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This seems like a statement that Kerry is basically going to keep NASA hobbled, expending its resources on programs that will never leave Earth orbit rather than actually directing it to go somewhere. It's just more of the same, pre-Bush, material. (Ho-hum.)
However, reduced involvement in the space shuttle and space station would free up substantial portions of the NASA budget. Even small reductions in those programs could allow NASA to get to its feet again even if Kerry wants the leg irons left on.
Hmmm…Someone mentioned weighed votes. Maybe the weight would be the reciprocal of the population density.. Hmmm …. Alaska voters would like this. Of course why do it by states, why not divide the states into smaller districts and give rural people more say. Of course that might not be a good idea if it discourages people from living in a city.
Reciprocal of the population density would make Alaska, Oregon & Montana the key swing votes of the US. (That's the makings of a Libertarian president for sure!) No chance of that passing, though.
Dividing into districts is similar to what's already done to chose congressmen and the electoral college. And it really does give rural people slightly more say.
I'm curious: Does Canada use district divisions to choose members of its parliament? If so, Canada also has a weighted vote system for chosing its Prime Minister, much like the US has for chosing its President. The number of votes in the US electoral college is roughly the number of US congressmen. I assume the number of votes for Canadian prime minister is roughly the number of Canadian MP's - or at least the House of Commons. It would be roughly the same system, except that we have given ours a name and hold it up for the Green party to throw rocks at...
As I've already explained repeatedly, the electoral college exists because the US was never meant to be a single national block, but a federation of sovereign states.
Actually, the particular system used for weighting each state's vote exists because the US was originally meant to be a federation of states. The electoral college came to exist because delivering votes on horseback from Georgia to New York was a pain in the behind.
I like weighted votes.
Because the votes are weighted, an individual voter in a less populous states (like Louisiana) casts a vote that is slightly more likely to influence the election outcome than an individual voter in a more populous state (like Florida). Being from a little podunk state, I kinda like that. Since winning my little podunk state's electoral votes offers less bang for the buck than winning a larger state's, that tends to keep those big nasty presidential candidates off bothering someone else, allowing my neighbors and I to avoid television commercial poisoning. I kinda like that, too.
So, I get to say a little bit more and vote with a little bit clearer head. I also get a presidential election that's more like the world series in baseball than a simple vote tally. (It doesn't matter how many total points the teams get. If they want the penant, they've got to win the games.)
Flattering, comfortable and entertaining. What's not to like about the electoral college?
::edit:: This thread seems to have suddenly run dry. :hm: Do I have something stuck in my teeth? A booger on my blouse somewhere I can't see? Halitosis? Dontcha just love it when you're the last to reply and the topic just hangs there suddenly?
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Uh oh! It's that Cindy person again. Doesn't she realize? :;):
What if John Kerry IS elected President, his policies and actions are more in favor of what the rest of the Western world likes, etc. -- and we continue getting attacked? What will be the explanations or accusations then?
Al-Qaeda isn't, IMO, some mere reactionary "we want to save our culture against the Yankee Imperialists" group. They'd like to conquer the world and have us all subjected to their ideologies, standards and ways of living.
No thank you.
Al Qaeda has repeatedly shown that it is out to get the rest of the world as well. Infidel Yankee Imperialists are just the most tempting target.
Electing Kerry or Bush will make no difference to Al Qaeda, and no one should form their opinion based on the mistaken assumption that it will. The US will be attacked regardless of who its president is at the time.
However, it might make a difference to the rest of the world.
The United States of America is too large a country - too many people over too large an area - to give equal weight to everyone's vote. For its orderly function, people must have a greater voice in their local affairs than those living a thousand miles away. Quite frankly, the average person is too ignorant of daily events occurring that far from home to make informed decisions.
The United States is not a true democracy. It is a collection of oligarchies, each responsible for its own distinct sphere of influence. Some of those oligarchies are democratic; some are bureaucratic; others are dictatorships. Some are, on paper, capable of running themselves, but not one of them is capable of running the entire country alone.
And when I say "not capable", I'm not talking about their budgets, military power, or anything that could be made up with additional resources. The shortfall is in the way each oligarchy makes its own individual decisions. No one decision making style is capable of addressing all the decisions that need to be made in this country any more than one person is capable of gathering all the information they need to vote equally informed with someone living one thousand miles away. It's an impossibility. It can't be done.
People who claim that all decisions in a nation of 300 million people should be made by direct democracy make my blood run just as cold as those who claim that all decisions should be made by their fuhrer and his secret police.
*Might look to Martha for additional ideas:
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I'll be curious to see what she and her microwave group come up with. Space agencies might want to take a peep over her shoulder as well.
I've toyed with that idea myself.
Martha Stewart is a fairly talented person and relatively observant. If she could be persuaded to publish an account of her prison experiences from a professional perspective (rather than the typical "What I did at Camp Cupcake" memoir format), that could prove useful for both her fellow prisoners and the type of personel we're usually interested in around here.
Maybe I'll send her my infamous microwave barbeque chicken recipe..
I hope I'm wrong, but I won't be the least bit surprised if the whole American democracy game blows up after this election.
Does anyone remember the President's name from that old Dark Horse comic series, "Give Me Liberty"? :;):
Actually, I would be surprised if the mechanics of the US election system itself broke down. (One of the virtues of the electoral college is that it produces an outcome no matter what.) However, since the US's two-party political system is on the verge of a breakdown, I fully expect serious challenges to this election outcome. It's entirely possible that we may not have a president by January, much less November 3.
Who'd sponsor it?
What other possible subsurface liquids could there be on Mars?
At this point, liquid water would be an "other possible subsurface liquid", since it's never been confirmed to exist. There's also been speculation about liquid carbon dioxide being able to exist deep under the Mars polar ice caps (many kilometers north & south of Opportunity). If there's liquid there, it's almost certainly water.
Of course, there are other possibilities (hydrocarbons, alcohols, etc.) but most have even lower evaporation limits than water.
How boring if no one across the border would even comment! Not to mention vaguely embarassing...
Sinclair, Fox News, et al. are gradually losing their claim to objectivity on certain issues. The expected "documentary" is so closely in keeping with their recent coverage that I doubt the regular viewers will even notice the difference. It's just a shame that they command such a big audience.
Fortunately, "commanding" his audience will not allow Sinclair to send them forth like flying monkeys. Conservatives think, too. Generally. :;):
Can anyone tell me how you can measure a distortion of space-time (4-space) if you, and every tool you use to measure the distortion, including light, are part of the same space-time being distorted?
???[You will note I don't try to cast any doubt on the existence of gravity waves. I just don't see how we can ever observe them with an instrument like LIGO.]
The light would distort. As space expanded and contracted in the passing wave, its energy density would change. The surrounding solid objects would distort, too, but not as much. LIGO, in theory, can detect the difference in distortion.
It's an effect analogous to the cosmological redshift. Current theory holds that this effect occurs because space itself is expanding, gradually drawing the energy out of distant starlight after emission. However, the expansion does not dramatically effect solid matter, which is held together under influences much stronger on the local scale. It's like solid matter is shrinking relative to the universe.
So, if the effect is there to be seen at all, LIGO will probably find it.
I don't believe it is, but that's a whole other topic...
I just finished reading Canth's old "A March on the Capitol" thread in which he advocated organizing every space advocacy organization together into a single mass march on the US Capitol. I tried to picture the affiliated space advocates I've met, trying to march on anything.
:hm: ???
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Sorry, but we're just not usually the type! Honestly, who here can say that long hours in the hot Maryland sun - during which you will never even see a congressman but might get an intimate experience with a policeman's night stick or flat-earther - appeal to you more than a convention - which might include actual sightings of, and possibly even meetings with, invited government dignitaries?
Just try inviting the entire US Congress and half the Cabinet to a protest march. That's hopeless. However, if you invited them to a large convention, offer free admission to the lectures, allowing them to get exposure by addressing the assembly, then THAT might get some takers.
Far better to organize a mass Convention in Washington, DC than some sort of mass protest rally. Yelling at government officials from a roped off distance about what they're doing wrong has long since lost its sting. Let's try getting them comfortably face to face and telling them what they can do right.
I know that this may come off as a bit radical, but...
With all our talk of writing the US Congress with our demands and displeasures, how often do we suggest thanking them for something they've done right? For example, the US Senate Appropriations Committee voted unanimously last month to approve a version of the federal budget with increased funding to NASA - including a small percentage added on their own initiative above what was asked for by the presidential administration. Some may argue that it's unlikely to pass through the US House of Representatives unaltered, but that's not the point.
The US Senate has done something we wanted them to do, and we should thank them for it.
I suggest pre-made greeting cards. Hallmark and other greeting card printers sell numerous "thank you" cards, and at least one is bound to be right for the occassion. They're relatively cheap, and a blank card or simple letter can be adapted. A typical card can be personalized just like a letter, but is much easier to write because it's message is simpler. No one responding has to be a literary genius. It also relieves us of running around trying to muster some sort of "mass mailing".
If you appreciate what these people have done for the US space program, thank them for it. It's just that simple.
Thanks for your time.
CME
Knocked out and burned up during it's final experiment...
That's how I want to go.
*BUMP!*
This particular feature, Burns Cliff, is on the schedule for Opportunity to examine before attempting to depart Endurance crater.
Apparently they've saved the best for last.
Actually, the remark about the epicycles was put there for perspective, Cindy. Before the days of Kepler, epicycles were used to describe planetary motions in the Ptolemaic model of the universe. Whenever some odd new planetary motion was discovered, it was customary to just slap a new epicycle on the model to account for it.
Now that I think about it, perhaps that's what I was trying to do. :bars:
There is no evidence whatsoever that there's that much angular momentum going unaccounted for in the sun. Trying to put it there is just trying to add an epicycle. In fact, Shaun's post reminds me of yet another epicycle currently in use: invoking dark matter to explain why individual galaxies hold their shapes and groups of them hold together despite inexplicable speeds - this in spite of any other confirming evidence for dark matter.
Dark matter is supposed to hold things together by changing the gravity field and making it stronger at a distance and/or have a shallower gradient than expected. I said that general relativity held good at intergalactic distances, but in reality it doesn't. Not at all. At last count, theorists had to presume nearly 90% of the universe is dark matter in order to force the theory to work. Looked at another way, there's a 90% error in the current theory of gravity.
Dark matter is one big epicycle.
The errors observed in the Pioneer probe's trajectory are small compared to that, but they do appear to have one striking similarity. In both cases, gravity is stronger at a distance than it should be. Only in the case of the Pioneer probe, the difference can't be accounted for by a diffuse halo of surrounding mass, because in order to have enough dark matter in the right place to affect the probe's trajectory you would need enough dark matter in the right place to affect planetary orbits as well.
Dark matter clearly isn't the cause, but I'll bet the Pioneer probe is experiencing the same phenomenon as galactic clusters all the same.
The folks in Europe are on the right track. We don't need another epicycle. We need another Kepler.
*I wish some of the brainiacs who used to frequent this board would drop by and chime in again, at least occasionally! Oh well.
--Cindy
Be careful what you wish for. :;):
P.S.: "For unknown reasons, the Pioneer 10 and 11 missions NASA launched in the early 1970s have traveled slower in the far reaches of the solar system than scientists expected...Thee most logical explanation would be an unaccounted-for systematic source, such as a gas leak from the propulsion system."
*Well, they are the scientists, not I, but I wonder if the nearing of the heliopause and bow shock out there has anything to do with this slowing down. :hm:
The idea that the propulsion systems on both probes malfunctioned is hokum. Even if it could conceivably have gone out in the same fashion on both probes at once, they haven't lost enough fuel to execute the maneuver.
No, something unexpected is retarding their progress.
If they were still travelling at their original speeds, I'd say the idea of drag from the heliopause was ridiculous, too. However, these probes are only travelling at a few kilometers per second. It's become relatively easy to nudge their course compared to how they behaved in the inner solar system. I don't think it's that, though. This is a cumulative effect; this anomalous force has been acting on the probes for a long time, probably since before they cleared the solar system.
I think it's either a problem with our idea of gravity or a problem with our idea of what energy is actually available in our solar system and its neighborhood, and my guess is the latter. I can't see why General Relativity would work on both our local scale and the scale of the universe at large but not just outside Pluto's orbit. However, I could see how some vast error in accounting for the sun's energy budget would do that. Energy creates gravity, but which way the vector points depends on the energy source. Maybe there's some aspect of the Sun's structure that we don't know about, or haven't accounted for because it doesn't match the tiny trickle we see on its surface, that is nudging gravity at a funny angle out there at Pioneer 10.
Then again, maybe Pioneer 10 has become snagged by a passing epicycle. There's no telling at this point.
If NASA won't get off of it and send a probe to check this out, ESA needs to. I've always wanted to see Pluto and Charon. This anomaly is just one more good excuse.
Has anyone ever considered preparing a subject index for posts and articles?
Having passed the 50000 post mark, the New Mars forum is becoming unsearchable. The blog has been nearly so for a while. I know the internet data miners among us have all become calloused to 1000 hit keyword searches that take days to slog through, but the rest of us could really use an alphabetical index.
Caution: Pedantic, off-topic ranting ramble follows.
An increasing general laziness and false entitlement are indeed rotting out the modern workforce. However, these are just symptoms of the real problems, not root causes. The real problems are overpopulation (which magnifies every minor defect), shortsightedness, and greed.
Unenlightened greed is more insidious than merely attempting to gouge workers and suck up resources. It has corrupted the very theoretical foundations of economics.
For example, consider the fate of time-and-a-half paid overtime.
For an employee, computing your pay with overtime is fairly simple (though getting less & less familiar to the average worker). For the employer, it's a little more complicated because you have to pay all of your employees. However, the boss's job is made simpler by the fact that each employee's job task (in theory) only takes a certain number of man-hours per pay period to accomplish. Putting double the number of employees on any given job should half the time needed to do it. Employees must compute their paychecks in real time, but employers can accurately project their payrolls in man-hours. This is advantageous to the employers, because if they can just assign enough employees to a job, they can reduce the real time needed to do it below the level where they need to pay anyone overtime. This is cheaper. The employer gets the same amount of work done, but only pays the base wage to get it done.
In theory, this is how all jobs should be managed. It's better to throw more people at a problem than it is to throw more money. Any overtime paid reflects a problem in management or workforce. Overtime preferrably shouldn't even be allowed. The equations say so!
That's the theory, anyway.
In reality, all economic terms have a margin of error. Saying that one intends to manage a task so that no overtime is required is really saying that one intends to micromanage every fifteen minute segment of every worker's day like a switch-toting schoolmarm. This erodes morale, and builds an expectation that the boss and/or company will step in and solve any problems an employee won't.
Just flatly denying overtime also erodes morale. It creates an entire workforce where half the employees are thinking "Gee, if I could just stay at this for just fifteen more minutes, I wouldn't be set back by an hour tomorrow morning," and the other half are thinking, "I'll just do it tomorrow, since nothing I do makes a difference to my workload anyway." Small amounts of overtime claimed on their own initiative are an indication that employees are actually concerned about doing their jobs. Denying them implies that employees can't make a difference or that the job itself isn't important enough to bother. It also promotes clock watching, which degrades efficiencies still further.
Cost efficiency isn't necessarily cost efficient. But there's an entire school of business management that says this sort of thing is exactly what we need. Just go to Walmart, the world's largest employer at this time, and ask around.
If you think this isn't an insidious problem, ask yourself the following: Would you, as an employer, prefer to save several hundred thousand dollars in overtime, or spend that extra money just to have that one mission-critical bolt tightend on your company's next $50 million communications satellite that wouldn't be tightened if your technician can't spend 30 extra minutes at work before his two week vacation? You might be surprised at how many greedy bastards would pick the first option.
Gas Stations! An ingenious solution.
To get to Mars in a week, you'd need to accelerate at nearly Mars surface gravity - 0.3 G's. That's not possible. But one month of accelerating at 0.003 G's might be done if you had the right electric propulsion. It would require some really big engines, but the crew quarters could be reduced to a tiny little speck.
PS: I wonder if we can replace the capsule egress with a sardine can key? Think of the mass savings. :;):
we need an OuterSpace Patent Office.
Heavens, yes! But that's a whole other thread.
My guess: It won't work for this app, but don't throw away the cocktail napkin sketches just yet.
Orbit to surface microwave transmission losses due to the atmosphere occur mostly because of ionization in the air. Creating an ionized "shield" between the transmitter and rectenna is unlikely to help.
However, those ions are potentially useful. What about adapting Nicholas Tesla's idea of atmospheric power transmission and using the ion trail itself to conduct electricity? Keep enough power flowing down the pipe, and you won't need the laser anymore.
Hmm... Seems this stuff would be about like sapphire. The largest optical quality sapphire "window" I've ever seen was the size of my thumb. I'm trying to imagine one the size of my living room picture window.
(Where's the :drool: smiley on this thing?)
If the tank was to be punctured, it would probably rupture in a horendus explosion that would put anything that any chemical engine could conceviable produce, because there is little way for a chemical engine to release all that energy at once.
Actually, my limited experience with catastrophic ruptures in high pressure storage tanks is that they act more like rocket engines than bombs. With the inertia of an entire vehicle, the passengers would survive long enough to be launched.
The end would suck, but the ride would be spectacular.