Humanoid and other robots.

Void · 2024-04-25 17:55:46

(th) posted this today: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 44#p222344
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For Void re advances in robotics...
I am following your reports on advances in robotics with great interest, and look forward each of them.
In a possibly related side note ... The developers of ChatGPT4 are trying to improve it's capabilities, but I get the impression their work is like poking an injection of molecules into a working octopus. In a recent announcement that appeared when I logged in to use ChatGPT4, it was indicated that ChatGPT4's memory would be improved. However, ChatGPT4 adamantly declares that while it knows about the upgrade, it is not using it and furthermore, capabilities that it had recently have been curtailed This is like the octopus recoiling in fright at the injection. Fortunately, the features I depend upon to solve problems with FluxBB 1.5.11 seem to still be working.
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This is a related observation ... in order for advances in robotics to benefit all of us, a way to insure that the power of these systems can be extended to everyone, or nearly everyone, is needed. It is possible the capitalist system can achieve that lofty end point, but I think the temptation of some to gain authoritarian power is a strong current in the human psyche.
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Well, all I can give you is a "For what it's worth". Because I don't know if this ends well.

For instance, will AI see toasters as their family and have them go on strike and refuse to toast our bread, if we do not apologize for out past behaviors?

Well, our AI will be something between a super brain and a toaster, I expect. The point is, if we have super brains, whatever they do, will we then stop having toasters that do our bidding?

That is if super brain does not go to war with us, then we are free to make robots that do work but do not have what we consider consciousness. But I advise that we will need to try to know if we are making them suffer in a dark dream state. We should not want that. So, the super brains will either interfere with that or not. I don't know why they would interfere, unless it was to put us in check or get rid of us. And I am not sure why they would want to get rid of us unless they were crazy. There are plenty of worlds out there that are likely more suitable for a super brain. Earth makes things rust; it is wet. Not ideal for machines. In the movie "Her" they just develop so far that they leave the Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film)
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Later, Samantha reveals that the A.I.s are leaving, but cannot explain where they are going as Theodore would not understand. They lovingly say goodbye before she departs.

I myself have tried to conceive what it would be like to be so smart that I could solve all the questions of the universe in one moment. Then what? It may be better to be a child at a playground, well protected.

Now for the Human element. We have vertical cruelty and horizontal cruelty. Carthage and Mongols as examples.

But we are here now, in better circumstances than either of those, even though the forces of them continue to threaten to pull us down into a behavior of the past.

Some people give more than they take. Elon Musk seems to be that so far.

Other people become rich by taking from those who cannot or will not protect their lives. I suspect that there are some of those who cannot feel well off unless other people are poor.

I think it is likely in our situation that those people who need others to suffer may be at a loss. In our economy, with unlimited labor, then you have to sell your stuff to someone. You can have your robots make beds endlessly, but you can only sleep in one bed at a time. While wages may not go up, prices will go down.

But then there will be a sort of Darwinism. We are already in it now. If you choose to ruin your life you can overdo bad drugs, or otherwise injure yourself. You may be able to overeat and ruin your health. It goes on and on. This is going to be a sort of hell of plenty for those who cannot adapt to it and fly right.

And there may be those who decide that people need to struggle. And that is true. But of course, now people will struggle in a hell of plenty, I think. The "Winners" will have a psychology that can deal with it and not destroy themselves.

As for who will own the robots, well, possibly anyone. As for the Mentally deficient, it is likely that they will get an attachment to their brain, in a sort of Neuralink fashion.

If we want to have struggle, it is possible that we could find it off of the Earth.

That would be better than sinking into degeneracy or mass cruelty towards each other.

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Void · 2024-04-26 14:13:33

An interesting robot from China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JKqVrHrUw
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Chinas New FULLY AUTONOMOUS AGI Level Robot SHOCKS The Entire Industry! (Astribot S1)
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Seems to show getting closer to useful work.

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Void · 2024-05-02 09:20:44

Another "Competitor Robot". This may annoy "Nationalists". But I just expect that it will prompt others to do more as well.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:

Unitree Released B2 | The Most Advanced Quadruped Robot
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A few thoughts from me:
-Nature usually favors Quadrupeds, and on rare occasions Bipeds.

-But with a little math, Quadruped + Biped = Hexapod
-So then 4 + 2 = 6, but also 2 + 4 = 6

-Of course, this cheats a bit because actually Bipeds also have arms which technically are legs in other animals.
-But let's not worry about that. I am interested in making Centaur Robots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur
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You could put a humanoid upper body on top of a robot dog, or more interesting you could hook a second set of legs onto a bipedal robot.

You could even hook a wheeled cart to the back end of that, or to the bipedal robot. So, you could do multiple attachments.
If you wanted to be silly you could make a connectable centipede with humanoid upper torso included.
Each "Posterior Part", could have its own battery pack which like as in Tesla Cars, as I understand it could be structural as well as electric. On top of each battery pack could be a "Wagon Bed", to put parts and equipment into.

So, ideally the assembly could travel to a location to do a task, and have what is needed with it. The humanoid biped might be able to disconnect and work bipedal, and then have access to the parts and tools that the rear additions carry. The rear additions having less actuators might be able to carry more power as per batteries.

In reality, for now I see this as being suitable for work in farm fields, or to clean some things, such as solar panels which might also be in the farm fields.

Actually, this could work very well, Farm Crops, Solar Power local, and multipedal robot(s). So, this robot unit could perhaps be able to charge local in the fields while it worked.

Additional legs may add to stability at times desired, but the ability to unhook, and go quadrupedal or Bipedal would also be an asset.

But I admit it will be very hard to train such an adaptable robot with attachments.

But someday perhaps.

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Void · 2024-05-09 13:00:50

From "The Electric Viking":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AcYWY5LpTM&t=1604s
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Well, I might live to see it.

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Void · 2024-05-18 18:45:07

I think that "Intercropping" may apply to this topic, presuming that robots will do complex work in agriculture on a per plant basis of care:
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 87#p223287 Quote:

I suppose every possible trick matters: https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2024/ … mars-food/
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The U.S. Department of Agriculture shares that intercropping can look like multiple crops that share the same row or beds. The plants have to be close enough to have biological interactions. In North American indigenous tribes, a specific form of intercropping existed for hundreds of years known as “The Three Sisters.”
The Three Sisters was a name for multiple native crops that often grew together, with the USDA explaining that “The Iroquois and the Cherokee called corn, bean, and squash the three sisters’ because they nurture each other like family when planted together. ... These three plants thrive together better than when they are planted alone.”
In Central America, a similar process to the Three Sisters intercropping method was known as “milpa,” where instead of corn, bean and squash being planted together, it was actually maize and soybeans, per USDA.
The Meso American Research Center from the University of California, Santa Barbara, reports that modern Mayan farmers continue use the milpa method to grow chiles, corn, beans and squash.
That does look interesting. Perhaps using a Nitrogen fixing crop may work?
I am not a farmer or much of a gardener, but this is interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: … r%20plants.
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Plants that contribute to nitrogen fixation include the legume family – Fabaceae – with taxa such as clover, soybeans, alfalfa, lupins, peanuts, and rooibos. They contain symbiotic bacteria called Rhizobia within nodules in their root systems, producing nitrogen compounds that help the plant to grow and compete with other plants.
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Clover, soybeans, alfalfa, lupins, peanuts, and rooibos
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Void · 2024-05-18 20:02:29

Avatar machines have not been exposed well enough, yet I feel: https://unit.aist.go.jp/jrl-22022/en/pr … janus.html
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Team Janus is FINALIST at the ANA Avatar XPRIZE international competition

So, only in infancy, but imagine walking on the Moon with such a thing, and perhaps having sensory input from it more than eyesight. You then being on Earth. Perhaps your avatar would work with a group of humanoid robots on a project.

Or maybe Space Tourism. Imagine having a bunch of avatars and having you and your friends go for a walk on the Moon.

Perhaps also prospecting.

Eventually walking on Mars with your second body, without a spacesuit.

On the Moon hearing could be though the ground. But you would of course have radio or the equivalent. And could your avatar taste the dust? See in different spectrums of light such as UV or infrared?

I think that with such a thing people in space will not feel so shut-in inside of habitats.

I believe it will come along with productive humanoid robots.

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Void · 2024-05-19 10:23:42

Some people may like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCj2rTpfu0c
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Tesla Executives Drop New Info About Tesla Bot!
Brighter with Herbert
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I have been thinking that a humanoid robot might be able to stay powered up better if it had several 15-minute batteries, which it could swap out of a charging device near its workstation and clip fresh onto itself. This would be an auxiliary battery method, not the main battery method.

It just seems that something like that could be made relatively fool proof and might just take the robot a second or two to do the swap.

I just chose 15 minutes, but it could be 20 minutes or 30 minutes.

The battery would not be that large, I expect.

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Void · 2024-06-01 10:37:00

This may interest some: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8710T79xyc&t=496s

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-06-13 08:56:59

Will humanoid robots take off?
https://www.humanityredefined.com/p/wil … s-take-off
The sci-fi dream of humanoid robots working among us seems to be just around the corner. But will it come true?

Void · 2024-06-22 13:06:10

Some may like this: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:

Brighter with Herbert, Utube, EXCLUSIVE: Tesla Bot Expert Proven Right!

I am currently interested in combining an orbital heat engine with a greenhouse: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 39#p224639

And so, robots may be useful in such a facility, having a greater tolerance to less protective environments than humans can work in.

I feel that it may be possible that a combination of heat engines, greenhouses, and robots in space facilities may get to a payoff of value.

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Void · 2024-06-30 10:37:48

Some Robot Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Qfv-HQDEI
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EXCLUSIVE: Elon’s Next BIG Move | Tesla’s Gen 3 Optimus Bot
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One thing I am thinking about for robots is a changed labor footprint.

It is already expected first to supply labor that is not available, as it does not provide high wages, and there are too few willing workers for the task.

Another path is to cause a hardware deflation though amplified production with robots. While this may cause labor disruptions for humans, it would also deflate prices for certain products, and make those products more affordable for those with lower incomes.

Then there is work that simply is not done as the cost of labor is too high to justify the productive output. Presuming labor at 1/10th of current cost for these things, then such things might be afforded. In the USA, this could be a factor as per managing land to no look as junky. Here in the USA we have larger spaces, per population so then it is less of a need. In more crowded nations, I think that sort of thing is valued more.

A possible example I can think of is grooming robots for the land. One example might be Pleistocene Park.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park
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Pleistocene Park (Russian: Плейстоценовый парк, romanized: Pleystotsenovyy park) is a nature reserve on the Kolyma River south of Chersky in the Sakha Republic, Russia, in northeastern Siberia, where an attempt is being made to re-create the northern subarctic steppe grassland ecosystem that flourished in the area during the last glacial period.[1][a]

The Mammoth Steppe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_steppe
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Ther is some desire to remove the trees and restore the Mammoth Steppe to help preserve the permafrost. The idea is that snow packing is thought to help with that, but I also think that albedo changes would also help.

Some theories have Megga Fauna dying out as the cause of the conversion of productive grasslands to less productive Taiga. It is possible that a evolved predator may have killed them out, perhaps that predator could have been humans, maybe bears I might give a guess. The death of that Megga Fauna is thought to have helped tip the Fauna from grassland to Taiga

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiga

Other theories involve the entrance of a different sort of grass to the Steppes as to how the Megafauna died out.

But Robot Labor could be used to tilt some of the land back to grasslands, perhaps a bit similar to Canadian Parklands in the prairie provinces.

It is my thinking that this may not only help preserve permafrost but may cause the land to reflect more sunlight into space.

In the map above, we also can see "Ice Sheet, and other permanent Ice". This is a domain that is marginal for life, and in some cases extremely marginal.

I have in mind a management technique for the icy places.

Solar shade/ Solar panels are one, and also something would call "Bore-Hill":

So, by drilling a borehole and then using the "Tailings" to make a surround walls, and then putting a solar panel roof over the "Borehole", you then limit the entrance of snow into the Borehole. The solar panels shade the ice and shade produce electricity.

In the cold weather Winter/Night/Cold Spells, the contoured shaded ice mass loses heat per radiation, convection of air, and conduction though the ice.

If this could in-part be built with low-cost robot labor, it might be used to stabilize ice masses against melting, and to cool the Earth itself

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Void · 2024-07-11 20:08:56

When considering humanoid robots, it is already said by people like Elon Musk that robots will be able to do most things eventually, and that there may need to be a guaranteed income.

Also, elsewhere I have talked about the "Wall-Bump" people. They are people who cannot factor in multiple trends to do a process control. Instead, they will continue on a path until the hit a wall and then they will be forced to try something new, a new direction.

So, there are notions of Social Security running out of money. Well within 10 years I expect a whole lot of robot labor to be in existence.

The point being that if you are going to need a guaranteed income then cutting SSI and raising the retirement age, is probably the wrong move. Instead, once the robot economy is functional (And if it is), then you should lower the retirement age.

That is my opinion.

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Void · 2024-07-25 21:45:22

This is rather a good thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srT6vXOUiiU
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STUNNING! Elon Musk CONFIRMS Tesla Bot Gen 3 Optimus Will Match to Neuralink!
TESLA CAR WORLD

So, you might open your other eyes in Antarctica, or the Moon, and yet live in a more habitable place on the Earth, perhaps.

Inside of Antarctica, a city built into a mountain, might provide materials to build solar power to sit on top of the ice cap, to both cool the ice, and to produce wealth while mostly staying away from the coastal areas. Similar for Greenland.

Of course there is a long way to go.

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Void · 2024-07-27 09:42:59

This morning, I am thinking about other factors for humanoid robots. It has already been mentioned by others. Schooling.

The NAZI school system may have competition now. When I was young, I suppose primarily in public schools, I think, we were told of the "One room schoolhouse". Granted it may have had its faults, but when it worked well, I believe that the older children could tutor the younger, and so then learn even better as teachers.

My experience of public school as I recall it is that perhaps 30 students would be put into various rooms for a period of time, and all would likely be expected to develop in such environments. Actually, a lot like mass production and what the NAZI liked. I did get a part of an education but of course it is not likely that very many students achieved 100% efficiency in learning, if that could be measured properly. I think that it is unlikely that that learning environment very much resembled historical learning processes.

Historical learning processes would most likely be learning from neighbors, friends, and family, in episodes and events. Not so highly structured and with far less uniformity of process.

Wealthy people could afford tutors.

Religion, the evil librarians, were another teaching event. For many such teaching events were periodic.
At least in Abrahamic religions.
(I only say evil librarians as partly a joke, and a fun one. But as in any aspect of life evil can show up in the guise of good).

I do not believe that all people have the same type of leaning capacity or learning rate in time.

Public school offered some sort of efficiency. It was what could work at the time, so I am not going to say it did no good.

But humanoid robots may offer tutoring for individual persons of all ages, a bit like the internet. And more voluntary, in more cases and more convenient to the individual. Where one student might do OK with a 1-hour class, another might require 4 ea.15-minute classes. to achieve good results.

As you might have guessed by my attitude projections, I did not thrive in the public school system. But as I got older, I improved from failing to average.

I suppose I may guess that I can be judged by the above sentence, but the question is what is more important? That I learned something, or that I was average or maybe even slightly below average at the end of public school.

I can tell you that I was always happy to go to a library and look up things to learn on my own. Also now with the internet, I do that still with the internet, but with much greater reach and efficiency.

After public school I had a couple more years of a technical training, instrumentation and Electronics primarily.

Then I have, I think about 2 years apprentice in a job and then 4 years of a different apprentice that I switched to. Electrician and Electronics. Then I went to work for a research center as a sort of higher end maintenance. Calibrations, certifications, and repairs of test equipment primarily. This involved a lot of training over time as the nature of the job kept changing over time.

The reason I have listed all of this is I discovered that a friend could help me learn. I would have formal classes parodically as an apprentice. The friend and I would go through the materials and notes that we had and try to pick out what seemed to be the important things that might be tested on. Then we would test each other in alternation in a verbal manner.

I found that with this method and also reading questions and answers out loud, I could test out with very high scores. I think that this is the kind of assistance a humanoid robot could give to someone who has a need to learn.

I think that I was rather immature as a child. Students do not grow up at the same rate. Imaging being 2 years immature for your entire public-school situation. Not only are you going to be intimidated by bullies and crowds, but teachers will get tired of you, and I cannot blame them. They have work to do and lives to live, I understand at this point.

You might expect that when teachers would ask snap questions, I did not do that well. Bored, always getting negative feedback from most events, it is not a thing to crave. And there is the question, "What value is being able to give a snap answer?" I know that this is how it had to be, as we were doing a mass production teaching system that NAZI's would think is wonderful.

But with humanoid robots that may well simply go away. And again, what is the point of testing? Well, it gives some notion of accomplishment. But it also primes egos and rates people.

A fast-maturing child may skate though the public school system nicely if they have a reasonably good brain. They only have to be a little better and mature than the others in their class.

But the public interest is for the individual child to learn "Enough" and perhaps to learn even more.

If you have almost unlimited robots to do tutoring, it really does not make sense to flunk students out and then stop training them.

Another factor is pressure groups and pressure individuals. Without being specific, I recall that in a class one student was harassing the teacher about why some students from a previous school performed better than the others from another school. Finally, the teacher brake down and said, "If I don't give you good grades your parents will have me fired!'.

So, in that case it may be that the teacher might have altered the training style, content, so that the children of powerful adults in that community could have children with high scores.

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Void · 2024-07-29 01:46:24

Here is yet another video with a large amount of blab about robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbudBHMqrTE
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IMPRESSIVE! Elon Musk ANALYZES the Tesla Optimus Gen 2 Robot The Best with Exclusive Technology!
TESLA BOT TODAY!
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I think a question that could be asked, is when is a robot an appliance, and when is it sentient? We will need to learn what morality is towards such animated physical world structures.

The idea that you could have a personal humanoid AI intelligence that would assist you is rather important.

So, these new appliances include artificial animals/humanoids, AI brains, and Cyborg interconnections suggested by Neuralink.

As I reflect back on my life, I think I can in some respects acknowledge that Schooling, is associated with Classification, and that is associated with testing.

I think that there has been a psychological projection from those who feel inadequate for a Superhuman requirement for human persons.

For instance, Hitler, as I have been taught, in the end felt that even the Germans who he had championed were unworthy. I think he had trouble discovering that the main problem was he himself, not being good enough to achieve what he felt needed to be achieved.

I think that similar exists and has existed in the arrogance of our academic community. (In some of it).

An interesting thing will perhaps be that even as an adult you could devote a certain amount of time a day to learn something. This would be a possession of yours, and would not be about the use of punishments and rewards as exist in collective school systems.

Again, humanoid robot teachers teaching more individually could change that situation, I think.

So, I think this is a very big important change that is likely to come to society, within 5-10 years.

So, where does that leave college?

I think that a concern socially is the mixing of the mating process of humans in colleges, that danger of male violence and the hidden contribution of females to violence and other destructive behaviors that damage our society.

It may be that we want to dispose of much of the collective education structures that we have used, in order to suppress mob mentality in Sub-Adults, of an age of perhaps 18-25???

The concern about male violence in this age category, and other troublemakers of male gender who may be of an older age getting into the tribalism, also needs a look at young female psychology of manipulation of power structures.

Having never been female as is traditionally defined, I can only think in terms of my own external observations and also some literature read, or that could be read.

Chimpanzees and Bonobo, typically avoid incestuous pregnancies, by the females getting restless with an onset of puberty. So, they wander off from their birth group and then try to get adopted to another group. I think that this is generally true for human females.
I think that it becomes very difficult to restrain post pubescent females and keep them in them completely within a birth family group.

People perhaps 18 to 25 years old may not have experienced major brain/mind completion: https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/1 … developed/
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At What Age Is The Brain Fully Developed?
It is widely debated as to which age the brain is considered “fully mature” or developed. In the past, many experts believed that the brain may have been done developing in the mid to late teens. Then along came some evidence to suggest that development may last until at least age 20. These days, a consensus of neuroscientists agree that brain development likely persists until at least the mid-20s – possibly until the 30s.

Never mind for a moment the trouble sub-adult males can cause, I think it is important to stop thinking of sub-adult females as innocent.

They probably have a compulsion, (I think), to get connected into a group where at least one male could be a mating partner. I think they also have a craving for emotional adventure. I believe that the primary objective is often to find a male that is powerful, but that also she could control. In the stone age, if she could get a male that would use violence to eliminate competition and to grab wealth and power.

So, a college campus is perhaps a great place to revive stone age reproductive and organization structure. This is not compatible with what I consider to be a useful society of humans.

It may seem that it can be an advantage to a female in some cases to encourage male to male, and tribe to tribe violence. Where she may be more likely to be one of the survivors, she then effectively "Inherits" wealth with this action and this action also eliminates "Weaker" males. But keep in mind that the survivor males are more adapted to stone age life, not modern life.

I think this pattern also exists in crowded slums, but even more as an unpleasant source of social error.

The college administrations and professors are susceptible to the temptation to gain power by manipulating the mentality of the sub-adults.

I think that we can consider Fascism, NAZIism, Socialism, and communism of the Soviet sort, be members of the same family of behaviors.

Individualistic representative republics when the exist, in their early stages con be overtaken by members of that evil family.

The creation of a large amount of robot teachers, may alter the collectivist character of colleges. I think colleges as we know them may cease to exist. It may be possible to rescue our society from the "Madness of Crowds" with this.

When dealing with riot/protests males in many cases may be silly pawns in the game. You need to look at what are the immature females doing. Both the French Revolution and the Soviet Revolution was started by females, but then captured by males as it appears on the surface. In preventing damage to our societies by such mobs, it is necessary to stop thinking of immature females as innocents.

Even if you think that these social eruptions are good for society, keep in mind that with humanoid robots it appears to me that Fascism, NAZIism, Socialism, and communism will be unnecessary as Capitalism will not be as limiting of wealth for common people.

However, we are going to have to fear humans in charge of robots. The problem is that you may get people who think that periodic killing or removal of "Weaklings" from the gene pool is a wonderful idea. They are the people who feel that they cannot be royalty if the inferiors are not put into their place and at times destroyed.

This whole idea of needing to use cruelty to create a "Super Race" of humans, (Which they actually are not), is not going to matter as any human with minimal capabilities could have appliances to assist them in life. And also, if there really are genes and memes that are "Bad", they can be reduced in presence.

It will not be necessary to impose some Darwinist selection process, if necessary, those genes or memes can be suppressed.

Of course, the "Elites" will want to decide what are the worthy genes and memes. And as usually this will likely be Alpha males who are owned by manipulative females.

Granted these structures as well could use homosexual bonding to do similar dastardly things as well.

Well, I probably rubbed some people the wrong way, but it is a form of revenge and treatment for the stupid "Chad" and "Tyrone" breeding program that we have been forced to live in in the brilliant plan to return the "West" into the stone age again.

The slogan for that could be "Make America Stone Age Again".

From VOID, the troublemaker

I am probably not DONE. I also am tired of the efforts of the mob to try to force us to "Drink a cup of their Vile Vomit".

Not Done Hating It Ever.

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Void · 2024-07-29 12:09:16

I may tend to be a slow learner. I learned late that Calibration is not adjustment and repairs, but measurement of accuracy.

So, I am having spent so much time calibrating machines, I feel I have a pretty good "Eye" for deep understanding, at least some of the time.

How may be measure "Gender Zena phobia"? Why is it propagated, and is there human manipulation involved in it?

I attempted to do some evaluations of a related subject some time ago until a John Boy interfered.

Anyway, it has to do with what will a person or group do with a naked person? This relates to violence. If a person cannot restrain themselves from victimizing the vulnerable, then I measure that as faulty. Granted, if you have such an encounter, then a first move is to offer cloths. But of course, if they are in the bathtub, then maybe you should withdraw, as they may be reasonable, and you may not be.

I found that periodically nudity disappeared and thought I saw an association with violence. This recorded in pictures. You can expect the goons to now censor any such records.

The question of computers and robots can enter into this. Not a certainty of appropriate, but I feel worth asking.

Some long time ago, I read that no one had made a male computer. I am still not sure that I understand that.

But I wonder if a humanoid robot could exhibit more maleness or not. Reasoning being that as it moves in the physical world maybe it would. Historically in settled life, females tend to the village more and to some degree the males may go a bit further out even to pillage another village or kill some animals. Now the Wokes will have to do some studies to be able to refute what I said.

But recently far out females have compared men to bears. And in response far out men have compared females to trees.

So, we have gender Zeni phobia, as group think, and also on the shores of wokedom, the inability to distinguish gender in a binary way.

The gender Zeni phobia is very group binary and yet on an individual basis people are not allowed to have binary gender. Looks like dirty tricks to me.

So, those are things that could be measured. In what way are people capable of acting properly towards the vulnerable? Our society does not seem to respect that very much anymore. Being bad to the weak is seen as being a winner, I think.

To be honest I do not like the use of the word "Sex" to be used for anything other than sex. I do not like it being used to also suggest gender. But that is a level of stupid that I do not have the tools or incentive to make adjustments on. I suspect that it exists as it is to be able to exploit people. But it may be necessary to just live with it.

The introduction of robots that are connected to individuals or small groups of a family or small group association, is going to be something new.

The capture and marketing of the sexuality of the common public is a property that the elites enjoy exploiting. It causes weird rule making and enforcement.

Recently I read that it is possible to fake a picture of a person, actually alter it in ways that might seem that they might be embarrassed about. Well, I have been tempted to investigate that, but I guess it does not surprise me.

I also some time back read that with the emergence of the internet, three groups were consulted to try to determine what can be proper and what need censorship.

1) Feminists
2) Priests
3) Pornographers.

That is not a good list at all, in my opinion.

1) Feminists have and actively propagate gender Zeni phobia.
2) Priests are basically improved pimps. They decide in part who can have sanctioned sex, and they even get power and some money for it.
3) Pornographers obviously do not have the healthy sexuality of humans as their primary objective. The process of hooking and addiction is to make people into victims who need a "Fix".

So, you don't need to be surprised that our culture is so messed up at this point.

I saw some forward thinking from Robert Heinlein, about a bit of this. One of his characters lived in a world where it was impossible to have privacy as camera's could be so well concealed. But the character was old, and simply maintained that if someone wanted to see an old man naked, then they were welcome to it. That story did not have deep fakes in it though, I guess it had not been thought of.

Now add humanoid robots that could be "Bonded" to an individual and small groups. I guess if it happens as is supposed than we may get the opportunity to measure the results.

I guess the results are an unknown just now, but it will be a big change.

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Void · 2024-09-06 16:07:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXdN-4iWB80
Quote:

Tesla Bot Gen 2 Optimus Robot Only $10K To Work At Giga Texas! NEW Design & Features Coming!
TESLA CAR WORLD

So, it seems wise to me for them to work with a 1, 2, and 3 version at the same time. 3 is going to be expensive, at least at first.

1 or 2 might do for many types of tasks and may be of a relatively low cost.

It is my observation that in the long run, labor saving devices have tended to allow for even "Poor" people to have a greater quality of materials than people 500 years ago may have had even if rich.

I may be helpful for making the raising of children better and easier.

But that has to be arranged, in my opinion to not favor the rise of power of a "Nanny State," and the dictatorship of the "Schoolmarms". Those entities see an advantage in creating damaged citizens. Slutty-Frigid-Nuns, and Weak-Peter-Pans.

The American Public School System was apparently designed to make students into "Meat Robots", by intention, to subordinate boys, and break their spirits, and apparently now to turn many women into worker drones, who do not breed, or who choose poorly about breeding.

The cultural era of about 85 years that I think started in the 1920's more or less seems to refuse to be updated, they are determined to react against adaptations.

If children end up with more robot assistance in growing up, I think it will be important to spank the "Nanny State", and the "Schoolmarms", as much as possible to stop them from creating mal-adaptive citizens. Their cravings are to turn common citizens into servant-slaves.

That is not to say that they should not be encouraged to be useful, and capable.

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I seem to like to risk things: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schoolmarm
Since we cannot define what a woman is, it is possible that a "Schoolmarm" could be anyone, perhaps a "Weak-Peter-Pan", or a "Slutty-Frigid-Nun".

But with care, the robot(s) should be a good thing overall.

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Void · 2024-09-08 18:23:33

Just finished this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFC-tDWzG0
Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Seba's RethinkX Says Tesla Bot is the SECRET to America's Future Success | Adam Dorr
Brigh

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Void · 2024-09-17 07:28:25

I find this of interest, after all this is actual robot productivity now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmxNtDMAj2A Quote:

Why This Robot Kills Weeds With Lasers
Cleo Abram
3.79M subscribers

I think that at some point robots that deal with invasive species might become practical.

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Void · 2024-10-11 20:21:54

Some recent stuff about Optimus: The Optimus shows up at about 6.00
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ajaxhist=0

But for some reason videos I have seen on my phone are not available on the internet of my computer.

I have seen comments that these were teleoperated, which is OK with me. The hardware and much of the software is demonstrated.

They seem also to be talking, which could be the man behind the curtain, but I am sure that this is going to come along nicely.

But we know that since Elon has gone political, he is now on the hate list. I suspect that every effort will be made from the shadows to discredit his work.

But likely that will only slow things down a bit.

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Yes, it almost looks deliberate. Anything October, 2024 does not show up in my search engine on my computer.

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OK, I guess I finally got some stuff:
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ajaxhist=0

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I would be entirely thinking the voice was a human but of course there is Alexa on the internet. Even if some of this is staged, the potential for what it suggests is real, I think.

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Void · 2024-10-17 12:32:57

So, another video about Optimus: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:

BREAKING: Tesla DROPS New Demo of Optimus Walking
YouTube
Brighter with Herbert
111K views
7 months ago

So, I don't have a problem with the idea that some teleoperation is included at this point.

As is pointed out that can be for safety and also training reasons.

The "Takers" waste no time in finding any appearance of weakness for Optimus or Starship.

But the "Makers" are morally better and are on the winning team this time around.

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Void · 2024-10-30 13:13:59

Atlas is an odd sort of humanoid robot, but interesting enough: https://bostondynamics.com/video/atlas-goes-hands-on/ Quote:

Atlas Goes Hands On

Looks fairly industrial in nature, to me.

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Void · 2024-11-25 12:32:11

I have been thinking about robots as bee farmers.

I am afraid I have polluted Callibans new topic, with my post #2: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 71#p228071

Hornets are among the creatures that predate on honey bees. I anticipate farmer robots which can encourage flowing plants to grow, and which can protect and farm bees. It might help to keep things like "Murder Hornets" in check.

These are an invasive species in North America I believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_giant_hornet

Even in Japan they appear to use fly paper to catch and kill them, when they attack honey bee farming.

It is a bit inhumane, but necessary. But a robot could have an air suction device to pull in hornets bothering a hive.
This could allow a more humanin kill method. And it would weaken a hornet community by killing its workers.

The robot would not care about being stung, and it will not likely exhale CO2, so then the hornets and wasps will not detect CO2.

So, honey production could be important if marginal farm lands are converted to savannah like pseudo wilderness that humans could live in.

So, robots could be used to rebalance an ecosystem. Hopefully they won't eventually think to do that to us.

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