The Moon

Void · 2025-10-18 11:31:47

FYI, I have done two posts before this one, today, on this topic.

The 70's and 80's had a notion of extracting things from the Moon to build things in orbit.

But now it seems obvious that it will be rather easy to provide power to locations on the Moon, 24/7,

So, for I have avoided mass driver notions and their like and also tethers to snatch things to orbit. I do not oppose those, but think they are beyond my abilities to be expert in. I will welcome them if they can be done. It seems though that some chemical launch methods may be practical, or that asteroid materials can be brought in to make power plants to send power to the Moon, at least to start.

One thing I am interested in is if Neumann Drive or Magdrive could be a matter projector from the Moon? Could you vacuum weld projected matter to an orbiting target?

At I am somewhat lacking as much knowledge about MagDrive as for Neumann Drive. It turns out now that Magdrive apparently can use most metals for propellants. I do not know if it can use Silicon. But I believe that Neumann Drive can use Silicon and Aluminum which will each be important for solar power plants in orbit.

https://neumannspace.com/
Here is included a list of propellants for electric ion drives: https://neumannspace.com/metal-propellants/

I think if a substance is electrically conductive it can be used as a propellant. Most elements apparently have that capability.

Consider a magnetic Beard in a orbital cup: https://fineartamerica.com/featured/2-i … brary.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/group … -299911407
Image Quote:

Point the beard down towards the Moon.

Here is my attempt:

Iron can be magnetized to provide the magnetic filings "Beard". But Hot Iron will not be magnetic until cooled down.
Aluminum can have some inductive reactance.
Silicon might be catchable.

My hope would be that suborbital particles projected from the surface of the Moon would intercept the beard and be entrained into it and even vacuum welt to the magnetic particles. I am hoping to accumulate and not to disintegrate the Beard cup.

The cup may be orbiting at a rather low altitude. Some method to propel the Beard-Cup is needed, perhaps Neumann Drive or Magdrive.

Perhaps it could be pushed with an electron beam from the surface of the Moon.

Thinking bigger you might eventually even build an orbiting ring around the Moon or a planet like Mercury, but that is even more of a fantasy.

I suppose rotavators might also be a more sensible plan for the Moon.

But the point is if you could get massive amounts of Mass into orbit you could build orbital power supplies for the Moon, to serve many purposes on the Moon such as the support of data centers.

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Last edited by Void (2025-10-18 12:06:49)

Void · 2025-10-21 19:18:21

Some won't like this video as there is some amount of propaganda gloating for China and a bit of put-down for the USA. But even so, the information is important.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VRDGAR Quote:

China Discovers a Staggering 270 Billion Tons of Liquid Water Hidden on the Moon!
YouTube
Tech Teller
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I don't see the USA as earning that much put down, but it does explain why NASA has begun harassing SpaceX. They must be getting pressure from powerful politicians.

I was around when the space program was stifled. I know the mentality of the people who stifled it.

Unfortunately, the character of the USA is good much of the time, but sometimes it eats its own children rather than to promote them to greatness.

China and others are not without their own problems/faults. But they are entitled to be pleased that they disserve recognition for this.

As for the US and other countries like it, we are in our European parts, a combination of remnants of Hunter Gathers, Farmers, and the Steppe peoples. I consider that they each bring gifts and also problems.

The Steppe peoples somewhat may be more mobile and having the technology of that.

The Farmers though produce a problem which is the excessive building of Hierarchy built too much on verbal skills. If the Hierarchy can cause the skilled in violence to obey it, then the masses can be enslaved. A threat to this power pyramid is technology. Apollo produced to many technologically skilled people with them accumulating power. Of course, the priesthood of the farmer inheritance resented that and wanted to convert it to things they could command and extract power and wealth from. So, the kill Apollo and promote the military.

Don't get me wrong, I am still here and I do not speak Russian or Chinese. I am not dead (Yet). Unfortunately, in dealing with the Farmers as in dealing with the other two heritages, you have to take some bad with the good. And it is hard to tell from time to time which is which.

But Apollo sampled materials near the equator, I believe, and the Farmers wanted to emphasize that the Moon was a very dead and useless world. They come in various flavors.
-Want the money for violence/security.
-Want to keep the human race on the Earth so we will be here when the rapture comes.
-Are atheists anti-humanist scientists who value their ivory towers among the anointed. Want grant money. Do not think that common people should be allowed to breed, perhaps.
-Jealous.

Even if water was found they would be happy to say that the samples were contaminated being brought to Earth. They would be happy with a dead dry Moon.

Then they could say they were aiming at Mars, but never really mount a serious effort, just keep resetting the game, churning the money.

Again, although all of that frustrates me, I do have it rather good relative to average people on the planet, (Except for that bitter feeling of having my time wasted).

Still here we are and we have to work with what we have.

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Last edited by Void (2025-10-21 19:38:15)

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