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#276 Re: Space Policy » President of India calls for joint - US/Indian habitat on Mars by 2050 » 2007-03-17 14:56:41

The mere thought of a chaplain, or a rabbi, or a mullah, arriving on the Moon and stopping to say grace, or whatever, to thank their respective diety for having delivered them in one piece ... now THAT would be scary.

Whats scary about that?

The thought that religion, despite being just as flawed as any other human institution ever created, might spoil your "sacred ground"?

Or the thought that you might be wrong?

Back on topic, I think mankind needs a frontier to solve its problems, be they poverty, overcrowding or religious friction. India has all three in spades. And all countries will benefit. The challenges to open that frontier are at this point largely technical.

#278 Re: Human missions » Shouldn't there be more focus on surface mobility? » 2007-01-11 16:38:19

Surface mobility is very important, but only once a solid, self-suffient base is built.

#279 Re: Life on Mars » Did the Vikings find life... » 2007-01-07 22:05:42

Scientist: NASA found life on Mars - and killed it

n the 1970s, the Viking mission found no signs of life.

But it was looking for Earth-like life, in which salt water is the internal liquid of living cells.

Given the cold dry conditions of Mars, life could have evolved on Mars with the key internal fluid consisting of a mix of water and hydrogen peroxide, said Schulze-Makuch.

That's because a water-hydrogen peroxide mix stays liquid at very low temperatures, or -68 degrees Fahrenheit, and doesn't destroy cells when it freezes. It can suck water vapor out of the air.

The Viking experiments of the 1970s wouldn't have noticed hydrogen peroxide-based life and, in fact, would have killed it by drowning and overheating the microbes, said Schulze-Makuch.

An interesting idea. One that may not be properly answered untill we put a good microscope on the planet.

#280 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Can of Worms (Secularists vs Religious Right) » 2007-01-06 16:24:32

I feel obligated to mention that the idea of the seperation of church and state is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, and was instead an theory proposed by Thomas Jefferson in a private letter to some ministers in Danbury Connecticut.

That doesn't mean its completely without merit. But the only way for it to truely exist is to completely seperate the religion from the people. Otherwise goverment workers of all levels will act roughly according to their faith.

The real issues is of opposing religious views on people. The idea of trying to legislate morality. Al Sharpten I respect very much because he understand what goes around comes around so to speak. Thus the reverend does not support he idea of legislating morality.

Sharpton knows all about making what goes around come around. He makes lots of money by seeing racism everywhere he looks. What do we call people who target others for unjustified legal action based on the color of their skin?

Back on topic, I think you'll find secularists and fundamentalists often on the same side when it comes to legislating morality. For example, their all for "your body, your choice" when it comes to abortion, but God forbid you decide to smoke, or eat anything less healthy than grass. For another, secularists say only science will do when it comes evolution, but if you try to explain to them climate change was occuring well before the invention of the SUV, they suddenly become subbornly devout students of a tiny portion geologic history. And how exactly does having someone say Merry Christmas to you make you be a Christian?

#281 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Can of Worms (Secularists vs Religious Right) » 2007-01-06 13:00:49

I feel obligated to mention that the idea of the seperation of church and state is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, and was instead an theory proposed by Thomas Jefferson in a private letter to some ministers in Danbury Connecticut.

That doesn't mean its completely without merit. But the only way for it to truely exist is to completely seperate the religion from the people. Otherwise goverment workers of all levels will act roughly according to their faith.

#282 Re: Not So Free Chat » Saddam Hussein's Dead: Iraqi Justice brought to you by Bush » 2007-01-04 18:59:54

Perhaps Stormrage would have perfered the Soviets won the war.

#283 Re: Not So Free Chat » Saddam Hussein's Dead: Iraqi Justice brought to you by Bush » 2006-12-31 14:27:13

If the Sunnis wanted a religious goverment, why didn't they have one under Saddam?

The militias and extremists, backed by Iran and Syria, Al-quida, and others are trying, and in many circles succeding in wearing out our patience. The average Iraqi has very little to say on the matter, and is just trying to survive.

We have to ask ourselves if we really want to let ourselves lose to Iran and Syria and Osama.

#284 Re: Civilization and Culture » Christmas on Mars » 2006-12-29 08:55:42

Therefore the main festivals and traditions of these faiths would also be transferred to Mars unless the secularists decide to purge religious belief from the ninth continent.

Whats the 8th continent?

Anyway, such a purge would not surprise me, its been tried on Earth, and not for the last time either, why would it not occur on Mars. Which is why when colonization begins in earnest, a government to preserve that right must be in place as well.

#285 Re: Not So Free Chat » Newt Gingrich vs John McCain: Who'd make a better President. » 2006-12-27 20:54:37

On one hand Newt might be drawn to privatize. On the other hand he believes in all the glory and American leadership aspects. Not that McCain doesn't, I just don't think thats were his priorities are. Honestly, unless there is a massive influx of funds, there isn't going to be a lot going on during the next term of anyone.

I wouldn't trust any Democrat to do anything but employ as many engineers as possible. Anything that brings America glory is the enemy to them.

Newts the smartest, most principled politician in the country today. I think thats the best we can hope for on any issue.

#286 Re: Civilization and Culture » Christmas on Mars » 2006-12-27 09:07:12

Assuming Christmas is still primarily a celebration of the birth of Christ, because Christ lived his mortal life on Earth, I would assume they would celebrate it every time Earth does.

#287 Re: Human missions » Energia's lunar plan » 2006-12-27 08:48:37

Or they crash land in Washington and find the Lincoln Memorial replaced by a monkey.

#288 Re: Human missions » Whats does NASAs Manned Mars Architecture Look Like Now? » 2006-12-22 22:40:59

Theres another reason why sardine can habs are unexceptable for interplanetary travel... the interplanetary environment makes up the vast majority of exploration targets.

Mars is an exception to the rule, it has a viable atmosphere. The Moon, minor planets, outer moons, ect. all have no atmosphere, and must be built largely to the same specs. And given the atmosphere Mars, or Titan, has theres few good reasons to design them to be fundamentally different. If we intend to inhabit these places for any extended periods of time, we might has well pack it full of as much equipment to produce all things they need.

#289 Re: Human missions » Whats does NASAs Manned Mars Architecture Look Like Now? » 2006-12-21 20:15:01

The trouble is the space program is viewed, and for those in the political system, is, of secondary importance to issues such as taxes, health care, education. national security, and foriegn policy. An elected official is not going to spend a lot of time on space unless it falls into one or more of those catagories, or unless they are elected to fight for that policy. In the 60's it clearly fell into the realm of national security and foreign policy. The Soviets challenged us to a contest to see who's was bigger. We couldn't not take them on.

The exact same conditions will not reappear. We need something new.

#290 Re: Space Policy » NASA 2008 Budget » 2006-12-13 14:46:19

I can think of one good reason. Vladimir Putin!.....I don't like the fact that he goes around ordering the assassinations of Russian citizens in foreign countries using Polonium 210.

Oh dear lord, please don't tell me you bought that hook, line and sinker, at least based on what is publically known.

It is the most likely explainaition: Someone criticises the Russian Government ie Putin, and then that someone dies by a radioactive isotope of Polonium that has a halflife of a few months, this stuff cannot be stockpiled for very long and it needs to br produced by a reactor. I don't think the ex-KGB agent was willing to die so that he could frame the Russian government for his own murder, religious fanatics do stuff like that, not usually Russians

I find it very hard to believe that Putin would choose to eliminate his enemies, if at all, in this way. The use of such a rare substance in a way that is sure to cause international consern will bring far too much attention. It far more likely that someone within the FSB who may have have access to the stuff did it to either shut the guy up or shine an unpleasant eye on his bosses.

#291 Re: Space Policy » NASA 2008 Budget » 2006-12-12 17:20:34

I can think of one good reason. Vladimir Putin!.....I don't like the fact that he goes around ordering the assassinations of Russian citizens in foreign countries using Polonium 210.

Oh dear lord, please don't tell me you bought that hook, line and sinker, at least based on what is publically known.

Theres lots of reasons to dislike Putin, ranging from his attitude towards NGO's in Russia, to opposition to meaningful enforcement of international law in Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. None of that tops the need for America to have its own access to manned space flight for its own reasons.

#292 Re: Life support systems » It all started with Chevy Corvettes... » 2006-12-11 19:05:20

Well, creating a space suit funtional and flexable enough to go gracefully down the catwalk would be quite the engineering feat.

For extra points, create one that makes effective use of cleavage.  tongue

#293 Re: Human missions » Armstrong Lunar Outpost - status » 2006-12-11 18:40:06

So does this suggest that every manned flight is going to one site?

I realize that base sites are limited to polar regions for a while, but shouldn't we look around a little first?

#294 Re: Human missions » Near Earth Object (NEO) missions » 2006-11-18 18:30:06

Theres always the multitude of mineral and volitile resources to be exploited, without the gravity well to concern ourselves with.

Phobos and Demos could be visited by a CEV in Mars orbit, if the one that brought the crew to the transit craft from Earth was brought along.

#295 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Ares I (CLV) - status » 2006-11-12 19:47:26

It might just mean rethinking the 1.5 launches plan.

A neutered Stick should still be able to get the CEV to LEO. From there we still have a multitude of options.

#296 Re: Human missions » It's Official the Moon is not the Future of Colonization » 2006-11-09 13:17:29

What if we drill straight down through the Moon's regolith to obtain cores, kilometres deep: what might we find in the way of potential resources?

Perhapes, volcanic gas.

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Not So Dead After All - Moon's Escaping Gasses Expose Fresh Surface

Isn't there a good deal of hydrogen in volcanic gas on Earth?

#297 Re: Martian Chronicles » Failed mission food reserves run out cannabalisim? » 2006-11-08 19:48:32

Note to self: DO NOT get into a spacecraft with Bentherdonthat.

#298 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-11-08 06:38:08

The risk is simple you will be making him into a martyr to the 20% of Iraqs population who believe everything he says. It also appears to be revenge rather than justice and that is something that even Machiavelli warned us against. The best means to deal with Saddam is to let him wither like Napoleon far away getting older and more feable and to show the Iraqi people look there was this great leader, human, old and utterly spent. No palaces no grand banquets only ridicule and the knowledge for him it was all for nothing he will die and not even get a grave just to disapear a footnote in history.

You do realize that Napoleon is a horrible example.

If the Allies killed him when they had the chance they would have prevented a hell of a lot of bloodshed.

#299 Re: Civilization and Culture » War on Mars » 2006-11-05 23:12:38

Dust will be important in Martian wars.  The bases of operation must be completely hidden by Martian dust. Perhaps explosives in near by areas will be used to create a dust smoke screen. The bases should be mobile as well.

A based obsured by dust would suffer the same disability.

#300 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Fishsticks: RIP 2048? » 2006-11-05 22:57:32

Is there any reason all our seafood coundn't be provided with aquaculture? You know, other than the fact it really wouldn't be seafood anymore?

I think the reason natural fish are fished so much is that in those areas, they are still the most abundant and accessable source of food. I think as more advanced agricultural methods reach other areas and food producing industries, those areas will have a bigger menu, reducing the dependance on natural fish.

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