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For kbd512....
If the problems we've encountered so far are the ** only ** problems in this situation, I would count us as lucky!
There is apparently a way to create a little php script that will exercise the password creation feature.
An alternative is to activate the login feature, and create a new user to become an Admin.
The password hash feature should create a new password hash for that user. If you can log in, then we are 99% of the way home. You can upgrade that user to full Admin, and reset the password for the Mods. Each of us can then log in using the temporary password, and we should then be able to set our own password. This would be a useful exercise.
We have so few active members right now that (I am hoping) no one will object to going through a password reset process in order to gain use of the new software.
Follow up.... since you will need to update the database directly to enable registrations, would you like me to research that, or do you already know what to do?
Update a bit later .... in study of phpBB3, I've taken a look at manager.php.
It appears to contain code that deals with passwords, but at this point I don't understand what's going on.
All I know for sure is that in phpBB3 (latest version) there is no salt field in the database. Apparently that was discarded some time ago.
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Sorry about the meeting as I had fallen asleep.
Password hash is part of the user table backup
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For SpaceNut .... after the long week you've just experienced, you're entitled to that little bit of extra rest! Plus, I'm guessing you put in a full day at work trying to catch up on the week away.
As a reminder, GW Johnson is out of town so we won't be hearing from him for a day or so.
I ** just ** put up a new Python program and if your computer is still running after the recent repairs, I'm hoping you might be able to download the program and run it. I ** think ** you already had Python installed, but if not it should install on your Windows machine.
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Today's planned Google Meeting is on schedule.
The Waiting room will open a few minutes before midnight UTC.
Topics may include the ongoing installation of FluxBB 1.5.12 on the Mars Society servers, and recent discussion of Aldrin Cyclers and related Solar System bodies of various sizes.
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The Waiting Room is open at 23:55
The video recommended by OldFart1939 is well worth watching.
The explosion at the Starship landing site is a nice conclusion to the entire sequence.
Update ...
We set a new record for participation this evening:
SpaceNut
kbd512
GW Johnson
We watched part of the Manley video of the Starship flight, and then looked at images of early designs for what later became the Space Shuttle.
Post meeting summary:
Thanks again to everyone who stopped by. I thought this was another interesting meeting, with a wide range of discussion, ending with a deep dive into manganese enhanced steel. That steel was discovered/developed in 1882 (according to Wikipedia) and it remains a very useful alloy to this day.
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The weekly NewMars Google Meeting is on track to begin at midnight UTC as usual.
This week we have a number of possible topics:
1) FluxBB 1.5.12 is almost ready for live testing
2) SpaceNut has been renovating his house so we may get to see a progress report
3) GW Johnson has published a number of ideas recently, including possible repair of the tunnel from Zvezda to a docking port
4) kbd512 and Calliban have been discussing a number of ideas
5) Other topics as participants come up with them
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The Google Meeting appears to be on track ... the Waiting room will open a few minutes before Midnight UTC.
SpaceNut, kbd512 and GW Johnson are all present.
SpaceNut is updating us on the work on his house.
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Today's Google Meeting is on schedule....
Daylight savings is ending in the US on November 3rd.
I notice that the equivalent of Daylight Savings seems to have just ended in Great Britain. The Greenwich time now matches UTC.
Until November 3rd, we'll still be opening the waiting room at midnight UTC.
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Systems check for today's Google Meeting ....
Things seem to be working.
It is UTC 22:28:51
Back at 23:55 or so
23:50 Setting up
midnight UTC /// open for visitors
kbd512 and SpaceNut are online.
This was another interesting meeting, and we can add the word productive to the list.
SpaceNut brought us up to date on the house renovation there in New Hampshire, and kbd512 made progress in the final adjustments to bring FluxBB 1.5.12 online. We are ** so ** close to having this system working, but it's often true that the last 1% of any project is the hardest.
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Daylight Savings Time has expired in the US.
Midnight UTC will now occur at 8 PM Houston time and 9 PM New Hampshire time.
It will also be Midnight UK time in case we have a nightowl in Europe who would care to attend.
A key advantage for staying with Midnight UTC is that it is a better time for California, Oregon or Washington participants at 7 PM instead of 6 PM.
I have invited Mr. Burk (Executive Director of the Mars Society) to attend this week's meeting, in hopes we can put the finishing touches on the FluxBB 1.5.12 upgrade. The time change would make it more convenient for Mr. Burk, if he decides to attend.
In order to accommodate the needs of the members, I will open a Google Meeting twice this evening.
I'll open the first session at 8 PM New Hampshire time, and the second at Midnight UTC ( 9 PM New Hampshire).
We have the option to use Zoom as well. It still works (as of the last test).
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Equipment for tonight's Google meeting seems to be working.
As a reminder, due to the change from Daylight Savings Time in the US, the standard meeting time of 12 Midnight UTC is moving to an hour later.
I've decided to keep this schedule for a meeting after the new Houston Time meeting.
Because our Texas members have found the 7 PM meeting time convenient, I'll open Google Meeting at 2300 UTC.
This two meeting schedule may be more than I can handle going forward, but I'll try it this evening.
A two meeting schedule would allow for separation of socializing from productive work.
The social interactions provided by the Zoom/Google-Meeting venue have proven valuable to NewMars members over a couple of years now.
Occasionally we are able slip a few minutes of useful activity into the mix.
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The waiting room is open for the Houston Google Meeting at 2300 UTC.
The first discussion was about Skylon
the next discussion is about Roman concrete:
https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concret … casts-0106
Does Mars have Calcium?
Mars might use Sulfur for concrete.
Update after reading the MIT news article at the link above: There are several items reported in the article that may be of interest to NewMars members.
The article reports on the use of modern instruments to study ancient Roman concrete. The key finding is that what we now call "quicklime" was used in the mixture in such as way as to cause heating of the mixture during curing, which led to formation of compounds that would not be present otherwise. however,the greatest benefit discovered by the researchers is self-curing capability. If a crack forms, and water enters the crack, the Roman mix is able to create new structure to fill the crack so that water stops flowing.
Quicklime: (per Google)
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quick·lime
/ˈkwikˌlīm/
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noun: quicklimea white caustic alkaline substance consisting of calcium oxide, which is obtained by heating limestone and which combines with water with the production of much heat; lime.
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late Middle English: from quick + lime1, after Latin calx viva or Anglo-Norman French chaux vive .
Use over time for: quicklime
As a follow up... there is plenty of Calcium on Mars...
Per Google:
Calcium is found in many places on Mars, including in the crust, in deposits, and in minerals:
Calcium carbonate
Found in the soils around the Phoenix landing site, calcium carbonate is evidence that Mars once had a thicker carbon dioxide atmosphere and more water.Calcium-rich deposits
NASA's Curiosity rover found calcium deposits on Mars that are similar to those on Earth, where water circulates in cracks and rock fractures.
Calcium sulfate
A special type of calcium sulfate, γ-CaSO4, has been found in Martian meteorites and in extremely arid Mars-like regions.
Calcium in the crust
Calcium is one of the most abundant elements in the Martian crust, along with iron, magnesium, aluminum, and potassium.
Pyroxene minerals
Both low-calcium (ortho-) and high-calcium (clino-) pyroxenes are present on Mars.
Calcium perchlorate
Studies suggest that magnesium and calcium perchlorate at the base of the subglacial lakes on Mars could lower the freezing point of water.Evidence for calcium carbonate at the Mars Phoenix landing site
Calcium carbonate (approximately 3 to 5 weight percent) has been identified in the soils around the Phoenix landing site by scanni...
National Institutes of Health (NIH) (.gov)Curiosity Finds Calcium-Rich Deposits - NASA Science
Jan 18, 2013 — NASA's Curiosity rover finds calcium deposits on Mars similar to those seen on Earth when water circulates in cracks a...
NASA Science
Discovery of Calcium Sulfate at different hydration states on ...
5 days ago — A special type of calcium sulfate, γ-CaSO4, also exists on Mars, but in earth γ-CaSO4 is rapidly converted to bassanite ...
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Today is Google Meeting day for NewMars forums.
Last week we adjusted to the end of Daylight Savings Time.
Houston time is 1 AM UTC, so it is definitely out of reach for our European members
Conversely, midnight UTC is 6 PM Houston time, which is inconvenient for most families.
I'll keep midnight UTC as an option if it works for anyone, but the scheduled meeting will open at 1 AM UTC, 7 PM Houston, 8 PM New Hampshire.
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Equipment seems to be working for tonight's Google Meeting at 1 AM UTC/7 PM Houston time/8 PM New Hampshire time.
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Got a new cellphone but need to finish fixing Google account had to connect using my wife's old phone.
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The waiting room is open.
Update after meeting ...
We spent a few minutes reviewing kbd512's recent post about discoveries of improved materials for radiation protection.
Then kbd512 dove into the FluxBB upgrade problem, and he succeeded in activating the login feature
All members ** should ** be able to log in now at newmars.com/new
Please do so! The database is a copy from a few weeks ago.
the only feature not yet working is the style sheets, and since that is a common problem (as reported by Google) there is a decent chance we'll be able to figure it out.
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I did login to newmars forum and new and it resets newmars forum not allowing for a day to be able to login but seemed ok. Found a way to access accounts on old cell with wifi tethering for now.
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For SpaceNut re #217
Thanks for testing the new software running in the new directory! We are ** so ** close... all the indications from Google lookup about the problem are that we have a file permissions issue to solve. Everything else that we've tested seems to be working but we haven't tested any of the Admin functions.
If you have time and your smart phone allows you to do so, please test the Admin features. Remember, this is a ** copy ** of the data base so you can make changes in the test account without disturbing the production account. Please just make sure your are ** in ** the test account !!!
Best wishes for continued progress on your home renovation project. I am looking forward to seeing your progress the next time we get together.
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Today is Google Meeting day.
We'll use Houston meeting time of 7 PM (19:00)
That's 8 PM (20:00) New Hampshire time.
It'll be 1 AM in Europe, and I'm not expecting anyone from Europe to join. It's a work day the next day.
The primary agenda item from my perspective is what I hope will be a successful negotiation of the last hurdle to bring the updated FluxBB package online.
Members (and guests) can see the current almost-working version at http://NewMars.com/new
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The next Starship test is scheduled for Monday in the evening Eastern time. That will be priority viewing for some NewMars members.
Elon Musk or Gwynne Shotwell was quoted recently as estimating 400 Starship launches in the not too distant future.
If that happens, it ** will ** be something to watch. It might even get boring, at that launch rate.
Elon was quoted recently as predicting a launch of unscrewed Starships to Mars at the next Hohmann Transfer window in two years.
He doesn't seem to have a strategy for landing worked out yet. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with.
The Falcon 9 first stage, with it's drop-down fold-out landing legs is a model that might work, if the Mars terrain chosen for landing is stable.
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Update .. the waiting room is open
Equipment check for tonight's Google meeting seemed to go well.
The waiting room will open a 7 PM Houston time, 8 PM New Hampshire, and 1 AM Europe/UTC.
I'm not expecting anyone from Europe.
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I fixed the stylesheets on the "new" NewMars forums.
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For kbd512 re #221
Thanks for your report of progress! the default permissions are working for persons not logged in.
When I logged in I got the usual display without style sheet.
My guess is that the www-data ownership is needed?
That's just a guess. I have my personal css set to Fire so it should have appeared after I logged in.
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It is Sunday and we have scheduled a Google Meeting for NewMars members at the Houston time of 7 PM / 19:00.
For New Hampshire that will be 8 PM / 20:00
We still have a tiny set of tweaks to make to the new FluxBB package, so I am hoping we can address those.
GW Johnson has offered to help with a project at NASA, so there is an opportunity to discuss how he might prepare for that..
Void recently published an ambitious concept to harvest carbon and other materials from asteroids, including the fourth largest one.
The new topic about building components for large structures on Earth has received some interesting updates recently.
GW Johnson recently suggested using inflatable modules as components of a large deep space vessel.. This suggestion looks promising from several points of view. Such modules can be carried to LEO in the planned open-jaws version of Starship. They would be large enough to serve as a cabin for one person, as well as a work space. In addition, the material has the ability to block some radiation due to the use of lighter mass atoms in the foam.
I have re-activated a version of the Zoom Meeting and would like to see if we can get it to work. That is a very low priority, but I would like to have the Zoom capability as a backup for Google Meeting.
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Rain delayed work on house rebuild and improvement with more materials being ordered for Tuesday use followed by more deliveries to do roof and more to seal it up before more weather happens.
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For SpaceNut ... thanks for the update. I'm testing the Google Meeting set up now, and expect to have the waiting room open for guests on the hour sharp.
Hope to see you then!
GW has a lot going on, as does kbd512.
We are expecting a ** lot ** of snow in the next couple of days but it may be a delay before it reaches you. Best wishes for good weather for the roof replacement!
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