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#276 2025-08-16 21:22:54

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I suppose this could be Elon Musk, it certainly sounds like that person.  But I suppose it could be "Ani" or someone else.
Whoever it is has interesting things to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx7BaOF … utureFocus
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Elon Musk Knows Something About Your Future You Don't

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Worth a listen, in my opinion.

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#277 2025-08-17 09:14:20

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I think a possible danger of the future will be expanded permissions.

How people will deal with expanded permissions, and dealing with dealing with excessive permissions.

A great problem is that now, I think that with wealth, children are imprinted on the wrong sort of subject for imprinted as per "X".  They are regarded as having no such thing as "X", when in reality even babies have safer versions of that that they imprint on.  I put myself in significant danger even mentioning it.

But the poor imprinting in my opinion is part of the problem of adults who do not successfully reproduce.

And a lack of reproduction will lead to a dying society.

I believe that many of the elites even understand that and trick the masses to embrace failure, as they have contempt for humans in general.  We are not worthy.

And so, they can do these things from the shadows, while seeming to be incredibly moral.

That is one danger that expanded permissions of material goods can do.

Another is to not be regulated by needed social factors to conform to a successful pattern.  In this coming age of abundance or social collapse.  Internal self-regulation is going to be important, as you can more ealily damage yourself, as you feel no pain in doing unwise things.

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#278 2025-08-25 18:48:19

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I don't know where else to put this.  Imagine if we ever meet Dinasaur Aliens:  https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

Vinny the Galah Cockatoo is TALKING for 10 minutes straight!
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I think it is actually true.

That little brain does a lot.  Imagine if a Dinasaur Alien had a brain our size?

I guess we inherited because of that Asteroid.

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#279 2025-08-27 11:15:46

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It is needed for the reader to understand that I had a Scottish Canadian Grandparent, and a Yankee American Grandmother who was largely English with a bit of Scottish and French Huguenot.   I also had two Swedish Grandparents.

It is not my practice to hate the British, as they are in my ancestry and have not personally harmed me as I recall.

But I like this video, and hope that the British can also get a better situation for themselves.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE  Quote:

Trump FIRES Fed Governor | London PANICS as Third American Revolution Begins - August 27, 2025
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I think we have had 4 American revolutions though.  WWII was the third, I feel, but we got entangled in the worlds degeneracy in that as well.

I see the democratic party as simply the Confederacy again, and their very valued urban hell holes are the plantations reimagined again.  Remember that not all slave owners were WASPS, in fact most WASPS were not slave owners.

A very great number of slave owners were in Africa itself and were themselves Africans of some sort.  They captured and sold both Africans and Europeans into slavery.

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#280 2025-08-28 09:37:14

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Void, the woman that runs the Promethean updates is a conspiracy nut.  The British empire was disbanded from 1947 onwards and is now no more than a smattering of islands and marginal territories in addition to the British Isles themselves.  The people running the UK are halfwits, whose arrogance is outweighed only by their incompetance.  They cannot even run a mid-sized domestic economy successfully and are powerless in preventing their country from being invaded by unarmed Islamic men.  Yet, we are to believe that these obviously limited people are in fact running a shadowy underground empire and are secretly controlling the world?  The idea is laughable to anyone that knows them.  If that really were their intent, then they have made a really crappy job of it.


"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."

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#281 2025-08-28 18:49:10

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Thanks for your comments Calliban.  Just because I watch something does not mean that I entirely agree, or dissagree with it.

I think that feel that the Global Banking System is the inheritor of the British Empire.

Promethean seems to be anti solar and anti wind.  I am not so much that except in a case where it may cause a problem.

They feel comfortable with burning lots of coal as they feel that China is going to win the AI competition by having more electric power by burning coal.  They minimize the concern for CO2.  I remain neutral, as long as I feel we will be able to remove CO2 from the atmosphere if it turns out it has to be done.

I looking at this organizations presentations and that of others such as P. Zeihan or George Friedman, just because I look does not indicate that I accept strongly every things they say.

Thanks,

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#282 2025-08-29 09:28:24

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I have watched only the one video listed from this site: https://www.youtube.com/@MDVL_mindset

So, don't assume that other videos are equal to my ideas of whatever.

But this one I watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeePF0w … valMindset
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Why Europe Was BETTER After Rome Fell

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I recall I was told in public school that indeed Europeans were so unworthy and only the Arabs were brilliant.

I have been a creature that haunted libraries, and then of course later, haunted the internet.

Things I already knew that are in this video, are:
-The "Irish", or their similar, sailed in skin boats deep in to the north sea.
-The Vikings later did Viking stuff to those monks in Iceland.
-Columbus spent time in Iceland before his famous voyages.

https://www.icelandicroots.com/post/201 … in-iceland
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Did you know Christopher Columbus stayed in Iceland for an entire winter? In 1477, he sailed to Iceland and stayed at the farm called Ingjaldshóll (Ingjaldshvóll).

There are various reasons why the Viking wave did not go too far into North America.  I recall a story that the natives "Skraeling's" had some sort of spear throwers, which gave them a technologically superior position.  However, when the
Europeans returned in about 500 years those people were not to be found, nor their weapons.  The Vikings were never that many people in Iceland and Greenland, and even Greenland had an acceptable climate at about 1000 AD.  Then of course the Mini Ice age helped wipe out the Greenlanders and almost finished the Icelanders.

I was also aware that Vikings were guards in Byzantium, and that Vikings went down to Bagdad to get silver.

An item of importance in the video that I did not know was that at some point, the plough was improved along with horse harnesses, allowing agriculture to expand in the North.

My own theory is that that Alpha Bed Hoppers are the downfall of civilizations.  That is, when the Chads and the Tyrones are allowed to play Coocoo bird with other men's women, then the skills disappear and so then also the wealth.

In the north, that could not happen as you had to have better skills to be powerful than to impregnate a peasants woman.  But if farming was enhanced, then there could be peasants for the Chads and Tyrones to impregnate.  So, a bloom of wealth, may be destined to be ended in poverty.

The resurgence of fossil fuels in the USA at least has balanced out the mischief money that was accumulated in the M.E.

The effort to de-industrialize the west, which was very likely promoted in the shadows by the Chads and Tyrones of Fascism, Communism, Socialism, and the M.E. oil money , is being resisted thankfully.

I was interrupted by a visitor during this post and have sort of lost the thread of thought, so I will end it here.

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#283 2025-09-11 08:20:09

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OK, I ignored this once already, thinking it is bogus: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-AA1MllNr  Quote:

Oldest human remains in Antarctica leave experts baffled
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I wonder what other people think?

Real or Fraud?

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#284 2025-09-11 10:08:42

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Void: if you click the link "The Discovery" in the article you linked, it takes you to a Facebook post. That says:

On the frozen coast of Antarctica, archaeologists made a discovery that still puzzles historians. They found the oldest known human remains on the continent—belonging to a young Chilean woman from the early 1800s.

Tests showed she likely came from the Yaghan people of southern Chile and Tierra del Fuego, a community famous for their seafaring skills and ability to survive extreme cold. Her bones were dated between 1819 and 1825, a time when almost no records of people in Antarctica existed.

How she ended up there is a mystery. Some believe she may have joined whalers or sealers heading south. Others wonder if indigenous groups themselves once sailed further than history gives them credit for.

What makes her story so striking is the silence of the record—no journals, no reports, nothing to explain her journey. She stands alone, a single trace of humanity in one of the world’s harshest places.

Her remains remind us that Antarctica’s story didn’t just begin with European explorers. It’s a sign of how human history is far more connected and surprising than we often imagine.

This isn't the oldest human ever, it's just the oldest human in Antarctica. A date of 1819-1825 is hardly controversial. So the indigenous people of Chile had boats before European explorers arrived. Duh! How do they think Polynesian people spread across the islands of the Pacific? How do they think Australian aborigines got there? There's an increasing body of evidence that people explored the planet long before the European age of exploration. Modern humans have been on this planet for 300,000 years. What do they think humans did all that time? No, civilization is not 5,000 years old, it's much older. That's just how old written record goes. Surviving written record.

There's evidence of wheat within walking distance of Göbekli Tepe that's 22,000 years ago. People who built Göbekli Tepe were not hunter-gatherers, they were farmers. Duh! The oldest evidence of wheat is in the Levant (Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine) that is 26,000 years old. When scientists started using satellites to find archaeology sites, they found roughly 200 stone buildings in the Sahara. Not all have been explored. They're different ages, different construction styles, and different purposes. Most are not tombs. One has a painting of a lake with trees and animals, including hippopotamus. As the planet warmed out of the last ice age, north Africa warmed from subarctic, to temperate, to tropical rain forest, to savanna, to desert. Sahara started small, then grew. One radar satellite is able to see beneath the sand of the Sahara, and sees groves in the bedrock from ancient river systems. They can see how far the Sahara expanded during the past several interglacial cycles, and it's larger than today. The planet hasn't finished warming out of the last ice age. Thousands of years ago when north Africa was a lush, people lived there. When it became desert, they had to leave. That was before invention of writing, so we have no written record of those people. Warming out of the last ice age began 20,000 years ago. In the 1960s/'70s/'80s/'90s scientists believed the ice age ended 11,000 years ago. Today they consider it to have ended 11,700 years ago. That's just another digit of precision.

So a skeleton in Antarctica that's only 200 years old? Sure. I would want a more authoritative source than Facebook, but it's hardly radical.

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#285 2025-09-11 10:14:16

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Fraud then.  Thank You Robert.

I have noticed a lot of this sort of thing expanding on the internet.

It is very annoying.

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I will say though that just maybe, some archaic animal of plant might be revived from the deeps of Antarctica.  It is a long shot for DNA, but maybe under very cold conditions.  I might hope.

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#286 2025-09-11 10:14:23

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Hmm. Tried to look up exactly what climate was like in north Africa during the ice age. It was actually quite dry. "Tropical rain forest" is not correct. But it did change. In this chart, "BP" means years Before Present.
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#287 2025-09-11 10:18:18

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Ya, that sort of is healthy to know about.  Yes, we don't want to wreck the planet, but portions of the planet are "Wrecked" periodically without our assistance.

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#288 2025-09-11 11:07:21

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Void: You don't understand what I said. This is the interglacial cycle. It happens every 100,000 years. There's roughly 80,000 years of ice age, followed by 20,000 years of interglacial. The interglacial is the warm period between ice ages. Then another ice age. The interglacial is not stable. There's roughly 13,000 years of global warming as the ice melts, then as soon as the peak temperature is achieved it reverses to become global cooling. So 7,000 years of global cooling. Then the next ice age begins. It doesn't start with a tall wall of ice moving across the land, it starts with snow. The snow from the last winter does not completely melt during the summer. When the first snow of the next winter arrives, some of the snow of the last winter is still there. The second summer, more snow survives to the next winter. It slowly accumulates until summer is just not warm enough to melt snow. At least at what we not consider "temperate" latitudes, the ground is covered with snow all year. Then the snow gets deeper every year. Eventually the snow get so deep that the weight of the snow crushes the snow at the bottom to become ice.

Based on ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica, if we follow the pattern of the last 3 interglacial cycles, the peak temperature will be 5°C above the pre-industrial temperature. Previous ice cores resulted in 6°C ±1.25°. But a new ice core together with better methods of analyzing have refined that. They now say 5° ±fraction of a degree. That's not contradictory, just more precise.

Milankovitch cycles control ice ages. These cycles combine to create ice ages:

  • orbital eccentricity: Earth's orbit changes from nearly circular to more elipitical, then back.

  • obliquity: axial tilt increases and decreases.

  • axial precession: which direction does the axis of rotation point? Currently it points to the North Star, Polaris. It rotates.

  • apsidal precession: the elipse of Earth's orbit precesses around the Sun.

  • orbital inclination: Earth's orbit is inclined vs the invariable plane

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#289 2025-09-11 11:37:15

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I have some awareness of those cycles. 

It is the summer temps that matter in the onset of an ice age.  The winters can be as cold as can be; it does not so much matter.  But if the summers are not warm enough then the net snow deposit is (+) and year by year accumulation occurs.

I will promote a notion of my own you may be interested in.  It is a hunch so don't think I consider it validated.

So, I think that conifers can cause summer warming, as in the spring, they can absorb light early and convert it to heat that may melt the snow.  But without them the snow pack will reflect light into the sky, delaying summer.

As I recall the conifer's need two things. 1) Soil that is thawed sufficiently in depth that their roots can keep the winds from toppling them.  2) A two-week period of time in the summer where the temperature can rise above 50 degrees F.  (10 degrees C).

So, I believe that during an interglacial, the conifer forests slowly march north, as they drive the ice caps further north.
But should they consistently not get a reproductive period in the summer, they will die off and eventually the snow accumulations win out, as the trees are stripped of vegetation and finally rot down.

So, if the trees could grow on ice, our climate patterns would be different.  But they cannot.

But as a terraforming tool, we could make artificial trees on top of ice.  Vertical solar panels.  So, if an ice age were inflicted on us on Earth, we might use such a trick.

If fact if we did not like Antarctica accumulating ice, we could cover most of that with such devices.

But I don't recommend that, but I do suggest it as a treatment for Mars.

Have a good day Robert.

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