Data Centers (Including Off World)

Void · 2025-12-28 20:16:01

If this is redundant then give me instructions and corrections can be made.

This seems to be useful for an introduction: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … 7af08cdd97 Quote:

Predicted Elon's Mars AI Plan One Year Ago
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I a few weeks ago that "inference Compute" can tolerate space radiation fairly well.

Now I understand that "Training Compute", needs more shelter than that.

https://www.clarifai.com/blog/training-vs-inference/
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Two distinct phases in the AI lifecycle
Inference Compute and Training Compute
Inference Compute and Training Compute are two distinct phases in the AI lifecycle. Training Compute involves feeding labeled examples into an algorithm to learn patterns and relationships, while Inference Compute is when the trained model applies those patterns to new data. Training is typically done offline and involves high-performance GPUs or TPUs, whereas Inference Compute can run on diverse hardware, including servers and edge devices, and is often more resource-intensive due to its continuous operation.
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So inference in orbit is best with lower time latency, I believe I understand, but training can be useful even if on the Moon and/or Mars, if it is sufficiently protected from radiation and if abundant cooling and of course energy are available.

So, the cold of polar craters on the Moon and Ice bodies on Mars, are valuable if they are coupled with massive amounts of energy.

For the Moon orbital power stations probably could beam power to the craters, but surface energy would be good also.

For Mars, solar power satellites could make sense, as you have Phobos and Deimos for raw materials to build them out of. Of course dust storm activity is some degree of problem for Mars, at this time.

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tahanson43206 · 2025-12-28 20:19:38

This post is reserved for an index to posts that may be contributed by NewMars members.

This is certainly an important topic.

It is in a Category called Business Proposals....

This Category is intended for serious proposals and it is NOT intended for the kind of speculation that is encouraged elsewhere in the forum.

The content of this forum should be designed to lead to funding.

The proposal will show how a given investment will lead to a steady return for a number of years.

Index:

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Void · 2025-12-28 20:27:42

(th) you can move this or clone it somewhere else if you like as I feel that this topic can also be useful to train members to understand the contents of the topic.

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Void · 2025-12-28 20:44:12

If you want a possible business play, (th), "TSLA" (Tesla) may be partnered with SpaceX to build the space Data Centers.

If you own Tesla Stock, and SpaceX does an IPO, you might get consideration on getting a favorable opportunity to buy SpaceX IPO stock.
But that may be conditional on having the stock for some time period. I don't know.

Peter Zeihan seems to think that TESLA is worthless. But he also does not seem to be aware, that TESLA is working with Aluminum and Sodium Batteries. P. Zeihan seems to think that they are subject to Lithium scarcity.

So, for these stocks, "Buyer Be Ware". The danger is always actual. But rewards are also possible.

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tahanson43206 · 2025-12-28 20:44:12

For Void .... thank you for picking up on the intent of this Category. This category is for business proposals intended to secure funding.

Your idea for training activity has great merit. Please present your idea to SpaceNut using the Housekeeping topic.

Meanwhile, since you have created this new topic, please think about how you might be able to turn it into something helpful for readers.

Part of the Google Meeting this evening was the question of how we (Admins and members) can change this forum to increase our ability to help humans who would like to create businesses to support the Mars effort on Earth, or to provide goods and services on Mars.

The humans who are going to be doing those things are alive on Earth right now. They live all around the planet.

The Mars Society has a large and comprehensive set of outreach efforts already in motion. We are not currently part of that activity. We are bumping along the runway and not gaining enough momentum to take off.

Your ambitious initiative here may be accidental, because you may have simply not received guidance on the purpose of the Category. You can develop this topic if you are interested and motivated and (above all) have the time !!! to do so.

Otherwise, it will fade from view in 24 hours and no one will ever see it again, unless a random search turns it up, ten years from now.

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Void · 2025-12-29 10:41:04

I do not advise other people to invest in Tesla, or if a possible SpaceX, but I need to make the point that some people understand, that Tesla is not just a electric car company, but is expanding well beyond that, and is drifting towards, a partnership with SpaceX and other Elon Musk related companies.

The Data Center plan will be connectable with high capability robotics on the Moon. While having some humans on the Moon is a good plan, I think, most manipulation of objects would be done by such a community of AI guided robots.

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Void · 2025-12-29 20:04:00

I will add this attempt:

I am donating the idea, just maybe it would have value or stimulate a better concept.

I you are on a stony world such as the Moon, then Carbon and Nitrogen are in short supply.

In the diagram I show I show a CO2 Pipe nested insider of low pressure O2 filled chambers.

In a gravitational field, we might rely on natural convection to flow cooled O2 against the CO2 pipe. But to hurry up the heat rejection, using fans to make the flow forced and higher speed.

So, we might consider a "Nested String Of Pearls Radiator Method":

The thing is the Pearls protect the CO2 Linear Radiator from things like impactors. If a Pearl gets ruptured, then all you lose is some Oxygen, which on a Stony world or most worlds is extremely abundant and almost a waste gas except for things like humans breathing and fire.

Liquid CO2 might be a coolant for Data Centers directly or could cool water using a heat exchanger.

I believe that if Liquid CO2 freezes it may not rupture the pipes. But water very likely could rupture the pipes.

I hope that this will be a helpful tool for Data Centers in Space.

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Void · 2025-12-30 11:08:54

I think that cold resource will of course be different for different situation.

The one I have suggested so far may be best suitable for the Shadowed Craters of the Moon.

I presume that power will be beamed into the crater, or alternately nuclear energy would be available to power the data centers.

There is some hope that the Moon may have some CO2 in the coldest spots. Otherwise, Carbon might need importing.

The hope is that canisters can be made that will be able to hold a compressed Oxygen volume, at low cost. This would be the outer shell radiator.

On the Moon, impactors might be a problem that could puncture the outer shell, but as I have said before, that shell could just be patched, and the shell be refilled with Oxygen.

https://scitechdaily.com/the-moons-top- … 000-years/
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Approximately 45%
The Moon contains approximately 45% oxygen in its regolith, which is the layer of rock and fine dust covering the lunar surface. This oxygen is trapped within minerals such as silica, aluminum, iron, and magnesium oxides, which dominate the Moon's landscape. If extracted, this oxygen could potentially support human life on the Moon for a very long time, with estimates suggesting enough oxygen to sustain billions of people for about 100,000 years.

So, using Oxygen in canisters as the outer stage radiator, therefore makes sense to me. Also, if Oxygen is needed for an emergency purpose, then these containers will hold some.

I have suggested Oxygen at 1/3 bar, only because I do not want to promote fire and do not want the chamber walls to have to hold a high pressure. But perhaps other pressures will be considered for an advantage after this might be tried.

Then running CO2 filled heat exchangers inside of the chambers, you might use forced convection and even heat pumps to distribute heat from the CO2 into the Oxygen.

At another point elsewhere a heat exchanger might dump heat out of water from a data center into the CO2.

So, perhaps this could be a money printer on the Moon, if it works.

https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/int … ng-241578/
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The concept of 3D printing metal shells on the Moon is still in the early stages of development, but several projects are paving the way for this ambitious goal. Here are some key points to consider:
Metal 3D Printing: The first metal 3D printer for space, developed by Airbus for the European Space Agency (ESA), is set to be tested aboard the ISS. This printer will enable the production of load-bearing structural parts that are more resilient than plastic equivalents, greatly improving astronauts' autonomy.
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Lithography-based Metal Manufacturing (LMM): Incus, in collaboration with the ESA, OHB System, and Lithoz, has demonstrated the feasibility of using recycled metal waste for 3D printing in a lunar environment. This technology, known as LMM, uses photopolymerization to create advanced metal parts.
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Sustainability and Zero-Waste: The LMM process is designed to be sustainable and zero-waste, making it a promising candidate for producing high-quality printed parts directly on the Moon. The project aims to turn lunar scrap metals and resources into high-quality printed parts, enabling the production of spare parts directly on the Moon.
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In-Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU): The concept of ISRU involves leveraging available materials in space to support ongoing missions, such as creating fuel, building materials, or constructing spare parts. This approach aligns with the goal of establishing a viable lunar economy.
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Challenges and Solutions: While 3D printing in space presents its own set of technical challenges, such as size and contamination by lunar dust, companies like Incus are working on solutions to overcome these obstacles. Their Hammer Lab35 printer uses recycled titanium powder and has shown strength comparable to conventional metal injection molded titanium parts.
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These developments indicate a promising future for 3D printing metal shells on the Moon, with the potential to significantly reduce the dependence on Earth for manufacturing materials and support a sustainable lunar economy.
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Created canisters might have features which may be protective from punctures from impactors. Scale like radiator fins might absorb some impacts without impactors actually puncturing the Oxygen envelope.

It might also be possible to make structures out of glassy materials as well.

It might be possible to transmit power with lasers into the craters. The laser sources could be high spots on the Moon, or even orbital devices.

Special tuned solar cells can receive these laser beams with a fair efficiency.

https://interestingengineering.com/spac … y-to-earth
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The concept of transmitting power in space using laser beams is a promising technology that could revolutionize energy distribution. Here are some key points about this innovative approach:
Space-based Power Transmission: Companies like Aetherflux and Overview Energy are developing systems to harvest solar energy in orbit and beam it back to Earth, enhancing global energy distribution.
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DARPA's POWER Program: DARPA's Persistent Optical Wireless Energy Relay (POWER) program has set records for transmitting power over distance, demonstrating the feasibility of wirelessly sending power across miles.
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NTT Space Environment and Energy Laboratories: This research focuses on space solar power systems (SSPSs) that convert solar energy into laser light or microwaves on a geostationary satellite orbiting the Earth, transmitting it to the ground for use.
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Laser Wireless Power Transmission: The Laser-based SSPS (L-SSPS) aims to send solar-powered laser energy from space to Earth, where it is converted into electricity.
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These advancements in laser technology and space-based power transmission are paving the way for a more efficient and sustainable energy future. [^image1^]

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Of course, on the Moon you don't have to be concerned with atmosphere.

So, maybe Tesla & SpaceX and others can establish an industry on the Moon for AI training.

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