Peter Zeihan again: and also other thinkers:

Void · 2024-01-17 11:47:35

I am only able to comment to say that I believe that most countries with Mongol heritage has more binding force than do Roman descended cultures. At least a different type of binding force.

I think that the actions of the "West" to emphasize Roman historical heritage, is simply encouraging the binding force of the Mongol descended. You can see that if you add Russia, China and Iran, into some type of agenda, then Central Asia, is automatically included.

The contempt of Northern peoples exhibited by NATO and even the USA, probably Canada, only alienates them.

But the Nordics do have some method to stay out of the power of Russia using NATO.

But overall, I see the Northern peoples rising in power, and the southern peoples lapsing into degeneracy. But these are very long trends, possibly as long as 512 years in a trend.

I have never liked the definition of the "West" being historical Rome and Greece. In reality the rebirth of representative government occurred when Atlantic Costal Europeans bumped into the peoples of the Americas and also Asia. Who in general are northern peoples.

Peter Zeihan has no choice, I feel but to do some kissing up to the Washington establishment which I feel is out of balance in valuing Latin and African Heritages above those of the Northern peoples. This is not a call to any action; I believe that these matters correct themselves over time naturally. The degeneracy of the established rulers is obvious and that will have its payday no matter what anyone does, other then to somehow repent.

But Peter Zeihan has interesting ideas and information. Here is an interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HIUI0nnP78

I am interested that he says that major oil companies are trying to double productivity of wells. I may be wrong, but I have gotten the notion that the USA has 100 years or so of Shale Oil. Also of interest is the Inflation Reduction thing which apparently does promote more solar and wind in expanded areas.

If you are wondering about my negative comments earlier in this post, we do not want democracy. That leads to a patronage system and eventually the attempt to have an emperor, and then the unbinding of our union. The binding force comes from the North.

What we do want it a representative republic, which is what our nation was founded as. Strangely enough coming from a Northern person, I am very interested in states' rights in our collections of representative republics which is also in itself a federal representative republic.

I think I avoided getting in trouble. I hope so.

God bless America!

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RobertDyck · 2024-01-17 13:55:59

Void: I disagree. Russia is not of Mongolian heritage. Russian people are of European descent. They are eastern European. Like all countries, they have a mix of ethnic influences. In the early years of Russia they had groups of people from Asia. Yes, that included people from Mongolia. It also included people from China. People in Siberia have lived there since long before Russia. But Mongolian heritage? No.

Rome conquered Gaul, but never farther east. They did conquer area of modern day Germany and Romania, but nothing farther east. So although Russia doesn't have Roman heritage, it is European.

The issue is not any form of condescension. The issue is Russia invaded Ukraine. Putin has said publicly that he considers the breakup of the Soviet Union the greatest tragedy of the 20th century. Russian generals have stated their intent to take all of the Black Sea coast. Putin said he considers Odessa to be a Russian city. Several officials in Russia have openly spoken of taking the Baltic States next, or Poland. Peter Zeihan's claim that officials in the Russian government want the Alps Carpathian & Sudeten mountain ranges, Black Sea, and Baltic Sea to be their border to create a more easily defendable border makes sense. This still means they intend to take European countries by military force. After WW1 & 2, Europe has said they cannot allow any territory in Europe to be taken by military force. This has to stop. And because 5 of the 6 countries Russia intends to take after Ukraine are full NATO members, this means total war. The only way to prevent nuclear war is to stop Russia here, to ensure he cannot take Ukraine.

Many people in the US have talked as if letting Russia keep what it currently occupies will stop the war. But Putin and Russian generals have explicitly stated it won't. Furthermore past actions of Russia have demonstrated what they will do. Russia signed a ceasefire with Chechnya in 1997. In year 2000 they invaded again, and completely annexed Chechnya. This time they won't wait 3 years, it would only be months. 90% of Russian soldiers of the initial invasion of February 2022 are now either dead or permanently injured so they cannot fight. They have been replaced with new recruits. Those recruits have received at most 1 month training. That's why they're so ineffective. If there's a ceasefire, Russia will train those recruits and manufacture more ammunition. Then they come back stronger. We can't let that happen. Russia must see they gain nothing from this invasion. That's the only way of preventing further war.

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Calliban · 2024-01-17 15:12:02

Robert is correct. Appeasement would be as ineffectual now as it was in 1938. The parralels between Germany then and Russia now are significant. Both 2020 Russia and 1930 Weimar Germany, had poorly defencable borders, flat lands and a post-imperial itch to get back the lands they lost. The Russians will only back down if they are forced to acknowledge that victory is impossible for them. No one wants to see Russian young men die by the million. But this cannot stop until the Russians withdraw altogether.

Void · 2024-01-17 20:06:13

You have a right to disagree, I don't claim to know, I have notions that I support as probable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire
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European or not so much, if you get Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea aligned with each other it is rather like the Mongol Empire, but that did not go to the Arctic of course.

I have not given a prescription for Ukraine. It is simply sad. I don't want Russia to win too much but I don't think Russia is going to loose. this one.

But the Nordics are likely to pull free, which is a win.

Good luck with your patriotic aims. I just feel that this did not have to happen.

It was only because a certain set of people could not understand that the bone that the other dog had was just a reflection in the water.
It is the mirror problem. Not being willing to have a piece of the pie but insisting on having the whole pie only for themselves.

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Void · 2024-01-19 11:44:15

I will perhaps comment to this later as per humanoid robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCv8zq9wurw
Quote:

Europe's Border Tension | Peter Zeihan
Economy And Geopolitics

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OK, this then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHGqvR4W3MU
Quote:

Tesla's Optimus $25 TRILLION Opportunity
Dr. Know-it-all Knows it all
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Elon Musk has agreed that as soon as the 2040s we could be looking at 1 billion robots doing productive work--and this changes everything!

I think that the deflation that this would produce would help lower income people and would stimulate spending.

As for taxation, I suppose a robot tax to some extent.

But I think there should be a measurement called Hourpay. This would be taxed, on the basis of the amount of Hourpay an individual takes up. The purpose of this would be to keep the overachievers from soaking up too much of the labor time and pay available. This would leave more for other people, and the hope would be that with an income people would spend.

Then with the cost of consumer goods being lower, the people may indeed choose to have children.

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But there may be a need for a welfare for those who won't or cannot work and earn money. We have that now. Elon Musk has suggested a guaranteed income anyway. That could be associate with parenting children as a form of benefit credit.

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Void · 2024-02-19 16:58:40

I ran into this today It is not Peter Zeihan, but I don't want to clog up other topics that other people are working in at this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmf_SLrTIs
Quote:

Uncovering The Rise of Woke Islamism with James Lindsay | The Winston Marshall Show #005
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I am not for or against what is said, but want to know what direction thinking is going.

I am very against fascism and our left which I believe is simply fascism wearing a costume. I do not favor woke at all.

Something that may be coincidence is that the speaker mentions VOLK as in Volkswagon (The Hitler Car), and I guess that is German for folk.

I should always warry of people who spout anticolonial agenda. I see the colonial era, and the times before it as similar to a geological process. Whenever a people advance beyond the average capabilities of the world population, they tend to spread around. The Arabs, did at one time, the Mongols did at one time.

The moral of that story is don't be lazy and incompetent or Darwin's rules may apply to you.

The world actually had a geometry before, and now because of the laws of nature it has a newer geometry.

Frankly for some recent powers the destruction of the European Empires was convenient. It was true for the Soviet Union (Which was the Russian Empire in disguise), and also for the American Republic/?

At one point during the Civil War, the USA had an arrangement with the Russians, as the French and British Empires were a very large danger to both.

I will say that I think that we need be careful when we try to modify old cultures. The path from Autocracy to Representative Government, becoming perhaps said Democracy, can lead to Fascism, of the WWII Italian, German, USSR kinds. (And others).

The people of the Middle East may be the very worst, as their cultures are from way back.

That is my fear, not a certainty.

But if you look at the America's and the broken pieces of the USSR, all of them flirt with representative government. They are gradually coming around actually. Alienating the Russians was probably a very stupid move. Extremely stupid.

And by the way, I think that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by Fascist powers.

I like Peter Zeihan, but I don't think he will be entirely correct about China and Russia. I think some reformations of those societies are possible and they may not be laid to waste permanently.

My geometry of reality says Slovs/Latins, and Chin/Africa. Only as a periodic reversal of the flow of reality.

But maybe I need to learn new things. We shall see.

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I suspect a 1024 year cycle with a 512 year sub cycle, but I won't be here to find out and I bet you won't be either. Hold the reprimands for 1024 years please.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-02-20 04:23:26

He's too tiresome and annoying and angst teen-like to listen to now calling Elon Musk all kinds of names. He is becoming more emotional and less relevant, maybe he got a scoop one time, he hung out with all kinds of people likes the cultures and homosexual gay bars and claims to have insight, he did collect info perhaps a M i 6 ish Mossad FBI Ex-KGB CIA clown gave him some data, gave him a bunch of graphs at a bar. Some points are still ok-ish, but its hard to see the future so over time the errors get bigger and bigger. George Friedman, Zeihan's former boss, predicted a US-Japan conflict with Japanese joining the Turks, he thought Chinese would de-evolve and China fight among itself and go back to primitive conflict like parts of Africa and failed to predict the fall of the Soviet Union.

Zeihan instead of addressing what he is getting wrong and revising his forecast is instead getting super teenager emotional and now throwing temper tantrums, says he is quittting twitter or x and never coming back. Calls Elon Musk a Nazi, a Racist, a Sexist, a Homophobia, a Communist, a Russian Stooge, a White Supremacist, a Hitler lover and just about every libel slur you can imagine.

https://archive.fo/Joazv

While it is not uncommon for experts to make incorrect predictions, Zeihan’s response to criticism has drawn significant attention. By dismissing his critics as bots and Russian propagandists, Zeihan has only fueled the fire, further dividing opinion on his credibility.

and a few weeks later, he lies returns to twitter and is asking people to buy his books again.

Void · 2024-02-20 08:07:25

I am OK with him as a person. We all have to have a personhood. Quirks can be OK.

I feel that his techniques go pretty far, but his projections often do not include enough uncertainty. I get it, he is selling entertainment as well as analysis.

I read one time "A wise man recalls the past; he does not tell the future".

I think that one problem most people have is identifying the center of reality.

Some might think that the center of our planet is in its core. China has at times considered itself to be the center. Some people have considered the Middle East the Center. The Middle Easterners used that as a method to claim wealth by taxing spices, that caused the Europeans to connect with their ethnic compliment, and so they boiled out of Europe.

The British have been obsessed with the notion that Russia with Central Asia could create a Moriarty entity that would oppose their Shurlock Holms entity. Sadly, I think our policy towards that region has too much been shadowed by that notion.

Most people cannot seem to imagine the shell of spheres surface, so they alter it to be a flat map with a center of their choosing.

But if you have Spacial relations intelligence, you know that the surface of a sphere has no center or is all centers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_relation

Any point on the surface of a sphere is surrounded by the rest of the surface of a sphere. As people live on the surface of a sphere, we are all at the center of it in some way. We all have an ethnographic polar opposite. I think mine is somewhere in India.

So, if I take the idea that water transport is the most efficient on the surface of the sphere, then Central Asia is not a magic place to build an empire. In fact, they have to use roads and railroads that are expensive.

So, Peter Zeihan has it rather right on the Interior water transport of North America being important. So, I don't want to put him down, I just don't think he has factored all things into his estimates.

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Void · 2024-04-11 09:53:48

This is fun. Not Peter Zeihan, but demographics: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbu … e74a&ei=22
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Gen Z Is Toxic for Companies, Employers Believe
Story by Suzanne Blake • 2w • 4 min read

I follow "The Fourth Turning" to some extent.

Z, I think is to be the "Artist" Generation.

OK, confirmation: https://www.freedomlab.com/posts/gen-z- … onal-cycle

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According to Strauss and Howe, Gen Z is the “Artist” generation. The Artist is one of four archetypical generations – all corresponding to being born during one of the four turnings.

I hope I can live long enough to watch what they will do. If like the previous Artist generation, they will quietly struggle to get rid of the rigid social controls of the Millennials and X's.

They will set the stage for the next Prophets which I don't believe I will live to see grow up. However, I think that I am a bit mystified about what controls they will deal with. Perhaps the repeal of monetization of human sexuality will be on their agenda. But maybe I will be surprised. That's OK, it may be entertaining. What they do, though, they will likely do in the shadows.

We Prophets may be amused. X, and Millennials, are likely to react with more efforts to control, and Z may rebel quietly in the shadows even more. Setting the stage for the Prophets to come, to replace the Baby Boomers.

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Void · 2024-04-19 18:25:52

This is not Peter Zeihan, but really an source of information I have never heard of before:

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE

Void · 2024-04-19 18:27:57

This is not Peter Zeihan, but really an source of information I have never heard of before:

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE

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Dwarkesh Patel, Sarah C. M. Paine - WW2, Taiwan, Ukraine, & Maritime vs Contenental power

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Void · 2024-05-17 15:43:28

Maybe I should change the title on this topic:

I don't have any desire to put down a particular individual. Not even anyone mentioned in this.

But the process described is very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQlHzmzx3ws
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Nuf said!

Void · 2024-05-21 21:21:57

I rather agree with much of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEkrkhMNUU
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CIA Agent Makes Joe Rogan Go Quiet With Never-Before-Told Details Of Chinese Ideological Warfare
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I think to begin with China has a flat Earth concept. They want what they had, or what they believe that they had.

I think that the word Colonialism should be replaced. What really happened was like mitosis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitosis

We live in a global surface now, not a flat Earth as it once was ethnographically. In my opinion, Europe and India, for all their faults, were younger than was the Middle East. I think that the Middle East represents corruption of the human race, pretending to be a holy land. India would never have tolerated what the Europeans did unless it was in their interest at that time. They were being assaulted by the Middle East, just as Europe has been. When they were done with the Europeans, they sent them packing.

Now we do not only have Europe and India, but North America, and South America, and indeed more than that. I don't believe that that can ever be turned back. Nature abhors a vacuum, it is said, and so the things that occurred in the last 500 years occurred to fill that vacuum.

The reason we are experiencing the woke people cuddling up to the Islamists, is the word Axis. They have a mutual enemy, and so tend to attack us, the healthier tissue in the human society.

I will indicate how tricky it is to understand what is going on and what had gone on. It has been said by some that the NAZi was due to North Europeans, particularly Protestants, in some cases. And the Germans and Italians and Japan did not so much love each other, but worked against a mutual enemy.

But I want you to look at the heads of the NAZI, do they all look like northern Europeans? And why didn't Scandanavia join them? They were tempted, as were the aristocrats of the British Empire.

But the NAZI were going to set up a new Roman Empire as I understand it.

I have recently seen an article that indicates that the Germans are an almost equal mix of the Farmers from the Middle East, who brought the white skin, and the people of the Steppes, the Yamana? peoples, with some European hunter gatherer included as well.

I see the whole NAZI thing as a trick on the northern people. The whole idea of telling them that they were a superior race and then giving them a dire enemy to hate for their suffering, a ploy to get them to go to the battlefields to be slaughtered.

The Fascists were Italy, and Germany, and some other countries even almost France. One should think to look under the hood at what the real process is.

And keep in mind that the Soviets were willing to make a deal with the Germans at one point, but of course they got stabbed in the back on that.

So, called decolonializing has had its merits. It was ridiculous to have people on the other side of the planet be the Stewarts of all resources and human activities. But it was the flame of the expansion that ignited the world into existence that we see now.

The Soviets were clever, they were able to help destroy the other empires of Europe, while they kept theirs, but then finally theirs fell apart at least for a time.

I think that the "WOKE" was just an evil trick.

What is needed is for our peoples to truly awaken to what is being done to them by international forces who do not like them. The woke are simply Quislings/Collaborators who take candy from demons and harm their fellow citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

In any case I was doing some research some time ago and found time patterns, I was interrupted by something, but I found what I think feeds into the probable rise of the west from this, but it is not necessarily the fallen west but the other one. Just a little puzzle for you.

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Void · 2024-05-23 09:40:56

This is full of interesting opinions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxXFKnsoCR8

I am actually very in favor of alternative energy schemes, and the encouragement of them.

But many important points are made in the video.

In particular, the idea that increasing levels of CO2 will by each increment have the same effect on the atmosphere as the earlier increments.

I worked in measurements to some great extent, and on equipment to measure things. I find it disgusting that we cannot get a plot of cause and effect on the amount of CO2. It most definitely will not be linear as it is implied by the simple people.

I think that the political and media footprint in the discussion, shows a sort of unholy religious method. Unholy as for the most part it does not connect to the concept of God and how a God should want things to be. But it is religious behaviors.

As I see it, it is a ruling class struggle to bring back Feudalism and to stifle industrialism.

We have the classic process of the people farmers, heading north to try to subjugate the industrial people.

This goes deeper than you may think. The Middle East Farmers, who moved into Europe brought this sort of behaviors, and subjugated the Hunter Gatherers, and continually try to subjugate the descendants of the people of the Steppes, who also moved into Europe.

This pattern reappears in North America, with s somewhat different compass. But the objective of these people is always to take things without paying for them.

In the UK, the contrast between South Brittan and North Brittan, is in a similar pattern. These people always want to have farms and be gentlemen farmers, and to have servants. They abhorred industry, and technology, and instead want to consider education to be a thing about languages.

In the USA, we had the old plantation culture that hosted them. Now other people of similar natures from places that also did host them, those people join into it.

And do not think that this is a so called "Whites" thing. A hidden truth apparently is that there were kingdoms in Africa which make lots of money by selling their fellow Africans into slavery.

But I always want to look to balance, A balance between the south and north, as each has good and bad things to offer.

The point is, if we can see what is going on we may be able to inhibit bad behaviors from both directions, and to promote good behaviors.

But you have to be careful, they are endless in their greed.

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kbd512 · 2024-05-23 10:29:06

Void,

The effect of increasing atmospheric CO2 content is logarithmic in nature. The first 150ppm to 200ppm of CO2 produces the majority of the total greenhouse effect, thereby increasing average temperature.

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If the effect of CO2 was linear, then runaway global warming would have already happened when Earth's atmospheric CO2 content was 5,000ppm. The 5,000ppm atmospheric CO2 level coincides with the period of time when scientists assert that the Earth had its greatest level of biodiversity, throughout the entire history of life on Earth.

Nobody is going to die, except by choice. We humans made absolutely sure that our food source (plants) have the CO2 food source they need to continue living and breathing. The only catastrophes on the go-forward are human choices not to help their fellow humans. We have the tech to go anywhere and do anything on this planet. Whether or not we choose to use it to help each other, or not, is a choice. It has nothing to do with the weather or climate. It's all down to what we value.

Calliban · 2024-05-23 16:04:06

Socialists want to change the world. Problems like atmospheric CO2 accumulation are useful to them, because they can use it to justify ideologically attractive solutions that they want to force upon the world. Without a crisis, no one would be interested in their solutions. The solution they wanted to push was a world run on sunlight. That was emotionally appealing to them. So they took a rather speculative problem, i.e. global warming caused by man made greenhouse gases, and gradually engineered the perception that it is a world-ending crisis, that demands a revolution in how we live and produce energy, as rapidly as possible. So long as they control the solution, it is in their interests to create as much hysteria as possible about the problem they are trying to solve. Like all socialist revolutions, anyone that points out the weaknesses in their logic or questions the narrative, is demonized as an enemy of the people who must be ridiculed, humiliated, sacked from their job, denied research funding and even imprisoned.

This doesn't necessarily mean the human induced atmospheric warming isn't a real effect. But discussion about it is continuously warped to ever more pessimistic scenarios and hysterical rhetoric. Anyone that tries to pursue a more balanced discussion is dismissed as a denier. The point is that most of the things being done in the name of global warming will do little to mitigate it. But that was never the idea. The idea was to use it as a stalking horse to push pet ideas, solutions and to justify a political cause.

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Void · 2024-05-23 16:34:16

Thanks for the fine information.

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kbd512 · 2024-05-23 17:03:51

Here's what I don't understand...

The "natural world", at least here on Earth, the only place life exists that we know of, recycles CO2. It does so because hydrocarbon fuel is incredibly energy dense, thus the mechanisms to do that are incredibly well-developed. Even amongst humanity, the technology to recycle gases and liquids is leaps and bounds beyond our understanding of endlessly recyclable electrical, electronic, or electro-chemical devices.

It's one thing to strive for a newer / better technology. It's quite another to be fully ready to use that technology as the basis for all or most energy generation and storage systems used by humanity. Within this realm, the raw numbers and comprehension of what's most practical vs what's at the far edge of feasibility, or possibly beyond feasibility, really does matter.

We know how to recycle CO2 into lots of things people pay good money for. We know how to make and use hydrocarbon fuels, because we've done it for centuries. It's like steel and concrete. We have other building materials available in modern times, but pretty much nothing else has a prayer of matching the general utility of steel and concrete for the majority of construction and transportation. Since it's pretty evident that nothing else matches the versatility and general availability of hydrocarbon fuels vs exotic metals, perhaps it's time to invest the energy and common metal (steel) to do the recycling required to restrain the growth of emissions by recycling most or even all of the CO2 back into fuel. We don't need new technology to do that. No new miracle technology has to come along for that system to be sustainable forever. The Sun provides more than enough energy to endlessly recycle CO2 until it finally turns into a Red Giant or goes Supernova. So far as we know, that time is many many generations into our future.

Recycling combustion products requires H2O and CO2- two abundant chemical materials that will probably never be in short supply until that fateful day when our star finally dies. Once that's done, combustion begins the process anew. To continue driving technology and knowledge forward, we must have the energy reserves and engines to do that. Having a stable and reliable energy is a better than average way to ensure our continued perseverance as a species. It's not regressing or devolving to use something that works well, however crude and simple it appears to dismissive eyes. As we acquire the material wealth to grapple with more abstract issues such as climate change and ecology, it's a good idea to pay more attention to how we treat those issues, but not to the exclusion of more fundamental issues like feeding everyone, putting a roof over everyone's head, and educating them. Any ideology that fundamentally rejects the value of humanity is not long for this world.

In time we will learn how to solve the numerous problems with electro-chemical batteries and solid state electronics, such as the current incarnations of Lithium-ion batteries or photovoltaics and wind turbines. Until then, humanity still requires pervasive affordable on-demand energy so that our children and their children continue to enjoy the quality of life we enjoy today. That said, this sort of tech is something you pursue AFTER you've taken care of the fundamentals first. Right now, we're not doing that. We're running a Chinese fire drill with no idea of what the end result will be, no plan if that fails to produce the result we're after, and no acknowledgement that there are other far more practical solutions that achieve the same aims, assuming that the aims of this new age techno-religion are not simply anti-humanist in nature.

Stating that "we need to go beyond hydrocarbon fuels", is sort of like stating that, "we need to go beyond organic chemistry". Well, maybe we should develop other technologies as well, but organic chemistry is still the chemistry of life, and all life on this planet still consumes hydrocarbon fuels. It's very peculiar that we think we're the only form of life that's going to learn how to "do without" that which enables all other life. I reject the present group-think which acts as if organic chemistry is useless. It's the form of chemistry that does that absolute most for humanity and all other forms of life. Rather than "being more in harmony with nature", we have fetishized exotic and toxic metals that are not easy to obtain, not easy to recycle, and the machines made from them are functionally impossible to repair, because that was never a design criteria. It seems to me that we could do a whole lot more on the sustainability front by using gases and liquids than metals, when it comes to using them as stores of energy.

This is not intended to suggest that we should not continue to do all that we can do with metal-based technologies, rather that practical solutions may require a lot longer than we initially thought they would. It took the better part of 100 years for hydrocarbon fuels to replace most of the energy that came from natural flows or stores. We still use those sources, though, to this very day. At no point in time during prior human history did more technological progress occur, nor did the average quality of life improve so much, as when we figured out how to make and use liquid hydrocarbon fuels. Somehow, that black sticky goo we pulled from the ground did more for us than any other singular innovation, because it provided us with a dense, storable, transportable, and endlessly versatile energy source. At the human civilization scale, that mattered quite a lot. It ended slavery in the western world, it gave rise to all the computer technology we enjoy today, and it still powers the economies of entire nations at a global level. When combined with coal power, oil is the entire reason we live in a metal-rich / concrete-rich / technology-rich society today. Modern medicine is utterly impossible without hydrocarbon chemistry. Hydrocarbon fuel access is the only reason humanity has left Earth. We'd never get off the planet without it. Rather than demonizing it, we owe it an incalculable debt of gratitude.

To continue on our present path of discovery and innovation, recycling the chemical components of our life-sustaining fuel sources eventually becomes mandatory. We probably should've started that process decades ago, but there's no time like the present to make up for lost time. This is perfectly feasible to actually do since we get so much power from the Sun and the materials we need to recycle are literally everywhere on Earth at all times. We should incentivize CO2 recycling to maintain our energy stores. Every nation should have its own private lake of oil to draw from, whenever natural energy is unavailable. So long as we continuously recycle the byproducts, there is no actual problem- we're simply doing what nature naturally does, whether humanity is present or not. All ideology about technology aside, I don't see what could be so wrong with that.

If I thought I was literally "betting the farm" on the correctness of my decisions, I would have a backup plan, or maybe two backup plans.

The first idea we had was to start using metals technologies was related to using Uranium to replace oil and coal. That clearly didn't happen. The second idea was using electronics to replace oil and coal. That's not going so well, either. There are already specialty metals shortages this year and no ability to produce more. Perhaps the third idea should be to use abundant metals to extract abundant CO2 from sea water, so we can finally start recycling the byproducts of combustion. We keep thinking that the next new thing we invent will solve all the existing problems that the last new thing we invented. Where's the evidence for that? As near as I can tell, there isn't any. We're just creating a new set of problems to solve, many of which are far more complex than the last set of problems. Solving the problems with combustion is rather simple by way of comparison.

Void · 2024-05-23 18:40:35

I think that you are right, we should be researching how to make Hydrocarbons from power. If Fission, Fusion, Geothermal, and Solar all became productive enough to be economic, there would still be a case for simply manufacturing Hydrocarbons to burn in ICE engines.

Carbon is not a poison, not a sin.

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Void · 2024-06-03 12:00:54

This is pretty much from me: "Indigenous".

I may choose to give some value to this definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples

But I want to point out that we are all indigenous to this planet, as far as I have information about.

And where I am going to is the use of the world, to delegitimize some of us from time to time.

I can find a degree of sympathy for people who have been displaced by historical events. Even all of us have some history of that in our ancestorial lines, I am sure.

But our elites have a tendency to use it to undermine the power of the community. Another toy they have is Carbon. They know that what they do may be against the interests of the community, but they also believe that they can wall themselves off with a wall of money and power, and so not share the consequences.

So, the struggle is between old power towards the south, and the probable emergence of the masculine. And I do not particularly hold southern whites as the enemies in this case they seem surprisingly reasonable at this point as far as I can see.

Other tricks they are using are division of gender and now they are trying to use generational hate as well.

This is sort of the Executive Function gone bad. They want power and money without earning it. So, the more they divide us, the more they can knock us down. The current attempts to deindustrialize our societies shows their intent. They want power at all costs even if it pushes society into poverty.

So, the first thing that they need to do is to convince you that you are a sinner or a victim that they will help. If they can convince you that you are a sinner, then they may make you bend the knee to their power, or they may be given authority to punish you. IF they can get you to be the victim, then they will promise retribution but mostly that is just a ploy go give themselves more authority.

You can play with the Knowledge of Good and Evil, as they do. Or you can choose life instead. It is almost impossible to do that, but it does not hurt to try.

If they tell you things are black and white, have a second look, are we really black and white. And if we argue over which is good and which is evil, then we may not have chosen life.

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kbd512 · 2024-06-03 13:13:42

Russian military forces appear to be getting chewed up in the same way that they were by the Germans at the start of Operation Barbarossa during WWII. That's probably the only good news I've heard all week. I would not want to be on the receiving end of what the Ukrainians are presently dishing out. Why President Biden will not allow the French to go fight in Ukraine, or indeed why our own forces are not fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with the Ukrainians, remains utterly baffling to me. You either fight to win, and force a peace deal negotiation, or refrain from war. We already called their bluff on the use of nukes. President Putin can press the button anytime he chooses, and there's nothing we can do about that. If he does so, then his people cease to exist 15 minutes later, same as ours here in America. We would not be invading Moscow or any such similar nonsense, merely ejecting them from Ukraine where they clearly don't belong, so there's no reason why such a wildly reckless and self-destructive course of action would be warranted.

Void · 2024-06-03 13:50:05

Survival of America and associates is the priority. On Utube I can read that the Russian are winning or that the Ukraine is winning.

My objective is to keep the blood bath from happening.

There is a west and there is a west and then there is another west. Of course the USA has a west, or we call it that.

And again, you might call the club med the west. They cer4tainly want to claim it, but Rember Fascism?

Or you might call the Atlantic Coast the west. There seems to be evidence that these were the greater movers to the use of representative government.

It seems to me that the deeper you go into Europe towards the Middle East and the Caucuses areas the less representative governments have caught on.

It is not too dissimilar to Latin America. But Latin America is showing some development of it.

There is some reason to think that there was one origination of modern so-called civilization. That was on the Steppes of north Asia. For whatever reason, that leaked into Europe and also Iran/India. The Indian branch reached out to Indonesia at one time.

In those days it was sensible to call the Club Med the "West", and India, etc, the "East".

In the so called west the northerners and other Slavs have become a mirror of the Club Med.
In the East you may expect that a Latin reality is developing.

Here, though I am primarily interested in what we call Europe. There has been a persistent craving of Club Med. to take over the North and the Slavs. They have attacked over and over. There actually are really like the dog that sees its reflection in the water, and wants to take the other dog's bone, and so opens its mouth to get it but drops its own bone into the water, losing it.

You would be mistaken if you thought that I am on a side opposite of you in a binary contest. Here in North America we have to some extent bonded the two forces together with mixed success. The current administration is trying to do a Roman Empire in the USA and Canada. But that is not how the machinery works. The stresses are building.

We are supposed to lead by example. Being pulled into an improper attempt by Club Med to conquer the north and the Slavs, is unwise. An expense of energy that could be put to the betterment of reality instead.

Why don't we conquer all of the Americas, and make them fly right? Because it won't work. And parts of Europe have a long way to go, especially Russia, and towards the Middle East. We were working on it but Club Med. has to try to get imperial, and our Club Med. had to get on board with them.

We can only encourage by example, and we are not showing that good of an example just now.

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kbd512 · 2024-06-03 15:23:06

Void,

I never said the Ukrainians "won" anything at all. Fighting to win means no half measures, such as "you can bomb this but not that" type of malarkey that pointlessly drags out the affair. In the end, the only thing war ever determines is who is left. You'd be mistaken if you thought I believe "our side" is somehow morally or otherwise superior. You learn pretty fast in the military that you're not very special and nobody has a monopoly on bad behavior. What I know for sure is that if Russia continues doing what it's been doing, we're going to end up fighting them, like it or not. They've signaled their intentions, I don't know how they could possibly make it any clearer to all involved, so now it's time to fight the lousy bastards and be done with it.

Prevent a bloodbath?

That ship has already sailed. We would not have elected total morons to represent us, if that was important. Emotion and ideology won out over reason and introspection.

I completely agree that we should always lead by example, but that requires leadership. Right now we don't have any. If something is worth fighting over, then it must be articulated to the American people as to why it's worth our blood and treasure. If not, then we shouldn't become involved unless someone forces us to fight them by attacking us.

As far as other nations are concerned, I think they should be allowed to do what they believe is in their own self-interest, but there's obviously a limit to tolerable behaviors. If we're going to be allies with them, then that requires more than paying lip service to the idea, because your enemies get a vote in what you will do. There are a lot of people, here and elsewhere, who seem to believe that it's always somebody else's problem, the moment they have to put their money and their soldiers where their mouths are at. That's not how combat works.

Short of doing something truly horrific like nuking Moscow, at which point we become no different and arguably worse than the people we're fighting, merely more ruthless than them, I think we should not have any other silly self-imposed limitations on what Ukraine can do to defend itself. The Russians clearly impose no similar limitations on themselves or what they're willing to do. That means any rail yard, petroleum refinery, ammo dump, air base, troop or armor concentration near Ukraine's border is fair game. If the Russians care about their people at all, then they won't use their own civilians as human shields. If not, then that's just too bad for them. The Russians can end this any time they so choose. Nobody is coming after them, because they're not interested in continuing this insanity. This is a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense, rather than revenge.

Void · 2024-06-03 20:06:03

If everything you fear comes to pass, then we can kill the world tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or in a year or so. If Peter Zeihan is correct, then the Russians are going to run out of Russians regardless of what we do. I don't actually believe that it works that way. It has become apparent to me that he does not respect Americans and the way we do things. He thinks the Germans and some others are more competent. I have associated with Germans in the USA, and they seem just fine by me, and their presence may have been part of our success. But Germany is in the situation it is in, and we have the core of a continent. Perhaps we are just lucky, but hmmmm.............

Anyway, let me tell you what I think was in the Soviets heads, and what I think is in the Russians heads. The Soviets, being communists, believed that communism was inevitable. They believed that the Soviet Union was an accident, born long before it's time. And so their policies were to try to preserve the Soviet Union as long as possible and to hope to promote Communism across the world.

They are new that they were dealing with an opponent that might very well blow up the world, so they let the Soviet Union fall, as they had faith that Communism would win in the end. That's pretty weird, avowed atheists have faith.

And so the world survived for a time yet.

I do not like to speak ill of the dead, but I witnessed some (Not So) little princess in a high office of the USA saying that Russia had far too much land. I wonder what the Russians would think of that? Think they might get paranoid? This was some stupid pampered brat from our elites, getting us in trouble for no reason.

Lets talk Oil. The USA, develops now sources of OIL and natural gas. Think they may count their good fortunes. No, the would rather go around the planet destroying oil production elsewhere. After all we want the market. And no we don't really want Americans to continue having cheap natural gas, we would rather sell it to Europe and raise the prices.

Now I am being a bit of a brat. I don't expect perfection, we have gotten things pretty good actually.

America did not have a rich ruling class prior to the Civil War. The war effort of the north produced "Daddy Warbucks".
And the killing machines that Daddy and "Debbie Warbucks" foster, apparently keep my wimpy little butt safe. Or so I might suppose. I should not be ungrateful for that, but I just not sure I like all the blood money. Taxes>Treasury>Kill Machines>$$$>Daddy and Debbie.

The Civil War was largely an effort by France and G.B. to bust the USA up. The Feds knew that if they did not stop it, Europeans would reconquest the USA. France was eying Mexico and cuddling the confederates. And GB could have taken the leftovers to the North and subordinated them to Canada, which did not yet exist. The Russians were afraid that the Europeans would bottle their fleet up in the White Sea. So, the Russians were allowed to have their fleet come here temporarily. The hope being that this would discourage the French and GB from an outright attack.

It would seem that the confiscation of slaves by the Federal Government was in part to gain sympathy from Abolitionists, both here and in Europe.

So, now you see we should be quite suspicious of what Club Med. does.

Cairo>Athens>Rome>Paris>(BRUSSELS)>London>Dublin>Guess WHO's Biden our time, messing up our country.

When representative government leaks into other countries bad things can happen. France>Napoleon, Germany>Hitler.

And the Stalin is a whole different flavor of hell.

Let's see if we can find some common points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon
Quote:

Napoleon was born on the island of Corsica. He was resentful of the French monarchy, and supported the French Revolution in 1789 while serving in the French army, trying to spread its ideals to his native Corsica. He rose rapidly in the ranks after saving the governing French Directory by firing on royalist … See more

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
Quote:

Childhood and education Adolf Hitler was born on 20 April 1889 in Braunau am Inn, a town in Austria-Hungary (present-day Austria), close to the border with the German Empire. He was the fourth of six children born to Alois Hitler and his third wife, Klara Pölzl. Three of Hitler's siblings—Gustav, Ida, and Otto—died in … See more

I am guessing that these two cuties, came from the Farmer line, and not the Hunter Gatherer or the Yamana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

878–1899: Childhood to young adulthood Stalin was born in Georgia in the town of Gori, then part of the Tiflis Governorate of the Russian Empire and home to a mix of Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Russians, and Jews. He was born on 18 December [O.S. 6 December] 1878 and baptised on 29 December. … See more

OK, not so sure of this one. Not necessarily entirely of the farmer line but very near the middle east.

Thees trouble makers come from disrupted areas around the periphery of what we might consider areas attempting representative government.

Wasn't planning to but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
Quote:

Putin was born on 7 October 1952 in Leningrad, Soviet Union (now Saint Petersburg, Russia), the youngest of three children of Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin (1911–1999) and Maria Ivanovna Putina (née Shelomova; 1911–1998). His grandfather, Spiridon Putin (1879–1965), was a personal cook to Vladimir Lenin and … See more

I realize that he is specially trained. But not the same pattern. Actually, that part of Russia has shown tendencies to become "Western" in its own way, but the connections to invaders have damaged that.

Will that bear bite? Certainly, if you back it up against a wall, at the very least.

The history of the "Hoa's" (Cairo>Athens>Rome>Paris>(BRUSSELS)>London>Dublin>) Tendency to become vertical principalities of power, periodic northern invasions historically reset them to a better balance. This was true of the Greeks, and the Israelites. The Greeks married their Hoa. The Israelites killed their Hoa.

I believe that Rome was benefited by northern influx. (Iranians) Tended towards dictatorship otherwise. (M.E.)

I have a tendency at this time to point to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture These peoples in the Eurasian places, were to some extent having some relationship or at least some similarity to Native Americans, and some East Asians.

Germany is part Hunter Gatherer, M.E. Farmer, and Yamnaya similar peoples from the Steppes.
The Farmers in WWII did a really clever job of implicating the Blue-Eyed Germans and the North peoples, as the culprits, of the NAZI movement. But I now believe that it was just an offshoot of fascism generated from the Farmer descended peoples.

All this emerged when we tried to push representative government too fast on peoples not ready for it. And allowed the victors of WWII to torment the German Nation to insanity.

The Ukraine war is a ugly thing, a terrible sore. But if the Russians do what P. Zeihan says they will do, then we can always blow up the world a year after that, if you think that would help.

I need a favor though, is this guy a bad actor or what he is represented to be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pju-IhwVW4Y
Quote:

Douglas Macgregor: Putin to punish Sweden, Finland & Norway after Ukraine
Strategic Insights Hub

Something else you should be aware of:
Both the French and Russian revolutions were started by "Tug-Boat-Anne" types of females who could not take the situation anymore.

So, let's consider the role of females in violence. Not apparent to most who represent the female as always, as innocent.

In reality in the stone age world, it could benefit a female to foster a fight between males. She risks rape or a beating, but then inherits wealth from the survivor who may have killed the other male and taken his possessions. She also gets seed from a killer-winner of the Stone Age.

I follow men's groups, as it is interesting to see what is claimed. They appear to be teasing females with something called "Drizzle Drizzle". It is supposed to be a spoof, but some of the females are actually getting annoyed.

And one woman said outright, that if the men don't straighten up the government will find a war for them to go to.

This, in my opinion is typical of the Farmer culture. A religious cult of women with male priests, which uses common males as slave people, and hopes to mate with a high quality male. Apparently, most of them are getting taken to the cleaners by these "High Quality Males".

A north warrior culture would never put up with this. But these weird people will kill themselves out it looks like, with their stupidity.

My point here is look under the hood. It is not just man bad sometimes, it is woman bad at times as well and they can often keep very well hidden.

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Void · 2024-06-05 12:38:57

This is interesting:
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-oaQUvgV0
“It’s Going To Get Ugly!” – Says Neil Oliver In Interview w/Jimmy …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-oaQUvgV0

From my vantage point, I can express emotions and also perceptions.

First of all, it feels as if somehow, I have gotten back into the public school system I experienced as a child.

I do appreciate that some teachers managed to teach me a bit of something, but I do not like the attempts to condition me to blindly accept authority from people I don't think have any right to exercise it.

As far as logic goes, I think that what we are experiencing is someone who achieved power in a prior time, trying to hold back a tide of change, by creating problems for those they do not want to listen to.

For those of you who do not believe in a higher power than some static picture snapshot established in a prior time, I would think to offer at least the slime mold as something that can react to the environment, even if it does not properly have a brain.

And so, then the gamesters, would seek to deceive it so that they could maintain a power which they previously fell into. Of course, they believe that they are genius. But it is more likely that they were the proper idiot savants for a previous reality and are not properly suited to the following time events. They pranced out into a world where their version of justice suited that situation in time. But they have become used to their positions and lacking the ability to adapt they try to manipulate to maintain the power which they believe they are eternally entitled to.

I believe that different people are called forward in a progression of time formations. I am grateful that someone wants to try to lead, as I feel that my feet are too much of clay. But I hate to see the wasted time and effort.

This is a developing new frame of reality, and they are outsiders to it who refuse to adapt.

I just hate to see some much useless effort to try to use improper cheat codes to try to game the system. It annoys me as it gets in the way of the progress that could have occurred in my opinion.

But that is just the opinion of someone who is not really suitable to high power.

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