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#2926 Yesterday 08:40:18

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Pro-Natalism may come to some who don't have it, should humanoid robots take some of the load of child care, I think.  Also, I think that society may change its mind.  It may not persist that women will think themselves superior to tradition, by trying to be boss ladies without children.

There are two bazar insanities in the human race that help them to persist.
1) Women doing stuff that will cause them to become infected with another human which will burst out of their gut package painfully.  They technically are crazy to let men infect them, but they do of course, as only people with such insanity have genes that persist.
2) Men that have an urge to play with the female parts.  Not quite as insane, if you can get away with being irresponsible, and con other people into raising your children for you.

That is to coo-coo men.  Perhaps if they have unusual traits such as being good in battle this is good for a tribe.  But their selfishness displaces other capable men from the gene pool.

As for "decent" men who willingly take responsibility for their "Brood", this is similar to the woman, as it is a form of insanity, to perpetuate the genes.

Those are cold-blooded analysis.  I don't actually mock those who behave with honor in procreations.  But logically it is a futile activity as we know that eventually there will be no human race as we might recognize it.

But we may like it when the music plays, so why not have the music play in that case?

The society we had before which encouraged procreation, may have perpetuated maladaptive individuals who did not actually enjoy the full completion of successful precreation.  (Producing useful adults).

The surviving populations later should be full of insane people who want to sing the song of procreations, therefore. 

Since we are here it seems like what makes sense to me, even though I have not.

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#2927 Yesterday 09:29:01

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Calliban,

I'm after proximal solutions to our problems.  I don't need the obvious problems pointed out to me, because they are so obvious that I already know what those underlying problems are and I know that they need to be addressed.  Rather than continuing to dither while whining about the problems, I want to aggressively pursue workable solutions.  I don't want any country to fail, least of all the country I live in, but that's exactly where we're headed if we keep doing what we've been doing.

I do not delight in the problems and sorrows of others, either.  However, I do not fixate on the problems of others when I have so many problems of my own to work through.  Furthermore, I do not see any point to complaining.  I only care about solutions, and whether or not what is proposed approximates a workable solution.  We've spent the past 20 years and 5 to 10 trillion dollars pursuing photovoltaics and wind turbines, which have thus far failed to do more than merely add a couple of percentage points to our overall energy mix.  Since that has failed to live up to its promises, it's on to the next potential solution.

We've extensively evaluated the major technical points, merits, and demerits of various "new energy" alternatives that we require to lead us back to prosperity.  I think we should push hard for those solutions while everyone is trying to figure out what's next, because they will continue to serve us and our children.

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#2928 Yesterday 09:51:05

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Let me put this in even simpler terms that maybe everyone can understand.

What happens to the rest of the global economy if the US collapses under the weight of all the debt we're accumulating through this toxic combination of massive trade deficits, insane money printing that's not backed by organic economic growth which would warrant increasing the M1 money supply, spending policies that are counter-productive at best, and unsustainable entitlements?

The problem isn't the taxes.  We're already taxed to death.  The problem is that our government keeps spending money it doesn't have by writing an ever-growing stack of IOUs, which we cannot possibly pay.  Their spending policies make the rich ever-richer and the poor ever-poorer.  Rather than investing in the local economy, most of the rich people find every possible way to send our money and jobs overseas.  We're not stupid, we know quite well what they're doing to us, but since they can and do buy off our politicians from both parties to formulate policies intended to relegate the rest of us to serfdom, we could not find anyone at all to represent our interests until President Trump was elected.

If American citizens spent their personal money like the US federal government spends everyone's money:
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The Biden administration's addition to the US debt (the equivalent of 2 centuries worth of debt in only 4 years):
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These people never met a dollar they didn't want to spend, and their pens are writing cheques we can't cash:
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Defense spending vs every other form of government spending:
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The interest on debt payments is 11% of the entire federal budget.

Spending on defense and every other discretionary program is 13% of the entire federal budget.

Spending on entitlements is now 68% of the entire federal budget.

We could cut defense spending to zero and it would have no effect whatsoever on our government's spending problem.  They'd make absolutely certain that all of the defense spending was both retained and even increased by the very next day, it would merely go to some other idiotic idea.

How much do you figure other countries will be able to sell to Americans who can no longer afford to pay for necessities and a government that's either defaulting on its debt or making its currency even more worthless than it already is?

Who else are you going to start trading with, and why not do that right now?

If the Russians or Chinese decide they want a piece of your country for themselves, who is going to stop them?

Everyone else is talking a good game about defense spending while not actually making the required investements into their own defense.

In many western nations, the local population is aging out.  It's becoming an old folks home.  Old folks are not going to drive consumption-led organic economic growth.

If America collapses, then what?

What's your end game?

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#2929 Yesterday 11:52:17

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kbd512 wrote:

The Fulcrum - Business Democracy -  Just the Facts: Canadian Tariffs

Before President Trump took office, what tariffs did Canada impose on U.S. goods, and what percentages were there on various products exported to the US?

Before January 1st, Canada had tariffs on certain U.S. products, primarily in sectors protected under its supply management system. These included:

Dairy Products: Tariffs ranged from 200% to 300% on items like milk, cheese, and butter to protect Canadian dairy farmers.
Poultry and Eggs: Similar high tariffs were applied to chicken, turkey, and eggs.
Grain Products: Some grains faced tariffs, though these were generally lower than those on dairy and poultry.

That's a lie and you know it. I already posted this, I'll repeat. Watch it.

RobertDyck wrote:

YouTube video from CBC News: Is Trump right about Canada charging 250% tariffs? | About That
12 minute, 55 second video. Very clear and simple. Canada bought so much dairy from the US, only Mexico bought more. Canada bought US$1.14 billion last year. Yet, not a single dollar was paid in tariff. Not one penny.

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#2930 Yesterday 12:20:38

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RobertDyck,

World Trade Organization - Canada Part A.1 Tariffs and imports - 2022 to 2023

The World Trade Organization's records are a more trustworthy source for information on Canadian tariffs / import duties applied than the CBC or you.  If you don't like those facts, then tell your leadership to start changing them.

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#2931 Yesterday 16:24:57

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Robert, it has occurred to me that in the long run Canada and Mexico, may prosper along with the USA, if we end up with a sort of common Tariff system to countries external to North America.

But Canada kind of failed the pinch test didn't they.  Mexico did better with it.

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#2932 Yesterday 17:36:51

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Canada needs to confront its demographic problems, like most other high income countries.  Their finances will continue deteriorating until they do.  Without a healthy demographic structure, there just isn't a big enough internal market to support domestic industry.  Canadians need to have more kids.  That also applies to pretty much every other country with good living standards.  Elon Musk understands this.  Hopefully, he can raise awareness of the problem.  The solution set is limited and rather tough.


"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."

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#2933 Yesterday 18:38:23

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I think that the family unit was shorted of resources, such as time, to produce wealth, but the wealth was wasted on unwise things.  Among those would be wars for the sake of having wars.

I think that there is a classic situation is where someone in charge of something with insufficient talent resorts to shorting the needs for production of a profit.

For instance, we could dream of making cows so tough that they could eat rocks and still produce the farm products desired.  Many people in charge think that by applying cruelty, they can show just how powerful and smart they are.

In my working life I have encountered lots of unusual characters.  I had one who was a male, and he claimed that a feminine product for sale, burned out the nerve endings that are important for sexual enjoyment for a female.  The case he cited, was of a Vietnamese female who came here, and discovered that that product did that.  The ending of its use reversed the problem.

Now I don't know how true that was.  I could have been.  But for the upper classes of some types there could be money, in causing damage to the relationships between female/male pairing for the purpose of family forming.  The incentive to do that is much like causing a drug addiction.  But in this case, you first cripple the relationship, and then you sell products which claim to be a remedy for the problem of non-functional binary relationships.

A feature of that would be to hypnotize the population to believe that some subset of people had a history of a behavior that was bad.  Of course, here I am referring to men/boys are bad.  While it can certainly be true, the constant re-enforcement of the claim, then helps reduce success in family establishment and maintenance.

Maybe some psychopath, decided, that it would be great to pull the female out of a family and have her work 60 hours a week to live alone with cats.

In any case by blunder or evil, families are time starved.  A couple of robots in the family unit may help that.

We could have discussions of speculation on why there are no marsupial, humanoids, as I think the Placental process may set some things up that lead to us, but maybe we need another topic for that.

Have I annoyed the board?  I can certainly modify my behaviors.

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#2934 Yesterday 22:55:59

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Calliban wrote:

Canada needs to confront its demographic problems, like most other high income countries.  Their finances will continue deteriorating until they do.  Without a healthy demographic structure, there just isn't a big enough internal market to support domestic industry.  Canadians need to have more kids.  That also applies to pretty much every other country with good living standards.  Elon Musk understands this.  Hopefully, he can raise awareness of the problem.  The solution set is limited and rather tough.

That is true, but there are several complications. There is broad cultural support for LBGTQ. But that is a natural feature of our species. Naturally 2% to 3% are LBGTQ. The "T" is relatively new when viewed over thousands of years. The purpose is to limit population growth: when there is the perception of overpopulation, more people become LBGTQ. Two gay men cannot have children because neither have a womb. Two lesbians cannot, unless one cheats with a man. Transsexuals cannot period because they have their gonads cut off: testicles or womb/ovaries. In the 1960s, LBGTQ people were locked up in a mental institution until they could prove to a doctor there were straight. That's so wrong, I don't know how to describe it. But now LBGTQ is celebrated, and some schools treat them as celebrities. That's also wrong. We need tolerance, but mainstream media is designed to promote and sell something, they've been "selling" homosexuality. I've heard lesbians and gays claim no one is trying to recruit, but at a bar I was approached by one woman who bragged to her friend that she converted straight women to become bi. The guy I was with looked at me as if to say that woman was trying to hit on me. I didn't turn around, just said that I don't date lesbians. If they want other women, I don't have what they want. That woman went away, but this demonstrates there are efforts to recruit. Schools teaching sexuality to kindergarten are grooming. Liberals don't want to accept this, but we need to back off. LBGTQ should not be normalized, it must be treated as something to be tolerated but not normal.

I've heard young people, especially those from southern California, claim the proportion of LBGTQ is greater than 10%. If that's so, then we have a major problem. That is a deliberate effort to reduce birth rate. Reducing birth rate is what LBGTQ is for.

We don't have an overpopulation problem. For those in the US, try taking a road trip in the lower 48 states, west of the 98th line of longitude, and at least 30 miles away from the Pacific coast. That area is roughly half the land area of the lower 48, yet is very sparsely populated. So get out of the large crowded cities and see what the rest of country is like.

For those in Canada, get away from the greater metropolitan areas of Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal. I live in Winnipeg, a big beautiful city surrounded by miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles. (old slogan) The city has experienced a population boom since Trudeau's massive immigration push. Population is now well over 900,000. This summer will probably reach 1 million. But outside the city is forest and farms. The second largest city in the province is Brandon, about a 2.5 hour drive from here. Brandon has a population of about 51,000 (2021 census). The closest cities with a population over 300,000 are Calgary (14 hour drive), or Minneapolis (8 hour drive). If you list cities over 150,000 people, Regina has greatly expanded in recent years to 282,000 (6 hour drive).

Some people claimed we won't be able to feed the population, but population growth has practically stopped world-wide, and food production is enough to feed everyone. If there's hunger, that means people are too poor to buy food. That isn't a food production problem, it's a poverty problem. And food production technology is continuing to improve. The planet will continue to produce even more food, even though the population has plateaued.

Another issue is a book by Dr. Sarah E. Hill, Ph.D. She's a psychologist who specializes in how hormones affect women's brains. She found the high estrogen during ovulation causes growth of new white matter in the brain, and dendritic spikes of nerve cells infiltrate the new white matter. When estrogen subsides, the dendritic spikes retract. She believes this is required for an adolescent girl to mature to become an adult woman. But hormonal birth control prevents the high level of estrogen required for ovulation. That also prevents maturation of a girl's brain. To put it bluntly, this makes me wonder if this is one reason for rise of homosexuality and bi-sexuality in girls. And is this one reason for rise in promiscuity of young women. Dr. Hill said once a woman is 18 years old or older, the negative effects of hormonal birth control can be undone simply by stop taking the pill. Banning use of hormonal birth control for girls under age 18 could be a political issue. Hormonal birth control includes the pill, implant, NuvaRing, and one brand of IUD. Adolescent girls could still use condoms, female condoms, diaphragm, or contraceptive sponge with spermicide. A copper IUD has other dangers; one woman said it shouldn't be used until a woman has given birth to her first baby.

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#2935 Yesterday 22:57:18

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But a major factor limiting young people having children is housing. People tend to not have children unless they living in a home with a yard. An efficiency apartment just doesn't have room for children. So that means stop building high-rise buildings with tiny apartments, and instead build houses with a yard. And those houses must be affordable. Affordability is a major issue here.

I mentioned 3 cities in Canada with overcrowding. The rest of the country is pretty much vacant. One issue is southern Ontario has a climate able to grow certain fruits and vegetables that cannot grow elsewhere in Canada. The Okanagan Valley in BC can grow them, but that's it. Southern Ontario is south of the 49th parallel. There is a "green belt" that is supposed to be reserved for food production and wildlife. Some people want to free that for housing, industrial, and other city development. That's wrong, we need to reserve land in southern Ontario for agriculture. That means convincing people in Southern Ontario to get out. Get out of that part of the country, move to where it's colder. Temperature isn't that much colder; I lived in Toronto for 3 years.

I did suggest a new town constructed outside the green belt, where land is completely unsuitable for any form of agriculture. There is land northwest of the city of Orillia. I suggested a town with no front street, just a back lane. No private vehicles allowed inside the town. A parkade (multi-level parking structure) built on the edge of the town. With a subway tunnel beneath the back lane, with taxi size rail cars, computer driven. Software to drive a vehicle is a lot simpler on rails, and in a tunnel where people are not allowed to walk. A "subway station" the size of a single car garage underground at every house, with a door connected to the basement. Where the front street or bay would go, there would be land allocated, but with trees and grass, and just a single walkway the size of a sidewalk down the centre. I suggest making it like Wildwood Park in Winnipeg. But while Wildwood allows cars in the back lane, this town would not. Moving trucks, construction vehicles, etc would use the back lane. It would be safe for children, because practically no surface vehicles. A small mall with a grocery store within walking distance, connected to the rail system. An automated rail truck could deliver a shipping container to the store: 20', 40', or 53'. A rail "highway" would connect this town to the subway system of Toronto. Rail taxis could connect bumper-to-bumper to form a convoy. The convoy would drive at high speed along the highway: 200 to 300 km/h. Let engineers work out detail. The convoy would merge with subway trains, let passengers off at an existing subway station. A smartphone app could call a rail taxi. If you want pickup at a Toronto subway station, you would have to keep the smartphone app open while you wait. The taxi would stop for you very briefly, then move on so it doesn't block subway trains. The app would identify which taxi is for you, and the taxi would verify you via the app on your smartphone. So for those who work in an office tower in downtown Toronto, a taxi would pick them up in the morning at their house, drop them off at the subway station closest to work.

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#2936 Yesterday 23:03:35

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I posted the "Jake Broe" video to that group with a large number of MAGA people. Some people there agree with me. I write a summary of the video for those who don't want to watch it. The video is about half an hour long, 36:52 this time. Jake Broe is focused on the war in Ukraine. I post to a men's channel, but there are some who are American isolationists, who don't want to get involved with foreign wars. Others are completely taken-in by Russian propaganda, believing every lie that Russian agents post. Others are more reasonable. I post because those who believe the propaganda are truly disturbing; they need to learn what's really going on.

I could post a link to the video. I could repost my summary here. Or just drop it. Do you guys want to see?

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