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this ice thing, doesnt seem like it is about foreigners at all.
they are a pretext.
what it is about, is normalizing this ice lawlessness.
what is this ice thing anyways.
trumps dog.
there are limits to how trump can control the us military and police.
but ice.. thats his personal dog.
with ice he can do whatever he wants.
first job,
find some easy victim.
and in every country, it is always easiest to vilify the foreigners.
so he starts with them.
and thereby, normalizing attacking people with his dog.
thats exactly what hitler did when he was rising to power.
there were limits to how he could use the military and police.
due to.. the democratic system that was in place.
so what he did was that he started his own military.
called the ss.
with that military he could do whatever he wanted.
and thats what we are witnessing now.
today it is the foreigners.
tomorrow... it can be anybody.
here is trump,
before the last election.
promising people that if he gets elected,
it will be the last american election.
https://www.mbl.is/frettir/erlent/2024/ … osa_aftur/
how this is not treason is beyond me.
he has also braggingly said he could murder americans on the street, for fun.
and maga would still support him.
words that did not bode well when watching prettis murder.
he also did not respect the outcome of the election he lost in 2020.
he doesnt respect america.
chatgpt's take.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6981f55f-b620 … 34319862f9
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Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America: Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas
Number of Crimes per 100,000 persons 2012-2018
Violent Crime
US-born citizen: 213.0
Legal immigrant: 185.3
Undocumented immigrant: 96.2
Property Crime
US-born citizen: 165.2
Legal immigrant: 98.2
Undocumented immigrant: 38.5
Drug Violations
US-born citizen: 337.2
Legal immigrant: 235.6
Undocumented immigrant: 136.0
Traffic Violations
US-born citizen: 68.3
Legal immigrant: 86.7
Undocumented immigrant: 38.1
Aw! Legal immigrants have trouble with traffic, eg speeding tickets. Violent crimes are committed by US-born citizens. So perhaps state troopers need to crack down on US-born citizens in Texas.
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RobertDyck,
Aw! Legal immigrants have trouble with traffic, eg speeding tickets. Violent crimes are committed by US-born citizens. So perhaps state troopers need to crack down on US-born citizens in Texas.
I'm sure you think you're being funny, but your behavior indicates how the policies of people who think the way you do encourages victimization of illegals as well. It's actually repulsive how little regard you have for the lives of the very people you think you're defending.
Most people who are victims of violent crimes are victimized by someone they know and interact with on a daily basis. Since we're talking about illegals here, that would mean other illegals living in America. Multiply your stats for the illegals by about a factor of 10 and that's pretty close to reality. Most of them simply don't report crimes because they don't want to get deported.
If you're an illegal, then you cannot legally obtain a driver's license in the states that follow federal law, and you're definitely not sticking around to file police reports if you run into someone else, so that would be why they have fewer traffic violations. The actual number should be zero because they shouldn't be able to obtain a driver's license.
Fear and Silence: 2025 Insights from Advocates for Immigrant Survivors
Precise numbers on crimes committed by undocumented immigrants against other undocumented immigrants are not officially tracked, largely because a high percentage of these crimes go unreported to law enforcement. Studies and surveys suggest that undocumented immigrants are often reluctant to report crimes due to fear of deportation, resulting in high rates of unreported victimization, particularly in domestic violence and sexual assault cases.
Based on analysis of crime surveys and reports, here is the available data regarding this issue:
Extensive Underreporting: Researchers estimate that only about 11% of crimes committed against undocumented immigrants are reported to the police.
Fear of Deportation: A 2025 survey of immigrant advocates found that 76% reported their clients feared calling the police due to potential deportation, with many choosing to drop cases.
Victimization by Known Offenders: Undocumented immigrants are more likely to be victimized by someone they know, often another undocumented person, which increases the likelihood of silence due to fear of retribution or fear of legal exposure for both parties.
Underreporting Specific Crimes: Domestic violence, sexual assault, and gang violence are consistently cited as the least reported crimes, with studies indicating that up to two-thirds of these incidents may go unreported in these communities.
Survey Findings vs. Reality: While some analyses of the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) suggest that, generally, non-citizens report crimes at rates similar to native-born citizens, this is often disputed by community-level studies showing deep mistrust of law enforcement among the undocumented population.
Key Factors for Non-Reporting:
Fear of Retaliation: 42% of unreported crime victims surveyed (general population) cited fear of reprisal.
Lack of Trust: 70% of undocumented immigrants in a 2013 study reported they were less likely to contact police, even if victims of a crime.
Fear of Discovery: 30% of undocumented immigrants identified fear of deportation as the primary reason for not reporting crimes.
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The ICE agents are enforcing the law and removing people who have entered the US illegally. No one should have a problem with that process. If you do, then you are not on the same side as the American people. Arresting illegal migrants is often quite violent, because they resist arrest and may be armed. This means that they are frequently injured and are sometimes killed. That isn't a good outcome, but the whole process tends to be rough, with officers afraid for their own safety. You need to be realistic about what is going to happen when police officers arrest people who resist arrest and officers are afraid for their own safety. People are going to be injured and some will die. It isn't a good outcome and you don't have to like it. But it is inevitable under the circumstances. These people are protecting your borders and doing their job. Need I say more?
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In the UK, the government has active programmes for ethnically cleansing British people from their own land.
https://youtu.be/RGNINb3Vh38
Would you rather have that government, or a government that is at least trying to keep you safe by removing invaders from your land? I wish we had some version of ICE.
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I don't expect the non-Americans to understand this. I don't expect the non-MAGA to accept this. We are entitled to complain about our government. We are rightful to speak and act against thee will of our elected representatives. I can't hurt you, but I can call you all kinds of names and refuse to do anything other than what is required by law. We all have rights that supersede the government or we are all slaves to the whims of government. Choose.
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Calliban,
KBD512 would like to see more goods consumed by americans made by americans.
KBD512 would also like to see more goods consumed by the british made by the british.
KBD512 would also like to see more goods consumed by canadians made by canadians.
KBD512 would also like to see more goods consumed by... if the pattern isn't already clear, then it never will be.
That sounds good in theory.
At least we won't be starting from a point of "bad theory", such as "send your manufacturing overseas and then your (already opulently wealthy) people will be a little wealthier". That is the "economic theory" we've been operating from during my entire life, which hasn't improved the lives of average workers, and never will, because it was never intended to do that.
But different parts of the manufacturing process require labour at different skill levels and price points. There are also issues with economy of scale that make it difficult for individual nations to produce complex products for a limited internal market.
It sounds like you're telling me that we must prioritize which products and services to focus our efforts on, so as to "economize" on labor and capital inputs, rather than exploiting poorer people in foreign countries so some of us can lead better lives. It also sounds like you don't really want to pay your fellow countrymen a living wage for certain products or services, so you'd have to learn to live without things you're not actually wiling to pay your own people to produce. Maybe you only have 5 different brands of tea instead of 500, but you still have tea to drink at the end of the day.
I'm not saying I am against what Trump is trying to achieve by relocalising production. But if we are heading for a world where more of the production chain takes place in high wage countries, the same high wage countries where goods are consumed, then manufactured goods are going to be more expensive to the consumer. That may mean people being poorer overall. Maybe that is a hit that we should all be prepared to take for the greater good of a more equal society? That may be the case. But understand that there are consequences. Disrupting trade could end up triggering some severe recessions.
The situation is different for Canada. There, you have a smaller and older population. For Canada to transition to a domestic economy, in the way Trump seems to be pushing the US, will be much more difficult. Manufacturing complex items requires scale economies because of high capital costs. The Canadian internal market is just too small. Which is why I think CANZUK is a good idea for the four anglosphere countries involved. Individually, they are small. But a unified market of 160 million people, is big enough for companies that manufacture complex things like phones, computers, machinery, etc. The Canadians made the mistake of electing another left-wing government at the last election as a kind a tantrum against Trump. That was unfortunate because grownups will need to be in charge to build something like CANZUK, which is going to take a lot of work to set up.
Trump has effectively ended NAFTA. For better of worse, it has happened. It is time for the rest of the world to stop complaining and realign accordingly.
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RobertDyck wrote:Aw! Legal immigrants have trouble with traffic, eg speeding tickets. Violent crimes are committed by US-born citizens. So perhaps state troopers need to crack down on US-born citizens in Texas.
I'm sure you think you're being funny, but your behavior indicates how the policies of people who think the way you do encourages victimization of illegals as well. It's actually repulsive how little regard you have for the lives of the very people you think you're defending.
There is nothing funny about this. You are lying. When faced with hard statistics that prove your assertions are wrong, you just lie, you claim the statistics are wrong. If you want to counter anything I posted, then provide proof. I posted a reference, a source with hard statistics. The result demonstrates your assertion is absolute bullshit. If you want to counter, then you are required to post a source to backup your assertion. If you cannot, then we will conclude that you are wrong.
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Robert, the statistics you referenced are questionable to say the least. In the UK, immigrants are far more likely to commit crimes.
https://yournews.com/2025/03/11/3292903 … 71-higher/
The illiegal migrants flooding into the US are the same sort of people. How do you account for the divergence between UK statistics and the stats you referenced?
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Calliban, you may not understand, but immigrants from South or Central America, or the Caribbean, who come into the US ensure they stay out of trouble, because they know any trouble will get them kicked out of the country. The southern border of the US used to get a lot of migrants from Mexico, but since NAFTA the economy of Mexico has improved, so most Mexicans do not enter the US any more. Migrants are from farther south.
Your profile says you're in Northern England. England gets different migrants; a lot of Muslims. News we get here in Canada or America report some horrific stories of Muslims trying to turn Europe to Muslim culture, Sharia law, etc. Migrants to southern US are from Hispanic countries. Spanish culture is not the same as English, but it's European.
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RobertDyck,
There is nothing funny about this. You hare lying. When faced with hard statistics that prove your assertions are wrong, you just lie, you claim the statistics are wrong.
Your "hard statistics" have a gaping hole in them. Crimes against illegal aliens committed by other illegal aliens ARE NOT REPORTED, more often than not, and the illegal aliens already told you why they do not report crimes against them.
If you want to counter anything I posted, then provide proof. I posted a reference, a source with hard statistics. The result demonstrates your assertion is absolute bullshit.
You demonstrated how you attempt to find data to fit your narrative, but when the the data doesn't reflect reality, you instead choose to ignore reality.
Since you decided to focus on Texas and motor vehicle crimes, specifically, let's look at Texas.
Let's examine how ridiculous your claim about Texas traffic crimes for illegals vs citizens truly is:
Dangerous and Deadly Vehicle Pursuits under Texas’ Operation Lone Star
According to media reports indicating the pursuits involved vehicles containing migrants, as well as DPS records obtained by Human Rights Watch under state public records laws, in the 29 months between the start of OLS in March 2021 and July 2023, at least 74 people were killed and another 189 injured as the result of 49 pursuits by Texas troopers or local law enforcement, or both, in Operation Lone Star counties. That is a rate of nearly 3 deaths and 7 injuries per month that OLS has been in existence, a significantly higher toll than the nearly 2 deaths per month previously reported by media and civil rights groups, and higher than the toll in other Texas counties over the same period. Of the 5,230 total vehicle pursuits that DPS troopers engaged in across Texas’ 254 counties since March 2021, 3,558 of them, or roughly 68 percent of all pursuits, occurred in the 60 Operation Lone Star counties that represent 13 percent of the state’s population. This means Operation Lone Star county residents are experiencing a disproportionate share of vehicle pursuits across the state.
Human Rights Watch is known to support and advocate for illegal immigration into the United States. This is merely them here "telling on themselves" by complaining about the uptick in criminal activity associated with the immigration policy they support when Texas law enforcement continues to do its job.
Why are there so many "deadly" motor vehicle pursuits against illegal aliens?
Illegal aliens actually commit crimes at higher rates than the Texas citizens living in those counties, and then when DPS tries to stop them, they run from DPS. 68% of all DPS motor vehicle pursuits in Texas involved illegal aliens running from the Police. That means illegals represent 2/3rds of all DPS pursuits. Running from the Police on a public roadway is a crime, a felony at that, and those are the results.
If you want to counter, then you are required to post a source to backup your assertion. If you cannot, then we will conclude that you are wrong.
I already did that. 70% of illegal aliens respondents, who were not worried about their illegal status being used against them, said they do not report crimes to the Police when queried. Crimes happen most frequently against people who know and interact with each other on a daily basis, across all people in all nations. This is a fact, not a conjecture. Illegals living in the US most frequently interact with other illegals.
If that wasn't enough, Human Rights Watch just backed up my assertion with hard data obtained from Texas DPS, and Human Rights Watch supports and advocates for illegal immigration.
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Robert, the statistics you referenced are questionable to say the least. In the UK, immigrants are far more likely to commit crimes.
If you are expecting an honest intellectual interaction with leftists who use personal bias filtering logic and faulty methods to gather and evaluate data to support their beliefs about the data, then you are going to be very disappointed with them.
Leftists don't typically apply much point-vs-counter-point reasoning to what they believe, they simply look for anything which supports their beliefs whilst ignoring all other "minor details" which frequently add up to a "major disconnect" between snippets of supporting data and totality of circumstances, which always presents the clearest picture of objective reality.
I'll provide a more concrete example from my personal life:
While we lived in a house in a gated subdivision a few miles from where we currently live, someone broke into my wife's Cadillac XT5, rummaged through the car for a short while, found nothing to steal, and then hopped back over the fence. We have this person on video and the Police woman who showed up actually took fingerprints and DNA off my wife's XT5. This guy did thousands of dollars worth of damage, but ultimately took nothing because we don't keep anything of value in our vehicles.
My nextdoor neighbor found out about it when she saw the Police cruiser in our driveway, and then she asked to come over to watch the video. She was a black woman and a "proud Texas Democrat" (this is how she "self-identifies"), a first generation legal immigrant like my wife, though from our various interactions with her and her family, not a radical leftist, thankfully. Her grandson was friends with my daughter for awhile, and they played together when his mother or grandmother brought him over, but ultimately he went to a private school while we've always had our children in public schools, so they drifted apart. I counted her husband as a friend of mine, and he was previously in the military, as I was. He worked on radios and some early computer equipment, just as I did, but for the US Army, during the Viet Nam War. I don't think he actually went to Viet Nam, though. He was stationed in Germany. He's since died (not from COVID), but his widow still lives there.
Her first questions to me, before even watching the video with my wife, were:
Q1. Is he black?
Q2. You're a Republican. You have guns. Why didn't you shoot him?
A1. He did have a darker skin tone, but it ultimately turned out that he was NOT black. He wasn't even an American. His fingerprints weren't even in the system because he was an illegal alien. He was later caught while trying to steal a car more than a year after that, which I only learned when the Police woman who took his prints and filed our report relayed that update to me when she saw me working in our yard over a year later. He was tried in court and was deported, but the crime he was convicted of did NOT include his break-in of my wife's vehicle, despite the fingerprint and DNA evidence collected at the scene. That means he committed at least 2 separate felony crimes that I know of, but the crime against us did not "count" towards the total. Unfortunately for me, and possibly the second victim, that didn't mean I wasn't still required to pay for the damages he caused. It would be completely absurd to think he committed zero crimes between the time he broke into my wife's vehicle and his arrest. It would be equally absurd to think my wife's vehicle was the very first one he ever broke into.
A2. I didn't "shoot him" because this happened around 4AM in the morning while I was asleep because I had to work the next day like every other law abiding citizen, and he never tried to break into our house. He didn't do anything to put my family in danger, so he was never worth the cost of the ammo, much less the legal fees for the subsequent court case. You can legally shoot someone who is committing a major crime here in Texas, but you cannot avoid the (rightful and lawful, IMO) trier-of-fact scrutiny following the decision to do so. I don't go out looking for trouble, either, because I'm not a criminal and have no desire to interact with criminals if there's any choice in the matter. I would much prefer to have the Police do what they're tasked with doing.
What did I learn from that interaction and others with my Democrat neighbor?
She was so certain that the perpetrator belonged to a specific racial group that she ignored other possibilities.
Why did she think that?
It was her personally prejudiced beliefs, plain and simple. In a follow-on conversation with her weeks later, she admitted this to me. She was previously the victim of a home invasion, and the perpetrator was a black man. She made the logical leap to "the perpetrator of this crime must also be black because someone who was black perpetrated a crime against me" vs "let's watch the video so we know who this is if we seem him again and then let the Police and courts do their job". After the courtroom results, then we can make some semi-informed judgements about what actually happened. Leftists, and more than a few rightists, really don't like this "wait and see" method of evaluating reality. Even after my neighbor saw the video, she still insisted that he was black. I was much "less sure" that her assumption was correct, because he looked a lot like various people I've seen from South American countries. I can't remember if he was identified as being from El Salvador or Guatemala (I don't have "total recall" of all details 9 years after the fact), but I do remember that he was deported after his trial. For all I know, he came right back due to the refusal of President Biden's administration to enforce our immigration laws. I happen to think two major crimes are enough. I also think both crimes should count towards the total, not simply the one he was convicted of. I further think he would not be in America if we were enforcing our immigration laws. I can only wonder about how many crimes he actually committed because our government decided protecting their own people was not their first and most important duty.
Democrats, and leftists especially, tend to substitute their prejudiced personal beliefs and learned biases for a "totality of circumstances" view of objective reality. There are more than a few Republicans I've met who hold similar views for what I presume to be similar reasons, but I also find they are at least willing to consider alternative explanations that disagree with the assumptions they've made because most of them are still more interested in "what is true" vs "my beliefs were validated". Regardless, people who do this tend to make "big picture"-deficient assumptions and worse decisions as a result. Sometimes it works in their favor, but most of the time it leaves the person who holds such beliefs with a very contorted perception of reality. If you ever provide a perfectly valid counter-point or pertinent bit of data that doesn't support their belief system, they don't even consider altering their beliefs accordingly, they immediately try to find some way to discredit the new information presented to them. It's a "bias-based information rejection" vs "information assimilation" belief system. It's quite common, but a terrible way to both evaluate new information and make major decisions.
What does all of this "add up to" as it relates to my interactions with leftists?
Whether my interaction was in-person or through back-and-forth over the internet, the majority of leftists care more about finding ways to feel morally or intellectually superior to others by having their belief system validated than they do about whether or not they're actually helping anyone but themselves. This system of interacting with the world produces horrific results when applied to public policy.
The illiegal migrants flooding into the US are the same sort of people. How do you account for the divergence between UK statistics and the stats you referenced?
There is nothing "uniquely bad" about muslims, relative to any other immigrant population. That said, people who are perfectly willing to knowingly break the law to obtain something they want from someone else are most likely to repeat that pattern of behavior because doing so worked for them in the past. Why would they deviate from the behavior that obtained what they wanted? This sort of information may be obtained by attending Psychology 101 in college.
None of the adult muslim immigrants who enter the UK illegally are "unaware" that what they are doing is illegal, because it's also illegal in their nation of origin, as well as all other nations. There are no nations on Earth where it is "legal" to rape, rob, or murder someone, either. That means certain behaviors are universally adjudicated as "criminal behaviors", and therefore do not change merely because you entered into another nation. Similarly, there are no nations on Earth where it is legal to cross national borders without permission from their respective governments. You may be able to "get away with it" in certain places where there is little to no effective law enforcement present, but those examples are universally crimes that carry significant prison sentences, if not capital punishment as well in the case of rape and murder.
Consistent enforcement of laws that does not make allowances for any superficial physical characteristics is the only valid way to maintain a civil society. Any other policy will result in an increasingly uncivil society that denigrates its own citizens and foreigners alike. This should not be what we advocate for nor permit to continue by electing people who value consistency over appearances and emotions. There cannot be special classes of people subject to special application of the law in a civil society.
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I already did that. 70% of illegal aliens respondents, who were not worried about their illegal status being used against them, said they do not report crimes to the Police when queried.
Just because you said it, does not make it reality. That's not proof, it's not data. Your claim that criminals do not report crimes? That can be said for US-born citizens as well. Most citizens are not criminals, but you fail to take into account crimes committed by US-born citizens.
This demonstrates simply that you are prejudiced. You assume all immigrants are illegal, and you assume all immigrants are criminals. You won't let reality sway your prejudice.
BTW: I have mentioned that I worked in a suburb of Richmond Virginia for 6 months in 1996, and in Miami Florida for 9 1/2 months. The Miami contract was supposed to be for 12 months, so wasn't expecting early termination. The manager who's budget paid my wage wanted to keep me, but computer department concocted an excuse to get rid of me. Staff told me they did the same with my predecessor. Anyway, stayed to the end of the month, so lived in Miami for a total of 10 months. During those periods, I was an immigrant. I had a TN work visa, and an American Social Security card, so definitely legal. In fact, Miami-Dade County had the FBI do a background check on me, granted reliability security clearance. That's the lowest level of security clearance, definitely not "secret", but was government security clearance. Again the point: I was an immigrant. Does this mean you're prejudiced against me too?
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RobertDyck,
Just because you said it, does not make it reality. That's not proof, it's not data.
I'm not making personal claims here. I provided a link to findings of studies and reports compiled on illegal aliens, criminality, and reporting of crimes. By your argument, which is fallacious, a census does not count as "proof" of anything, either, because it has not been adjudicated by a trier-of-fact (court of law), except that it is, and gets used as the basis for all sorts of public services and government representation.
Your claim that criminals do not report crimes?
When someone knows they are guilty of a crime, they tend not to report other crimes against them when doing so would result in legal action taken against them as well.
That can be said for US-born citizens as well.
You are correct, sir!
People who are already criminals tend not to report crimes against them. We have criminals on tape committing crimes against other prisoners while in our prisons system, yet the victim who a crime was perpetrated against, by another criminal, refuses to acknowledge that a crime even took place, much less testify against the other criminal, even when doing so leads to a reduced sentence.
Most citizens are not criminals, but you fail to take into account crimes committed by US-born citizens.
Since we already have plenty of citizens who are criminals, can you tell me why we need to add to the total number of criminals in America by importing foreign nationals, more than a few of whom are also hardened criminals themselves, without so much as bothering to check IDs or run a background check at the border?
That was what we did under President Biden. Even when they knew the illegal alien in question was a convicted felon, they still released them into the interior of the United States. That seems utterly insane to me, but that's exactly what they did. The law is crystal clear about what should've been done, but Democrats don't seem to accept that laws apply to them as well as everyone else. They think they get to pick-and-choose which laws to enforce if they win an election. That was never how the law is supposed to work. Now we're back to enforcing the law again. That means all the known felons who were convicted of major crimes before entry, or suspected of such crimes after entry into the United States, are getting rounded up and imprisoned or deported. They never should've been allowed to roam free in America in the first place.
That was the thrust of my argument, which you ignore because you're more fixated on "being right" than "actually being compassionate".
This demonstrates simply that you are prejudiced. You assume all immigrants are illegal, and you assume all immigrants are criminals. You won't let reality sway your prejudice.
I assume that all illegal aliens are criminals, because United Sates Code says it's illegal to enter into the United States without permission granted by our federal government. This is a federal felony, and a felony is a crime. You are free to argue what you think the law should be, but my arguments relate to what the law is, rather than what I wish it was.
Again the point: I was an immigrant. Does this mean you're prejudiced against me too?
If you entered into the United States legally, then you have my support. I would hope you have the support of all Americans. Through fidelity to our laws, you have the right to expect and should receive all the protections of law afforded to any other American citizen.
If you entered the United States illegally, then you should go back to wherever you came from and submit an application to become an American citizen if you wish to live here. If your only crime was entering the United States illegally, both Democrat and Republican administrations have maintained that they will continue to impartially evaluate and grant re-entrance back into the United States and citizenship. To wit, this interpretation of immigration law and its application has not changed for a very long time.
The United States has the most generous immigration policy of any nation because we are a nation of immigrants. The desire to come to America, which we encourage and support, does not mean your first act on American soil should be breaking our immigration laws.
I've been to Canada twice in my life. In both cases I showed my passport to the Canadian authorities and waited patiently to be granted entry. At no time did I ever ignore Canadian immigration laws simply because I wanted to enter Canada and couldn't be bothered with obtaining permission from the Canadian government.
I've been to Mexico once in my life, for work. Same deal. I presented my passport, answered all of their questions about why I came to Mexico, and once they were satisfied with my answers I was sent on my way.
If Canada or Mexico refused to grant entry to me, then I would've gone back the way I came- no arguments, no threats, no attempts to "sneak in" away from a legal entry point in the dead of night. The reason for that is quite simple. I respect the people of Canada and Mexico enough to respect their government's decision about whether or not I am permitted to be in their country as an invited guest. As an American, I think I have the right to expect the same thing of people who choose to come to America. That is completely fair and in no way prejudiced against anyone.
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ICE is attacking other people, not just illegal migrants. Both individuals shot and killed in Minneapolis were US-born citizens. ICE has captured many individuals who had permanent residency. Last March a Canadian actress was arrested, held for 12 days. She had a work visa, but ICE decided to invalidate it. ICE claimed it had been invalidated before her work trip to Mexico to film a scene, but nobody bothered to tell her. I don't believe that, they chose to arrest her even though she had a valid work visa, and invalidated the visa after the fact.
If you're still obsessed over illegal migrants. In 1986, Ronald Regan solved all immigration issues. But employers pressured Congress to remove all penalties for violating the rules. Employers want workers to be illegal, so they can pay them below minimum wage, and work them in unsafe, unlawful conditions. This is what rich spoiled brats who control Congress want. Don't blame the migrant workers; they're just doing what was expected of them.
And as for Minnesota: do you seriously believe there are any illegal immigrants there? He's harassing that state because they voted Democrat.
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It seems that the USA and the entire West have now become victims of the covert methods of the KGB, which are bringing disintegration and undermining all the social institutions of our civilization, starting from Christian ethics and ending with everything else. This was a well-thought-out secret revenge of the Moscow KGB for the collapse of the USSR. Epstein Island was one of the worst examples of those covert methods of the KGB, which were done by foreign hands and under a foreign flag, and by the hands of secret mafias that themselves had been quietly doing this for a long time, and then came under the control of the KGB. As a result, most leaders of the USA and the West have been making key decisions incorrectly for a long time, under the influence of a secret fear of an unknown force that could jeopardize and destroy their lives. Instead of biting each other in lengthy discussions, in which each of the opponents sees only his own part of the truth, it would probably be more useful for you to look at the general disappointing picture from this angle. In the times of the USSR, there was a defector from the Moscow KGB, his name was Yuri Bezmenov, he spoke in his interviews in the West about some of the methods by which the KGB planned to secretly destroy the USA and the West as a whole. You argue among yourselves, not understanding what is happening, not understanding what those secret methods of the KGB have done to all of you. We in Ukraine were also destroyed by those methods, and we were also destroyed by your hands, and this was obviously in favor of Moscow. Because of Moscow's war against Ukraine, and also because of the USA attack on Moscow's ally Venezuela, and the threat to the regime in Iran, a lot has become known. Behind all that chaos, behind all that moral degradation, stands the Moscow KGB, which operates with foreign hands and under foreign flags, and through entire chains of foreign hands and foreign flags. With such methods, the KGB takes control of key people and entire ruling classes of the US and the West, and then your democratic society simply does not know what is happening.
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@yuri.
True.
And putin owns trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxjYrhlMAQ
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can u imagine, the catastrophe, the dismantling of nato and the usa eu cooperation trump has done.
he has done so much damage to the western world it can never be told in words.
how much russia and china have benefited on him it is just insane.
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RobertDyck,
We've been over this before. Renee Good and Alex Pretti decided to follow federal law enforcement officers around Minneapolis and physically attack them while they were in the process of arresting people who had warrants for their arrest.
If Alex Pretti had continued working at his hospital like any other ICU nurse, then he'd still be alive today. If Renee Good did not drive 50 miles away from where she lived and her kids went to school to use her vehicle as a weapon against law enforcement officers, then she'd still be alive today.
Being a pasty white leftist activist is not a shield against consequences if you chase after and assault or attempt to assault law enforcement officers. You do not actually receive any special privileges because you think you are a special person. I'm pleased that these lunatics have finally learned that they don't have any "white privilege", and that people with darker skin tones who were shot by the Police has always been about their behavior towards the Police, not their skin color, but that was still a pointless way to die.
If you, as an American citizen, decide to follow the Police around and physically assault them while they're doing their jobs, then you are also subject to arrest. If you further decide to resist arrest and use or attempt to use lethal weapons against the Police, which both Renee Good and Alex Pretti decided to do, then the Police may then decide to use lethal weapons against you. The Police are not obligated to wait until you actually murder one of them before they use lethal force to subdue you.
You can avoid all of that pointless violence by not chasing after and assaulting law enforcement officers. If they tell you that you're under arrest, it's not a debate. You can choose to surrender, whereupon they will calmly and professionally take you back to their station for questioning, or they will choose to start using force until you either surrender or stop resisting arrest. Those are your only choices unless you can muster enough force to kill every law enforcement officer in the county. If you instead choose to contest the matter in court before a judge and jury of your peers, then you have a much much better chance of finding a sympathetic ear there than you do fighting in the streets with the Police.
Have there been people who were wronged by the Police?
Absolutely. Wearing the uniform doesn't mean you're above reproach. No thinking person would ever believe that.
Are they ever going to receive true justice by attempting to wrong other Police who didn't wrong them?
Never. That's not how the entire concept of justice works.
For all those "I can do whatever I want" type people, who are typically leftists but more generally anyone who grew up without a father figure present during their childhood, my answer to them is, "No, you can't and no, you won't." If you never learned this as a child, then that's a pity, but armed men wearing uniforms will teach you the hard way when you refuse to learn the easy way. You get to do whatever you want when you are completely alone on your own deserted island, because the only person your behavior affects is you. Any time there are two or more people present, we establish rules for acceptable treatment of others. After we debate what the rules should be, we then follow the rules, or there are consequences. We grant authority to specially trained armed men to enforce the rules because if there is no enforcement of society's rules then there is no society.
If you think American society is somehow "uniquely bad", then you are free to leave it at any time and go literally anywhere else in the world.
Last March a Canadian actress was arrested, held for 12 days. She had a work visa, but ICE decided to invalidate it. ICE claimed it had been invalidated before her work trip to Mexico to film a scene, but nobody bothered to tell her. I don't believe that, they chose to arrest her even though she had a valid work visa, and invalidated the visa after the fact.
If they released her, then why is it not obvious that ICE or some other adjacent federal agency within our federal government made a mistake, and then corrected that mistake by releasing her?
If you're still obsessed over illegal migrants.
I think you're obsessed with the fact that the federal government has reverted back to enforcing immigration laws. You never said one word about this when President Obama was in charge and ICE was doing the exact same thing it's doing right now. Either tell me why it was no big deal when ICE was enforcing immigration laws under President Obama, or admit that you can't.
In 1986, Ronald Regan solved all immigration issues.
He did, huh? Lol! All evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, right?
But employers pressured Congress to remove all penalties for violating the rules.
In the very next sentence, it sounds like you're telling me that Ronald Reagan "didn't solve" all immigration issues.
Employers want workers to be illegal, so they can pay them below minimum wage, and work them in unsafe, unlawful conditions. This is what rich spoiled brats who control Congress want.
It sounds like you're complaining to me about the fact that President Trump is separating rich and entitled people from their would-be slaves, exactly as President Lincoln did during the Civil War. Presidents Lincoln and Trump are both Republicans, and Republicans don't allow slave ownership. The Democrats were the political party supporting slave ownership during the Civil War as well. Times change, but the morally reprehensible actions of the Democrats never do. Funny that, if only it was funny. You have all of the puzzle pieces and a picture of the completed puzzle, but you refuse to put the pieces where they go because you don't like what the finished picture shows.
Don't blame the migrant workers; they're just doing what was expected of them.
I don't blame the illegals for how rich entitled Democrats want to exploit other people, but to end the Democrats' latest attempt at exploiting them, they need to go back to where they came from and re-enter America the legal way so they cannot be used by Democrats as pawns in their stupid self-serving slavery game.
And as for Minnesota: do you seriously believe there are any illegal immigrants there? He's harassing that state because they voted Democrat.
Democrats scattered illegals all throughout the interior of America and used many tens of billions of tax dollars to do it. Minneapolis, Minnesota is unique amongst Democrat-run cities in that their state and local government decided they would then fight federal law enforcement over enforcement of our immigration laws. This was done not because the Democrats care about the illegals, but because a local nobody exposed a massive fraud scheme, amounting to about ten billion dollars, that both Walz (Democrat Governor of Minnesota) and Frey (Democrat Mayor of Minneapolis) were complicit in. When President Trump's administration later announced it would investigate the Democrats' latest fraud, rather than accept the loss of their fraud money and start behaving like decent human beings towards their own fellow Americans, Democrats in Minnesota found yet another way to weaponize their corruption against their political enemies. After all of their lunatic idiocy over being cut off from their supply of fraud money from the federal government, Walz and Frey have already flipped, and are now cooperating with ICE and CBP.
ICE is "harassing" every state in America, irrespective of who they voted for. Here in Texas we just call their harassment "immigration enforcement". Our local and state governments cooperate with federal law enforcement agencies, rather than using our state's tax money to fund a network of home-grown terrorist cells who roam around looking for federal law enforcement officers to assault. You are free to believe otherwise, but it won't change reality.
I am thoroughly impressed by your ability to ignore cause-and-effect reasoning and what our actual immigration laws state, but you have thus far failed to present any legally or logically reasonable arguments pertaining to why ICE should not be allowed to enforce immigration laws or why leftists should be allowed to assault federal law enforcement officers who are performing their lawful duties.
If you can formulate any legally and logically consistent arguments as to why federal law enforcement should not be allowed to enforce existing federal immigration laws, then I'm open to discussing them. If this is not about our laws, and is instead being driven by your emotions or beliefs about someone or something you despise, then there's nothing to discuss because nobody can invalidate your feelings. Your feelings are very real to you, but that doesn't mean they're representative of objective reality, only how you feel about it. I'll continue to refute every non-argument and false premise argument presented.
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