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#1 2026-01-15 13:39:21
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Bogs and Bog, Floating Island Technology, and Roller Solar.
To me this somewhat for amusement and learning. But I think it might lead to something useful, so if the administration tolerates it I will work on this. Otherwise, we can delete it.
I have noticed that certain people in the world have created floating islands to make farms on, so that is of interest. Also, Bogs could be places where Carbon could be sequestered, from the atmosphere. Ideally such sequestration could be in association with economically gainful activities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinampa
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Floating islands for farming are innovative solutions that utilize water bodies for agricultural purposes. These islands can be constructed using various materials and designs, such as reeds, mud, or specialized floating structures. Here are some key points about floating islands for farming:
Chinampas: These ancient Aztec floating gardens are still used today in the Valley of Mexico. They consist of small, rectangular plots built on lake beds, surrounded by canals for irrigation and drainage. Chinampas are known for their ability to grow diverse crops and support a balanced ecosystem.
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BioHaven Floating Islands: These islands are designed for farm ponds, treatment ponds, and more. They come in various sizes and can be customized with planting pockets for aquatic or terrestrial plants. BioHaven islands are also used for waterfowl nesting and can be placed in shallow or deep water.
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Floating Riverbanks: These can be planted with edible crops, transforming canal and river banks into floating farms. They provide inspiration and food for local populations and can be positioned next to boats, cafes, or docks.
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Floating Walkways: These can be combined with Floating Ecosystems to create larger floating farms, allowing for easy access for planting and harvesting crops.
1Floating islands for farming offer sustainable and innovative solutions for growing crops in water bodies, supporting both agricultural production and environmental conservation.
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This may have paths to Mars.
Also, though this may have paths to solar energy.
A floating Island might support solar collectors and farming. It might be spun on the water to assist in making the installation sun facing.
https://engineerine.com/portugals-floating-solar-farm/
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Portugal’s Floating Solar Farm: A Renewable Energy Revolution
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I think that the means of floatation of floating islands is partial fermentation and the pickling of the substance of the island. The Oxygen being consumed, decay is retarded. The mass if filled with gas bubbles.
So, I am thinking that you could put new vegetation under the island periodically and perhaps bubble Nitrogen or CO2 under the island to push tiny flotation bubbles under it.
You might put woven mats on top, and maybe bamboo frames on top of that.
Then Solar panels on top of that.
You may or may not promote agriculture on top of the island, under the solar panels.
You may be able to rotate the island during the day so that the solar panels face the sun.
If you are on top of a salt water body, even hypersaline, your flotation will be enhanced, and the salt may help to pickle the biomass under the island.
Should you want to inhibit evaporation, you might put a vapor barrier under the mats that would be put on top of the islands vegetation mass.
On Mars, if you had this in a dome, your pressure could be low inside the dome and you could have hypersaline water.
OK, that opens it a bit. The island is to primarily be made of biological waste.
If you are promoting agriculture on top of it then the nightly dews will settle on the vegetation helping to water it. This most likely would be done on fresh water, but maybe some salt tolerant crop could be grown on salt water.
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#2 2026-01-15 17:36:42
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The idea of a floating island well sized to a pond which could rotate to follow the sun, allowing better solar panel performance, could be hindered by winter ice.
However, moving water can melt holes in ice, on rivers and even lakes.
https://www.elitedockbubbler.com/
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Bubbler systems are effective for melting ice by transferring heat energy from the water to the ice, causing it to melt. Here are some key points about their operation:
Heat Transfer: Bubblers transfer heat energy from the warmer water at the bottom of a lake or pond to the ice cover, which helps to melt the ice.
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Controlled Melting: These systems can reduce ice thickness, allowing ships to pass through or causing ice to break up more easily.
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Environmental Benefits: Using bubbler systems can also improve water quality by adding dissolved oxygen, benefiting aquatic life.
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Installation Considerations: The effectiveness of a bubbler system depends on factors like water depth, temperature, and natural ice cover characteristics.
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So, a pond almost entirely covered by a floating island could retain considerable heat in the water at it's bottom provided the pond were greater than 6 feet deep as I recall.
If you included a means of melting the ice by swirling that warmer water onto the water at the perimeter, of the floating island, you might be able to keep ice from gluing the island in place to the shore. A bubbler method might work.
And during the winter, you might also add heat back into the pond using solar energy.
Such a pond almost fully covered by a floating island, might engage in a simulation of the pickling process of a natural bog. So the decay rate of the floating island might be slow.
While you could rely in part on decay to insert tiny bubbles into the mesh of the floating island, it could be that burning something and then pumping the exhaust under the floating island would do rather nicely, as it would be deficient of Oxygen.
I am not sure how artificial saltwater bogs would work, but the salt might be assistive in pickling the floating island.
As I have said before you might include vapor barriers to reduce evaporation from a saltwater or brine bog, floating island.
The idea of a floating island, is then that it can rotate during the day, helping to present an array of solar panels to the sun, with one degree of mobility, and a bio-bearing.
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#3 2026-01-16 11:29:51
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Re: Bogs and Bog, Floating Island Technology, and Roller Solar.
I have expanded the title of this topic with the phrase ", and Roller Solar".
Both a rotator platform and "Roller Solar" can probably use ganged collective actuation for collections of solar panels mounted on them.
I will reference "Roller Solar" here now, bringing materials into this topic:
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 39#p237139
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 48#p237148
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 54#p237154
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 55#p237155
Buth turntable and roller schemes provide one axis of rotation.
I feel that either could implement rows of solar panels that can have that have mutual linkages that can orient them to the sun.
A visual for that might be vertical or horizontal window blinds.
While this may give the best pose to the sun's movements in the sky, it might also allow the panels to be posed in a manner to endure weather conditions that can cause damage, by wind or hail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_blind
Imagine that this is a collection of solar panels: Image Quote: 
Imagine that the sun is at the left of the image. The panels would be too close together. but the concept is represented.
The primary axis of rotation is to spin horizontal with the floating island, and between vertical and horizontal for the roller.
Each presents a flat surface upon which hinged solar panels can be attached. Linkages can "Gang" these panels.
So for the primary orientation, you could have a singular method of actuation and positioning.
For the flat island, that will be an orientation of the whole structure. For a roller system the roll is the primary be a roll, which will be controlled by a single method of actuation and orientation.
The will both present a flat surface to the sun, upon which a collection of solar panels can be linked to be actuated and positioned as a collection.
To protect from wind, perhaps the solar panels can be "Locked Down" to the flat surface.
To protect from hail, perhaps an approximately vertical position would be appropriate. But that might expose the panels to damage from the wind. So, not perfect protection.
Otherwise, orientation can be according to energy concerns.
A solar panel may have a cooling pigment on its back side, and in the night might lie flat with that cooling surface exposed to the sky.
So, if you have a water reservoir, you might cool it at night and use the cooled water to cool the solar panels during the day.
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#4 2026-01-17 12:14:58
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So, this bog thing is to some extent a giggle. But it may point in a good direction. Some soils and climates may give permission to do these things. If Carbon in the atmosphere is such a terrible thing then the correct thing to do is to find ways to incorporate Carbon into mechanisms that may benefit people.
There is a possibility that such bogs and floating islands may produce some Methane. But if you can collect it and burn it, then you only emit CO2, but you are on balance sequestering Carbon in the vegetation that you used to make your Floating Island and bog. IF you lay a sheet of poly in a sandwich method into the structure of the floating island you might have a means to collect the Methane. Then burn it and then port the CO2 under the island to be tiny bubbles entrained into the structure of the floating island. Helping tp pickle the vegetation of the floating island.
Most schemes to sequester Carbon require an expenditure of resources to produce nothing. So then just another trick from the Elites to try to render the common people into burdened surfs.
A rotating floating island could have gardens under its solar panels. As there will be lots of water, you can have a sprinkler system that could both ward off frosts, and fight fires.
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#5 2026-02-01 11:04:37
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This looks like almost compatible with some Earth environments and perhaps some future Mars environments: 
So, this mimics a freshwater lens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_(hydrology)
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Don Juan Pond suggests how salty the water could be outside of the fresh water lens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Juan_Pond
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Don Juan PondDon Juan Pond is a small and very shallow hypersaline lake in the western end of Wright Valley (South Fork), Victoria Land, Antarctica, 9 kilometres (5.6 mi) west from Lake Vanda. It is wedged between the Asgard Range to the south and the Dais Range to the north. On the west end is a small tributary[not verified in body] and a rock glacier.
With a salinity level of 45.8%, Don Juan Pond is the saltiest of the Antarctic lakes.[1][2] This salinity causes significant freezing-point depression, allowing the pond to remain liquid even at temperatures as low as −50 °C (−58 °F).
Don Juan Pond was discovered in 1961. It was named for two helicopter pilots, Lt. Don Roe and Lt. John Hickey, who piloted the helicopter involved with the first field party investigating the pond.[2]
The water is probably too salty for most or any life. The cold temperatures are too cold also for life, It looks like.
The fresh water however or less salty water of the Lens is likely to be able to host life.
The "Boat" that would hold the "Lens" could perhaps be made of plastic. Generally, it would be out of the sunlight, and plastics seem to be tolerant of salts.
I have suggested a bamboo deck as I presume it is cheap to produce, but it could be something else. I also think that under the deck might be a vapor barrier to oppose evaporation of water from the lens.
Filling most of the surface of a body of water like the Salton Sea or the Dead Sea, the evaporation rate should be reduced. So the body of water might swell up and become less salty.
A salty body of water in the Great Basin, if it could cut its evaporation rate by 90%, might be fillable from natural rainfall.
But you might need covered canals to route occasional rainwater into the body of water.
IF 5% or 10% of the basin water is exposed, you could still have beaches and spaces for boats to travel between the islands. It might be sensible to divert some of the Colorado River Water to fill such basins.
"Crops" could be grown in the "Lens" water, perhaps using small amounts of light and also chemicals such as Acetate and Oxygen.
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From the prior post:
This looks like almost compatible with some Earth environments and perhaps some future Mars environments:
So, I am going to speculate on Sargasso Seaweed as a crop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargassum
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Sargassum is a genus of brown macroalgae (seaweed) in the order Fucales of the class Phaeophyceae.[1] This brown macroalgae comes from the Sargasso Sea, which was named because it hosts large amounts of Sargassum.[
I have no certainty that it would grow well in giant plastic bags, but.....
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Sustainable uses
Even though Sargassum influxes have already generated significant environmental and economic issues, researchers and industries are considering methods of converting this biomass to sustainable resources.[70] Sargassum is a rich source of carbohydrates, minerals, and bioactive compounds and it has been used as compost or organic fertilizer in the coastal communities, to reduce waste and increase soil productivity.[71][72]More recent research has also investigated the applications of Sargassum in bioremediation and carbon sequestration because it has a high carbon/nitrogen ratio and therefore could be used to take away contaminants and sequester atmospheric CO2.[73] Nonetheless, the presence of high salt and heavy metals in certain Sargassum biomass requires thorough processing prior to agricultural or industrial use.
Recent work has also examined Sargassum as a biosorbent for recovering rare earth elements (REEs). A 2025 study found that Sargassum filipendula efficiently adsorbs REEs across low to high concentrations, with fresh biomass performing especially well at environmentally relevant levels.[74] The species showed high capacities for heavy REEs, maintained effectiveness under high salinity and variable pH, and outperformed activated carbon. This suggests a scalable “algal mining” pathway that could help manage coastal Sargassum while supporting sustainable supplies of critical materials.
As an example, if you started with a saline body of water, you could put these floating islands on them. Consider the Salton Sea.
And don't get hung up on plastics and microplastics. That was just a ploy by the globalists who want to destroy industry so that they can employ you to shovel poo out of there pony barn on their nice green estates. Their game is to knock you down so that they can be above you and yet not ascend at all as people.
The Salton Sea is too salty for fish or will be soon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea
https://saltonseaactioncommittee.org/faq/
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Approximately 55 parts per thousand
The Salton Sea is approximately 55 parts per thousand (PPT), making it significantly saltier than ocean water, which is about 35 PPT. The salinity of the Salton Sea increases every year due to evaporation and the inflow of approximately 4 million tons of salt annually. Currently, it is more than twice as salty as the Pacific Ocean.
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I recall reading at one time that in general salinity twice that of sea water is about the limit of what some fish can tolerate.
Here is a list of salt tolerant fishes which lived or might even still live in the Salton Sea: https://pondinformer.com/salton-sea-fish-species/
Water filled plastic bags or rigid structure might float on the Salton Sea, if filled with water that is less salty than that of the Salton Sea. So, they could be floats.
If a platform were put on top of that it might shelter the floats from UV light. On the platforms you might put solar panels. The resulting floating islands and the panels might follow the sun. While the floats might contain fresh water, water about the saltiness of sea water +/k-??? might support something like Sargasso Seaweed. I have no test data on that. I want to speculate on that because as it is an Algae, it might like microalgae be able to be sustained on Oxygen and Acetate, in the dark.
https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2022/06/2 … t-sunshine
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Artificial photosynthesis can produce food without sunshine
Scientists are developing artificial photosynthesis to help make food production more energy-efficient here on Earth, and one day possibly on Mars
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Experiments showed that a wide range of food-producing organisms can be grown in the dark directly on the acetate-rich electrolyzer output, including green algae, yeast, and fungal mycelium that produce mushrooms. Producing algae with this technology is approximately fourfold more energy efficient than growing it photosynthetically. Yeast production is about 18-fold more energy efficient than how it is typically cultivated using sugar extracted from corn.
So, it is my expectation that any surface of such a body of water covered by such a device should have minimum evaporation. So, more water should accumulate in the body of water, and the saltiness should be diluted.
IF you could grow a crop in the dark, using Acetate, and Oxygen, you may subject it to a process. You might ferment it to produce Methane, or you might subject it to Pyrolysis, to produce gasses and Carbon heavy solids.
The CO2 needed to make the Acetate might came from the brine of the lake or from the atmosphere. Some of the produced products, Methane, Carbon Solids, might be manufacture into higher quality Carbon products. Certain parts of the floating islands might in part be manufactured that way.
Here is a topic that deals with that: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11299
The lake then could swell up to occupy its former shorelines, then covering the toxic dry lake bottom dusts.
https://www.inovynawards.com/ocean-sun- … -typhoons/
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While you could have multiple rotator floating islands, you could fill in the gaps with non-rotating platforms between the rotators.
So, you might reduce the evaporation from the Salton Sea down to!% to 10% depending how you did it.
If the Salton Sea gets too high, you simply pump the excess salty water to another basin, and begin setting that one up the same way.
I think that you could bring fishing/fish back to the Salton Sea doing only some of this.
Actually, I think that if you could drop the evaporation down to 1% of normal you could just fill basins with rainwater in the Great Basin.
The heat of the sun and of the day would be rejected into the air and sky above the islands, but the solar panel structures might serve as radiators at night.
So, the water might not get too hot.
This process could pull Carbon out of the atmosphere, to regulate the climate which the Greens who want us to be poo shovelers are so worried about.
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FYI, some of the Carbon captured could be incorporated into the water floats.
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Repeating materials but I hope to show things even better: https://www.youtube.com/live/DVhJQ0WDv2s
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Carbon is the New Metal
As I understand it they are splitting Methane (CH4) to produce their Carbon products and end up with Hydrogen as a byproduct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_fermentation
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Precision fermentation is a biotechnology process that uses microorganisms, such as bacteria, fungi, or yeasts, to produce specific biological molecules. This method involves rewriting the DNA of these microorganisms to "brew" ingredients that are molecularly identical to those found in nature, allowing for the production of food ingredients without the need for traditional farming. It is used to create high-value compounds like proteins, enzymes, and biofuels, ensuring high yields and purity. Historically, precision fermentation has been utilized for decades to produce common ingredients like rennet and citric acid.
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Precision Fermentation can be done with Hydrogen and Atmospheric CO2:https://www.biologie.rwth-aachen.de/cms/biologie/forschung/fachbereiche/publikationen/~fmtva/details/?file=1021396&lidx=1
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Precision fermentation with hydrogen is a promising approach in biotechnology, particularly in food production. This method utilizes genetically engineered microorganisms to produce high-value biomolecules, such as proteins and pharmaceuticals, with high yield and purity. The process involves several interconnected stages, including strain development, upstream fermentation, downstream purification, and final formulation. Precision fermentation is particularly beneficial for producing smaller biologic modalities, such as peptides and antibody fragments, due to its cost-effectiveness and efficiency across various scales.
biologie.rwth-aachen.dePrecision fermentation with hydrogen is expected to play a significant role in sustainable nutrition and the development of next-generation therapeutics. By leveraging microbial fermentation, this technology can create climate-friendly dairy alternatives, next-gen therapeutics, and circular materials, aligning with global sustainability goals.
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Cellular Agriculture may be similar in production.
Biogas could come from either a digester or using pyrolysis.
https://www.motherearthnews.com/sustain … z14aszrob/
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Make a Biogas Generator to Produce Your Own Natural Gas
Transform grass clippings, food waste and livestock manure into renewable energy via a homemade biogas generator.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis
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(PDF) Safety assessment of the process RE‐PET, based on EREMA Basic technology, used to recycle post‐consumer PET into food contact materials
Pyrolysis is a thermochemical process that involves the heating of organic materials in the absence of oxygen, leading to their decomposition. This process produces valuable products such as gases, liquids (like bio-oil), and solids (like char). Pyrolysis is particularly useful for treating various organic materials, including biomass, plastics, and hazardous waste, as it can break down complex compounds into simpler substances. The process typically occurs at high temperatures, often above 500 °C, and is applied in fields such as energy production, recycling, and waste management.
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So, you might have to electrolyze some water as well to keep the Hydrogen content up, but you could run this process inside of plastic bags filled with fresh or salty water that float on top of salty bodies of water.
And you may be able to make floating islands that you can put solar power equipment on to generate the needed electricity.
Those islands might be able to rotate to follow the sun east to west, and the panels may be linked together like window blinds to also follow the sunup and down.
Many salty reservoirs might be possible to build on desert shorelines of the oceans and also inland, in marginal land.
So, the process may generate products from precision fermentation and Cellular Agriculture, and to pull CO2 from the atmosphere.
If so, then it may be practical to burn all the hydrocarbons that can be found and accessed.
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So, actually I was a hurry on the last post. I believe that microbes that you might feed CO2 and H2, will create Methane and the other products of their metabolism.
https://news.berkeley.edu/2025/08/14/sc … f-methane/
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Microbes that eat hydrogen and create methane include methanogens, which are anaerobic archaea that produce methane as a byproduct of their energy metabolism. They thrive in oxygen-free environments such as wetlands, rice fields, and the digestive tracts of animals. Methanogens utilize hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and other organic compounds to generate methane through a process called methanogenesis, which is a form of anaerobic respiration.
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So, energy-wise, I believe that it is easier to split Methane with electrolysis than it is to split water.
So, this anerobic process could be used in Precision Fermentation and also Cellular Agriculture, I believe.
I think the process could be useful in creating Carbon products and also in making plastics.
And I think this could work on Mars with some alterations.
If the ability to build Carbon products is a thing that keeps growing, then Venus would be valuable for both Nitrogen and Carbon, provided that the products would be useful in the atmosphere, or if some method to lift things to orbit on Venus emerges.
And then as you go our in the solar system to the Outer Asteroid Belt, Carbon is plenty, and then also presumed to be in the moons of the outer planets, and part of Pluto and other dwarf planets.
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Here then is a "Water Pontoon" scheme: 
If you were to suppress the wave mixing action of the Salton Sea, you might turn the whole thing into a solar salt pond.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_pond
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Solar Salt Pond
A solar salt pond is a large body of saltwater that collects and stores solar thermal energy, providing a sustainable source of heat and power. The process involves evaporating water out of brine using sunlight, leaving behind pure sodium chloride crystals as residue. This method is known for its high purity and is used in various applications, including water softening, cooking, and as a general-purpose seasoning. Solar salt ponds are particularly attractive for rural areas in developing countries due to their ability to harness solar energy for electricity generation and other thermal energy uses.
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With most of the body of water, such as the Salton Sea covered in floating island for solar energy and also bio-farming, the waves suppressed, so then mixing suppressed, you intentionally use heat pumps to extract heat from the upper waters and add it to the lower waters. You also induce salt gradients.
Having done this then the upper waters may be suitable for fish to live in as you have pushed some of the salt down to the bottom of the reservoir.
And when convenient you might then extract the heat for some process you desire to maintain. You actually might be able to run a heat engine from it even.
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When the sun's rays contact the bottom of a shallow pool, they heat the water adjacent to the bottom. When water at the bottom of the pool is heated, it becomes less dense than the cooler water above it, and convection begins. Solar ponds heat water by impeding this convection. Salt is added to the water until the lower layers of water become completely saturated. High-salinity water at the bottom of the pond does not mix readily with the low-salinity water above it, so when the bottom layer of water is heated, convection occurs separately in the bottom and top layers, with only mild mixing between the two. This greatly reduces heat loss, and allows for the high-salinity water to get up to 90 °C while maintaining 30 °C low-salinity water.[1] This hot, salty water can then be pumped away for use in electricity generation, through a turbine or as a source of thermal energy.
This is perhaps a case where at times your heat pumps might extract heat from the solar panels in addition to the electricity generated. Then to heat the bottom water. Then at night the solar panels to behave as radiators, and again if desired to reject heat into the solar panels using a heat pump system. To some extent this may extract energy from the day/night cycle.
A very important sub-part of this is to extract CO2 from the air directly or indirectly from the Salton Sea.
So, then to use it to produce plastics and Carbon products, and to regulate the climate of a planet.
For Mars this may be possible when the entire amount of CO2 available is vaporized into the atmosphere, but certain revisions of method may be needed.
For Mars, it can be expected that the process will leak Hydrocarbons into the atmosphere which would be assistive to further terraform the planet.
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About Microplastics. Of course I like this as it favors my views: https://backreaction.blogspot.com/2026/ … -says.html Quote:
Wednesday, February 04, 2026
Microplastics: What the Evidence Really Says
You’ve probably seen the headlines about microplastics, which claim that the micrometer-scale bits of plastic are everywhere, causing a wide variety of health issues. But while the headlines get more and more extreme, the scientific research on microplastics doesn’t actually support the media’s claims. Let’s take a look.
My own view of the process of civilization is that it turns wine into vinegar. At first the wilderness people create civilization which is sweet. They can do so, because the wilderness has given them "Blue Collar Skills". But they have enough verbal skills as well to share with each other on plans.
The Vinegar stage gives us the "Verbal and Violent" who displace the genes and memes of the more useful people of transition from wilderness to initial "Sweet" civilization.
From there survival of genes and memes depends more and more on predation from the Vinegar people, upon the wealth and life's of the productivity of the transition people.
The Industrial Revolution gave us a reprieve form the total power of the Vinegar people.
And they, the Vinegar People have been struggling to take us as slaves again all along.
So, the made untruth about fracking, and then about plastics, and then microplastics.
Anything to stifle "Blue Collar Power" and to promote green plantation owners where little by little the useful genes and memes can be replaced by "Vinegar" versions.
So, it is so stupid to worry about microplastics, when they come from the fabrics we use and also from things like car tires.
The author above seems to have a very good mind. That is a form of relief from the general "Vinegar" stupidity we usually have to deal with.
https://iee.psu.edu/news/blog/microplas … t-yourself
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Microplastics originate from various sources, including the breakdown of larger plastic items, synthetic textiles, vehicle tires, and personal care products.
Key Sources of Microplastics
Breakdown of Larger Plastics: Microplastics can form when larger plastic debris, such as bottles and bags, degrade into smaller fragments due to environmental factors like sunlight, friction, and weathering. This process creates what are known as secondary microplastics.
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Synthetic Textiles: Washing synthetic clothing releases thousands of microfibers into wastewater. These microfibers are a significant contributor to microplastic pollution, as they can enter water systems and eventually the food chain.
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Vehicle Tires: As tires wear down, they shed tiny particles that contribute to microplastic pollution. It is estimated that tire wear accounts for a substantial percentage of microplastics released into the environment.
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Personal Care Products: Many personal care items, such as exfoliating scrubs and toothpaste, have historically contained microbeads—tiny plastic particles designed for scrubbing. Although many countries have banned these, they still contribute to microplastic pollution.
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Household Items: Everyday items like plastic chopping boards and microwavable containers can leach microplastics into food, especially when heated. This highlights the pervasive nature of microplastics in our daily lives.
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Urban Dust and Road Markings: Microplastics can also be found in urban dust, which is a mix of various particles, including those from road markings and construction materials.
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Microplastics are a widespread environmental issue, originating from a variety of sources, including the breakdown of larger plastics, synthetic textiles, vehicle tires, and personal care products. Their presence in the environment raises concerns about their impact on ecosystems and human health. Understanding these sources is crucial for developing strategies to mitigate microplastic pollution.
Communism and Fascism will not protect you from the "Verbal and Violent" "Vinegars". In fact these are special roads to "Vinegar Hell".
My intentions are to have plastic pontoons that support solar equipment. I intend that the plastics will generally be shielded from things that make them break down, such as Ultraviolet Light.
I microplastics go into the water, I am hoping that they may settle into the sediments of such a body of water.
Anyway the great hope is that space may provide a useful wilderness for our people to provide habitat for their escape from the "Verbal and Violent Vinegars".
This then perhaps to forestall the death of the human mind from the process of the Vinegars.
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Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
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