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#26 2019-11-11 14:41:07

SpaceNut
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Re: California Wildfires

With several years of large fires its Rebirth, angst and the 'new normal' of California wildfires

Haunted by loss of families and belongings they face the insurance companies that defaulted for many leaving them stuck with a mortage and no home to actually live in.

For the many others who remain, it means a life interrupted by electrical outages, the utility company's attempt to prevent power lines from sparking fires in the high winds. It means readying "fire Totes" that contain important documents and keepsakes. It is food lines and pop-up assistance centers and having counselors and comfort dogs at the ready when children return to school after evacuation. It is sprinkler installation and built-in tactics to combat fire, trimming vegetation vigilantly and creating "defensible space" around homes, now a regular topic of conversation between neighbors.

There are more than a few that feel Climate change could end mortgages as we know them

. In California, for instance, 50,000 homeowners can't get property or casualty insurance because of the increased risk to their homes.

Yet for now, no mortgage lender, portfolio manager or buyer of mortgages takes into account climate-induced floods, except to determine if a house sits in a 100-year floodplain at the time the mortgage is issued,

A wet forest is harder to burn and with water reaching draught levels in multiple years that would explain why the forest is a burning

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#27 2019-11-11 15:03:55

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Re: California Wildfires

I'm aiming my comments at the issue of what causes these fires to propagate and become unmanageable. I've lived in the Rocky Mountain states the bulk of my adult life, and have been an outdoors oriented person the entire time. I blame the disasters on the so-called "greenies," ot the ardent tree huggers. I'm not sure of the time frame or any specific dates, but the "green movement" of prohibiting the USFS from doing REAL forest management is ultimately responsible. My late wife and I purchased some mountain land in Wyoming in 1994--160 really beautiful acres with fishing stream flowing through, and was about 50 % timbered. We were surrounded on all sides but one small strip, by Forest Service land. The timber was about 75 % good, but a large portion of our trees, and those of the forest land, had become infested by the Pine Bark Beetle; as a result, there was a LOT of dead, dry, and standing timber. That was a recipe for absolute disaster. So we began a major project of felling and removing the dead trees selectively from out land; we had a 4 WD tractor and hauled out literally hundreds of dead trees which we cut up and took much of it home for firewood. Some of the other dead but still useful timber we converted to fence posts for the ranch. Then with onset of my wife's illness, we sold the property "just in the nick of time." Two years after we sold it, there was a massive forest fire in the area which destroyed several thousand acres of USFS forest.

To make a long story short--the land which we had selectively thinned managed to survive better than the unmanaged USFS land.

The culprits involved are dead and still standing trees; lots of underburden on the ground, out of control vegetation that was capable of burning. There is NOTHING uglier than the remains of a once beautiful forest left to burn due to poor management. That means NO management or attempt to keep the forests healthy by selective thinning and removal of diseased timber. This is due to the efforts of radical environmentalists. I lay it firmly at their feet.

So---I am saying the "green freak" Californians have created their own doomsday.

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#28 2019-11-11 15:47:21

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Re: California Wildfires

You are 100% right with managed forest grooming such that partial removal over periods of time allow for fresh growth to be continual. In between the cuttings is soil managment to allow for the under growth to be turned in and groomed to support the new trees. Even the conservation forest areas are cut managed to reduce fires here in NH.

So what are the federal foresty rules on this action as the tree crop is for profit in many areas for harvesting and this is taxed by the communities that the forest is in?

The governement agencies are not set up to generate profits and I am sure can not let others take for free either as its owned by all.

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#29 2019-11-11 17:38:33

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USFS formerly held auctions, and the receipts went into the US Treasury. The "tree huggers" all put a stop to that practice. They thought that conservation meant "let it all burn." In my view, conservation means CONSERVE the resource, and not let it degrade to shit. The old practice of clear cutting was ugly, but selective harvest of timber is utilization of a valuable National resource. In the Rocky Mountain west, even clear cutting was beneficial to the elk herds. Elk can browse on younger vegetation, but can't eat the older trees.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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#30 2019-11-11 18:11:06

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Seems that my town got smart and is using it to offset the property taxes for its residents.

Conservation really means that its going to stay as a nature forest rather than a parking lot does not mean unmanaged for sure as you are indicating for the "tree huggers" that would just lead to more problems than it does good to leave nature to nature. As has been seen mother nature does not like powerline issues or the random unauthorized campfires.... Even at the age of 13 in the Boy scouts we never set any forest fires.....

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#31 2019-11-11 18:55:39

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Most, but not all, forest fires are started by lightning. In Colorado, near Nederland, some camping illegal aliens hiding in the National Forest had a campfire get out of control and nearly burned the village down. Burned about a thousand acres s a result.

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#32 2020-01-04 20:04:54

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I thought that I had posted about the fires for Austrialia

So why did it take so long for help to be given to fight them...

US sends additional support to Australia to help battle apocalyptic wildfires

Wildfires raged on Saturday in Australia, choking the sky with smoke, forcing thousands to flee and prompting the U.S. to send more fire personnel to help battle the blazes. The country's wildfires began in September and are expected to last for several months as the hot weather continues.

https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/

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#33 2020-01-08 19:37:43

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Ferocious fires in Australia intensify

suomi-npp-viirs-australia-east-coast-fire-smoke-tracks-hg.jpg

As the New Year starts, the outlook for the bushfire situation in Australia continues to be grim. These huge and disastrous fires continue to burn ferociously and with abandon, and reports have come out that the fires have actually intensified in the last 12 hours. NOAA-NASA's Suomi NPP satellite captured imagery of the fires and the resultant billowing smoke cascading off the edge of Australia on Jan. 01, 2020.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fire … index.html

The smoke and fire are changing our lives...

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#34 2020-01-08 21:33:53

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Re: California Wildfires

Well, we do have 747's that can smother fires.  Maybe we need some more of those over there.  We also have StratoLaunch doing its best imitation of a paperweight right now and that thing was meant to carry a monster payload.  I'm not sure how thoroughly it's been flight tested at this point, but maybe someone should get on that so someone can benefit from it.

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#35 2020-01-16 19:49:40

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NASA animates world path of smoke and aerosols from Australian fires

A fleet of NASA satellites working together has been analyzing the aerosols and smoke from the massive fires burning in Australia.

The fires in Australia are not just causing devastation locally. The unprecedented conditions that include searing heat combined with historic dryness, have led to the formation of an unusually large number of pyrocumulonimbus (pyrCbs) events. PyroCbs are essentially fire-induced thunderstorms. They are triggered by the uplift of ash, smoke, and burning material via super-heated updrafts. As these materials cool, clouds are formed that behave like traditional thunderstorms but without the accompanying precipitation.

PyroCb events provide a pathway for smoke to reach the stratosphere more than 10 miles (16 km) in altitude. Once in the stratosphere, the smoke can travel thousands of miles from its source, affecting atmospheric conditions globally. The effects of those events - whether the smoke provides a net atmospheric cooling or warming, what happens to underlying clouds, etc.) - is currently the subject of intense study.

NASA is tracking the movement of smoke from the Australian fires lofted, via pyroCbs events, more than 9.3 miles (15 kilometers) high. The smoke is having a dramatic impact on New Zealand, causing severe air quality issues across the county and visibly darkening mountaintop snow.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fires/main/

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#36 2020-06-16 16:48:22

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#37 2020-08-01 16:40:40

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