Zoom Collaboration

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-07 21:28:08

The First Official NewMars Zoom meeting is ** still ** going!

GW Johnson ** just ** signed off at 10:24 local time (3:24 UTC)

RobertDyck and kbd512 are ** still ** going strong!

I am delighted that the way we set this up is working so well.

The "host" is a work station that is connected by itself.

All participants can connect or disconnect as desired, and the session remains in place.

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kbd512 · 2021-11-07 23:44:52

tahanson43206,

We're done now. Apologies if we held onto your meeting connection for considerably longer than we were supposed to. Some of the technologies that RobertDyck has proposed using will require an entire series of videos to thoroughly explain. Maybe that's what we need to do, in order to raise general awareness of the concepts he's proposed.

NewMarsMember · 2021-11-08 07:53:51

For kbd512 #27

Thank you all for helping to make this first meeting of the NewMars community a success!

You and RobertDyck were ** still ** going at midnight when I looked in on the Meeting Host system.

The suggestion of creating videos to provide exposure for the work of RobertDyck on his Large Ship (and other interests) should fit right in with the existing Mars Society ongoing collection of videos for Conferences, special events and educational videos.

Thanks too, for participation by Clinician_Antilles and GW Johnson!

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Regarding the set up ...

It is only by accident that NewMars set up the Zoom session with an independent Host system, but it clearly worked out very well indeed for this group, and I am happy to continue using that technique. Once the independent host system is running, and the ID and password are published, members can come and go as they might wish to do.

I found the system showing an error (no users) this morning, but otherwise everything seems fine, and the system is ready to go for the next meeting.

It would probably be helpful to schedule a meeting more convenient for our European members, if anyone from the near-Greenwich time zones would like to get together. In the mean time, I'll hold 1 AM UTC Monday time slot open for US/Canadian/Mexican members for Sunday evening connection.

Just to see if there is any interest, I'll plan to open the Host Session next week at the same time.

If no one shows up no harm done.

It appears that once started, a session will remain open if only two participants are registered.

That way, two NewMars members who might want to "meet" at a later time Sunday evening could do so.

I'll also be asking SpaceNut to investigate the kind offer of Mr. Burk to allow us to use the Mars Society paid Zoom service.

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tahanson43206 · 2021-11-08 09:02:44

A meeting of NewMars members is scheduled for Sunday November 14/15 at 1 AM UTC November 15th.

See Post #1 of this topic for procedures and other details.

The host session will be running on an unattended work station, so members can come and go as they might wish.

The session will remain available for as long as members might wish to keep going.

A special meeting can be called at any time, if something comes up that needs immediate attention.

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Clinician_Antilles · 2021-11-08 22:39:29

Good evening everyone,

Thanks again for everyone who was able to come yesterday! Was a pleasure to chat and listen to your thoughts. I just wanted to quickly follow up our discussion yesterday and inform you that when I went to the playbacks of Dr. Zubrin's presentations, I was not able to find his email. Perhaps someone else will be able to send him an email asking about potential buyers for the drill?

In the meantime, I have assorted my list of leads below, along with their websites for your reference:

- Axiom Space: building first private space station

https://www.axiomspace.com

- SpaceX (for obvious reasons)

- Blue Origin (for obvious reasons)

- Xplore: Commercial space tourism

https://www.xplore.com/xpeditions/mars.html

This company offers individuals the opportunity to plan their own expeditions, perhaps the drill could be used by them as a marketing tool (we have this new drill tech etc etc...could help draw scientific parties with drilling interests who undoubtedly exist)

- AsteroidMining Corp: focusing on mining near Earth asteroids (NEA)

https://asteroidminingcorporation.co.uk

- Offworld.ai: developing autonomous robots for industrial use, drill could be useful to them.

https://www.offworld.ai

I still think this list could use supplementation from Dr. Zubrin however!

GW Johnson · 2021-11-09 16:14:45

I'll be watching for any lists. Meanwhile the next target appears to be Bezos.

GW

SpaceNut · 2021-11-09 19:50:30

Clinician_Antilles, take a peek at this topic Human Business and flight plan for mars which is a collection of topics and more for getting to mars.

RobertDyck · 2021-11-09 20:45:32

Clinician_Antilles and GW Johnson, I sent a private email with Dr Zubrin's email address. So you have it now. Please don't abuse it. And no, I won't post it on this forum.

SpaceNut · 2021-11-09 20:51:47

Thanks for doing so and you are right to not do so on the forum....

Clinician_Antilles · 2021-11-10 23:24:37

@SpaceNut thank you for the additional reading material!

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 07:45:47

The free Zoom connection will be set up at 1 AM UTC Monday (Sunday West of London).

As before, the ID and password will be posted here just ahead of the meeting.

We are still waiting for SpaceNut to contact Mr. Burk for instructions on how to use the Mars Society Zoom account.

This service will be provided for NewMars members as long as anyone is interested in using it.

Since this time slot is best for US/Canadian/Mexican members, I am willing to set up a time slot for European members.

Someone will have to ASK for an earlier connection.

Please note: The Zoom connection will be set up on an unattended workstation. NewMars members can come and go.

Our first meeting lasted for over four hours, because two members had a ** lot ** to catch up on.

As a courtesy, please post something in the Chat when you arrive and when you leave.

I will check in and out to see how things are going, but the time requested coincides with a regularly scheduled broadcast I try to catch each week.

If members like this offering, please comment in this topic. It doesn't cost anything to set it up, so I'm glad to do it if anyone wants to use it.

There is ** ONE ** caveat ... my Internet provider is not rock solid ... outages do not occur often, but they ** do ** occur, and since I only have one provider at this point, I'm out of luck if it goes down.

If the Zoom offering is successful with the group, I'd like to have a backup .... someone to start a Zoom session if I am offline for some reason.

One more caveat ... Until SpaceNut comes through with the professional Zoom procedure, the free service has a 40 minute timeout.

The clock does not seem to start until the third person connects, and last week we were awarded an unlimited extension.

*** Possible agenda items might include the Blue Origin proposal.

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GW Johnson · 2021-11-14 16:09:04

I will try to sign on to Zoom meeting tonight. Blue Origin proposal now final, will mail sometime Monday. Will contact Jim Richard at Deltion by email after mailing it, to let him know what we have done. He might have another name or two for us (longshot, but I will ask).

GW

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 17:38:08

Things seem to be on track for the Zoom meeting for NewMars members this evening.

I was not expecting anyone (until GW Johnson mentioned he might attend) so I invited some relatives to stop by if they have time and are not otherwise occupied. Most folks seem to have plans for Sunday evenings, so NewMars is in competition with sports, movies, get-togethers and a zillion other things.

I ** have ** been telling my relatives about NewMars, so there is a slim chance one of them might stop by.

Iime now per time.is/utc is 23:37 ... just about an hour and a half to go.

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tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 18:41:05

The Meeting ID and Password were just posted to Post #1 of this topic.

UTC 40:51 per time.is/utc

The meeting is up and running at 00:53 UTC

RobertDyck and GW Johnson are present. The meeting is in progress at 1:41 UTC.

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RobertDyck · 2021-11-14 19:43:02

Could we get a new session? Please please please please please?

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 19:44:19

For RobertDyck ... ok ... I should have a second session running by 1:50 ... will get right on it.

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GW Johnson · 2021-11-14 19:46:42

Looks like it timed out on us. We were having too good a time, I suppose.

Sounds like another concept proposal for the centrifuge module to ISS. Aimed at SpaceX and NASA. I gotta go look at Falcon-9 tons to ISS. 14 might work, but if not Falcon-Heavy could certainly do the job with room to spare. If that's the feasible option, we should "sweeten the pot" by adding some other payload items to the centrifuge module. Gotta think about that.

GW

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 19:54:04

For GW Johnson ...;. the second zoom session should be up and running.

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RobertDyck · 2021-11-14 19:54:15

Old SpaceRef.com article: ISS Elements: Centrifuge Accommodation Module (CAM)

The CAM is designed to house the Centrifuge Facility and is 8.9 meters (29 feet) long, 4.4 meters (14.4 feet) in diameter, and will weigh 10 tons at launch. The CAM has 14 rack locations, 4 of which house experimental hardware with the remaining 10 dedicated to stowage. The centrifuge rotor is located in the module's endcone. The CAM will be launched aboard a Space Shuttle on mission ISS-UF7 (Utilization Flight-7) in 2006.

Converting 10 US tons to metric: 9.071847 tonnes

Wikipedia: Cygnus (spacecraft)

Launch mass 6,600 kg
Dry mass 3,400 kg
Payload capacity 3,000 kg
The service module is built by Orbital ATK and is based on their GEOStar and LEOStar spacecraft buses as well as components from the development of the Dawn spacecraft. It has a gross mass of 1,800 kg with propulsion provided by thrusters using the hypergolic propellants hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide and is capable of producing up to 4 kW of electrical power via two gallium arsenide solar arrays.

I assume that means 3,200 kg of propellant.

So 9.07 tonnes CAM + 1.8 tonnes dry mass service module + 3.2 tonnes propellant = 14.07 tonnes total launch mass.

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 19:58:25

The meeting is back in session .... it is good for the next 30 minutes

Anyone is welcome to join....

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RobertDyck · 2021-11-14 20:04:35

Click image for Wikipedia page:

SpaceNut · 2021-11-14 20:34:16

All the posts we have here
2005-05-18 13:50:30

RobS wrote:

Here's another article about artificial gravity:
Artificial Gravity: NASA Spins Up New Study
Notable quotation: "Young has long been a research advocate for artificial gravity. He notes that a short radius centrifuge spinning at high rates -- upwards of 180 degrees per second – while practical, has its challenges too.
"At MIT, under National Space Biomedical Research Institute sponsorship, Young and his research colleagues have shown that astronaut surrogates can adapt to the initially sickening Coriolis effects of head turns during centrifugation, even at high speeds."
They're talking about 30 revolutions per minute, too! I wouldn't want to do that, but it sounds like 4 or even 6 rpm is practical.
-- RobS

2005-09-15 11:13:29

SpaceNut wrote:

We know that the muscle lose and so do the very bones to which are there under laying strength over time in 0 g . But what if there were a way though exercise...
Space Cycle tests artificial gravity as solution to muscle loss
A bike-like centrifuge that creates artificial gravity may help astronauts combat muscle atrophy in space. Through a study at the University of California, Irvine, the National Space Biomedical Research Institute (NSBRI) is exploring the concept of a Space Cycle for inflight resistance-training exercise.
http://www.nsbri.org/images/SpaceCycleI.jpg

2007-02-12 08:24:50

SpaceNut wrote:

I had all but forgot about the Centrifuge module a life science unit sitting unfinished at the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency in Tsukuba.
Lab module unfinished due to NASA

2008-03-17 07:53:38

SpaceNut wrote:

Here is a starter page less the centrifuge that no longer is going up...
http://www.isset.org/nasa/tss/aerospace … ch2_2.html
It is from this orginal one http://aerospacescholars.jsc.nasa.gov/H … ss/5/4.cfm
Of course Breathing easy is one step http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast13nov_1.htm
Of course each trip up there as well as while a crew stays for long periods of time there are always on going work http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iss-science-03a.html
Lots more can be found here as weel as many more places http://spaceflightsystems.grc.nasa.gov/ … SResearch/
2012-07-05 01:24:31
JonClarke wrote:
The module was built and resides in Japan.
Kibo has some centrifuges onboard http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stati … /CBEF.html
There is also a nanoracks centrifuge experiment to be launched http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp … 426744.xml
Then there is the student learning level http://iss.cet.edu/lifescience/default.xml

2014-01-13 14:14:46

SpaceNut wrote:

http://galaxywire.net/2009/04/25/left-o … on-module/
It was done to defy costs for the Japanese module but its time to build and put it up there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge … ons_Module
If the partially built shell is intact then why not finish it.

2015-03-18 20:36:11

SpaceNut wrote:

Both got cancelled back in 2005 as there was not enough open slots to send them up on shuttle and ISS cost overruns .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge … ons_Module
The CAM flight model along with the engineering model of the centrifuge rotor were manufactured.
The partly built shell of the Centrifuge Accommodations Module sits outside at Tsukuba Space Center in Japan.U.S. President Barack Obama's 2011 budget contains money for extending the ISS and this could allow procuring a new centrifuge for the International Space Station.
Did the funding ever get into the budget for Nasa to make use of?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitation_Module
The Habitation Module for the International Space Station was intended to be the Station's main living quarters designed with galley, toilet, shower, sleep stations and medical facilities
We are to late for this one as NASA Recycles Former ISS Module for Life Support Research
http://i.space.com/images/i/000/001/469 … 1292264025
The 8,500-pound (3,855-kilogram) common module was not yet modified to suit astronaut housing needs aboard the ISS due to budget constraints that led station planners to pull the habitation module from the launch manifest, NASA officials added.The 29-foot (8.8-meter) long, 16-foot (4.8-meter) wide module will be connected to two others at MSFC that were designed specifically for life support system research.

2015-09-15 19:33:28

SpaceNut wrote:

Thats funny that you should talk about artificail graity as I was reading the nasawatch website today and came across this posting by Kieth,,,, NASA Talks In Glowing Terms About Centrifuge It Cancelled which is now up to comments...of which its been at least a decade that its been sitting outside rusting and corroding....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9BncEWIAEIkVH.jpg:small
http://galaxywire.net/wp-content/upload … _1_550.jpg
http://old.spaceonline.tv/iss/cen.jpg
ISS centrifuge demonstration
If produced, this centrifuge will be the first in-space demonstration of sufficient scale for artificial partial-g effects. The demonstrator would be sent using a single Delta IV or Atlas V launcher. The full cost of such a demonstrator would be between US$83 million and US$143 million. It could be operational in less than 39 months after start.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … demo_1.png
now who has any extra cash ... what about crowd funding....

RobertDyck · 2021-11-14 20:36:50

Another please?

tahanson43206 · 2021-11-14 20:37:44

For SpaceNut .... the second Zoom session just ended

GW Johnson was right in the middle of a story about a phased array radar in (or near) Chesapeake Bay and he was about to describe how a sea gull was cooked by the beam.

Please see if you can find out how we can use the Mars Society Zoom account.

(th)

RobertDyck · 2021-11-14 20:38:55

I created a meeting:
Rob Dyck is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us05web.zoom.us/j/3962272663?pw … VzVmp1dz09

Meeting ID: 396 227 2663
Passcode: 47ZJSj

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