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#76 2019-01-17 13:15:55

tahanson43206
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Re: Holidays

Today's Twitter feed included a link to a NASA feature:

go.nasa.gov/2FEG02h

That link translated to:
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190117.html

Astronomy Picture of the Day

The scene on offer is from Sweden, and it features a skyscape set against a cabin in a remote location.

This picture inspired the thought that similar views of the night sky on Mars should be spectacular.

No doubt the Moon would be a similarly advantageous location for spectacular photography, beyond the examples already provided by the Apollo expeditions.

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#77 2019-01-17 17:49:04

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Depends on what is working still, new machines being sent and what sort of qualifies for a discovery...

The JPL site has a selector to narrow up what you would like to see
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/

Mission details and more is available
https://mars.nasa.gov/news/

Of course from the top of the page is the http://www.marsnews.com/

http://www.marsdaily.com/

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#78 2019-01-18 21:55:13

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2019/01/18 Today on Mars Post

Per http://www-mars.lmd.jussieu.fr/mars/tim … _time.html

Martian Year: 34        Martian Month in 12 month format: 11
Solar Longitude: 325.9    Sol Number: 606

Previous SL: 325.3        Previous Sol: 605

Note that Solar Longitude measurement varies as a function of location in orbit.

Sol 606 is in Month 22 of a Proposed 24 month calendar.  See Post 19 for a summary.
Month 22 extends from Sol 586 through 613

Candidate names for this month are: Wisdom, Wallaby

Note that the Martian Sol will repeat in this report every 36 (Days or Sols – not sure)

1440 minutes in Terran day / 39 minutes longer on Mars >> 36 and change

The purpose of this series is to try out a concept for a reliable, practical business calendar.

A reliable, practical calendar is helpful for scheduling non-business group activities.

This morning I joined other volunteers for a work session that is scheduled for weeks in advance for regular participants, and as little as a day in advance for last minute help.

It seems likely to me that associations of persons deployed on Mars will likewise schedule volunteer activities to support the community in a variety of ways.

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#79 2019-01-19 18:31:55

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2019/01/19 Today on Mars Post

Per http://www-mars.lmd.jussieu.fr/mars/tim … _time.html

Martian Year: 34        Martian Month in 12 month format: 11
Solar Longitude: 326.4    Sol Number: 607

Previous SL: 325.9        Previous Sol: 606

Note that Solar Longitude measurement varies as a function of location in orbit.

Sol 607 is in Month 22 of a Proposed 24 month calendar.  See Post 19 for a summary.
Month 22 extends from Sol 586 through 613

Candidate names for this month are: Wisdom, Wallaby

Note that the Martian Sol will repeat in this report every 36 (Days or Sols – not sure)

1440 minutes in Terran day / 39 minutes longer on Mars >> 36 and change

The purpose of this series is to try out a concept for a reliable, practical business calendar.

A reliable, practical calendar is helpful for reporting weather trends and forecasts.

While weather on Mars is distinctly different from that on Earth, forecasts will be important for planning, whether of business, government, or social activities.

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#80 2019-01-19 19:52:42

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As much as we use a calendar to keep dates and schedules there are not all that many holidays that are observed but here is a list that contains others.

https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/

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#81 2019-01-20 10:43:52

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SpaceNut ... Your ability to find interesting articles related to a discussion is remarkable every day, but on THIS occasion it is  like a fly fisherman who lands a 42 pound trout in this find!

I am surprised to discover that January 20th is one of the FEW days without a holiday of some kind!

Carrying that thought further ... EVERY day is a birthday, and thus a special day to millions of people, their relatives and friends.

And THAT leads me to the realization that a reliable, understandable calendar will be necessary for recording births and deaths on Mars, marriages and divorces, and other events which are date related for legal purposes.

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SpaceNut wrote:

As much as we use a calendar to keep dates and schedules there are not all that many holidays that are observed but here is a list that contains others.

https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/

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#82 2019-01-20 12:30:12

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2019/06/17 (Earth Date) Title: Today on Mars

SearchTerm:TodayOnMars
SearchTerm:CalendarForMars

Today on Mars:

Per http://www-mars.lmd.jussieu.fr/mars/tim … _time.html

Martian Year: 35        Martian Month in 12 month format: 2
Solar Longitude: 40.7         Sol Number: 84

Previous SL: 40.2        Previous Sol: 83 <<== This is another skip Sol. These occur approximately every 36 Earth days

Note that Solar Longitude measurement varies as a function of location in orbit.

Sol 84 is in Month 3 of a Proposed 24 month calendar. See Post 19 of Holidays topic for a summary.
Month 3 extends from Sol 57 through 84. See post 82 of Holidays topic for current details.
Sol 84 is Saturday in the Proposed calendar for Mars.

The Next New Year on Mars will occur when Solar Longitude reaches 360 degrees.

For current weather on Mars at Insight location, see:
https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/weather/

Per SpaceNut: Here is another web page by NASA containing the latest news releases

https://mars.nasa.gov/news/?page=0&per_ … ope=Latest

All forum members are invited to post significant events for this day.
Events of interest will be ON Mars, or relate to Mars. Examples are launches, landings, discoveries

Month 4 of 24 Quarter 1 of 4

Sunday         85 92  99 106
Monday        86 93 100 107
Tuesday       87 94 101 108
Wednesday  88 95 102 109
Thursday      89 96 103 110
Friday           90 97 104 111
Saturday       91 98 105 112 << 28*4 >> 32+80

Month 3 of 24  Quarter 1 of 4
Sunday        57  64   71   78
Monday       58   65   72  79
Tuesday      59   66   73  80
Wednesday 60   67   74  81
Thursday     61   68   75  82
Friday          62   69   76  83
Saturday      63   70   77  84 << 28*3 >> 24+60

Month 2 of 24:
Sunday        29   36   43    50
Monday       30    37   44   51
Tuesday      31    38   45    52
Wednesday  32    39   46   53
Thursday      33   40    47   54
Friday          34   41     48   55 Skipped last month of quarter except last quarter of the year (668)
Saturday      35   42     49   56

Month 1 of 24:
Sunday        1   8 15 22 
Monday        2  9 16 23
Tuesday       3 10 17 24
Wednesday   4 11 18 25
Thursday      5 12 19 26
Friday          6 13 20 27 Skipped last month of quarter except last quarter of the year (668)
Saturday      7 14 21 28


Month 5 of 24:

Month 6 of 24:

Month 7 of 24:

Month 8 of 24:

Month 9 of 24:

Month 10 of 24:

Month 11 of 24:

Month 12 of 24:


Candidate names for month 1 are: Asimov (biographical) Aquarius (Zodiac) Aries (Zodiac)
Candidate names for month 2 are:  Bradbury and Burroughs; Barsoom (created by Burroughs)

Note that the Martian Sol will repeat in this report every 36 (Days or Sols – not sure)

Repeat occurred on Earth day 2019/02/10   2019/03/20  2019/04/04
Repeat occurred on Earth day 2019/05/11 (Sol 47) The next occurrence ** should ** be (near) 2019/06/15
Repeat occurred on Earth day 2019/06/16 (Sol 83)  The next occurrence ** should** be (near) 2019/07/20

1440 minutes in Terran day / 39 minutes longer on Mars >> 36 and change

The purpose of this series is to try out a concept for a reliable, practical business calendar.

A reliable, practical calendar is essential for a civilization on Mars.

(th)

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#83 2019-01-20 13:26:38

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This thread was started to talk about holidays, not a calendar. I pointed out Christmas as we know it has only existed for a very short time. Christmas is blatantly commercial, an attempt to sell crap that people don't need to fleece them for money. And no, it isn't the birth of Christ, because Christ was born some time in spring. It was originally a celebration of the winter solstice, an attempt to lift spirits so people don't get depressed over the bitter cold, short days, and lack of any green plant life. Saint Nicholas was bishop of Myra, lived 270-343 AD, and gave warm winter clothing and food to the poor, he didn't give toys to anyone. Europe had a celebration of "Father Christmas" in the 16th century, but the character was quite different. North American only started to celebrate Christmas in the 1800s, and "Santa Claus" was an advertising gimmick created in 1931 to sell Coca-Cola. I suppose you could go back to the originals: Roman Saturnalia, Celtic Yule. But the commercial "Christmas" is ridiculously wasteful, with an emphasis on giving expensive toys that Martians will not be able to afford for many generations.

Halloween was created to end "Gate night". Young people committed vandalism, causing massive property damage. Again, it has become excessively offensively commercial. We could talk of the Celtic tradition of Samhain (pronounced saw-win), the original it's based on. But Halloween has become training to teach young people to become door-to-door salesmen. When was the last time anyone saw a door-to-door salesman?

Mars will have it's own holidays. Yes, one problem is calendar based holidays don't fit on a planet with radically different length of year and seasons. That's how this became a calendar discussion.

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#84 2019-01-20 15:30:26

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For RobertDyck ... Thanks for the course correction!  It was clearly needed. (th)

RobertDyck wrote:

This thread was started to talk about holidays, not a calendar.
...
Mars will have it's own holidays. Yes, one problem is calendar based holidays don't fit on a planet with radically different length of year and seasons. That's how this became a calendar discussion.

The daily calendar update was moved to an already existing topic.

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#85 2019-01-20 16:04:58

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As Robert is point out in holidays the history plus its distortion of its means over time have created under commercialism what we now observe are more of a fake than what really happend or what was being done.

As much as we would think, that what we celerbrate is seperate from a calendar we have been the ones which can not live without a date book now.

Which is the information in post 80 links.

I also see that religion also is playing a part in celebrations as well for christmas.

The mars calendar and celebrations there in have yet to be created for State, Federal designations for what they would have for days to behappy about.

Even TAX day is maked as an observable but no one has it as a holiday.

Will mars use a daylight saving shift of time?

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#86 2019-01-20 21:49:26

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I agree that holidays have been quite commercialized here on Earth, and I expect a similar process, if not nearly as intense, to happen on Mars over time as well. That said, holidays in general are a crucial part of a society. I'm not sure if I said this earlier, but I'd expect the solstices and equinoxes to be prime candidates for holidays on Mars. I would rather Mars not use Daylight Savings Time, I think it's a rather needless complication.


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#87 2019-01-27 17:17:08

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The other day I was shopping in a local Dollar Tree store and noticed as I proceeded down the aisle just browsing that the first one has Saint Patties day items, in the next was Valentines day chocolates and in the next was Easter stuff for you to buy. With just as soon we will be into others as soon as one passes by. With the seasons changing and another shelf is yesterdays junk...

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#88 2019-01-28 20:21:46

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I know this topic started out complaining about the commercializing of Earth holidays and went to the future state of mars with would could be...
This forum topic does have a couple of article in explorations to write cover stories to which I think could be done.

1 How would a mars settlement or colony develop a tradition of holidays and how would they relate to Earths?
2 Definitely how would Mars society like to celebrate a new year for Mars?
3 There are several calendars out there as it would seem but it would seem there are no holidays to the structures of them.
4 The contest art and creation of a 2 year calendar by kids all over would be an interesting out come as to what they think mars is.
5 If Mars society would want to celebrate with a mars city or towns there seems to be several to consider even with Marvin the martian and aliens aside or change to celebration format.
6 My final thought would be to look at the holiday and future state of mars commerce once we are there for an article.

Myself I think the change might come from the movie the martian instead of the aliens or marvin the martian for something that we could focus on. It could come from the many rovers, satelites probes and so forth for targeted writing of articles.

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#89 2019-01-28 20:40:39

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Mars celebrations...
Residents of the city of Mars, Pennsylvania, celebrate the Martian New Year with a two-day science, technology, engineering and math festival, ...

Nasa did not seem to mind the aliens
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa … nnsylvania

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF8k9NWaRuw

I think this page has the mayor information
http://marsborough.com/gearing-up-to-pr … r-in-2019/

http://marsnewyear.com/

Seems the school waits until its a bit warmer..
https://www.marsk12.org/apps/events/201 … 079/?id=10
6/1/2019
https://www.marsk12.org/ourpages/auto/2 … 202019.pdf

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#90 2019-01-29 18:25:09

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List of topics which are impacted by time decisions, a desire to stay to create a new home and how it will be safe.

Naming the first city on Mars really is the mark of a calendar of life.

Where that first city might be called Sagan City - what will be there? Which sort of starts us down the path of wanting to do what we do here on Earth but only on Mars as we live and breath.

That brings up how will we start to make First settlements come to be aMars City - Your visionor for how  A City Rises on the Plain as we will see the effects of seasons on those that are there with more longing for home for some. The total picture of how we will get there as a Human Business plus flight plan for mars and why we will be there will come from the means whether this be from a Mars exploration consortium or from Space X to Lead Mars Consortium plan, an agency or partnerships or from a corporate Government method to self fund your ticket there when Elon Musk: ticket to Mars for $500,000. Of course there will be more activity to do beyound science and it could be Mars revenue raising activity or some other entrepreneur - funding ....

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#91 2019-01-29 20:12:25

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A lot of people think of Antartica as being simular to what Mars would be in terms of isolation, not nature ability to grow food in the open, a crazy time schedule for day and night; so for those that have been there how would they handle doing holidays?

Do they have a time schedule clock issue?

How would items made for the holidays on Earth arrive in time to not be yesterdays junk from Mars...

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#92 2019-01-29 22:28:14

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SpaceNut, your mention of Antartica led me to look for write-ups on the bases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen% … le_Station

The information about time is at the very bottom, just before references.  The base uses New Zealand Time, primarily (I gather) because air schedules are scheduled with Christchurch.

The article mentions efforts to grow plants, which may be a luxury there but which would seem (to me at least) essential for a Mars settlement.

I met a gent who spent at least one year serving as an IT specialist in Antarctica.  He is currently working for Redhat, as a consultant. 

He is rarely back in town, due to his travel schedule, but if I ever see him again at a monthly meeting he runs, I'll ask him about how his experiences might inform his projection of what a Mars base might be like.  Most months he asks a local member to fill in for him.

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#93 2019-02-02 09:41:56

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In recognition of Holidays ...

In the United States, today is widely celebrated as Groundhog's Day.  The day has an astronomical origin, since it marks the midpoint of the winter quarter, when the worst of winter weather is likely to be depressing spirits.  I would like to think that the concept of celebrating the equivalent point in the winter quarter of the Mars orbit might become popular, but the nature of the celebration is likely to differ from the terrestrial model.

In the United States, Groundhog's Day is generally celebrated in a spirit of good humor.  There is very little commercial exploitation of the day, although there is certainly a certain amount of self-promotion of various communities.

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#94 2019-02-02 17:27:14

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It is marked with a shadow 6 more weeks or winter snow and cold or a coming of spring early if not seen. Febuary is usually one of the coldest wind chill months for this state of NH.

I think that you are right in that the day for mars will be different from the earthly one but it still will be placed in the winter for mars months.

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#95 2019-02-13 19:37:56

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Update regarding gent who worked in Antarctica ...

The gent who worked in Antarctica was in town for the monthly meeting today (2019/02/13)  He agreed to respond to questions from Forum members, and submitted an application for membership in the forum. 

He reminded me that his experience was ten years ago.  My guess is that not much would have changed.  He did agree that the Antarctica station is a good model for what might be expected on Mars in early years.  He also said that (if I heard correctly) NASA has deployed at least one person to study the Antarctic station for a number of years.

I assume there is a delay for review of applications, since the application did not show up immediately.

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tahanson43206 wrote:

SpaceNut, your mention of Antartica led me to look for write-ups on the bases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen% … le_Station

The information about time is at the very bottom, just before references.  The base uses New Zealand Time, primarily (I gather) because air schedules are scheduled with Christchurch.

The article mentions efforts to grow plants, which may be a luxury there but which would seem (to me at least) essential for a Mars settlement.

I met a gent who spent at least one year serving as an IT specialist in Antarctica.  He is currently working for Redhat, as a consultant. 

He is rarely back in town, due to his travel schedule, but if I ever see him again at a monthly meeting he runs, I'll ask him about how his experiences might inform his projection of what a Mars base might be like.  Most months he asks a local member to fill in for him.

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That sounds good and hope that Antartica information will help to inform us all.

It will be nice to see how the life of a member works to do the science and still enjoys being there.

I had a post to add but have forgotten it for now.

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Today is the Memorial day celebration on Earth with the official day on the calendar holiday is observed on the last Monday of May but will those which go to mars feel the remembrance is warranted on mars still?

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#99 2019-05-27 07:16:17

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For SpaceNut ...

Is it possible Martians may set up an Earth Remembrance Sol?    That way, they could pack all the holidays celebrated on Earth into a single day.

That day might arise naturally from First Landing Sol.

Best wishes to everyone who lost a family member to military service.

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SpaceNut wrote:

Today is the Memorial day celebration on Earth with the official day on the calendar holiday is observed on the last Monday of May but will those which go to mars feel the remembrance is warranted on mars still?

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#100 2019-05-27 14:54:44

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Isn't that an American holiday, not an Earth holiday?

Will they mark Armstice Day? I suppose it depends on who settles Mars. China declared war very late and didn't actually fight in WWI.


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