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#51 2019-06-10 20:13:57

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

Terraformer,

It's called "my rules for me and my rules for you".  Democrats think that whatever they do is justified and whatever someone else does that they disagree with has no justification.  If we were honest with ourselves, that sort of thinking is responsible for nearly all of the human death and suffering not related to disease and old age.  It's also something that any psychologist worth his or her salt learns about very early on in their education.  Unfortunately, unreasonable people never think they're being unreasonable at the time.

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#52 2019-06-11 21:11:54

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

Just the same as the laws used for the Rich versus the poor.....One set is written for all....

“Our diversity is our strength; our unity is our power.”

What Nancy Pelosi Wants to Do Before Impeachment

“Public sentiment is everything.”

a premature impeachment that acquits and helps result in the reelection of Trump with a loyal Republican majority in Congress, an expanded Republican majority in state legislatures, and a permanently hyper-conservative judiciary. An impeachment inquiry that results in Trump’s acquittal in the Senate may jeopardize the 31 Democrats in districts where Trump beat Hillary Clinton in 2016. If Democrats lose 18 seats in 2020, they return to the minority just in time for Republicans to try to use gerrymandering to keep them there for a decade.

So making the case for impeachment is the must so as to show others that it should be done.

https://www.businessinsider.com/alexand … nt-2019-6/

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#53 2019-06-12 18:19:53

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The power to subpeona is being challenged as House Panel Votes to Hold Barr, Ross in Contempt of Congress

Census information critical to getting the congressional seat count correct and for the electoral college number of votes as well.
The other was for the unredacted report. With more to come. These will generate lawsuits which will be heard in court with regards to the constitution rights under law to investigate and gather information for the puirpose of sending bills to the president eventually.

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#54 2019-06-15 16:00:21

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

SpaceNut,

If one set of laws applied to everyone, then Hillary Clinton would already be sitting in jail for theft of classified information.

When you take classified information from a classified information management system and transfer that information to any unauthorized device, by any means, reason for so doing entirely irrelevant to the actual crime, you are committing a federal felony that anyone not named Hillary Clinton would be imprisoned for doing.

When you start advocating for Hillary Clinton being indicted for her own criminal activities, then I'll believe that you're actually serious about following the law.  Instead, you've offered up nothing but excuses and deflections about why she did what she did.  It was criminal, plain and simple, and she never would've been permitted to campaign, if she was treated as the criminal she truly is.

There are two standards of justice in America and there always have been.  The politically-connected and wealthy receive one form of reprisal for their criminal behavior and the rest of us receive the more capricious form that rich and poor alike should theoretically receive for any infractions of the law.  The Democrats took it to a new level during former President Obama's administration and now they're whining and crying that President Trump handed them their hat in the last election, which he's likely to do again in the 2020 election since nobody on the Democrat side has even attempted to discuss policy, much less govern.

"Orange man bad" is not a governance policy and doesn't win votes.  It's a shame that the Democrats haven't learned anything from the last election.

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#55 2019-06-15 16:58:29

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From what I remember the stuff found did not have classification and was reclassified once found...
That means the computer software committed the crime of not detecting...not marking the information with the classification as well...
Not to meantion sending something from the government account captures who sent it...which would have sounded some more red flags for a crime....

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#56 2019-06-15 18:10:51

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

Why would anyone interested in the hugely important issue of Mars colonisation be interested in this minor shit which will be all over by 2024 if not before?  Can't believe this site undermines itself in such a pathetic way.


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#57 2019-06-15 18:57:49

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

SpaceNut,

We're not going off of "what you remember".  We're going off of sworn testimony before Congress that was never refuted by anyone not facing an indictment for theft of classified information, who was also, by the way, was determined to have attempted to destroy evidence (and even failed at doing that).  I like the attempt to blame computer software for human behavior, though.  Nobody told Hillary Clinton to use her own private E-Mail server for public business while she was Secretary of State, and certainly nobody ever told her to destroy the property of the federal government of the United States of America.  When you work for the federal government, your E-Mails are not your personal property.  They're federal government property and subject to federal government regulations.

Louis,

I'm trying to convince people here not to vote for these evil socialist / communist cretins who have never delivered anything worthwhile to the rest of humanity and have, in point of irrefutable historical fact, directly caused the deaths of tens of millions of people, many tens of millions more than our favorite evil racist whipping boy, Adolf Hitler, and who have never created any technological advancements that created the conditions that would make colonization of another planet possible to begin with.

Mars colonization is clearly not a hugely important issue, as evidenced by the nearly non-existent tangible support for the idea, through either our government or private industry.  Other governments from around the world have contributed little to nothing to the idea.  It's a special interest group that a very few of us advocate for because we see the enormous potential benefits to everyone else back on Earth through developing the technology required to travel to and live on another planet.  It's long term versus short term thinking.

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#58 2019-06-15 22:15:59

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#59 2019-06-16 16:21:06

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You commit a crime you need to pay for it not be protected because you are in power... Dems eye repeal of Justice rule barring presidential indictments

The informal rule is decades old, but has come under heavy new scrutiny since Robert Mueller cited it explicitly as the reason he declined to recommend - or even consider - bringing obstruction charges against President Trump during the course of his 22-month investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections.
some lawmakers want to press further, eying legislation to nullify the DOJ's long-standing determination that presidents cannot be charged with federal crimes while they remain in office.
"It's fair to say that one of the options we should consider is revisiting that Department of Justice rule so you don't have a rogue and lawless president immunized from criminal prosecution,"

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#60 2019-06-17 19:30:04

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Dems eye Lewandowski, Christie and Manafort as new star witnesses, calling witnesses who never worked in the White House. Russia-related figures who never served in Trump’s administration so no executive priveledge to stop subpeona.

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#61 2019-07-08 19:11:44

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#62 2019-07-18 17:44:11

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Hope Hicks’ testimony gets second look after Cohen document dump

FBI believed Trump was closely involved in hush-money scheme, unsealed documents show

The attorney general, Merrick Garland, is facing more political pressure to move faster and expand the US Department of Justice’s investigation into the January 6 Capitol attack and charge Donald Trump and some of his former top aides.

Trump engaged in a criminal conspiracy in his aggressive drive to thwart Joe Biden’s election win in 2020,  there’s growing evidence of criminal conduct by Trump to obstruct Congress from certifying Biden’s win on January 6 and defraud the government, building a strong case to prove Trump’s corrupt intent – a necessary element to convict him – probably requires more evidence and time.

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#63 2022-04-05 04:41:07

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

They always hated Trump and wanted Jeb Bush

I wonder what the Clownshow Spooks think of this one?

Donald Trump had a rally Georgia, and was joined by several GOP representatives, including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.). When Gaetz spoke, he once again floated the idea of Donald Trump being elected speaker of the House.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m … r-n1585028

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#64 2022-04-12 11:51:06

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

Trump's online channel is banned from doing messages on twitter, his channel banned from youtube, he is banned on facebook, banned from twitter social media and most of the big internet

However he still has his blog and people mirror and re-tweet his vids and statements


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Donald Trump

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One person in Pennsylvania who I will not be endorsing is Bill McSwain for Governor. He was the U.S. Attorney who did absolutely nothing on the massive Election Fraud that took place in Philadelphia and throughout the commonwealth. He said Barr told him not to do anything (because Barr was afraid of being impeached by the Democrats), but he should have done his job anyway. Without free and fair Elections, we don’t have a Country. Do not vote for Bill McSwain, a coward, who let our Country down. He knew what was happening and let it go. It was there for the taking and he failed so badly. Many of the U.S. Attorneys were probably told not to do anything by Barr. Hence, our Country is going to hell.



True the Vote’s findings are determinative and Bill McSwain should be ashamed of himself, as should many Republican leaders who didn’t act. They said Philadelphia and Detroit were two of the most corrupt places in the Country, with Georgia being one of the most corrupt states!
'

45th President of the United States of America

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#65 2022-08-09 11:37:11

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Bernard Kerik says he’s ‘deathly afraid’ Dems may try to assassinate Trump after FBI raid

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/08/09 … d-1271396/

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#66 2022-08-09 13:21:43

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Re: Trump would have been charged with obstruction were he not president,

SpaceNut,

SpaceNut wrote:

You commit a crime you need to pay for it not be protected because you are in power... Dems eye repeal of Justice rule barring presidential indictments

Since it came to light in your "liberal media", a "revelation" to nobody except those of the radical left, that quid-pro-quo Joe Biden took money from his son's business dealings while serving as Vice President under President Obama, does that mean President Biden should be charged with a crime?

Does that mean President Biden should be prosecuted for bragging about meddling in the internal investigations of the Ukrainian government as it relates to the corrupt business practices of Burisma, the company that his son Hunter Biden was working for at that time, and that President Biden should never have been eligible to run for President to begin with?

Does President Biden's criminal activities also mean that the Democrats' first impeachment sham associated with President Trump looking into the incriminating statements made by the then former-Vice President, Joe Biden, was in point of fact the literal dictionary definition of obstruction of justice?

As head of the executive branch, President Trump was America's chief law enforcement officer at that time.

Following this latest ill-advised stunt, more petty harassment of the Democrats' political enemies, abusing the power of the federal government, I have a feeling that some Democrats are likely going to find themselves in legal jeopardy when the Republicans hold power.  The FBI raid on President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago is a rather poor attempt at Watergate II, perpetrated this time by the Democrat President Joe Biden.  I've never seen such a gleeful group of criminal sympathizers on CNN and MSNBC.  I guess Democrat media cretins really love the crimes committed by their political party.

This is a bit like the time your President Obama used the power of the IRS to go after his political enemies.  That failed spectacularly as well.  AG Holder received a subpoena to turn over Fast-and-Furious documents which he obstructed, no different than Steve Bannon, but was never convicted of anything after the Republicans took him to court.  If Democrats didn't have a double-standard, then they'd have no standards at all.

They paid your tax dollars for a safe cracker to open President Trump's safe.  It reportedly contained absolutely nothing.  It was empty.  Your party loves wasting public money attacking their political enemies.  I guess Democrat policies are so abhorrent and the people you vote for so incompetent to lead, that they have no recourse.

Just remember that turnabout is fair play.  The reckoning for the Democrats' blatant criminality is on its way.

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