Plutoids and Rogue Planets, Titanformation process, a cold treasure?

Void · 2024-11-09 11:19:51

This would be an interesting planet: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … af58&ei=14

Quote: Ateam of researchers believes they have found the most convincing evidence to date for the existence of a hidden planet, which may be Planet Nine. According to a recent study, this planet, possibly located in the Kuiper Belt, is small, with a mass between 1.5 and 3 times that of Earth. "It could be an icy, rocky Earth, or a super-Pluto. Due to its large mass, it would have a great internal energy that could sustain, for example, subsurface oceans. Its orbit would be very distant, much beyond Neptune, and much more inclined compared to the known planets," Patryk Sofia Lykawka, associate professor of Planetary Sciences at Kindai University in Japan and co-author of the study, said according to El Tiempo.

Anything would be fun, but this might be a bit of a "Super Earth". I have been thinking of ice planets where the density of the planet may be so low that in spite of a large size the gravity on the surface might be close to that of Earth. But of course we would have to take it as it comes. I hope it has moons.

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Void · 2025-08-14 09:09:53

There are a few topics with the word Rogue in their name.

Here is the latest gift from Isaac Arthur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU7h53_ … saacArthur
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Colonizing Rogue Planets
Isaac Arthur
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I myself have pondered these things. One thing I have tried to imagine is what might happen if one of our planets were tossed out as a rogue planet. Most rogues are likely born early in a planet generating process either interstellar or stellar. But by thinking making one of our planets rogue, we at least have some anchor in that we know to some degree now what these worlds are like now.

I am going to make a case that I think that plate tectonics might emerge on the terrestrials, particularly Venus and of course it exists on Earth.

Since it already exists on Earth, then I will start with Earth cast out into the void. I will not dwell on the fate of humans who may have come into existence on this Earth-like world, rather I will be interested in seeing what it might be like to be on the outside looking in and then to settle the world.

It is not certain how much of a Hydrogen/Helium atmosphere could exist. I will say some. Ideally not too much. Lets be generous and say 1 bar.

I will then argue for uphill flowing tectonic glaciers which would be in opposition to downward flowing gravitational glaciers.

If we think of planets from type 1 Stars radioactive materials will have been distributed to the planets. Type 3 Stars early on would not have much of that to give.

OK, the Earth it tossed out. Its atmosphere freezes to Nitrogen, Oxygen, and Argon solids and liquids for the most part.

Since the Earth's atmosphere is 1 bar pressure, if it were water vapor instead of Nitrogen, Oxygen, and Argon, the depth would be about (very loosely), 32 feet thickness over the entire surface. But if Hydrogen and Helium flow from the void as a replacement atmosphere, it may be that electrostatic sparks will cause burns and explosions to burn the Oxygen to water.

On Pluto, I understand that Nitrogen might flow like Toothpaste. But we don't know if it will be as warm as Pluto is, probably over time it will get colder.

I am expecting plate tectonics to keep running on this world. In fact perhaps even faster, as the surface will be colder so the convective forces will be greater. So solid ices and pasty textured pseudo solids may be dragged uphill by ocean spreading. Gravitation will encourage the solids and pasty substances to flow downhill. So there would be a contest.

So, then this brings us to the oceans of salt water. Along the shorelines ice would be dragged uphill as it froze to the shoreline. But again gravity would encourage it to glaciate downhill.

We can expect that the exposed seafloor spreading such as Iceland will allow lava flows above any ice covered fluids and very likely above any glaciers. It would be very hard for ices and fluids to flow uphill onto Iceland, as the sea floor is going to drag them away from the splits, and gravity will encourage ices and fluids to flow downhill.

So, we can expect for this modified Earth that exposed geothermal energy will be available to settlers.

The Seafloor could be more and more exposed as ice is dragged upward onto the spreading seafloor. This would expose the geothermal spreading areas unless a fluid could cover them again. Nitrogen or Argon might do that. But there are limited amounts of them, and several basins might collect them and render the immobile. Also on the spreading area of the seafloor are many seamounts, and it would be very difficult for the Nitrogen, Argon, Water Ice, or Liquid Water to flow upwards against gravity. So, we can have hopes of exposed geothermal rock. This should be favorable for humans or aliens to utilize for simple energy, and protection from the cold of the Universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics
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If I am not mistaken the Samali Plate would have an elevated area in Africa which would likely be exposed geothermal rock.

But on the other side of plate tectonics where one plate slides under the other, if ices behave like continental crust, then bodies of water warmed by geothermal heat should occur.

And this also could cause vast floods of water from time to time if an earthquake were to rupture an ice dam. So you might not want to build your settlements too low in an ocean bed as they might become suddenly flooded. A high location in Iceland or Africa might be most suitable.

It is my expectation that the radioactive decay engine of the Earth would be periodically refueled if it were a rogue planet: https://www.space.com/earth-dense-inter … ction-lost
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An interstellar cloud may have caused an ice age on Earth. Here's how
News
By Robert Lea published June 11, 2024
An encounter with a cold cloud of gas and dust could have caused our planet's "protective giant bubble" to draw back.

So, radioactive materials from dust clouds in interstellar space may rain down fresh materials which may be subducted into the insides of the Rogue Earth, refueling it's engines.

So, a Rogue Earth, might be very useful to a technological civilization, I feel.

And of course then there if Fusion. Probably any gasses that could remain as an atmosphere on such a world will have and collect more of fusion suitable fuels.

I will discuss Venus next I believe. I think Venus cast out into the void would become much like a Rogue Earth.

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Void · 2025-08-15 07:15:39

So, then Venus as a rogue planet is interesting. Some people think that Venus had an Earth-like period, but others say it had such a hot start that it never condensed a water ocean.

The reason for a hot start was the suns gravity well, adding much more energy to impactors than it did for Earth.

I will argue that an ejected Venus might come to resemble an ejected Earth to some extent over time due to the infall of Hydrogen, and dust. Venus eventually being similar to the description I gave in the previous post would have 90% of less gravity than Earth. I say that because the proto-Venus might have been ejected before it reached its current mass.
So, for instance a Venus the size of Mars would have a gravity field of 33% that of Earth but our Venus would be 90% the gravity of Earth.

Elon Musk has said that the Earth is almost too massive for rocket technology to send mass into space. So, a hotter sub-Earth sized world might be rather valuable as a Rogue Planet.

We don't know for sure what Venus was like as young. But if ejected now, we could expect a CO2 Ocean to cover much of the planet. That ocean would likely freeze, as I think unlike water ice CO2 ice will not float. (I think).

And then the Nitrogen would similarly condense and pool before freezing.

It is not known for sure if Venus has tectonic activity at this time. This article suggest that it might.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-mag … -on-venus/

It is my expectation that when the cold of the universe cools off the crust and overlying CO2 and N2 materials, some greater convection will occur. But any crust spreading may be under CO2 or N2 deposits or may be directly exposed uncovered rock on the surface.

Over time it is expected that Hydrogen, Helium, and dust will accumulate from clouds that the Rogue Venus might drift though. I would expect the Hydrogen to permeate into the CO2 layer and over time react with it to produce water and hydrocarbons. So, the crust would eventually become lubricated by the liquids produced that way. This would help plate tectonics to continue. The radioactive materials in the accumulating dust would be subducted into the interior to help keep Venus warm inside.

I believe that it thought by some that planets the size of Mars or larger could become Steppenwolf planets. So, Venus might begin to accumulate a Hydrogen and Helium atmosphere.

Some have even argued that such a world could host seas of water even maybe open water, as a think Hydrogen atmosphere might allow the geothermal heat to be held in.

In that case I would expect that the N2 would reinflate under the Hydrogen layer. Then what about the CO2?

I think a rogue that warm would be a problem for humans as the atmospheric pressure would be too high. But it would be relatively easy to expel much of the H2 with nuclear bombs in the upper atmosphere, I think. But it would be better to catch a Rogue Venus before it developed such a thick atmosphere. But an atmosphere of 1/4 to 10 bars might be useful and relatively easy to adapt to. Of course you would still need protective devices. At heavier pressures you might need submarine shells, and perhaps at times use Helium instead of N2 as the dilutant.

Obviously, a thin atmosphere would make it easier to use a rocket to go to orbit, and a thicker atmosphere would make landing easier.

So, it might be that a Rogue Venus with 50% gravity might be quite a find, if it had exposed rock of geothermal potential.

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I suppose I will look at Mars and Mercury next.

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Void · 2025-08-16 07:30:12

Now about worlds that are thought to be just large enough to perhaps become Steppenwolf planets, that might be Mars and Mercury, if ejected into space, could they collect a significant atmosphere of Hydrogen and Helium?

Ceres and most dwarf planets seem like they could not hold a atmosphere very well even in the spaces between stars. But I don't know that for sure.

Mars may still have geothermal hot spots that could be accessed. We are not aware that that is currently true on Mercury, but their gravity field are about 1/3rd that of Earth.

A world that is stratified, might conserve its heat, and not be able to collect radioactive dust from the universe and deliver it to its lower regions.

To have convection you need a gravity field, and also a mix of materials that will not stratify. If you don't have convection, then it is harder to see how ocean floor spreading hot spots can exist or those that are caused by plates diving under each other. But Hawaii on Earth does suggest something like a pimple as a method to erupt excess heat to the surface. Also, cryovolcanic, eruptions might be able to move heat to the surface.

It looks possible that Mars and Mercury need gravity, internal heat, and the proper mix of materials to foster convection.

On average Mercury has heavier materials than Earth, and Mars has lighter materials than Earth. At least that is my current notion of truth.

I presume that as was said to be the case of the Moon, first lavas were heavy, but over time the heavy materials condensed into crust and mantle, I guess, and the final lavas were of lighter materials.

In order for lavas to erupt to the surface, solid crust needs to fall, squeezing the lighter fluids up. Being lighter fluids, is due to type of materials and level of heating.

I suppose Ceres would not be likely to erupt to the surface with water, as water ice is lighter even than liquid water.

And an ejected Ceres would likely not have lost as much water if they got ejected early on their formation.

But so, water/ammonia eruptions might be useful with a rogue Ceres. Such an ocean of sea might allow access to core materials.

But Ceres is not thought to be large enough to collect a Hydrogen/Helium atmosphere.

I guess next I will think about Ice Giants, Gas Giants, and Brown Dwarfs, and their Satellites.

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Void · 2025-08-16 09:11:26

This video states that if Earth were 10% heavier, then reusable would be impossible.
It also says that if Earth were 10% lighter, then reusable would be easy.

So, a Rogue 10% less than the mass of Earth would be a prize.

Smaller than that would be valuable also, but of course in my view, I want there to be geothermal energy available.

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Void · 2025-08-17 17:46:08

A Rogue Ice or Gas giant detected: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-AA1JAZz3 Quote:

Einstein’s Theory Helps Astronomers Spot Mysterious Free-Floating Planet Using Hubble
Story by Lydia Amazouz • 2w •
4 min read

So, we have gone from not being able to detect rogues, to maybe once in a while detecting them.

I am wondering if it might eventually be possible to see a "Pinch" in the background radiation field from the Big Bang?

Certainly we don't have that yet, but I might think that if we could detect such "Pinches", eventually we might see them tracing a path across the view.

A closer rogue might be easier to see, I am guessing. But of course a rogue might be putting out Infared light, so maybe it is yet impossible.

Still it does not hurt to try. When you fail, sometimes that points to other possibilites.

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Void · 2025-08-18 15:28:23

I suppose that if you had a Rogue Mars, you might not need Plate Tectonics to access geothermal power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcHCAF5 … =SpaceSnap
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Mars Volcanoes Are More Dangerous Than We Thought!
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Void · 2025-08-19 12:58:55

A possible fire fighting method I have tried to arrive at would be to push Oxygen depleted air into a building to suppress the fire.

That would not be easy, though, as CO is a poison so using combustion to reduce O2 might be best done by burning Hydrogen. But Hydrogen is hard to handle and the "Burned Air" would be heated a bit, unless you could cool it with a water stream.

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Calliban · 2025-08-20 02:52:24

Oxygen depletion systems have been around for a while. They are usualy used as fire preventative measures and have been popular in libraries storing important texts. They work by reducing the partial pressure of oxygen in a space and replacing it with additional nitrogen. A reduction in oxygen partial pressure from 210 to 150-180mbar, doesn't sound like much. But it makes fire ignition less likely and impedes fire growth if one does start. Human habitation of the space remains possible, assuming one does not wish to engage in high performance exercise. These solutions are a bit niche on Earth, due to cost, energy consumption and the need for buildings to be well sealed to maintain atmospheric control.

Nitrogen or CO2 drench on the other hand, is a reactive firefighting system. I have seen it used on ships and submarines. It can be problematic if a compartment is not sealed because it will displace oxygen leaving trapped crew with nothing to breath. In a sealed compartment it is quite safe, because oxygen partial pressure does not decrease, but the nitrogen adds heat capacity to the air reducing flame temperature.

Both options are useful in space / lunar / mars habitats. In these cases, the air volume is fixed and such a system has lower risk of asphyxiation. Oxygen depletion can be used as well. But the problem here is that we already plan to use <1bar atmosphere. So it will be difficult to deplete oxygen without reducing oxygen partial pressure unacceptably. Putting in a few percent of heavier gas like a fluorocarbon, which has high volumetric heat capacity, may be a better way of suppressing fire. Cost may turn out to be an issue here.

Void · 2025-08-20 08:25:51

That is useful information Calliban. It is a hard nut to crack, I have been thinking about it off and on for a long time.

A best guess on possibility is a tank of liquid air with perhaps 18% Oxygen, and then if you could cause that to burn with a fuel, such as Methane. But there would be thermal problems possible and poisoning from CO and CO2 would be major concerns.

A 4% CO2 is considered to be immediately lethal. But maybe a lesser exposure could be a preference to dying in a fire. If humans are not involved, then it would not be a big concern.

I am thinking of Stairwells in tall buildings and perhaps for homes some chance of suppressing a fire. But as you have mentioned the nature of the structure will make results variable or not possible.

For the stairwell, I am thinking of something like a jet engine running on the depleted air, using Methane fuel. But if you could use Hydrogen, that would be much better as to eliminate the Carbon compounds.

For Mars, I am imagining plastic envelops to contain somewhat depleted air inside of ice tunnels and vaults. It should be possible to make plastics largely from water from ice and from CO2 in the atmosphere.

I am thinking of maybe 16% Oxygen, and then humans will need to have a additional source of Oxygen perhaps from an Oxygen Concentrator. I hope that vast volumes of such tunnels and vaults could be created, but I do not want a runaway fire possibility.

As I understand it 16% is temporarily survivable. But humans more often would be in other chambers with greater amounts of Oxygen. Robots should do just fine in 16% Oxygen.

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Void · 2025-08-23 09:44:06

Thinking on rogue objects, dust clouds, and Oort Clouds.

Our terminology is actually rather strange. We call things that orbit something we call stars "Planets".
Objects that orbit planets, we call "Moons".

However, if we wanted to we might call the Universe the primary object, and Galaxies be called Secondary.

We might call things that orbit the Galaxy center Tertiary objects. This would include Stars, Black Holes, White Dwarfs, Brown Dwarfs, and Rogue Planets. But any of these Tertiary objects would be the Fourth level. Earth would be Fourth Level. Our Moon would be Fifth Level. And any satellites of a Fifth Level object would be Sixth Level.

And I guess I don't know where to place Trojan Objects.

Really every object in the Universe is Rogue. But we reserve Rogue for two types of objects.

1) Ejected Objects.
2) Condensed Objects smaller than a Brown Dwarf. However, how small is the smallest brown dwarf?

As far as I can tell, vast amounts of gas, much of it Hydrogen, somehow are conducted into our galaxy. Some larger objects can accrete it if they have enough gravity and do not shine so bright and have a solar wind that will push it away.

Stars that explode and objects that collide create dust clouds of materials cooked up in objects that have processed Hydrogen and Helium using fusion.

I think it is very hard for our sun to accrete materials such as dust from outside the solar system as sunlight and the solar wind will push it away. It could accrete a interstellar comet or larger object, if that object collided with the sun.

But it seems that interstellar dust clouds can overcome the repulsive forces of the sun, Photons and the Solar wind, and intrude even on the Earth at times.

https://www.universetoday.com/articles/ … lar-clouds Quote:

What Happens to the Climate When Earth Passes Through Interstellar Clouds?
By mark-thompson - September 23, 2024 at 7:29 PM UTC | Planetary Science

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A team of astronomers let by Jess A. Miller from the Department of Astronomy of Boston University have traced the path of the Sun back through time. In doing so, they have identified two occasions when the Earth and Solar System passed through two dense interstellar clouds. One of the crossings occurred 2 million years ago, the other 7 million years ago. Exploring the properties of the clouds, the team assert that the clouds are dense enough that they could compress the solar wind to inside the orbit of Earth.
The Solar Wind is a constant stream of charged particles, mostly electrons and protons that are emitted from the upper layer of the Sun's atmosphere, the corona. The particles travel through the Solar System at speeds between 400 and 800 kilometres per second. The edge of our Solar System is defined as the point where the solar wind merges with the interstellar medium.

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So, if this is true, then objects such as the Earth and in higher orbits of the sun from the Earth could accrete Dust and even Hydrogen and Helium, if their gravity is large enough and any magnetic field does not interfere. (I don't know what goes on with magnetic fields in this event).

It is possible that objects equal to and larger than Mars could accrete both dust and Hydrogen, and Helium, particularly if they are further out in the colder reaches of the solar system. If Mars collected Hydrogen and Helium, I think it would lose it quickly because of the Sun's Photons.

But in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, objects equal to or greater than Mars in Mass might accrete both dust and gasses. Objects smaller than Mars might accrete dust and condensed ices.

I see a possibility here that a world like Eris could accrete new radioactive fission fuels from dust clouds:
https://www.swri.org/newsroom/press-rel … rf-planets
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SwRI scientists find evidence of geothermal activity within icy dwarf planets
February 15, 2024 — A team co-led by Southwest Research Institute found evidence for hydrothermal or metamorphic activity within the icy dwarf planets Eris and Makemake, located in the Kuiper Belt. Methane detected on their surfaces has the tell-tale signs of warm or even hot geochemistry in their rocky cores, which is markedly different than the signature of methane from a comet.

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Recent studies have shown that Eris shows signs of geological activity, indicating that it may have internal geochemical processes.
Evidence of hydrothermal or metamorphic activity has been found within Eris, suggesting warm or hot geochemistry in its rocky core.
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The James Webb Space Telescope has detected methane on Eris's surface, which is indicative of recent geological activity, challenging previous notions of these icy worlds as cold and inert.
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So, I speculate that these worlds could periodically accrete more radioactive materials that might come from star explosions, and maybe from object collisions.

There is some thinking that Europa has plate tectonics in its ice shell: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/scientist … on-europa/ Quote:

Scientists Find Evidence of 'Diving' Tectonic Plates on Europa
Sept. 8, 2014

So, I speculate that Eris may have an ocean and ice plate tectonics, that would allow further accretions of interstellar dust to be conducted to the bottom of such an ocean, and so it speculate that such worlds may be powered by the energy compressed into radioactive substances by exploding stars.

And I suppose I might speculate that a world with an ice-covered ocean with plate tectonics might also host rock tectonics below that allowing radioactive materials to accrete into the core of the object.

https://eos.org/articles/dwarf-planets- … c-activity
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Instead, the deuterium-hydrogen ratio is a close match to that found in comet water ice. That suggests the methane on Eris and Makemake inherited its hydrogen from water in the interior, where conditions could have been hot enough for water and carbon molecules to react, forming methane.
The deuterium-hydrogen ratio doesn’t reveal when the methane reached the surface, however. But NIRSpec also measured the carbon isotopes in the methane. It found that carbon-13 was only about 1% as abundant as carbon-12. If the methane were old, the carbon-13 would be much more abundant, Glein said.

So, I think over time there have been repeated surprises when worlds are examined and expected to be very cold but show evidence of greater internal warmth.

So, now I have to ask about worlds around Brown Dwarfs and Jumbo's. These are thought to be condensed, and not usually ejected from the domain of other stars.

Can they have planets, a Kuiper Belt, and an Oort Cloud?

Could they have planets that would be as big or bigger than Eris? Would those worlds perhaps be able to periodically accrete dust from interstellar clouds, dust with radioactive content?

Could they support worlds with oceans and some type of tectonics?

If so, then I would call these objects "Fuzzy". If I can presume that they have lots of comets. They would only have radiated heat for a relatively short time to drive the snow line outward. Perhaps they are full of comets, and Dwarf Planets, and maybe even Steppenwolf planets orbiting them.

Being "Fluffy", I would wonder about the merger of a Jumbo planets Oort Cloud (If it has one), with the Oort Cloud of our solar system. Would this represent a sort of collision of Hill Spheres, with exchange of objects?

One view of how Triton could have been captured by Neptune is that it may have had a partner object, and that partner was either absorbed by Neptune or that partner object was cast away, allowing Neptune to capture Titan. So, that was a sort of "Fluffy" capture.

Could a Hill Sphere capture a larger object in the event of a "Fluffy" collision, while the major object would get cast away.

For instance if a Jumbo resembling and oversized Jupiter, have a "Fluffy" interaction with our solar system and perhaps leave a moon, or take some comets, or maybe even a Dwarf Planet?

Anyway, I got that out of my head. Perhaps I can do other things now.

Smile.

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Void · 2025-08-23 19:21:54

This is not too bad for a presentation: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC
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There's an Alien World Below Earth's Surface
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I have a copy of David Golds Book: "The Deep Hot Biosphere".
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphe … 0387985468

We think that Mars has a underground deep water world in cracks in the rocks, perhaps.
https://www.inverse.com/science/mars-hi … study-nasa
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Mars Is Likely Hiding Oceans Worth Of Water Deep In Its Crust — This Could Upend Our Plans For the Planet
Miles below the surface, cracks in volcanic rock may be full of liquid water.
by Kiona Smith
Aug. 15, 2024

So, I am guessing that any world with enough warmth of a size equal to or less than that of Mars, could have a "Crack Ocean" in its crust.

The Earth seems to have a sort of one, but the gravity squeezes the cracks shut better than Mars can, I expect. And Tectonics might also squeeze the cracks shut in places as well.

So, that makes suspicious Mercury, Luna, Ceres, Vesta, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto, Titan, Enceladus, Triton, Pluto, Eris and other dwarfs and moons.

I only list Mercury because I suppose there is a chance that it had water on it's surface some time a long time ago, very early in the solar systems history. An argument might be made for the Moon Luna, as it did have a atmosphere of sorts at least once.

https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/an-at … nar-water/ Quote:

An Atmosphere Around the Moon? NASA Research Suggests Significant Atmosphere in Lunar Past and Possible Source of Lunar Water

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The ancient lunar atmosphere was thicker than the atmosphere of Mars today and was likely capable of weathering rocks and producing windstorms. Perhaps most importantly, it could be a source for some, if not all, of the water detected on the Moon.

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The short-lived atmosphere — estimated to have lasted approximately 70 million years — was comprised primarily of carbon monoxide, sulfur and water. As volcanic activity declined, the release of the gases also declined. What atmosphere existed was either lost to space or became part of the surface of the Moon.

A crack ocean if it existed, could be deeper than the one that may exist on Mars. The gravity is less and the Moon cooled faster, at least in places perhaps, so, I offer it as a slight possibility.

And Ocean under the ice of Europa, Ceres, Pluto, and Eris might be deep as well. If any surviving briny cold oceans exist on these worlds, the crack ocean in the crust might be warmer, maybe even hot in places.

If this were true for some such worlds, then I see no reason why rogue worlds might have such a thing as well.

In probing for life in such worlds, I think we have to be reasonable. If it is common to exist in such environments, then it is not necessarily more important than the survival of the human race. And greatest caution should be to protect humans from it.

But I agree with Dr. Robert Zubrin, probably these organisms would not be tuned to prey on humans. But we might not want to introduce them to the Earth deep biosphere.

And what organisms we might introduce to such worlds probably cannot infect the deep biospheres of those worlds to the extent of causing extinction.

We need to be careful of the people farmers, who use things similar to Climate Politics to extract wealth from the population of humans. People who want to featherbed their lives in white collar positions.

Such people are the ones who might seek to establish an estate of power and control over the populations by establishing a negative view of human, and so to justify their right to control us. Such claims say that they want to keep humans from harming innocent aliens. But no, like any fit parasite, they need to keep their captive peoples weak so the better to eat them alive.

They sting you, removing your will, and ability to rebel and they drag you into a dark hole where they or their magot children can eat you slowly.

We should say "NO!" and do it with force if need be. Rape is not nice, and neither is what they do.

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Void · 2025-08-25 08:40:04

This would be nice: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-AA1Lbd3e Quote:

Forget Planet X! Beyond Neptune, There Might Be An Earth-Sized Planet Y
Story by Dr. Alfredo Carpineti • 2d •
3 min read

I would like something slightly less than the mass of Earth, with a set of moons perhaps.

But of course odds are rather low for that. But a Super Earth or Earth sized with a significant moon would be useful.

We could establish robots on each of these, perhaps even the Super Earth, if there is one. Geothermal from a Super Earth could be beamed up to a Moon where humans might better dwell.

Even if rockets could not escape the Super Earth robots assigned to work on the Super Earth would not be stranded there, as their minds could be beamed back and forth. And Humans as well, could have robot bodies on that Super Earth.

So, as a rogue planet scheme that as well could be a useful pattern.

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Void · 2025-08-25 09:56:20

Continuing on similar lines to the previous post:
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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A JuMBO Mystery - This Shouldn't Happen!
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I think this can be solved by combining both sources of rogue planets. Ejection and Collapse.

Ejected objects in a stellar nursery or thick dust cloud could have a secondary condensation. They might also condense moons around them from something resembling a Oort Cloud or Kuiper belt.

Probably easier for ejections in a star nursery, to have a secondary accretion within that nursery, but I would not rule out a rouge planet drifting into a thick cloud and then having an additional accretion event.

This then might create something I want very much. A Super Earth with its own moons, as a rogue too cool to see with our current technology.

If we could find these, and particularly if nearby, then good things could be done, in my opinion.
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But of course odds are rather low for that. But a Super Earth or Earth sized with a significant moon would be useful.
We could establish robots on each of these, perhaps even the Super Earth, if there is one. Geothermal from a Super Earth could be beamed up to a Moon where humans might better dwell.
Even if rockets could not escape the Super Earth robots assigned to work on the Super Earth would not be stranded there, as their minds could be beamed back and forth. And Humans as well, could have robot bodies on that Super Earth.
So, as a rogue planet scheme that as well could be a useful pattern.

So, the Super Earth could have a rocky surface, or an icy surface or a liquid water surface. It would have significant Geo heat. It might have winds. The atmosphere might be crushing, but even so with any type of surface, it might be possible to establish energy harvesting, and the energy could be beamed to a moon, which hopefully would exist.

Robots on the Super Earth even if physically stranded could beam their minds up and down from the moon or moons.
Humans might likely only live on the moons or in orbit, but they also could have telepresence on the surface of the Super Earth. Ideally one or more moon would not have completely differentiated so that rocky materials would be available.

If it turns out that fusion becomes an economic form of energy, then the vast atmosphere of the Super Earth could supply fusion fuels, and again energy to be beamed up to the moons. (I hope a thick atmosphere would not block that).

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