sand blowing over a surface could not form those features on Mars?  Couldn't the canyons seen on the Mars be formed by the planet expanding and contracting due to some other force? 

  It would be fantastic if surface water could exist on Mars.  I think that we should have had a manned mission to Mars a long time ago.  It would be nice, though, if someone could address those questions I have about Mars water.  smile

A number of members in the 2003 era responded.

Wayland321 did not respond, and one possibility is that the members answered all (their) questions.

I am not inspired to think this person has anything to offer 20 years later.

I'll pass.  SpaceNut, if you want to ping this persons, let me know.

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