Why do we have Poverty in America

SpaceNut · 2020-01-26 10:48:42

Repost to level the power of the Human for making energy..

might as well make use of that exercise energy to do something useful like in pumping water to compressing air or even making electricity.

https://krisdedecker.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0099229e8883301bb09c45c1d970d-800wi

https://krisdedecker.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0099229e8883301b8d280e543970c-800wi

So how much energy do we get depends on the person
power-potential-various-exercise-machines

POWER PRODUCTION
Lat Pulldown: 594W/612W
Leg press: 450W/360W
Low Row: 306W/270W
Chest Press: 270W/189W
Machine Fly: 234W/189W
Leg extension 207W/126W
Triceps extension 198W/234W
Shoulder press 135W/162W
ENERGY PRODUCTION
Lat Pulldown: 9,9Wh/10,2Wh
Leg press: 7,5Wh/6Wh
Low Row: 5,1Wh/4,5Wh
Chest Press: 4,5Wh/3,15Wh
Fly: 3,9Wh/3,15Wh
Leg extension 3,45Wh/2,1Wh
Triceps extension3,3Wh/3,9Wh
Shoulder press 2,25Wh/2,7Wh
ENDURANCE TRAINING
Stair stepper: 150 watt = 50 Wh in 20 minutes.
Rowing machine: 122 watt = 40.6 Wh in 20 minutes.
Cycling machine: 110 watt = 36.6 Wh in 20 minutes.
Crossfit: 50 watt = 16,.7 Wh in 20 minutes.
Steps: 35 watt = 11.7 Wh in 20 minutes.

Here is a bit more for that exercise group schedule
https://www.lowimpact.org/human-power-generation/

The key is not just making the energy but being able to store it for later use. The lowimpact page has lots of stuff to go for more topics on the right side bar of other stories. These can also be applied to the poverty topic as well as energy is costly.

tahanson43206 · 2020-01-27 07:24:39

For SpaceNut re #426

It is not clear to me if it was your intention to offer human powered energy generation as an employment opportunity for humans on Earth in 2020, but that is certainly a possibility. It would require some social adjustment, but it is certainly conceivable that the members of a society might decide to provide honest labor opportunity to its citizens who cannot find work in the capitalist structure of many modern nations.

Instead of poverty programs that provide a pittance of food to those who are not enjoying the benefits of the few available capitalist jobs, this scenario would enlist workers to put in 40 hours per week of honest labor producing energy.

Compensation would be based upon the expectation of a full 40 hours of honest labor, and the quantity of energy produced, adjusted to the physical capability of the body of the worker.

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In another topic, I have proposed reducing the efficiency of energy production at power plants to increase opportunities for honest labor in the US population. The holy grail of ever increasing efficiency has resulted in a yawning disparity between the conditions of life for the vast majority and the privileged few who have gained control of the means of production.

If energy content (as an example) is reduced from 40 (coal) to 4 (steel powder) then 10 times as many transport trains would be needed as at present. This means there would be two workers more for every train (discounting the trend toward 1 engineer in play today) and many more workers needed to maintain tracks. More workers would be needed to build and then maintain rail cars, and to build the new iron burning steam engines which would be needed to move the iron from wind farms in the West to power plants in the East, South and North, as well as the West if there are still coal plants out that way.

It should be noted that there are likely to be Job Creator opportunities in great number needed to staff up for the transition, in both the human energy scenario and the de-efficiency campaign for electric power.

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Calliban · 2020-01-27 07:43:57

The average human being is capable of producing sustained power of about 75 watts. So as a bulk power source, this is not a sensible idea. However, there are applications that require only small amounts of energy on an occasional basis. Often, the cost of providing this small amount of power using batteries and grid charging connections is a high proportion of lifetime cost. In those situations, human power is a good idea.

The simplicity of a human powered bicycle, makes it much more affordable than an electric scooter. A gravity powered light, is a self contained device, which will last centuries without wearing out. A torch can be charged by the movement of a human carrying it in his pocket. A sewing machine can be peddle powered, etc. There are many applications where small amounts of power can be provided by humans, eliminating a lot of complexity. The brace is a human powered drill. It is a much simpler device than an electric powered drill and much easier to make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brace_%28tool%29

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SpaceNut · 2020-01-27 10:38:53

There are lots of human powered items as indicated by Calliban, which all use the upratio of rpm from pedaling to create the higher rpm for the work to be done.

Job creation and business:
If you make a human powered gym and the fee for using the exercise equipment is prorated from the power created as an offset to using it. The power created powers the lights and such for the gym to lower operations cost.

Major service industries like food processing, farming and hotels as well as small businesses such as restaurants and building contractors and provide sought-after services such as child care and cleaning. Job paying less than minimum wage (under 8 )and under 20 hours are the reason for the homeless as they can not get enough money from those jobs when they are not full time.
2018, about 125.57 million people were employed on a full-time. Young people age 14 to 18 should be the only ones working for less than 20 hours a week not adults. Working Age Population: Aged 15-64 needs to be revised as its now past that upper age as I have seen people past there 70's still working full time jobs.

United States · Population 325.72 million (2017) but what totals are under 18 as they really are not the employment ranks for the unemployed.

The current unemployment as of oct 2019 is 3.6% but we know its not entirely true...
Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Nov 26, 2019 In 2018, around 155.76 million people were employed in the United States.

The average American earns $27.16 per hour, tell that to the ones earning 8 but for how many was used for the average....
Forty-three percent of U.S. workers think they are underpaid is hard to believe when you are earning the average...

Bureau of Labor Statistics defines the unemployment rate as the number of people who want a job and cannot find one (that’s the numerator), divided by the number of people who are “in the labor force” (the denominator). So the numbers are a lie....

In January 2018, 552,830 people were counted as homeless in the United States. Of those, 194,467 (35 percent) were unsheltered, and 358,363 (65 percent) were sheltered. The overall homeless population on a single night represents 0.2 percent of the U.S. population, or 17 people per 10,000 in the population. The 2018 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress as a point in time estimate....

The poor can not afford to pay for food, water, electricity, shelter, heating or cooling, transportation tahanson43206 but still need to provide a means for oneself to get a leg out of the bottom. We need to drive greater distances in most cases to get to that better paying job and not just take on more low paying jobs that are not full time with no overtime hours.

I think the power rating for a scooter or augmented powered bicycle is 450w in the UK and 750 w here in the US. These use batteries and are limited in speed to less than 40mph in the US. Couple that with the ability to not use the batteries and a couple of those solar panels from back a page you now have a mobile means to get a greater distance for the ability to get better paying jobs. Changing the number of powered as well as wheel count on the vehicle from 3 to 4 makes a vehicle to could travel at near highway speeds or at the trailer towing speed of 45 mph.

Quadricyle topic and one can use compressed air as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Powered_Vehicle

of course if you got some money there are levels to these vehicles from the do it yourselfer to quite nice and speedy.
http://www.alternative-energy-news.info … ar-hybrid/
https://www.electricbike.com/the-twike-challenge/

Terraformer · 2020-01-27 13:28:52

Calliban,

Human powered vehicles would be even more effective if they were recumbent and had electric assist for hill climbing and acceleration. I think a reasonably fit adult should be able to maintain 20 mph quite easily with one? For getting around a town, that would be plenty. The biggest problem would be motor vehicles causing a safety risk, but if there's a shortage of oil that problem will disappear. Make them easy to store, rebuild our railway network, and we're good.

SpaceNut · 2020-01-27 17:22:50

The US wage for the federal guidlines are not what is in the guidlines for getting food commodities. The Commodity Supplemental Food Program (CSFP) works to improve the health of low-income elderly persons at least 60 years of age by supplementing their diets with nutritious USDA Foods.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/de … elines.pdf

The first on the chart is $12,490 income before taxes for a single person and when you look at a 40 hr wk x 52 weeks this comes back as 6.00 hr wage which is below the amount a person should be recieving. Also since 1 is a household there is no other wage earner in the household but the chart as it incrememnts members could mean all members could be pooling there money for the household as well to survive not just 1 but any total of income from all collectively.

here is the food help one would recieve from the program when qualifying
https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/de … ilable.pdf

The same line is used for health insurance
https://obamacarefacts.com/the-federal- … -coverage/

The numbers for other federal assistance is a bit higher
https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines

Federal Poverty Levels are also used to help determine Medicaid and CHIP eligibility and to help determine eligibility for some other non-healthcare related assistance programs (see a full list and more details on the guidelines below).
https://obamacarefacts.com/federal-poverty-level/

SpaceNut · 2020-01-29 22:17:34

Was on a shuttle bus and a young man of 26 that lives 3 hours away was saying that the big city which he has a home had not jobs. How can a huge city have not jobs? Well we see the homeless in big to small and everything in between. Sure some are not looking for a job but there some that have not given up hope and they would like a good paying full time job to work at.

tahanson43206 · 2020-01-30 08:18:34

For SpaceNut re #432

This was an opportunity to suggest to the young gent that he might consider becoming a Job Creator.

There is no job category in the newspaper or in any of the online job sites for "Job Creator".

Every SINGLE one of the ads are posted by a Job Creator.

The mind set that causes an individual to only consider being a Job Holder is pervasive and almost impossible to eradicate.

Only the rarest of individuals appear to be able to see themselves as job creators. Examples (of course) are Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and a number of others who the reader can call up from memory.

I have an opportunity to match my position on this to corresponding action. I met two young gents recently.

One is a recent graduate of a major University who is working a checkout line in a retail store while he tries to find something more appropriate to his education. I offered that person a lead to a Job Creator who is hiring in his field.

The other is a recent graduate in liberal arts. I met this person in a volunteer setting, where he seemed to be handling his responsibilities (sales work) with a good spirit and in an acceptable manner. I offered the same information to this person, but am less confident of the potential match because the job opening is very specific.

In neither case did I think to offer the suggestion to consider becoming a Job Creator instead of just a Job Holder for the rest of their lives.

This conversation with you will (hopefully) stay with me so that I do better the next time an opportunity comes along.

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SpaceNut · 2020-02-01 14:48:11

The confusion comes from the word order as they have, different meaning but many think this is the only way to create jobs with and that is to create a business to employ people.
Four Real World Ways to Create More Jobs

Reduce Interest Rates. Expansionary monetary policy is when a central bank, such as the Federal …
Spend on Public Works. A University of Massachusetts at Amherst study found that all government …
Spend on Unemployment Benefits. The second most cost-effective solution is unemployment …
Cut Business Payroll Taxes for New Hires. Tax cuts create jobs by letting families or businesses …

" Job Creators " are wealthy because they are industrious, virtuous, hard working people and can use their vast wealth to create jobs.

This does not mean that if you are not of wealth that you can not make a business its just harder.

https://www.jcnf.org/ or https://www.jobcreatorsnetwork.com is the Jobs Creation Network Foundation

The small business association and burals are set up to offer assistance maybe you can write for a grant https://usagrantapplications.org
or https://jmrfunding.com/ for funding or from https://www.practicalecommerce.com/20-G … Businesses

No matter what you strive to creat you will need a business plan to convince those that have the money to get the help you need.
https://financial-projections.com
https://planbuildr.com/businessplan/templates
https://www.sba.gov/business-guide/plan … iness-plan

So what is the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation with in the Health and Human Resources do?
https://aspe.hhs.gov/2019-poverty-guidelines

https://www.thebalance.com/federal-pove … rt-3305843

SpaceNut · 2020-02-01 16:08:48

The table is set up with a base line of poverty level for a household of four in 2020 is an annual income of $26,200 whether this is 2 people with earnings or 1 with any combinations of hours worked such that you are under the cap value. It is a shared resource for all members in the household with each head having a set value of $4,480 per person of unshared income.

Of course you income is Gross and not net to start to solve for your ability to pay for all costs of living. Some use the budgetary practice
basic rule on net income sfter-taxes deviding it up, spending 50% on needs and 30% on wants while allocating 20% to savings. With 30% for housing costs but is hard to maintain this when the costs keep rising. While other subscribe to the The 70-20-10 Rule such that if you spend 75% of your income on living expenses, reduce the amount you put into your savings by 5%. If you want to put more money into your savings, you must reduce your living expenses and/or decrease your debt.

The cost of living definition amount a person needs to spend to cover basic expenses such as housing, food, taxes, and healthcare
of course there are many items not in this article.

The legal community indicates that Ordinary and necessary living expenses.
An individual's ordinary and necessary living expenses include rent, mortgage payments, utilities, maintenance, food, clothing, insurance (life, health and accident), taxes, installment payments, medical expenses, support expenses when the individual is legally responsible, and other miscellaneous expenses which the individual can establish as being ordinary and necessary.

Of course this is even lacking many items that tip the scale negative.

What is overlooked is transporation costs.

SpaceNut · 2020-02-05 18:10:28

I was sort of shocked when I read the number in this articles headline. More than 1.5 million students in U.S. are homeless, report says during the 2017-2018 school year,

Report
"The record number of children and youth experiencing homelessness nationwide is alarming," SchoolHouse Connection, a non-profit that works to combat homelessness

Schools exist in all communities, regardless of whether or not there are enough shelter beds; they are required to identify, enroll, and serve homeless children and youth; they use a definition of homelessness that captures the reality of homelessness for youth and families; and they provide the tools children and youth need to succeed."

Sort of like saying we failed to educate is what is being seen with the increasing numbers...

SpaceNut · 2020-02-09 19:15:10

Social Security has a massive reach, with an estimated 64 million Americans having received benefits in 2019, according to the Social Security Administration. The average monthly Social Security payment for retirees was $1,471 in June 2019.

SpaceNut · 2020-02-10 19:34:58

Single numbers
use to live on + tax deduction plus health care life insurance+ use to retire on
4480 + 3800 + 4480 = 12760

40 years to retirement savings = 179,200
30 years = 134,400
20 years = 89,600

70-20-10 rule of the 4480
70 = 3,136 / 12 = 261 for rental or own payment including all expenses for where you live plus property taxes in some form
20 = 896 / 12 = 75 for transportation, food
10 = 448 / 12 = 37 monthly savings

SpaceNut · 2020-02-13 18:40:57

Getting the rich to pay there fair share has not ben easy when its the tax forms that are limiting what they do pay.
The wage base limit for Social Security tax in 2020 is $137,700 — any amount of earned income above this won’t be subject to Social Security withholdings for the year. Knowing about this cap, you might start to wonder about all the money earned over that amount that is going untaxed and could be funding Social Security and more.

The Social Security tax is generally levied at 12.4%, which is split evenly between employer and employee. The Medicare tax is normally levied at 2.9% for most people, and it too is split evenly. High-income earners are subject to a 0.9% additional Medicare tax. The Federal Unemployment tax is generally levied at 6%, and it’s paid by the employer.

The taxes brought in $1.243 trillion in 2019 and are expected to bring in $1.3 trillion in 2020. It sure is time for a change to how much is to be the taxation limit for the future to have funds for those that have been paying into this fund.

kbd512 · 2020-02-13 21:40:44

SpaceNut,

Just take everything they have and quit whining about not having more money after you take everything they have and get no more. I promise you that they won't work to pay your way through life, because that's not why they choose to work to make money instead of complaining about what they don't have. You can and no doubt would make everybody equally poor and miserable, but it won't make you rich or happy.

Given the amount of time you've wasted on this forum complaining about what others have that you or someone else doesn't, one would think that you could've just as easily devoted equal time and effort to improving your own economic situation, but that requires real work, is an utterly thankless task as most of us already know, and carries a real possibility of failure with it.

Seriously, how many hours over how many years have you wasted envying what others have?

Do you really think rich people think the way you do?

It's all just "luck of the birth lottery", isn't it?

After you run out of other peoples' money, which will happen in less than a year the way our government spends money, even if you take everything they have, then what?

SpaceNut · 2020-02-15 16:20:21

I wish that I had a prorated stopping point for a pay in system....would not want to over pay for the benefit that one would recieve.

States where food stamps are used the most
If you have never been there you would not know how critical such programs are...

kbd512 · 2020-02-15 17:13:10

SpaceNut,

I can't recall ever suggesting that people who truly need financial assistance should not be given assistance. However, every attempt that President Trump has made to make work a requirement for those who are able to work has been struck down by our courts after legal challenges from our Democrats, for people who could otherwise work if they choose to do so. Why shouldn't they be required to give back to their own people in exchange for what they receive? If you broke your leg at work and couldn't pay for medical treatment, then the tax payers will pick up the bill, but why is it unreasonable to have that person fill out paperwork in the office for the rest of his or her fellow workers while their leg is healing?

In the military, when this happens it's simply understood that they need to give your leg time to heal, but while your leg is healing you will be required to take care of desk duties while the rest of your fellow sailors perform whatever duties you previously had when you were not disabled. How is that not completely fair to everyone involved?

SpaceNut · 2020-02-15 17:39:32

The solder example is a fair one to see for a model.

Where first limitation is they have minimal travel and can make it there in any weather condition from sleeping quarters to office in wheel chair or cruches. So a place like where I live on a 400 foot high hill would be a barrier, with nearest place to work is 2 miles one way would be another for self reliance as you would most likely not be able to drive until a vehicle could be specially modified for ailment conditions even if you had or could afford one for sit down clerical work.

For disability the hurdles to be declared disabled takes not only medical records a examination possibly by states doctors and even then a court battle to get money so as to be able to live. Of which a stay at home mom for care for the families children puts that person in the supplement aid part of the SSI for disabled as thats not considered work even if you got paid as is for family. That means that if you do get a judgement for funds that it will be based on the other family members income of which if you are getting to much income you will lose the SSDI for the disability.

So far we have only talked about the physical barriers that keep many in this status of not being able to work and in need of that status on a permanent bases.

The mental ones that are getting it for self inflicted disability I agree with you that they need to cure themselves with those that get there from injury fall into another category....

SpaceNut · 2020-02-15 18:16:36

Here is the compass points of the US for values for how much we need some of these assistence programs:
from the link

47. New Hampshire
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 7.3%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 38,747
- Average benefit per household: $191.93 (#50 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 7.6% (#50 highest among all states)
Although food insecurity in New Hampshire is less than the national average (about 9.6% to 13%), the state is reporting higher levels than a decade ago. To help combat this trend, New Hampshire uses a Double Up Food Bucks program that provides an additional 50% off certain fresh fruits and vegetables.
38. South Dakota
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 10.8%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 37,323
- Average benefit per household: $264.93 (#6 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 13.1% (#20 highest among all states)
Poverty rates in South Dakota are slowly decreasing and remain below the national average. However, recent census data shows American Indian residents have a high poverty rate, almost double the next highest race/ethnic group. Proposed federal food stamp changes may particularly affect residents living on reservations.

30. Arizona
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 14.4%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 375,236
- Average benefit per household: $256.60 (#10 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 14% (#15 highest among all states)
About one in seven Arizona residents lives in poverty. Overall, state poverty levels are falling, but remain above the national average. Estimates show that 6,700 to 30,000 Arizona residents are in danger of losing their food stamp benefits under new federal changes.

28. Texas
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 14.7%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 1,439,988
- Average benefit per household: $269.93 (#3 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 14.9% (#12 highest among all states)
Texas has a 14% hunger and food insecurity rate. Although the poverty rate in Texas is falling, it remains one of the highest in the nation. Last December, more than 100,000 residents filed for food stamp benefits.
25. Alaska
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 15.1%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 38,335
- Average benefit per household: $375.80 (#2 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 10.9% (#38 highest among all states)
More than a third of Alaskan children live in poverty. Alaskan natives and American Indians are the most affected, and a recent report stated that 20% of Alaskan children "lived in homes without enough food."
20. California
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 16.2%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 2,118,468
- Average benefit per household: $235.81 (#27 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 12.8% (#25 highest among all states)
California continues to battle a homeless crisis and wildfires that negatively affect low-income residents. The state is pion

17. Georgia
- Percent of households receiving food stamps: 16.8%
- Total households receiving food stamps: 637,959
- Average benefit per household: $262.40 (#7 highest among all states)
- Poverty rate: 14.3% (#13 highest among all states)
Poverty in Georgia is steadily declining, but the state still has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. The Atlanta Community Food Bank reports 21.1% of children they serve are food insecure. In recent years, the food bank gave out over 56 million meals.

Increasing need was for each state.

kbd512 · 2020-02-15 18:32:00

SpaceNut,

I used to work in the health care services industry getting MEDICARE / MEDICAID / VVC / etc reimbursement for medical services rendered by hospitals, so I do have some idea of what's involved.

There's this service called Uber that you can use to get to work. It's a real thing and it really works and yes, even I have used it. People I know use it to get to / from work on a regular basis. The link below is to a new current production front-loading car for those who would otherwise have a hard time getting out of a conventional car with a broken leg:

Microlino

When I said I wanted a practical and affordable electric car, the Microlino was what I had in mind. It's an utilitarian personal transport appliance that doesn't take up much space and is more than adequate for 90% of everyday driving activities, here in America and everywhere else. Something the size of a small refrigerator need not be expensive or difficult to use and service, if mass-produced. A lane on a road can easily have 6 of these things in the same space occupied by a normal SUV because they accelerate and stop faster. If the design was slightly altered, it could be a 4-seater suitable for virtually all realistic city driving, even in a city like Houston where I live where everything is really spread out.

SpaceNut · 2020-02-15 19:37:59

LoL The Steve urkel tv shows car....
steve-urkel_car_2.jpg?w=736

I do know what you mean...

SpaceNut · 2020-02-19 19:36:14

Is this a sign of continued growing poor, tax cheating? Wendy's fined for violating child labor laws having teenage employees at dozens of Massachusetts restaurants work later and longer than allowed. Investigators, found that the restaurant violating thes two child labor laws by allowing 16- and 17-year-old employees to work past 10 p.m. and more than nine hours per day.

Under Massachusetts law, children under 18 may not work more than nine hours a day or more than 48 hours in a week. Fourteen- and 15-year-old children may not work later than 7 p.m., while 16- and 17-year-olds may not work later than 10 p.m. on a night preceding a school day, or later than midnight preceding a non-school day.

louis · 2020-02-19 19:52:07

Again what is the point of these posts on a site dedicated to Mars? It might interest you but it doesn't interest people interested in Mars.

SpaceNut wrote:

Is this a sign of continued growing poor, tax cheating? Wendy's fined for violating child labor laws having teenage employees at dozens of Massachusetts restaurants work later and longer than allowed. Investigators, found that the restaurant violating thes two child labor laws by allowing 16- and 17-year-old employees to work past 10 p.m. and more than nine hours per day.
Under Massachusetts law, children under 18 may not work more than nine hours a day or more than 48 hours in a week. Fourteen- and 15-year-old children may not work later than 7 p.m., while 16- and 17-year-olds may not work later than 10 p.m. on a night preceding a school day, or later than midnight preceding a non-school day.

SpaceNut · 2020-02-23 17:16:47

A business that takes advantage of employees should not be allowed and that when you look hard at the reason its just breaking the law...

The evidence from Mr. Trump’s initiatives to deny assistance to millions of Americans who would previously have been eligible by requiring work for assistance is more responsible for falling food stamp rolls. Mr. Trump’s contends that it is from an improving economy rather than attempts to limit access. President Trump likes to claim credit for the number of Americans who have stopped receiving food stamps since he entered office. In July 2018, he said 3.5 million had fallen from the rolls; of which it was said to be that next spring it would be 5 million but just this month, the number had grown to 7 million. These figures only show Mr. Trump has pushed struggling Americans off public assistance by pressing to restrict eligibility for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, Medicaid and other programs. Of which I have seen an increase of the homeless...

kbd512 · 2020-02-23 19:23:14

SpaceNut,

Why does someone with your age and intelligence persist with these non-sensical arguments about the way the world is supposed to work?

By the very nature of the transaction, as an employee you are voluntarily selling your services to a business you don't own at less than market value. If you want market value for your labor, then you need to work for yourself. Declaring that some crime has been committed does not make it so. This is just the latest regressive leftist attempt at a power grab based upon their ideologically warped perception of reality. If you feel that you're entitled to more than you make by working for someone else, then work for yourself and the market will let you know what value it places upon your labor.

If you want something that someone else is forced to pay for at the point of a gun, precisely what taxation is, but aren't otherwise disabled or prevented from doing work to acquire what you need or want, then you should have to do something that is of some mild benefit to them, however indirect, such as doing some kind of work as remuneration for what the rest of the tax payers are providing to you. This entire fanciful notion that you should get anything at all while doing nothing at all must end.

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