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I love to make comparison images for scaling.
This beautiful 3D image of Africa's majestic Mount Kilimanjaro is roughly 5km from base to summit.
In comparison, the "mother" of all mountains though, is "sunken" about 300 meters below the surrounding (closed) canyon rim but the center Mesa is roughly 6km from base to top and is over two time the length of Kilimanjaro and three times as wide!
There's much evidence of life in this canyon, the place is chocked full of stunning artwork.
The trick is, learning to see it.
The Mensa - Hebes Chasma
I hope this is ok to post here re: true color of Mars?
If not, Admin please move to a better location, thanks.
Every now and then, I like to pop the true color on some of the false color images provided by rover cams.
In the above image, take a close look at the very top outcropping. Just below, along the sand bank, there's some unusual rock forms.
I think I'm not making myself clear.
Your image below is a color image. The raw images on the JPL multimedia page are grey scale. Great, I can go there and spend much time in trying to "match up" your post image but please, it would be so easy if you could just paste the URL of the color image you are focusing on. Am I not making myself clear?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x … G64OWg.jpg
Thanks again
MalOk, l get that, and some of the images are grey scale, but l only look at the color ones, (well the orange/gray ones) and pressing shift/control B removes that crap, and shows the true color images.
The admin also asked that some time ago, but to be honest l don't have the resources to put the url onto every image, (l download a few hundred and then go through them when l can, so adding a link would slow me down even more, (l am falling behind as is, up to 571 Sols out of 2000+).
And l literally use a magnifying glass on every images, and sure l could miss something, but it is unlikely.
I would say that the odd hundred viewers that visit here daily want to see something that will knock their socks off, (me included).
Thank you.
Ok, thanks for that. Understand, takes a bunch of time checking into images, been there.
Cheers.
M-Albion-3D wrote:Can I get a "page source link" to where these images above are located?
What are these numbers, are they a page code?
0571ML0023120340204887E01_D
0571ML0023120350204888E01_DIn future, could you please indicate the image location so we others can analyse the data too?
Thanks,
MalSure...
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/
I go through the mast cam ones, bottom right hand side.
Currently up to Sol 571.
So after reaching Sol 571, (drop down list) then run through the images til the designation matches.
I only look at the full images ones, since the movie, letterbox format is the same and usually has less detail.
Best to bookmark that if you want to fossic about.
I think I'm not making myself clear.
Your image below is a color image. The raw images on the JPL multimedia page are grey scale. Great, I can go there and spend much time in trying to "match up" your post image but please, it would be so easy if you could just paste the URL of the color image you are focusing on. Am I not making myself clear?
Thanks again
Mal
I have really enjoyed reading the posts here going back to 2004 and must say, by and large, the posts have been written by some very intellectual minds especially in the field of physics and planetary biology - very informative indeed.
Sadly so it seems, many members are no longer around, not sure why that is but I did notice, the forum "intelligent alien life" has been locked not allowing any further new threads to be created. I'm baffled why that is and which has prompted me to ask a couple of questions.
While the science community can address, ponder and openly discuss the possibility of microbial life in our solar system, any real and meaningful discussion as to whether intelligent alien life really does exist either now or in the past seems to be looked upon as a "non starter" or "off limits"?
When in reality, nothing in my mind, could be more elucidative to the field of science. Does anything come close?
So why then are we so against it?
Is it just ridicule, or perhaps fear of the unknown, in the event of the sum total of our consciousness be suddenly flooded with it's overpowering, mind stunning reality?
Or could it be; as there is 'no real evidence', it is therefore unworthy of contemplation in a scientific forum?
Honestly, I don't wish to debate the question as each of us have a right on this sensitive subject and I respect that of course, but still, opinions would be great to hear.
Thanks,
Mal
Can I get a "page source link" to where these images above are located?
What are these numbers, are they a page code?
0571ML0023120340204887E01_D
0571ML0023120350204888E01_D
In future, could you please indicate the image location so we others can analyse the data too?
Thanks,
Mal
Hi Tmcom,
May I ask which software program you're using for imaging?
https://i.imgur.com/pmtXRAX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qb7zrOR.pngI am becoming more and more convinced that Mars is wet, (the water wearing down the rock, is a slam dunk).
https://i.imgur.com/M5yYyjJ.png
I would love to say that the martians are having a burnoff, in this reflective rock, but it is more likely distant dust devils.
0571ML0023120300204883E01_D
0571ML0023120280204881E01_D
0571ML0023120310204884E01_D
I'm inclined to agree with you.
In the images taken by Opportunity in September 2006 from Cape Verde looking down the nearside slope, suggests a large pool of standing liquid with probable run off towards the left hand side.
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA09103
Looking closely at the admittedly low quality .tif image, the data point is unlikely the result of aeolian weather conditions for two reasons. 1. The transparency of the liquid surface and 2. the way the liquid "hugs" the "coastline" so to speak.
I have spent hundreds of hours deep in the western US Mojave desert in "all seasons" and know very well how water from various sources collects and "pools" in the sand and as the image shows further down the page, (also from Victoria Crater) one can see how the liquid has drained "through" the sand base.
Image from opposite Cape Verde:
Curiosity on Sol 1512 3D Anaglyph
Get your 3D glasses on and go roaming...awesome!!
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/ra … NAV_RIGHT_
If at all possible, could you provide a "source link" with your image postings?
Cheers,
Mal
M-Albion-3D wrote:I made up a couple of anaglyph's from the left and right cams for some additional analysis, they may help.
Thanks Mablion, but unfortunately it is probably just curiosity's tool edge arm, (ps l wanted it to be a man or hair, but it probably isn't).
Just have to be happy with martian algae, and roads, etc, lol.
PPS l am also too lazy to go and search for my 3D glasses.
Your welcome. Btw, I see quite a few definite examples of "beak" type bird glyph's on Mars, "where there's smoke there's fire"! So it could be a flying creature of sorts.
Looks like your'er a true researcher of surface anomalies. Seeing Mars in 3D will take you into another reality impossible in 2D. I produce all my own anaglyph's from the high def MRO images composed using "uncompressed .tif's" so there's no compression artifacts.
The MRO captures pixels at around 25cm per pixel and can resolve to 80cm - awesome!
If you wear glasses as I do, the flip-up's are the bomb and the price is right.
I made up a couple of anaglyph's from the left and right cams for some additional analysis, they may help.
I know this thread is from years ago, but I can't help but ask the same thing. The best part about this is if you can even connect it to a VR.
Video of Cydonia:
A few years back, I put this nice 3D video together using the older MGS image of the face and the more recent MRO image. Typically, I like to produce 3D video's with very slow movement so the viewer can get a sense of "being there".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam … sp=sharing
It's estimated that over one quarter of the US population believes that the world was created...just six thousand years ago, that's 1 in 4 Americans!
So much so, that a multi million dollar, 75,000 sq ft complex was built in Petersburg Kentucky, where on exhibit, you can see life sized wax models of young children riding on the backs of baby dinosaurs, having a good ole fun and playful time ....ahhh, lovely.
"PREPARE TO BELIEVE", they claim!!
And yet, if one was to propose, that an Alien intelligent life, possibly resides in our own solar system (other than God's earth), not only would you be looked at as a loony, but often responded to with antagonism and resentment.
So, with that in mind, what would possibly happen to American society, (plus a good portion of the world's religions), if it were made known; that at one time in the past, an alien culture from "elsewhere" appeared in this district of our galaxy, settled on Mars and "spawned continuance"?
I'm confident in saying; that there would not be ONE presidential administration prepared to take on anywhere close to this terrifying responsibility.
Since the end of Eisenhower presidency, it appear's this unsavory fact became known and forcibly hushed up. Since then, the ball of secrecy has been steadily rolling down the proverbial path to eventual truth, whereby subsequent Presidents inspired by the cry; "no no, not on my watch" has molded policy.
A couple of problems though. 1. persistent unidentified craft kept on crashing worldwide and 2. as technology improved, it was inevitable that "seeing in high resolution detail" the surface of a nearby planet, could result in mortifying discoveries of intelligent "things".
What was to do?
1. Crashed vehicles:
Relatively easy...as the event is somewhat localized and with some astringent manhandling and consequent lashings of humiliation, the incidents were effectively cauterized, with the exception of of course, of the infamous "1947 Roswell episode" .
2. Mars on the other hand presented the "secret keepers" with a more challenging dilemma.
As "seeing" became more trenchant from those early years onward, what was needed was to turn the planet Mars into a fable. This was how the American mind was "brainwashed" into the asinine culture we see today.
Americans liked "RED INDIANS" so much so, they went on to believe that the American Indian was actually RED and it worked for all sorts of fictitious creations from Disney to Hollywood.
So now, Mars became THE RED PLANET, as is seen in most all color images of Mars.
What did this do? In turning the images into the red hue, most all surface definition, in any detail, became "red washed" and "undefined" (red is the only color which can make bland most all detail).
But when later images became more readily available, (due to FOIA) and in greater detail, something had to be done to keep from revealing the truth of the so named "Red Planet".
Enter into the affray; PAREIDOLIA a powerful psych job; "It's not really there....it's all in your mind...ohhh".
Now here's a little test. Type the word into the forum and spellcheck will not even recognize the word let alone spell it correctly!
However, type the word into Google and BAM! a thousand and one hits all saying the same thing....."it's all in your mind, it's not really there, you're just making it all up in your mind's eye, but don't worry, you don't have a disease, it's natural, just look up there at that cloud and see....there's a face there, we all see it, it's ok, really"
And ram it down the throat's they have from Scientists to dumbo's. Very cleaver, and VERY effective.
Breath....
OK then, let's take a close look at the REAL life on Mars and I'm NOT talking about analyzing a rock that resembles a WW1 German military helmet. More to come.
Thanks,
Mal
I agree SpaceNut. If Mars had abundant water, if there was frequent exchange of material between Earth and Mars and vice versa and if Earth has such isolated, niche subterranean colonies, I see no particular reason why life shouldn't exist in such pockets on Mars. As for what might be on the surface, the sooner we get people to Mars to examine the various anomalies thrown up by the rover photos, the better.
SpaceNut wrote:Yes welcome to NewMars Mal...
No 3D glasses just a pair of bifocals....Without them I would be looking at a blur......IMHO FMP there is some life on Mars but its microbial to small maybe no bigger than a chipmunk... in closed loop caverns that would allow for a unique spicies to exist. Even earth has such small colonies....so why not Mars.
Thanks for the welcome guys, I hope I can contribute in our exploration of this mysterious world.
I'm trying to figure which forum to open a thread on and keep within the guidelines. Intelligent Alien Life looks about right so see you there?
Thanks again!
Mal
Hey Louis,
Thanks for the quick reply. In the UK where I was from about 33 years ago - London born, please to meet you!
Understanding the current "physics" of Mars, it's easy to conclude, there is little chance of any life there and so, at the risk of repeating myself with the acronym "IMO" or "IMHO" I'd like to change this to "FMP" or... "from my perspective" only because; "I personally see...therefore it is".
So these are my interpretations. Others will see other things, patterns which I gracefully acknowledge. This is important.
Human perception, and hopefully you'll agree, have differing interpretations. All perceptions and comments therefore, are welcomed here and btw, I've read several of your posts Louis and bow to your knowledge!!
To your question; what are my conclusions?
Even with the resolution of the MRO images, it's almost impossible to "see" if there are "walking aliens", the vantage point just doesn't allow it even at 80cm resolved, however, the ARTWORK renditions do... and they are numerous.
From that artwork, I have concluded that intelligent life does indeed reside there (loosely put) in abundance at least to the time stamp of no less that 80 to 90 years.
Can I prove it? Yes I believe so, and will post images, otherwise you'll think I'm a "sandwich short of a picnic", so the onus is now on me.
Hopefully, you'll find the anaglyph glasses.
Mal
Metaphorically speaking of course...
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Mal and have spent the past two weeks or so reading some absolutely fantastic posts and consequent discussions and wow! what a wonderful bunch of super enthusiasts with incredible depth of knowledge.... somewhat reminiscent of the now defunct "Meta Research" site hosted by the late Professor Tom Van Flandern....if I could make to bold.
A little backdrop. I'm an architect/designer by profession with a deep love of anything Mars and our Solar System. As a interior 3D designer for over 30 years, I'm no "spring chicken" but over this time, I've spent millions of hours working in dimensional perception, as a result, I've developed a strength in seeing depth of field with clarity, very useful in image analysis of the Martian surface. I guess we all bring our baggage along with us LOL.
Anyway, about five years ago, I had some time and decided to explore the reality or not, if there was life "out there".
(As a skeptic by nature, in principle, I try to analyze as close to the scientific method where possible using all the available data at my disposal).
After reviewing the many images sent back by the rovers, I realized early on, the data was limited . So I opted for both the Mars Express and MRO images specifically for the return of their awesome high definition experiences.
Moreover, 2D didn't cut for me. Fortunately, as we all know, both orbiters were equipped with wonderful "stereo cameras" and after many torturous hours of downloading the massive JP2 images from ASU and consequent manipulation and cropping, I finally got the handle of it, "3D images galore galore"
The rub, if you haven't experienced Mars in 3D well....you ain't been there!
Ok, here's the short and curly. I started out in the neg and ended in the pos.
In the coming weeks, I hope to show you my results but must advise, most of this evidence is in 3D, all of which I have produced myself using some very sophisticated software. I'm hopeful most of you will have the necessary anaglyph glasses to accomplish the task.
To begin and a good test for me, is a nice image of the Hebes Chasma cliff-side target, one of many of this enigmatic hole in the ground I'd like to discuss with you in the pursuing months.
Thanks again and please be gentle. Life DOES "exist out there" but it's not what you think.!
Cheers,
Mal