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#126 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-14 03:10:32

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.

If the US stuck first are you sure they couldn’t take out those artillery pieces fast enough?

Okinawa, Seoul, Tokyo, Koyoto and Osan are all within range of dicatator Kim Jong il's Nodong-2 with a range of 2,000km (1250miles),
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which means the USA would perhaps have to sacrifice thousands of people ( or maybe millions ? ) in this region, the DPRK has has an extensive biological and chemical WMD program with tabun, never agents and such. The American decision not to attack North Korea is based on much more than the North Korean nuclear deterrent—North Korea’s million-man army and its conventional capability to destroy much of Seoul, along with the strong opposition of South Korea and China to an attack. Iran’s situation is different—its neighbors are far less interested in protecting it, and its ability to wreak havoc in Iraq and Israel, while substantial, is less imposing than North Korea’s ability to devastate Seoul. The South Korean capital is only a few miles from the DMZ, so the DPRK could simply shell Seoul in response to any US strike and wreak mayhem upon US troops in the region and wreak havoc upon the South Korean people.

#127 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-13 01:14:28

Iran blames U.S. for N. Korea nuke test
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/ … Korea.html

Blame America - why not, they blame the USA for just about everything. How long before Iran starting blowing up Nukes ?

Here's what those French think
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/ … index.html
Iran's nuclear activity is a cover for a clandestine weapons program, French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy has said in France's most direct attack on Tehran

#128 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-13 01:10:28

Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed.


You blame Clinton for the whole thing ? I regret to inform you Commodore that old 'Bill' hasn't been in charge for over half a decade, maybe your just a die-hard Republican-GOP fan no matter what happens.


Here's the timeline for those of you who gave a damn

PRESIDENT REAGANMid-1980s: First signs of North Korea nuclear program detected by US intelligence.
1986: North Korea produces plutonium in reactor.

PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH1991: US begins talks with North Korea to end to nuclear program.
1992: North Korea has separated an estimated 0-10kg of weapons-grade plutonium, enough for 1 to 2 bombs.

PRESIDENT CLINTON1993: North Korea announces it will leave nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; US prepares to attack nuclear sites.
1994: Clinton Administration reaches Agreed Framework, North Korea freezes nuclear production for the next eight years.
August 1998: North Korea tests medium-range Taepodong-1 missile.
December 1998: North Korea warns they will test another missile, but pressure from US dissuades them.
September 1999: Pyongyang agrees to long-range missile moratorium.
October 2000: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is highest ranking US official to ever meet with Kim Jong Il.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSHMarch 6, 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell says the administration will "pick up where President Clinton left off."
March 7, 2001: President Bush undercuts Powell, declares negotiations will take on a different tone.
January 2002: Bush labels North Korea a member of the "Axis of Evil."
March 2003: United States invades Iraq.
April 2003: North Korea withdraws from the Non-Proliferation Treaty; soon thereafter, they restart their reactor.
April 2005: North Korea appears to unload nuclear reactor with up to another 15 kg of weapons-grade plutonium.
September 19, 2005: In six-party talks North Korea agrees to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for incentives package.
September 19, 2005: US places sanctions on bank that provides financial support for North Korean Government Agencies; causes collapse of September 2005 agreement.
June 2006: North Korea is believed to have now produced enough plutonium for 4 to 13 nuclear bombs.
July 2006: North Korea tests missiles: one medium-range and five short-range. Medium-range Taepodong-2 fails.
October 3, 2006: Kim Jong Il announces North Korea plans to test nuclear weapons.
October 4, 2006: North Korea asserts that nuclear test is a measure to "bolstering its nuclear deterrent as a self-defense measure."
Mid-2008: If North Korea unloads another batch of fuel, it may have enough nuclear material for 8 to 17 nuclear bombs.

#129 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-11 06:59:31

What if North Korea just got together 5 kilotons of TNT and blew it up underground and then said it conducted a nuclear test?

No, I don't think its a fake because normal explosives wouldn't normally be that big a bomb, plus at Magnitude 4.2 or 4.3 at 0 km (~0 mile) depth sounds like a Nuke,  there was also suspicious activity picked up by satellites a few days before.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rec … ustqab.php
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/ … 8000c.html
And we have also known the DPRK have had a WMD program for many years. The Nuke may have been a small one but it compares to some of the test done by Pakistan or the US explosions at Nevada, and the scale of Kim's Nuke is still more than dozens of times greater than the most powerful conventional weapons. It sounds like they had a little problem with the detonator timer, because without "crushing" the core of the device in just the correct way, the inward-moving wave of the explosion will not yield the devastating impact intended ( 10-30 Kilotonnes ? ) the nuclear bomb needs to explode within one-millionth of a second after ignition . For dictator Kim Jong il to get the most out of his bomb he requires high-precision detonator technology and it sounds like the timer is a little off (hence the smaller explosion). Anyway he's still got plenty of material for more Nukes and he's got to get his ICBM working properly if he wants to hit Washington (only his shorter range 2,000 km Nodong-2 missiles work)

#130 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-10 09:16:10

John Howard has called for UN sanctions against North Korea, and has proposed trade and travel restrictions as world outrage grows at the Stalinist regime's announcement of a nuclear test today.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s … 21,00.html
Russia condemns N. Korean nuclear test, urges talks
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061009/54655232.html
Iran Blames U.S. for N. Korea Nuke Test
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ … 24412.html

#131 Re: Not So Free Chat » Has Multiculturalism Failed ? » 2006-10-08 01:55:49

Muslim cabbies refuse the blind and drinkers
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/ … 61,00.html
At least 20 dog-aided blind people have lodged discrimination complaints with the Victorian Taxi Directorate. Dozens more have voiced their anger.
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Muslim cab drivers in Minneapolis-St. Paul have issued a “jihad” against customers who carry alcohol. The cabbies refuse to transport anyone carrying alcoholic products.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/18897.html

#132 Re: Not So Free Chat » Chinese to Blind U.S. Satellites with Laser Attack » 2006-10-01 23:25:05

According to a report in the military affairs publication Defense News, China has conducted tests involving high-powered ground-based lasers, firing them at U.S. spy satellites flying over its territory.
web page
In the 2006 edition of its annual report to Congress, "Military Power of the People's Republic of China," the Pentagon notes that "Beijing continues to pursue an offensive anti-satellite system." At least one of the satellite attack systems, it says, "appears to be a ground-based laser designed to damage or blind imaging satellites."

#133 Re: Human missions » How much the return to the Moon and Mars-trip costs ? » 2006-09-20 22:08:48

This business about "tripple-billing" the Delta-IV Heavy is all smoke and no flame, and why is it wrong for Boeing to do this? The first stage of the Delta Medium is essentially identical to all three cores of the big heavy version, only really with modifications to the firing sequence.

Initially, when reading about it, I thought it was extremely fishy myself, but it isn't.
Da Stick's safety assesment is based on something like this too, and nobody complains: every STS launch is 2SRB launches, and they are counted separately, so 'double billing' here too, but it makes sense. The detail that they are launched in tandem, attached to a big tank is just that: a detail. There *are* two launches of *one* design.

Same for the Delta, the detail they're launched, attached to each other is only a detail. I'd even say it's much harder to do it that way than if they were to do it separatlely, because all three of them have to be fueled, tested, checked-out etc. at the same time.

Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case lol

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see how good the predictions for the Stick's safety assesment were once it gets moving in 2015

#134 Re: Human missions » Mysterious object keeps NASA's Shuttle crew in Orbit » 2006-09-19 11:49:07

NASA officials want to make sure it's not a piece of the spacecraft, something that might in some way endanger the crew and ship on re-entry.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2463192
No one knows what it is for certain, though some reports allege that the object may have come from the craft's cargo bay. The mysterious, gray round object is orbiting near Atlantis at an altitude of 187 nautical miles.


Shuttle program manager Wayne Hale said something "apparently shook loose" during the test.
http://www.wesh.com/news/9883666/detail.html
He said the shuttle vibrates and shakes pretty good during the pre-landing tests.

#135 Re: Interplanetary transportation » A new lightweight Vega launcher for Europe » 2006-09-16 15:10:02

The Vega will small payloads like the smaller Delta-2, Kosmos, Japanese M5 and early Atlas have done. This new rocket will be designed to launch small payloads - perhaps 500 to 1,900 kg satellites for scientific study in space and launch Earth observation missions.  It is not unheard of to use such a small rocket for planetary missions - some of Boeing's small rockets have done this like the launch of the Pathfinder-Sojourner mission.


On 14 September 2006 a ceremony took place at the facilities of Snecma Propulsion Solide (SPS) in Bordeaux, France, to mark the occasion of the delivery of the first nozzle for the P80 solid rocket motor. The P80 is the first stage of the Vega small launcher.
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMHV38LURE_index_0.html
The P80 nozzle delivery is a key milestone for the Vega programme. It is the result of several years of intensive development activities, during which Snecma Propulsion Solide performed the detailed definition of the various components of the nozzle, and validated new manufacturing processes. They achieved a major step forward in this area of technology aimed at reducing costs. This is a major event for Vega but it is also a precursor to future updates in the design of Ariane 5 boosters.



Italy is the leading contributor to the Vega programme with 65%, other participants being France (12.43%), Belgium (5.63%), Spain (5%), The Netherlands (3.5%), Switzerland (1.34%) and Sweden (0.8%). Belgium, France, Italy and The Netherlands also contribute to the P80 programme.

#136 Re: Human missions » Japan Eyes Future Manned Moon Base, Space Shuttle » 2006-09-14 14:14:22

Japan can hardly get their H-2A rocket to fly reliably

With what rocket ? I've never seen the Japanese build an Energia or Saturn V launch vehicle

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf14-1.html

#137 Re: Life support systems » Type of nuclear power plant is needed by Mars astronauts ? » 2006-09-10 18:25:19

I'm not talking about Nuke Powered Rockets like Orion (watch out for crazy Wayne) or a GCNR rocket I'm talking about getting electricity and heat for people on Mars and talking about Nuclear Powered mining colonies on Moon/Mars. For power on Mars, it unlikely that wind is going to do much and Solar energy may not provide enough. So the first people on Mars may be getting their energy from device in which nuclear chain reactions are initiated, controlled, and sustained at a steady rate. So no talk about 'Fusion-reactors' or such stuff because they only exist in science fiction. Would a PWR or fission fragment reactor work best on a Lunar site or Mars base ?

#138 Re: Human missions » Is the 'VSE' getting dimmer ? » 2006-09-08 14:48:30

As a critical component of any move to mars is a big ship (200m long) that is nuclear propulsion capable, unmanned because of its 10G capacity although it would have onboard manable habitat for technicians during repair and maintenance cycles, with a cargo capacity of 50,000 ton limit in a single standard module size.

The problem then becomes the ability to orbit a container of 50 metres length, 16 meter radius with an upper mass of 50,000 ton.

Unfortunately a vehicle with a two hundred year lifespan will carry that 1 million-billion dollar price tag.


A drifting, blurring, and dimming Vision
by Eric R. Hedman
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/690/1
The Space Frontier Foundation published a white paper last month titled “Unaffordable and Unsustainable? Signs of Failure in NASA’s Earth-to-orbit Transportation Strategy”. To say it is critical of NASA’s VSE is an understatement. When I first heard about the paper, I though it was just another case of an organization putting forth a self-serving article. Then I read the paper and realized that they do have a point. While I don’t fully agree with what the Foundation recommends should be done, I do think that they bring up several valid points about the direction NASA is going. It has been reinforced by the GAO report that is also raising serious questions.

#139 Re: Human missions » Ares and Ares » 2006-09-06 12:16:06

In my recent book, 'The 13th Day of Christmas,' NASA and the Canadian Space Agency combine forces to go to Mars. One of the components is a Magnum.

I agree...it's time to quit with this Moon crap and aim a bit higher! roll

There was the idea to use the Moon as testbed for long term Mars missions

#140 Re: Human missions » More Chinese space tech stuff » 2006-09-06 12:14:24

China Works on New Space Launch Vehicles
http://www.newcssa.com/read.php?tid=27230
China will phase out the development of its space launch vehicles in three steps, said WU Yansheng, President of China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, at a forum named “Innovative Beijing”, co-sponsored by both social and natural scientists. According to WU, the three steps will be: 1) improving the existing non-returnable launch vehicles, in an effort to meet payload launch needs of both domestic and international clients; 2)accelerating the development of new generation toxicity and pollution free launch vehicles, and completing the upgrading of non-returnable launch vehicles; and 3) developing proprietary new space launch vehicles, in an attempt to meet China’s strategic needs for space activities, and enhancing China’s comprehensive strength in the area.

#141 Re: Human missions » Manned Spaceflight Plans for India » 2006-09-05 23:13:51

India is currently getting ready for its robotic Chandrayaan 1 probe to the Moon but India is at a bit of a crossroads in its national space development program, having to decide if it will invest more of its small budget on manned space flightTheir HQ is in Bangalore, the ISRO employs approximately 20,000 people. For manned flight hey've mostly been hitching a ride on foreign rockets most notably their Indo-Soviet manned space mission
I know some articles hinted at manned Indian space flights. Do you think they'll be able to put people on the Moon ?

#143 Re: Human missions » Ares and Ares » 2006-09-01 12:07:34

How bad can it be. People live today where the Hiroshima bomb was dropped. The oceans are a heck of a lot bigger then Japan.

The Hiroshima bomb was very weak by today's standards, but it still managed to kill anywhere between 110,000-210,000 men, women and Japanese children depending on whose accounts you are reading and if you take the radiation sickness and birth defects into consideration.
Most of Hiroshima was totally destroyed, an entrie city leveled and the people who survived there sometimes still live as atomic outcasts in Japan, also know as  'Hiba-kusha' outcasts.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Japan/Victim2.jpg
Today mankind has been building weapons Thousands of Times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb,  nuclear bombs which are tens of megaton like the Tsar bomb or other designs which were hundreds of megatons would be 7,100 times the 15 kiloton bomb detonated at Hiroshima.

#144 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Soyuz:  Fly Me to the Moon » 2006-08-31 22:43:46

With soft currencies like the rouble, fixing a price in dollars seems risky.

Don't you mean, fixing a price in anything except dollars, euros, pounds or yens is risky?

Russian company sets sights on the moon
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?S … 1147-9711r

#145 Re: Human missions » New Russian Spacecraft » 2006-08-31 22:43:06

and more here

Russia Plans To Launch First Flight To The Moon In 2011-2012
http://www.moondaily.com/

Russia plans to conduct its first manned flight around the Moon in 2011-2012, the president of a leading spacecraft company said Thursday.
"The Energia Rocket and Space Corporation plans to explore the Moon in three stages: a Soyuz spacecraft flight to the Moon, the construction of a permanent base on the Moon (from 2010 to 2025), and the industrial exploration of space around the Earth's satellite," Nikolai Sevastyanov said at the 5th Airspace Congress in the Russian capital.

#146 Re: Human missions » ISS - Beware the Bear » 2006-08-26 11:44:13

The Russians dominated LEO, but they've never got folks on the Moon or landed much robotic stuff on Mars that didn't fail after a few seconds
and now they've little money left

Still they have done some great stuff and a making a little comeback, I hope they get to fly the Phobos grunt mission

#147 Re: Human missions » Can China go to Mars ? Dr. Zubrin will talk in August 06 » 2006-08-06 10:22:27

China can not go to Mars

Not soon anyway  wink

China announces plans to expand its ambitious space exploration program to Mars. The official Xinhua news agency says Beijing intends to launch its first lunar probe next year.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004296759
The deputy head of China's space program said in June the country would place a man on the moon by 2024. Xinhua says in the next five years, "China will on the basis of its Moon probes actively plan deep space exploration, focusing on lunar and Mars exploration."

#149 Re: Interplanetary transportation » China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year » 2006-08-02 16:41:25

China's space exploration plans include not only missions to the moon but also Mars

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/ … pace.reut/

China will also seek international cooperation for its deep space plans, it quoted Sun Laiyan, head of the China National Space Administration, as saying.

#150 Re: Human missions » Is the 'VSE' getting dimmer ? » 2006-07-19 15:53:08

VSE already $10 billion over budget
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2006/ … limbi.html
As to what it's all going to cost, our estimates are about--that it will cost for the first human lunar return, it will cost about 55 percent measured in constant dollars of what Apollo cost spread out over 13 years. Apollo was done in eight years. So, spreading it out over 13 years, it will cost about 55 percent of what Apollo cost, a specific number in today's dollars, about $104 billion for the first human lunar return along the lines of the architecture you saw today."
VSE Costs Climbing?

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